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Naughty Dog explains why the kill/death ratio stat won’t be in Uncharted 3

Naughty Dog’s Arne Meyer explains why they won’t be displaying the kill/death ratio in any of their online stats in their upcoming title, Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception.

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eak34578d ago

Bold move, I understand why and actually don't have a problem with the reasoning behind it, but in the end more people will be pissed off than not by it. Everyone wants to know how they stack up against other people, people are innately competitive. It's the political correct crap that tries to make you feel bad for being this way.

Laypoof4578d ago

Imagine if call of doody removed that stat too! LMAO

evrfighter4578d ago

That's a blessing in disguise. You ps3 folk better support devs like ND. they are few and far between

DarkTower8054578d ago

I've disagreed on your views before evrfighter, but on this matter you're on the money. The stats only show briefly after the game as well. You can still see them, but only if you want.

I've played the U3 mp for the past few days and for a change, I haven't cared about my kdr. Yes, everyone wants to do good and help your team win, but you shouldn't forget it's the gameplay that makes the game and not stats. They're still there, but the way they're presented they're not the focus like other online shooter's. Great call from ND.

Spenok4578d ago

That was my first thought. I say they should do it. However. And game that has a pure deathmatch or TDM mode, SHOULD track your k/d.

SilentNegotiator4578d ago

"Imagine if call of doody removed that stat too!"

....there would be a lot less camping and people who care ten-fold more about 'not dying' than 'getting kills'

guitarded774578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

Ok... without reading... SO PEOPLE WILL PLAY THE OBJECTIVE???? Did I win? Did I win? That's why I hate one very popular shooter in particular... you're playing capture the flag and everyone thinks it's team deathmatch.

UPDATE: "We're not showing K/DR on any of our online stats - it encourages breaking the spirit of the game. So we're taking a hard line on this to see if it has any effect."

Same thing just more generalized. Good for you Naught Dog... and good for me too :D

Peppino74578d ago

I don't know whether I agree or disagree with this move. I kinda do care a little about my k/d and accuracy %. That being said, I don't camp and I like to see my stats regarding those. I do agree that it will help with camping overall but now I can see people just running around blindly and just throwing grenades because they know if they run out of those things they wont mind dying to replenish ammo. I like running low on stuff and still trying to stay alive with what I have. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. People who worry to much about their stats can ruin others gaming experience but not caring about dying can also hurt.

Dragonopolis4578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

Call of Duty is about soldiers-People paid and trained specifically to kill-so in a war type game kill/death ratio makes sense.

Drake's job really isn't to kill, his career choice often has him dealing with people who do kill. Its the unfortunate part of his career choice and he has learned to cope with it but his personality type is way different from a soldiers.

Please don't make comments about Indiana Jones or comparisons (and I have to break my own rule to explain why). Indy grew up during and through both world wars and we learn in the last movie he did some pretty nasty spy work for the government. Way different from Nathan and they both were in their career choices for vastly different reasons.

Drake's personality type leans more toward avoiding contention whenever possible and out-thinking the enemy in favor of brute force, but will hold his own in a fight if necessary and is smart enough to prepare for the worst.

If the goal is to capture the essence of Drake then it makes sense to pull the Kill/death ratio.

Good Job Naughty Dog... Bold move

Anon19744578d ago

I have no clue what my k/d is in other games. I've never paid any attention. I love playing games, and sure I love to win - but I've never been interested in stat checking to see how I stack up against every other player. Mind you, I never really play deathmatch or even team deathmatch. I've always much more enjoyed objective based team matches - and then it's about your objectives, not about you k/d ratio alone.

Kleptic4578d ago

evrfighter's best comment i've ever read...

no matter what anyone says, a KDR actively effects a majority of player's play styles in a given situation...i've hard mic chat where people won't go for objectives in BF3's beta 'because i already died too much and my kdr sucks'...

I don't know about other competitive players...but i've played enough multiplayer shooters to see what type of behavior is generally getting favorable kdr's...and its nothing to be impressed about...ANYONE can snipe all day, or play defensively (when their team is in an offensive based objective situation)...resulting in them NOT helping their team, and getting a near perfect kdr...sure there are great players that simply are that good, and consistantly get high kdr's while working for and with a team...but in general, the best players aren't afraid of getting off'd just to keep a high kdr...

but people still use a kdr to put other players in a box...low kdr 'you suck'...high kdr 'you're awesome'...

I'm happy ND is doing this, but i hope they are aware of just how many douches are going to flip out...

MaxXAttaxX4578d ago

Now change "Ranks" back to "Levels" and we're all set :)

theonlylolking4578d ago

I wish call of duty would get rid of KDR. In fact I wish every shooter removed that feature.

The only stats every shooter should show is win to loss ratio and score. So then people will be judged on score or win to loss ratio.

HappyGaming4577d ago

Win/Lose/Drop Out ratio!!!
Because its about the objectives and not just the kills!!!

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gamingdroid4578d ago

I kind of like the stat, but don't want the abuse either so kind of like the idea as well.

I think a good middle ground is, the k/d ratio isn't publicly visible. It's great for personal stat tracking, but worthless as a bragging right when it isn't visible.

MaxXAttaxX4578d ago

It's so that people focus on completing objectives instead of treating every game mode as Deathmatch.

gamingdroid4578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

I got that much...

What I meant was, stats are useless for these people unless they can brag about it. Remove the ability (or minimize) to brag then it won't be a focus. Still I want to be able to see my results.

Maybe even only have proper stats for each game mode.

radphil4578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

" Everyone wants to know how they stack up against other people, people are innately competitive"

Is it me, or is it sad that some of those people have to throw around their e-peen to the point that they'll skip a game just because a game doesn't have K/D ratio?

This is in relation to some topics on forums I've seen of people complaining in droves about this move.

The thing is, from the statement in the article, it's true in my experience that people who obsess with K/D tend to break the idea behind a game.

JaredH4578d ago

Well you couldn't see your k/d in Uncharted 2 unless you went on their website so it's not that much of a difference.

homer4578d ago

That is false. You can see it in UC 2 under the leaderboards.

aquamala4578d ago

Don't even know why the ratio is important, is someone going 3-1 in a match better than someone with 12-10? Where is the kills per match or per minute stat?

zero_gamer4578d ago

K/D Ratio is just E-Penis. People abusing the system can kill an online game for others that play it simply for some entertainment. The more games ditch this the better.

Gamer-Z4578d ago

This looks amazing wow those graphics are insane. Im going to be fist fighting out of some tricky situations ^_^

meluvulongtime4577d ago

I think they should have it for deathmatch and that's it. Ppl are still playing objective and plunder like it's deathmatch. In those modes their kills should not even add to over all kills. You got guys just camping on rooftops picking ppl off getting 40-50 kills in a match with no intention of playing it to win.

caperjim4577d ago

My average K/D is usually 1.5 to 3.0 for most games but i actually would like all games to remove the stat from public viewing. There shouldnt be a K/D ratio for objective gametypes. Until it gets removed most will not play games the way they are meant to be played.

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Motorola4578d ago

If only some other games did this....

Burning_Finger4578d ago

Who cares about that crap. I just want to pawn people.. hahah

Jack-DangerousIy4578d ago

Totally... Who doesn't love pawning people.

*facepalm* lol ;)

C0MPUT3R4578d ago

Awesome!
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It = Less camping & more team play. It's now about the W/L ratio.

sashimi4578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

My W/L ratio was like 5.x:1 in uncharted 2 =P team play always win!

kratos1234578d ago

Omg. It's win lose ratio now , that is really a great move . Now people will do those Damn objectives instead of thinking of themselves

meluvulongtime4577d ago

I'm playing in the subway early access and it's not like that. Still too many tools playing objective modes as deathmatch. They need to stop tracking kills period on those modes. Then they'll have nothing to brag about for all their efforts to farm kills on objective modes.

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Analyzing 'Uncharted: Drake’s Deception' – Wait, What is The Game About?

Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception has a lot to live up to as Uncharted 2: Among Thieves is an incredible and near-perfect game.

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Profchaos897d ago

It's about retirement...oh wait

UNCHARTED2FANATIC897d ago (Edited 897d ago )

I cant even say what the point was its easily the worst story in the series. The online was a whole lot of fun though but overall doesn't come even close to 2

porkChop897d ago (Edited 897d ago )

It was a step back for sure. Personally, I thought even the MP was way better in U2. Solid game, glad I played it. I just think they didn't push as hard as they did with U2.

UNCHARTED2FANATIC892d ago

Yes both the online and story was better in 2 no doubt

Flewid638897d ago

The "young Drake" portion was pretty top notch, story-wise. But yeah, everything outside of that I felt was inferior.

DanielEndurance897d ago

Villains were all over the place in this… one second they wanted Drake dead, the next they needed him, then they want him dead again, then they coulda killed him, but poisoned his friend instead, then coulda shot him again, but had brunch with him, then needed him alive, then coulda mowed him down, but decided to kill him by fire and let him escape… Uncharted 2 was way better. 😅😅

slowgamer897d ago

=D Sounds crazy. I don't remember any of that. Played it on ps3 and I remember thinking that why was this game so bashed compared to second one. I liked it.

Chocoburger896d ago (Edited 896d ago )

Another thing that annoyed me about UC3 events was the agent Talbot teleporting around Turkey. It just felt off to me, and made no sense.

Also, for about one third of the game, you go on a wild goose chase to rescue Sully, who wasn't even there to be rescued, and you end up back where you started again. There was simply no pay off for all the events you go through, so it fell flat in that regard as if they couldn't figure out how to make the game longer, so they decided to side-track you to do something with no pay off, hoping you wouldn't notice due to all the incredible action set pieces they made.

Overall though, even with its flaws, I still enjoy the game.

TheEnigma313897d ago

This was actually my least favorite in the series. Didn't have that same impact that part 2 set.

Flewid638897d ago

Uncharted 2 is the pinnacle of the series (to me).

Granted, 4 had the best story in my opinion, but 2 was the overall best game.

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Uncharted 3 Anniversary Retrospective: Shackled By Its Precursor's Legacy

A decade after its release, how does Uncharted 3 fare today? Does its story still work? Was its precursor’s legacy a bedrock or quicksand for its own aspirations?

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SullysCigar898d ago

When arguably the weakest game in the series is still awesome and more fun than most games today, you know you're onto a winner!

coolbeans898d ago

I'd extend "arguably" before awesome too. Many technically demanding scenes were jaw-dropping for the time, but it's tough to ignore the sub-par context propelling the action forward.

SullysCigar898d ago

Tough for you, perhaps, and that's fine. I enjoyed it very much. Perhaps a little less than the others in the series, but then the bar is extremely high.

I remember being blown away by the water and sand tech in U3 for the time too. It certainly was a visual treat!

LucasRuinedChildhood897d ago (Edited 897d ago )

It is very good, but when I originally played Uncharted 3 it was the most disappointed I'd ever been in a video-game because Uncharted 2 was just that good. I enjoyed 3 much more when I replayed it in the Nathan Drake Collection though. I could just enjoy it for what it is and accept that it's not Uncharted 2 - it's not a roller coaster, and it doesn't balance and rotate between action, puzzles, platforming and set-pieces in the same way.

Uncharted 3's gameplay is a bit more compartmentalized and focused on one thing at a time. I'm not surprised the scrapped version of Uncharted 4 was going to have no gunplay for the first half. It's also paced much differently - it takes a long time to get to the notable set-pieces. Uncharted 2 is insane from Nepal onwards which is about an hour into the game. haha.

I did like the introduction of chase sequences, and I love first hour (bar fight, young Drake) and from the airplane sequence onwards but I just think the rest of it just sort of meanders along without as much purpose as 2.

When it comes to the script, you can feel the absence of Neil Druckmann and Josh Scherr (writer on every other console Uncharted game). Drake gets hit in the face, and the game goes on a random side plot for an hour to give you some boat set-pieces. He then washes up on a beach close to where Elena is staying to get you back to the real plot. Drake just says "How convenient" to try make you laugh off how sloppy the plot got.

In retrospect, I'm not sure if Naughty Dog were ready to work on 2 different games at once. 3 clearly had production issues that 1 and 2 didn't have, and Hennig's version of 4 didn't work out. They had to crunch so hard to get the rebooted version done on time that Bruce Straley gave up making video-games.

coolbeans897d ago

I'll give you some props for the extra analysis. I remember Druckmann climbing his way to a writer spot in UC2, but wasn't aware of Josh Scherr. I didn't know that was the reason for Straley's departure either. That's pretty damn rough.

GhostofHorizon897d ago

They had to make some weird choices as far as story went because the actor for Cutter had to bail which left a few holes in the story.

Uncharted is one of my favourite series and while the leap from 2 to 3 was not nearly as big as the leap from 1 to 2, I think it was an amazing experience none the less.

coolbeans897d ago

Graham McTavish's departure wasn't easy, but I don't think that would fix many holes tbh. Because the main issue to consider is the precarious mindset Naughty Dog was operating on: an increased emphasis in set pieces that HAD to go in and worrying about the context later.

Petebloodyonion897d ago

I really liked part 3 ( Among Thieves is still the best in my opinion) My only complaint was the interactions with the villains and how they were a missed opportunity, Linda MacMahon (Marlowe) was an interesting antagonist due to the history with Sully and Nate but it fails basically flat especially with her ending. And I couldn't care about Navaro 2.0.

What I did love and made me care was Cutter, in the short time he was in the game you could feel that the guy was a good treasure hunter for example when he pulled his own notebook with the clues he founds so the team can escape a room.
It was a small touch that add a lot to the character.

Good-Smurf897d ago

Marlowe was played by Rosalind Ayres.

MadLad897d ago (Edited 897d ago )

I have mixed feelings on the series. I still own all of them on the PS3, and the collection for PS4, but I didn't truly "love" any of the games until 4.

They're good games, but they always stumble on some element.
The first is good, but the climbing mechanics weren't exactly fine tuned with the first showing. Not to mention the spongey enemies if you played on anything past normal; but you're then faced with a fairly unchallenging game experience.
The second mostly fixed the climbing, but added in a pretty clumsy stealth mechanic.
Three was just two with a new story.

Four got it right though.
I don't remember once getting annoyed by any mechanic had in the game.

I know that everyone has a soft spot for 2, and 3 is sort of the black sheep of the series; but they did, overall, get progressively better. Which doesn't always happen.

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Ranking the Uncharted Games From Worst to Best

KeenGamer: "Which Uncharted game is the best? Uncharted is widely recognized as one of the most groundbreaking and consistently great franchises in gaming. For both long-time fans and newcomers to this action-adventure classic, here’s a ranking of the franchise’s four main games."

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Kyizen996d ago

UC 2, 4, 3 and 1. Great read and article

ABizzel1995d ago

No Golden Abyss -_-, otherwise I agree with the order.

UC2: Best overall
UC4: Best graphics, best gameplay, best locations, best environements
UC3: Best set pieces IMO (the boat and desert fights will always be amazing)
UC1: A rough Draft of what was to come
UCGA: Basically UC1 on Vita

Levii_92996d ago (Edited 996d ago )

Great list and great article nicely writen and explained. Although for me personaly i would put Drakes Fortune above Drake’s Deception and Uncharted 4 is absolutely my favourite of the franchise and number 1 for me.

Inverno996d ago

U2 is the only game playable on crushing without causing a great amount of frustration. Not to mention just how much influence it had that they redid some of U2s set pieces like the caravan twice, and armored truck chase in U4.

DFresh996d ago (Edited 996d ago )

I'd rate it as the following.

1.) Uncharted 2
(Close to perfection of any game I've played in years. Single Player/Multiplayer/Co Op all amazing.)

2.) Uncharted 3
(On par with UC2 multiplayer/co op wise minus the kickbacks [aka killstreaks]. I really liked the Lawrence of Arabia story.)

3.) Uncharted 4
(Single player is amazing. Multiplayer was meh. Co Op had potential. Absolutely hated the health revive system it slowed down the game way too much. Always preferred the fast pace action of UC2/UC3. Made it way more fun that way. Recoil was too ridiculous that most people in lobbies would only do hip firing, using power weapons and using that OP grappling hook to melee people after dropping them. Nobody wanted to revive anyone.)

4.) Uncharted
(It's the first in the series so it's hard to judge. Though I loved the story.)

NecrumOddBoy996d ago

I agree here but it’s also a series you can play from front to back and truly enjoy. Story-wise, they are all great and flow so well. I wish they threw both Golden Abyss and Lost Legacy on this list. Lost Legacy is the best mechanically in my opinion. You can see it’s stepping stone framework for TLOUS2.

Michiel1989996d ago

uncharted 2 is one of the few games that actually surpassed its pre-release hype.

medman995d ago (Edited 995d ago )

I am a single player gamer...I barely ever touch a multiplayer component. The only exceptions over the years have been the Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, TLOU factions, and the Uncharted 2 multiplayer. The Uncharted 2 multiplayer saw me spend more time playing it than all my other multiplayer experiences over the years combined. That game really was a masterpiece all around.

brando008995d ago

I agree completely, those are all stellar MP experiences, coming from another SP gamer who only occasionally gives MP some time.

Gardenia996d ago

Come to think of it, the step between Uncharted 1 and Uncharted 2 is huge. It goes from the weakest in the series to one of the best games ever made.
I think I'm going to play all of them again soon.

Ninver996d ago

Yeah all of a sudden I've got that Uncharted itch.

Michiel1989996d ago

is multiplayer still up for the remastered trilogy? or did it never have UC2 mp?

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