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Why Sony is winning

An opinion piece from Digitally Downloaded. Quote "So, while I believe (and certainly hope) there’s room for all four vendors to have a slice of the very big gaming pie, I do believe that Sony is poised to capitalise best on the gaming market and that lucrative mindshare."

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darthv724551d ago

its the drug called: playstation

360ICE4551d ago

PlayStation is a brand covering a series of video game consoles created by Sony Computer Entertainment. It's not a drug.

At least according to Wikipedia. I know it's not all that reliable.

gameplayingfool4551d ago

PS3 is my favorite console ive ever owned. It's at least a winner in my book.

MaxXAttaxX4551d ago (Edited 4551d ago )

This^^

You don't need "proof" to let you know some obvious things.
If you're enjoying and getting the most out of your PS3(or other PlayStation systems) then there you go. That's all you need to know.

It's mostly subjective really.

BlackTar1874551d ago

I don't know how ps3 beats out ps2 or even ps1 for that matter. sorry i love PS3 but it imho doesn't stand with the past 2

BlackTar1874551d ago

disagree system should require at least something.

rezzah4551d ago

The advantage the PS3 has over the other 2 is that it can play their games as well.

The only issue is that it doesn't play all.

Still i can play my favorite game on the PS3 (SOTC) which gives me reason to pick PS3 over PS2.

BlackTar1874550d ago (Edited 4550d ago )

Rezzah that has nothing to do with what i said.

PS2 games in genral where better games sorry that is my opnion the GTA's the GOW's the Socoms . Just cause this system can play them is actually quite irrelevant.

PS2 is one of the greatest systems of all times which is heavily documented on opinion pieces all over the web. PS3 is a great system but has not accomplished in terms of games anything close to PS2.

Of course this is all opinion but your comment does not really even go together with my comment.

When ps2 was ut could you pick up a ps3 back then? No of course not no one debating backwards compatibility were comparing merits of one system and that should always be the games that released for its platform and sorry but ps2 games in numbers and overall exp of all of them outweighs ps3 games by a country mile. IMHO

-Alpha4551d ago (Edited 4551d ago )

The article is all over the place, the title is never once proven since all it talks about is the future of Sony.

Since this is an article about the market, I expected to see some objective facts, but all I see are weak predictions and a lot of assumptions. We can at least wait to see MS's plans for next gen or actually wait for next gen to roll out before declaring anyone poised for victory

tiffac0084551d ago (Edited 4551d ago )

Thank you for seeing the same problem that I do with the title. I too think its misleading.

I mean I'm fine with opinions and predictions and all that but with that kind of title... I just don't know if its proper.

gamingdroid4551d ago (Edited 4551d ago )

Yeah, the article is pretty poor and didn't do much "proper" analysis other than citing at best some trends and jumping all over the place.

Bathyj4551d ago

Why do you need objective facts?
Why does the title have to be backed up or proven?

Those are the sort of things I want to see in reviews but I keep getting told reviews are simply OPINIONS.

Now that someone writes and actual OPINION PIECE, (says it right there under the photo) its suddenly the time for some sort of consistancy or integrity? Hard facts to back up predictions and assumptions?

Its an opinion guys. It cant be wrong. Your just supposed to respect it.

PS
I dont know if what he said is bollocks or not, I didnt read it and therefore, I'm not defending it, just seems like theres a bit of a double standard here.

Ryudo4551d ago (Edited 4551d ago )

"Its an opinion guys. It cant be wrong. Your just supposed to respect it."

So if someone hates someone else simply because of there skin colour am supposed to respect that?

Opinions can be wrong and downright misinformed, anyone saying otherwise is a twit. Also why jump to the defence of an "opinion" piece you didn't even read or are you simply jumping to the defence of Sony like usual.

Not that this effects Sony in anyway it's just nonsense written by a halfwit.

-Alpha4551d ago (Edited 4551d ago )

@Bathy

That's a complete red herring. Of course reviews are opinions, the same standard applies in both cases: opinion pieces need to be backed up with reasonable support from the writer.

An opinion can be proven wrong depending on what the person says, just because you have one doesn't mean that it should be respected. I expect opinion pieces to have some form of critical construction, not just a pointless series of statements.

Why does the title need to be proven? Because you can't just slap a title onto something and then not follow through with it. That's known as bait and switch, misleading the reader, not supporting the conclusion, etc. He makes a claim, I expect him to back it up with reasonable premises

In this case, the writer puts a title that is completely flamebait to begin with, and then writes in a way that doesn't even back up his point.

"Sony is Winning" implies Sony is currently "winning", yet that's not what the opinion piece is even about. The opinion piece talks about the future, and how Sony is "poised" to win. On top of that, it's based on assumptions that do not guarantee or even relate to the topic.

Bathyj4551d ago

Thanks for clarifying guys, you said alot of things I think people need to hear.

And just so we dont get any further wires crossed I will NOT being using any sarcasm in this reply.

For starters, no Ryudo, I'm not defending Sony, or the writer. I'm making a point about what everyone keeps telling me about reviews.

About how even the most poorly written (3 paragraph long) reviews with the most inaccurate scores are mearly opinions and that we all just have to accept them, as if that means some guy with a laptop is beyong questioning because he writes for a blog or website.

I'm glad we can all agree that opinions (and therefore by extention, reviews) can be wrong, misinformed or even down right corruptted, and I dont have to agree with it just because they have the privilege of being printed on the internet.

People talk about proof and facts. So if I see a review that I believe is hitseeking in its mediocrity, is it unreasonable to expect some sort of justification or facts to back up shabby treatment of a game, when the vast majority is overwhelmingly positive? I think it is.

I only thing I have to pay to a review like that, is not respect for the review itself, but respect for the writers right to expess it, which I do even if I think its wrong, but then all in turn have to pay me the same respect to my right to express that I think he might be off the mark.

Sorry if this got off topic, it was more a reply to your post then to the article, so I think it has its place in this context.

kaveti66164551d ago (Edited 4551d ago )

Opinions can be wrong.

It's a matter of perspective, is it not?

Someone could say Sony is winning and point out the auspicious future of their upcoming products as evidence.

Another person could say Sony is losing and point out that Sony has lost a lot of marketshare to Nintendo and Microsoft since their last console cycle.

I would say both are wrong because Sony as a company makes many products that are not associated to the Playstation brand or to gaming at all. Like Microsoft and Nintendo, Sony has a diverse portfolio of products, and when a game enthusiast tries to argue that a company is winning based only on game-related products, I conclude that their opinion, or at least how they formed their opinion, is wrong.

Being objective when talking about this topic takes time and research.

People who write opinion pieces just want to get their views out there without making too much of an effort.

rezzah4551d ago

In the eyes of the beholder the opinion is fact, however the one who receive the opinion are left to decide based on perspective, if they see the opinion as fact or false.

What else needs to be said?

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OC_MurphysLaw4551d ago

yeah... not a big supporter of this article. Author says MS is focused on non-gaming alliances...and completely ignores all the Sony moves like the MLB and NFL Direct Ticket deals... or partnerships with Hulu, Netflix. Heck even Sonys PSN website talks about more than just games:

PlayStation®Network is your all-access pass to a world of entertainment. Get games, movies, TV series and community all in one place. PlayStation®Network is full of exclusives like new games, add-ons and video and, best of all, it’s free for everyone.

Yup, sounds very focused on games.

Face it, both MS and Sony are trying to be the all in one box for the living room.

MaxXAttaxX4551d ago

They both do it.

But I think it's the focus that makes a bigger difference.
Microsoft made it a big event at E3 showing off ESPN, for example.

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retro4551d ago

WINNING like Charlie Sheen? ^^

death2smoochie4551d ago

"An opinion piece"

That sums it up.....

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1016d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref5d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde5d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19725d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville5d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21835d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos5d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai6d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref5d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan5d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0074d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19726d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref5d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde5d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19725d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier5d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto5d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21835d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto4d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman5d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts5d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts4d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic4d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel12d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8811d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing11d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS11d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder10d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218310d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.