CS:GO - Doomed on Xbox 360, but Not the PS3

Counter Strike: Global Offensive has just been announced, but how will it fare on the Xbox 360 with Microsoft and their infamous update approval system?

[Bigpappy]

I love predictions. It is another word for 'guess work'.

I did not read the article because the title sounds like a baseless comparison, that only exsist because fanboys fight over the 2 systems.

But don't let me stop yah.

[iamnsuperman]

Well then read the article

[ddurand1]

seriously. if you had read the article you would have seen what a reasonable, well thought out article it was.

it makes alot of sense. its a shame you missed it. but i guess thats what fanboy tunnelvision will do to you.

[Agent_hitman]

The title is interesting, It's obvious that two words are appropriate for this "Bragging Rights"

[gamingdroid]

You do know that the reason why MS puts a restriction on the patch size, frequency and quality is to ensure devs don't ship you a broken game they intend to fix later by using you as a beta tester.

We don't want patches to fix broken games repeatedly or worse patches to fix patches!!!

Yup, it has happened.

[mastiffchild]

@gamingdroid-you ARE having a giraffe, aren't you? Since when did ANY Bethesda game launch this generation on 360(or anywhere else) than wasn't glitchy as all hell and, for many, plain broken pre patches? If what you say is true then just how bad does a game need to be before MS consider it a paid for beta? All it REALLY means is shedloads of LITTLE patches rather than sorting out en masse surely?

Has MS allowed Valbve to have mods imported to L4D1 and 2 on 360 that game would have been comparable to the greatness it is on PC and as PS3 had us cooking over UT3 mods I fail to see the harm in it happening over Live too and PSN more often in future-why ever not? I don;t think MS have to be so heavy handed in trying to get a bit of every DLC pie on Live do they? It wouldn't cost or hurt them and they'd get great PR from, it.

Allow console gamers to cook over PC mods for some games-it can work and hurts nobody.

Fanboyism shouldn't, either, come into this and /MS have a great chance to show Gabe that what he intimated on Sony's stage last year about closed off Live need not always be the case. Prove him wrong and make a lot of curious 360 gamers happy-and , Sony, do more like UT3. Any news of a WiiU CSGO? Mods allowed with friend codes?

OH, I'm guessing what's in the article as it won't load for my phone for some reason. I always wondered why we didn't get to see more mods brought over to console too.

[MrBeatdown]

@gamingdroid

You're saying it like it's a good thing.

It's a pretty poor attempt to prevent the release buggy games. If Microsoft is really that concerned about buggy games, they should approve the games pre-release, not limit the amount of fixes. Prevent the problem, not the solution.

[fr0sty]

gamingdroid, I agree with you that it does put pressure on the devs to get it right the first time, however there are certain instances where it can get in the way. We've heard devs say before how they are limited by how much free DLC they can give away on 360, and that's likley because of this regulation saying they can only have so many patches (free dlc would likely be considered in that category). So, it's a double edged sword.

For instance:

""The Free Roam Pack was originally planned as a free download, but due to the platform networks' restrictions on numbers of free packs we can give away (and our promise to bring you the free Hunting and Trading Outfits Pack"..."

Quoted from R* games.

[badz149]

"You do know that the reason why MS puts a restriction on the patch size, frequency and quality is to ensure devs don't ship you a broken game they intend to fix later by using you as a beta tester."

WHAT A LOT OF CRAP!

[Aggesan]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Steam support which the ps3 probably will have and the 360 won't. That's another major reason to favour the ps3 version over the 360.

[bayport]

Is he suggesting that SONY doesn't have a stupid QA process like Microsoft?

Well he's wrong.....PS3 exclusives have to deal with the same bullcrap. It's just how consoles are.

[goflyakite]

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!

[gamingdroid]

@mastiffchild

***If what you say is true then just how bad does a game need to be before MS consider it a paid for beta? All it REALLY means is shedloads of LITTLE patches rather than sorting out en masse surely?***

Obviously it doesn't prevent buggy games, but it certainly makes you think twice about shipping a buggy game you have limited ability to fix.

@MrBeatdown

***If Microsoft is really that concerned about buggy games, they should approve the games pre-release, not limit the amount of fixes. Prevent the problem, not the solution.***

Obviously MS testing their third party games aren't realistic. However, if you read developers report they all speak very highly and how rigorous of MS testing methods and certification process.

@fr0sty

***gamingdroid, I agree with you that it does put pressure on the devs to get it right the first time, however there are certain instances where it can get in the way.***

Thank you for being neutral. You are right, it can swing the other way as it has in many instances. Absolute rules are rarely if ever perfect. All I'm saying is with the bad, comes the good.

***Quoted from R* games.***

Why not just add everything into one pack? Which is what R* did.

Also, although it seems reasonable to guess MS since they have a history of being more strict, it was never specified in the original source, which is R* press release. It simply said "platform networks restrictions"... it could have been another platform.

source: http://www.rockstargames.co...

I certainly don't want gazillion patches to a broken game, that said I have seen far too many patches on many games on Xbox 360... so it seems MS is more liberal with some titles than others.

[MrBeatdown]

@gamingdroid

"Obviously MS testing their third party games aren't realistic. However, if you read developers report they all speak very highly and how rigorous of MS testing methods and certification process."

But is it any more realistic to expect that a developer's QA could find and squash every bug and glitch that millions of users could potentially find over a period of months?

Fact is, hindering solutions (the number of patches and free DLC packs) does not solve problems. Sony, as far as I know, puts no limits on patches, yet PS3 games aren't any worse off than 360 games.

If lazy devs releasing buggy games really was a problem, those devs should be held accountable, rather than restricted to how much, and how often, they can fix their game. If Microsoft was really serious about it, and knew a dev's previous game was unusually buggy, they'd bar that developer from releasing their next game on 360 without proving there was significant improvement in their QA.

And, it wasn't directed at me, but you said... "Why not just add everything into one pack? Which is what R* did."

There's a simple answer to that. Because then it can limit the free content to paying customers. Rockstar was forced to bundle free content with a paid expansion, which essentially defeated the purpose of free DLC. You can't tell me that is in any way good for the gamer.

Limits on patches just aren't a good thing. RDR and Team Fortress shows it's a hindrance to devs trying to enhance an already great experience. Fallout: NV and a slew of multiplayer games show it isn't a deterrent or an effective preventative means to keep bugs to a minimum. And PS3 games prove it isn't necessary to keep devs from releasing shotty games.

And worst of all, if a dev is limited in the number of patches they can issue, they will use them sparingly. They can't issue immediate, small fixes because they need to hold off until they can squash a number of bugs. That just means players have to deal with bugs longer, as a dev waits until releasing a patch is worthwhile.

[gypsygib]

@gamingdroid:

Just as many or more 360 games ship with bugs, Crysis 2 for example has a horrible grain bug that Crytek won't fix - probably because it will cost them money to release the patch!

[evrfighter]

As much as I hate ps3 fanboys and enjoy it when they nerdrage. Gabe is singlehandedly changing the way we game. If there were one developer that led the way this gen it would be him.

In this case the ps3 will have the full support of Valve. That much is confirmed. The only way It'll work on 360 is if Gabe can get M$ to pry the lid off their closed sytem they have now. If he does that he deserves a statue.

But for some reason I don't see cs doing too well on 360 to begin with. I see 360 gamers as gamers that need their aim bots. They probably couldn't handle the amount of skill that's involved with cs anyway.

[PirateThom]

Microsoft's patch size restriction has nothing to do with QA, it's to do with the fact they have consoles that either lack a HDD entirely or have very limited space.

The patch size limit is just another problem caused by Microsoft's lack of foresight.

[Karum]

Yeah no need for all those patches to fix game breaking bugs and glitches in every COD game that gets released every year.

Basically anyone that plays those games online is an ongoing beta tester.

[OhMyGandhi]

Although Bigpappy sounds rather paranoid in his assumption of a flamebait article, I must admit that the title sounds more biased then it actually is.

great read though!

[pixelsword]

@ gamingdroid:

Nice try.

[meetajhu]

dude read the article first. It clearly states Microsoft restriction to allow frequent updates otherwise it will end up being like a broken game like Black Ops or cods. None of the games are 100% perfect even with 10 patches.

[gamingdroid]

You do know that the reason why MS puts a restriction on the patch size, frequency and quality is to ensure devs don't ship you a broken game they intend to fix later by using you as a beta tester.

We don't want patches to fix broken games repeatedly or worse patches to fix patches!!!

Yup, it has happened.

[limewax]

Lol you sure it isn't because after an update is of a certain size, or contains too many free gifts, MS charge you for it? Since, y'know....It's happened in the past

[miDnIghtEr]

But COD Black Ops isn't broken. Maybe on the PS3, but why would you play it on PSN? I've never seen crazy glitches and bugs while playing Black Ops and they hot fix the game all the time.

Counter Strike was doomed ever since it was announced as an Xbox Live arcade game... make it a real game. Not an arcade game.

[TKCMuzzer]

Surely your using 'guess work' in your comment if you have not read the article.

[TheXgamerLive]

myself and the "inteligent" owners of an XBOX 360 would like the system to stay closed like it is now and has always been.
why?
It's arguably the best gaming system there is, much much better than ps3 and pc.
The Xbox LIVE feature is closed and will not go down for months like ps3/psn and pc has no organization for online and always always always has bugs errors etc... and rarely plays a game smoothly.

This is hands down a no brainer and will make more sence to those that appose it in the next couple of years with the next X gaming system.

[KratosGod3]

@XGamer
Your comment is a joke, Right???

[TheXgamerLive]

You mean like you and your bubbles are?

[wicko]

You got the "inteligent" part right, that's for sure.

[radphil]

"It's arguably the best gaming system there is, much much better than ps3 and pc. "

I stopped caring at that this point with what the guy said.

It really baffles me how deluded people are saying a static hardware system is better than a constant updated hardware system. I'm talking about him saying a 360 being better than a PC.

Seriously. I showed that statement to other programming co-workers, and they just laughed.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

lol

[radphil]

Wow....people think a 360 can outdo a top-of-the-line PC?

Glad to know people on this site don't work with technology then.

Either that or it's the same person using 6 accounts to troll.

[Quartx]

People are getting out of hand with the mass disagrees now.

[Vip3r]

"pc has no organization for online and always always always has bugs errors etc... and rarely plays a game smoothly. "

Tranlsation: Herp derp derp derp herp.

Steam, for example is far and away better than XBL. PCs have, are and always will be the better gaming platorm.

[Imalwaysright]

The fanboyism is strong on this one. Overall the PC is by FAR the best gaming system and the reason being FREEDOM. Freedom software and hardware wise. Mods alone kill the 360 let alone that with a € 500 PC i get a machine that runs circles around it. Even Kinect is somewhat worthy on the PC because of mods.

[Bonobo12345]

"myself and the "inteligent" owners of an XBOX 360"

LOLZ If that was unintentional its the funniest thing I've read all week.

[The_Con-Sept]

XGamer obviously has never owned an XBOX 360 since launch, has never played a real PC multiplayer shooter game, and will never own a PS3. Why? because he is closed minded. Like the Xbox 360.

[theflyindutchman]

funny how u call this article guess work.
u have your opinion ready without reading it, thats guess work.
it's obvious he did his homework on this one.

[Solid_Snake-]

microsoft dont wanna charge for bug fixing updates just content updates.

360 is the console of choice for FPS games. 360 has a better FPS controller. multiplat games sell better on the 360 so why would valve have an issue with CS:GO on xbox.

just another sad day on N4G.

PC FTW.

[M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L]

It isn't unusual for Bigpappy to miss the point of an article and jump to defend the 360 guys.

Guess he's not the only one.

[vishant101]

i believe it will do better on the 360 than the ps3 as the 360 user base has always shown more support for the fps genre i.e cod battlefield, ghost recon.

[Drjft]

Even with the heinous update process?

Thanks for your feedback :)

[Hitman0769]

At least Sony allows updates to come from the devs without making them jump thru hoops and charge money for DLCs they wanted to give for free.

@Bigpappy the fact you're passing judgement on an article and proudly proclaiming "I did not read the article" speaks for itself. You seem to always be judgmental and moody though maybe the problem is your self.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Also PS3 has already proved to work with mods and Steam.

I'm not saying 360 can't do it, because it probably could if MS would allow it, but that's the concern in this article, MS allowing Counter Strike to be Counter Strike.

[ClimateKaren]

He said he believes it will DO better. Portal 2 sold better on the 360 than PS3 & PC, so there is no reason to think this won't.

The PS3 will without a doubt (unless MS becomes a little more flexible with their XBL policies) have access to more features, assuming there is Steam connectivity as with P2, but that has nothing to do with how well the game will sell. Better ≠ do better

[wenaldy]

COD on PS3 and X360 both have shown almost neck to neck saleswise..so what's your point?

[Asgaro]

Why the disagrees?!

He is right: PS3 has nearly catched up to Xbox 360, knowing PS3 released A YEAR later.
Applause for Sony.

[The_Con-Sept]

Exactly. I find it funny how each Call of Duty has only a difference of 1 or 2 million between all three formats. Not 20 to 50 million.

[Motorola]

If PS3 has cross platform play, then I think the PS3 will do better.

[Micro_Sony]

Cross platform play would be a bad idea because the PC gamers would have an advantage with the mouse and keyboard over the PS3 gamers with controllers.

Edit: Yeah but then Valve would have to implement some sort of match making system that puts people with mouse against each other and people with controllers against each other which will cause the community to be divided - plus you will always have those cheaters that will find some way of exploiting this.

Unreal Tournament 3 was the only game I remember having mouse and keyboard support and it worked well - not sure why more PS3 gamers dont prefer the mouse over the controller when it comes to playing FPS on the PS3.

[Motorola]

Yeah but if it was optional, then it would be better. And PS3 ALREADY has Steamworks

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

PS3 also works with almost any USB or Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, it's up to the developer to implement. If they (or anyone else in the future) really consider cross platform play between PS3 and PC I think it's a must and would be a shame not to support it.

[trancefreak]

@ Vishant we are talking the frequencies of the game being updated, not how many players will be supporting it lol

[Inside_out]

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Why would you let anybody have free access to your network. If you have some patch, it has to go through M$ first...it's their system and their rules..is Steam any different...Karma is a bitch...keep reading...

If memory serves correct, isn't this the same problem that Valve is having with EA...O_o.

Valve is very,very sneaky. They abandoned the xbox 360 TF2 fans claiming they didn't want to charge gamers...how nobel, but why didn't they let the gamers decide if they wanted to pay or not.

Look, I've defended Valve against EA's criminal activity against valve but what Valve did to the TF2 xbl community wasn't right and I feel they are using xbl and PSN as gateways to pull in more gamers on PC and Steam. TF2 is still played around here regularly and I think Valve owes the XBL TF2 fans an apology. Let them decide if they want to buy the map packs or whatever else they put out, if they paid for XBL, then a couple dollars more is not the end of the world....I would buy it in a second because the game is worthy.

Counterstrike came out on XBox 1 and I expect to see it on 360. 23o++ patches is ridiculous for ONE game...O_o...get it right the first time will ya or at least the tenth or twentieth. :/

[Rivitur]

You have a point the TF2 XBL got screw by the process then Valve sugar coated the situation by saying "M$" was at fault. Knowing that their game was incomplete and needed work that could have been updated during beta testing. Still play it on 360 n pc though <:O

[ImpliedDeception]

TF2 on the 360 was never broken, but having played the PC version for almost 4 years now, I've seen a number of updates that tweak the engine for new graphics/optimizations (All that would probably have translated nicely to the not-too-dissimilar 360 architecture) not to mention tons of fan-requested features.

They constantly monitor how players are playing the game to tweak it, in the interest of fairness and balancing the game. http://steampowered.com/sta... (it hasn't been updated in a bit, but it gives you an idea of what they're doing)

I'd be curious if Valve can monitor the 360 players at all, or if Microsoft restricts that... It sucks that the 360 players feel abandoned, it's an awesome game... but, I can understand not wanting to package updates for a platform that you're not making any money from, on a game platform that you probably can't even monitor to see how effective the changes you're making are...

[The_Con-Sept]

Sorry but if you look at how updated the games on Steam are vs the 360... I'm sorry why am I writing this again? Oh yeah because Common Sense is knocking on Inside_out's door but he has become a shut in closed minded gamer.

Sorry but the simple fact is that TF2 has much more support on the PC than the 360. You pay 60 dollars a month to become a closed minded gamer. When will you open your door to the real world?

Same goes to you Microsoft. Looks like NO platform is easy to develop for.

[Theo1130]

It's doomed on both, who the hell wants to play a game that requires extreme precision with a controller...

[Micro_Sony]

Bubbles - This game is made for the mouse and keyboard and the developers will have to do some serious tweaking and modification to get it playable on consoles.

Twitch shooter do not work well on consoles FACT.

[Hicken]

And, you know, you can't just plug in a mouse and keyboard, like one of my friends does on his PS3.

Oh, wait...

[olLANDSHARKlo]

Hicken, why are you not playing your great exclusives, you have been on n4g for 2 days straight now, does this console war really bother you that much fanboy. I looked at the times of your post, when are you sleeping? Your sitting on here all day, worried about what people are saying about a videogame console. Are you poor and can't afford both systems? Or are you just a little kid that mommy and daddy got you the console that your friends didn't have, so you have to go on forums and say it's the greatest. You are a weird dude.

[Bonobo12345]

@PHIBALNATION

LOL yo attack him for being a fanboy, when your just as bad. Looking through your messages it's apparent your an xbot with nothing better to do than come on here to trash the systems you don't like.

what a hypocrite...

[Hicken]

I'm on n4g every day. I work at GameStop, so I try to keep on top of gaming.

As a writer, I spend a lot of time on my computer; even when I should be working on a story, the temptation to go online is always there.

And, actually, my friends got me a PS3 as a birthday present a few years back. Friends who all also have a PS3, by the way, and most of whom have owned at least ONE 360.

Since you've gone through the arduous trouble of actually messaging me on PSN about my playing preferences, you should be able to see the large number of exclusives I've played, from inFamous to Uncharted to Little Big Planet to Gran Turismo.

But I don't spend all my gaming time on my PS3; I spend much of my time on my PS2, where I'm catching up on the 30+ rpgs I have yet to beat. You know what those are, don't you? Games that usually require upwards of 40 hours to complete. There are also a few PS1 games I own that I haven't beaten- as well as ones I like to go back and play on a regular basis, and a crap-load of NES and SNES games I still revisit.
Did I also mention that I draw? Whoops. I'm not too skilled, but I also draw a random little comic I've maintained since 2003, as well as various pieces of artwork for the stories I write (mostly swords; if you like, I can send you scans of some of them).

Oh, I'm also working with a few friends to develop our own game. We're making it with the intention of it being a Final Fantasy, but I've made sure to allow so that it could be changed to eliminate any mention of Square-Enix's flagship franchise.

I'm also a bit of a music nut; though I don't sing or play as much as I used to, I periodically write piano accompaniment(difficult to do, because I've never been good at reading music; as is pretty common in my family, I play by ear), and sometimes write a song or rap.

I spend a good deal of time reading, too. Right now, I'm out of books, but come this next paycheck, I'll be picking up A Dance with Dragons (part of the series that spawned the awesome HBO show Game of Thrones) and Chapterhouse: Dune (if you don't know Frank Herbert's Dune, I feel sorry for you), and I'm thinking of picking up Fool's Fate (book 3 of Robin Hobb's The Tawny Man trilogy) and Ringworld Engineers. And, now that I'm on the subject, I may try and find the other Mission Earth books (by L Ron Hubbard, the scientology guy) since I only read book 4. Kim Stanley Robinson Mars books are critically acclaimed, so maybe I'll grab one of those; The Years of Rice and Salt was a really awesome book. My favorite author, Jane Lindskold, seems to be doing ebooks and short stories at the moment, but I'll read anything she pens. Anne Rice also has a new series. I bought my mom the first book, but maybe I should buy a copy for myself, too...

There are also a few comics I collect, too. Specifically the Warlands, Witchblade, Fathom, and Soulfire(you might be able to tell I'm a Michael Turner fan).

Anime and manga are very big interests of mine; I've watched about 11,600 episodes and movies, and read close to 13,000 chapters.

When I'm not doing ANY of that stuff, I'm either sleeping, eating, working, or hanging out with friends.

But yeah, I guess I DO spend all my time here on N4G, never playing all my PS3 exclusives. Can't imagine why I'd be doing anything else.

[Theo1130]

For Those of you disagreeing, explain how it could work aside from unlimited re spawns and Aim Assist that automatically goes straight for the head.

[Persistantthug]

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[Asgaro]

@ Persistantthug:

You are kidding me right?
Shadowrun was a game where PC and Xbox 360 gamers could play against each other online.

Xbox 360 gamers got mowed down :D
It was so bad MS never made a game with that concept again, although the technology is all there and ready.

[MrDead]

Should make it a move game for the PS3 its fast and very precise, you just need a steady hand

Also they could add mouse and keyboard support

[Theo1130]

If one person in the server has a mouse and keyboard, it'll completely break the game. Also, not everyone will be using M+KB, so it's kind of impossible to implement.

[theonlylolking]

I still dont get why they dont add mouse and keyboard support. It is not as unfair as PC fanboys try to make you believe.

CS:GO is not doomed on the xbox 360 but it wont be as good as the PC or PS3 version.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

People keep saying that believing they are oh so good with mouse and keyboard but you know what? I keep playing on PC with a controller (I'm a couch potato and can't really botter to hook a mouse to the notebook) and quite frankly I don't feel at any disadvantage there. Just like I have played online with people using both Move and Dual Shock and it's no big deal. Someone kills you in the game it wasn't because of the 0.02 miliseconds of faster reaction of the better controller, it was because he was better than you, unless the game itself is flawed and one of the option don't work properly.

[metsgaming]

There can always be a keyboard and mouse only server/mode.

[MrDead]

@Theo1130

They might be able to make controller or keyboard mouse only matches as controllers and peripherals are assigned numbers on the PS3 1-4 are for control pads and numbers 5 up are for other things, I think my remote is number 7. The PS3 always knows what controls your using so maybe they could lock you out of matches that are using a different control method to you

[radphil]

"
theonlylolking
I still dont get why they dont add mouse and keyboard support. It is not as unfair as PC fanboys try to make you believe. "

This isn't PC fanboyism talking, but if you played Shadowrun cross platformed, you'd be singing a different tune.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@radphil

I don't disagree with you, but as I said, if one of the controller options don't work properly it's a flaw of the game, not the controller itself.

Look at it the other way. There's plenty of K/M adapters for both PS3 and 360 so you can use it with any game, but try one and you'll see that K/M will be a disadvantage on a game which wasn't properly designed to use it.

On a game designed to suport both methods I would hardly see a disadvantage on either method, and this comes from someone who used to play PC shooters with K/M daily for almost 3 years not so long ago. A better player, who thinks before shooting, who uses teamwork, who took the time to learn the map design and to get used to his weapon of choice will always be a good oponent, despite the controller he uses.

[metsgaming]

We should be telling valve to include the very rare feature that the ps3 can do called mouse and keyboard support. Its rarely used and this is a perfect game to use it on then there will be no problem. We need to tell valve to do it and then cross platform competitive play can work well. Btw i doubt it but i hope that they could put mods onthe ps3 version like surf? Theo this is how it can work with this feature then it can wipe the 360 version outof the water

[Pandamobile]

Lol at the console guys that think they'd stand a chance against someone with a mouse on Counter-Strike.

[M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L]

Hicken, you just OWNED him. I should shake your hand right now.

[Agent_hitman]

Here they come!!!!!... I'll hide

[Cpt_kitten]

i don't care, im buying it, im going to play it, and i am going to love it as i did the first one

i think im more excited to here the call of duty kids cry like they do with every awesome FPS game that isn't call of duty, that goes for reviewers too, this game will get a load of crap from reviewers because its not call of duty like they do with every other FPS game

[stonecold3]

click main page it say doom would fail on xbox but not ps3

[KingSlayer]

I can see this performing fine on both platforms. Simply b/c the PS3 has more variety (imo), people forget Black Ops sold a shit ton on PS3...basically, FPSs do fine on PS3. I look forward to what Steam features the PS3 will utilize.

[Jdub895O]

i really hope this is on the wii.

[Criminal]

I highly doubt that, so don't have your hopes up.

[StayStatic]

Could this mean mouse and keyboard support for the ps3 version and not the 360, i would cry with laughter.

Come on M$ time to open up your doors to the devs.

[WhiteLightning]

I know a lot of people who love FPS, a few of them have a PS3....now even though they know that Steam integration could play a big and useful role in CS:GO for the PS3, they would still get it for the 360 because the "majority" of people in that social group will get it for the 360.

Point is people will go with there friends are at, there is a bigger COD/FPS crowd for the 360 so it might end up doing better on live since most FPS social crowds will stick to playing those games on the 360 BUT you can't deny that with Steam integration CS:GO will have much better support making that version better (in terms of deciding which console to buy it on)

[josephayal]

The PS3 Is like a $4,000 gaming PC, just for $299

[caboose32]

Except not at all.

[cstyle]

not even close...lol

[solar]

maybe a $4000 PC in 1996

[abczby]

Congratulations.

[TheOtherTheoG]

Well, my £400 PC can completely trash the hell out of PS3 hardware, so that's just, well, wrong. The PS3 is equivalent to about an £800 PC from 2005, not even close.

[Jdub895O]

if there is mouse and keyboard support then yes, Xbox is doomed.

[malol]

if there is x-platform game play like in portal 2
i got to say that's a big plus to this game on the PS3

[BeastlyRig]

"Throughout its lifespan, the Xbox 360 version of Team Fortress 2 received only four patches, a water drop in the ocean compared to the 237 patches that both the PC and Mac OS have been exposed to. Why is this? Simply because of the restrictions that Microsoft imposes upon developers."

yeah 360 is doomed indeed!

I am sure Valve will update the game hundreds of times.

[jack who]

Counter Strike on xbox 1 says hi

[XboxInnovation]

Damn, MS just got owned in that article.

[abczby]

The example you use is awful. Team Fortress 2 for PS3 couldn't even hold a steady frame-rate, so whether or not it had 5 updates and Xbox 360's version only had 4, it didn't matter. GTFO PS3 Fanboy.

[princeofthabay]

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

[ImpliedDeception]

Except Valve had nothing to do with TF2 on the PS3, it was a port done by EA. I believe the comparison is being made, with the assumption that you are aware of current events... Steam integration being available on the PS3 and still not the 360.

Either princeofthebay is right about you not knowing what you're talking about, or you live in 2007.

[THC CELL]

Valve/EA admitted they struggled with ps3 at first,
I wonder why they are supporting the ps3 now with portal
Hmmmm What looked much better on ps3 by the way.

Valve likes the ps3 more than ur pea brain thinks.. wheres the steam on xbox where cross platform games with xbox and pc and dont give me old games i mean today.
If it was not for xbox we ps3 gamers would get a much better online battlefield 3 game. Think i am kidding yea MAG says hi. It can be done with ps3 and peoples brains are so full of ms cum they are giving birth to bill gates kids out of every orifice in there head

[sGIBMBR]

ROFL, have you actually heard what you're saying? You're an embarrassment to gaming and yourself!

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Well I suppose this is reasonable. But I really wonder if it was a good idea for Counter-Strike to on consoles...I mean a majority of people on consoles will just pass on CS and play CoD. On PC its totally different.

[Brownghost]

who cares i dont care about your opinion everyone on xbox will get cod and forget about it me i will be getting this on steam for a great experience this type of game was meant for pc anyway

[tickticktick]

Doomed? LOL yet it will be more popular on Live and sell more just like everything else. Xbox owners who love Live will gobble this up 2 to 1 over PS3.

[kamakaz3md]

and sadly they will never realize that the ps3 is far more superior when it comes to being a true gamers system... everyone as well as your self just keeps riding and that bandwagon with all the 10 year olds that play call of duty.

[annus]

Replace PS3 with PC and you can go one step further.

[Brownghost]

who cares the ps3 is already outdated anyway the psn sucks as well also exclusives doesnt make a gamer

[FlyShootRaceSims]

@ Kamakaz3md, please define a true gamer and true gamer system? I'm curious to know. School me, would you please?

[kamakaz3md]

who cares, screw counter strike...

[Brownghost]

have fun with cod :)

[DFresh]

Counter Strike is going to fail on both consoles.
Going to be the best on PC as expected.
:)

[KonaBro]

The Xbox fanboys are in a tizzy! Keep spinning boys! It doesn't stop the fact that historically Microsoft ha a notorious reputation for making life hell for developers trying to get patches and whatnot into their released games. Hell, even for the last few months we've been getting articles with different developers talking about how much of a pain in the ass it is dealing with Microsoft especially for indie games. Stop trying to act as if Microsoft can do no wrong and that Xbox Live is a perfect system because honestly, it isn't.

[qwertyz]

and sony has a history of making game development hell for developers all sonys home consoles have always been difficult to code for so whats you're point? all consoles and their companies FAIL. pc reigns SUPREME. pc ftw

[palaeomerus]

I don't really care about Counter Strike anymore. Hell I didn't much care about CS Source in 2004.

[FlashXIII]

Really? who cares about the console versions? CS is, has and always will be best played on a pc.

[AO1JMM]

Counterstrike will not do good on any console. The fanbase is on PC anyways.

[Dr Face Doctor]

But what about the Title Managed Storage, which particularly for Xbox Live allows for a maximum of 10mb of file storage that can either be used to add new content or to contain editable balance tweak files that are checked against the game content. I know Super Meat Boy and Monday Night Combat. It's not much but it's more than enough for some text files that dictate weapon variables.

[xtremegamerage]

Cs has always been overrated imo.

Still a good game, just like HL2.

[Cpt_kitten]

lol yeah so over rated thats why we get a new CS everysingle year......oh wait thats call of duty

we havent seen a new CS since Source so sit back and see what a real FPS is

[FlyShootRaceSims]

I love both my HD consoles but this is crazy; CS must stay on PC! Besides, who'd wanna play this w/ a controller anyway?

Someone in here said there's no difference between a mouse/keyboard and a console controller, lol. A mouse' accelaration is stupidly insane with uncanny up to the pixel accuracy, no sloppy deadzone, shorter throw with the fire button, etc.

If it's coming to consoles anyways, I'd agree that the PS3 version will be the more polished version than the Xbox one as the article explained. IMO, as far as which version is going to be more successfull....the 360 one for sure! Why? Historically, multi FPS games has GENERALLY faired better on the 360. It's a fact, please don't even try to argue.

[Dark_king]

FPS games are about equal on both systems now.
He didn't say controller was better then M&K just that he doesn't feel at a disadvantage using a controller on his PC.
Now they should do like Unreal 3 and allow M&K.They let players chose who they wanted to play against.

[FlyShootRaceSims]

Oh, thanks for clearing up what he said. I completely misread him I guess.

Yeah I agree they should implement m&k for CS PS3. It's too bad the 360 doesn't support the m&k; I play most of my FPS games on it. I'm just more comfortable with the Xbox controller. The DS somehow give me this terrible cramps on my hands, lol.

I'll be playing it on my PC though. Oh boy, it's gonna bring back a lot of memories. I remember when my friends and I would play this at my local Internet cafe everyday of the week with little to no breaks. Aahh, those were the days!

[Dark_king]

Np,I can play just fine with either though I honestly prefer to use a analog over the keyboard for directional controls and a mouse for my aiming.Been thinking about using the moves nav controller with my mouse best of both words.

[RedDead2067]

I wonder if the console versions will have auto/assist aim. We console players need that.

[G-Ham]

I wouldnt use the word doomed, You're argument against xbox versions of COD arent really true considering playstation was the console black ops didnt work online.

[peeps]

Probably true, especially with portal 2 having had integrated steam support and cross platform play.

And although I believe the ps3 version will be easier to update should they choose, Sony does still have a certification process which is why certain titles or updates have receieved considerable delays on ps3 (Blacklight Tango down was delayed due to Sony's certification process). So I doubt we'd ever see them roll out new updates 'in days'.

Value can do this with Counterstrike because it's their game on steam...

Anyway there are more worrying things for me regarding this game, I'm just not sure how counterstrikes gamesplay would translate into analogue stick controls. Say what you like about the argument of analogue v mouse but theres no denying mouse offers more precision and CS has always been a game about quick precise movements. The console version will no doubt have to have aim assist to some degree to provide smoother aiming and I think this will take away from what CS is about.

Also a friend who still plays counterstrike regularly told me the buzz around the community from people who got to playtest the game weren't too impressed. It sounded like there were some questionable editions to CS

[iistuii]

I remember those days, but sorry I've done with that years ago. People are always complaining on here about games like MW etc being all the same, and then want to play a game that's years old and hasn't really changed at all over the years. I enjoyed it all those years ago, but doubt I'd play it again, especially with a controller... My opinion that's all...

[Raven_Nomad]

Fight, fight, fight, fight!

It's a FPS, Xbox 360 is the superior FPS console. Although it plays tons of other great games as well. Updates wont matter, the 360 and the PS3 version will both get the same amount of updates.

[nalamcpants]

that was the worst pile of crap junk that i have ever read in my life. i thought he would say something like "o xbox version has only 5 ppl per game or something devastating not a bunch of made up bullshit to try to get your theory across. PC's have a patch every week....ok and thats b/c the dev's and coders cannot get it rite the 1st time. so what you are saying is because of how many updates PC/mac do vs xbox it wont last on xbox.... and you showed no numbers for PS3 downloads btw........either way this article is pure garbage written by a jabroni if i have ever seen 1.

[DrFUD]

Will this one have cross platform play between PC and PS3 as well?

[Mario4life]

it is valve afterall so id assume that they would use stream for it

[Lulabarbie]

Excellent article!

[adamant715]

T_T

You people whine too much.

[Gazondaily]

Mountain out of a mole hill.

[Sheikah]

Do I speak for myself when I say "keep your filthy Counter-Strike releases!"?

[user858621]

Why would you want a valve game on console :/..

[OdinFallen]

Article makes a good point about microsoft's update model but to say that CS is doomed is moronic.

[Rashonality]

he got a valid point, hope Microsoft makes an exception for this game cuz it's too great of an opportunity to deliver a great Multiplayer experience on the Xbox 360.

[CrimsonEngage]

Don't care if it's doomed or not it sucks. I'll be playing BF3.

[DtotheRoc]

you're a fackin moron. dont' be so blind. BOTH games will be great but you've clearly never played counterstrike OR just don't enjoy competition and community with true precision controls with better physics than battlefield 2 which was eyars later...

[faraany33k]

You see its not about updates and stuff. I have played many games on consoles. While those games have a bit of recoil but after that reticule resets to original place. But playing CSS is completely different.

Infact CSS is loved basically because of its shooting mechanics. Remember how we love gravity fall bullets in BAD COMPANY2. CSS is all about recoil and spread. When we shoot an AK47 while standing, every meter of distance from target effects how recoil will gonna behave and the spread. And by my experience ANALOGUE stick doesn't have that much precision to control that recoil and spread. I think Valve will make this a console title with shooting mechanics like Left 4 Dead 2. And they are pretty lame IMHO.

[ladybug7]

cs on consoles?.... wow just get the game on pc

[IHateYouFanboys]

there are a few things i disagree with in this article:

1. frequency of patches: microsoft arent that restrictive with allowing patches out the door. being primarily a 360 gamer, using my PS3 only for exclusives, ive had some weeks of playing Black Ops or Rock Band where there were 2-3 updates. thats in a single week. there mustve been at least 20 patches for Black Ops overall so far, same with Modern Warfare 1/2 and Rock Band 1/2/3. this whole 'microsoft doesnt allow lots of patches' thing is just another myth created by the same people who STILL tell people that the 360 cant do 1080p, and other stupid blatant "facts".

2. balancing: gameplay balancing issues such as weapon damage etc dont actually need to be done through patching. take Gears of War 2 for example - while playing online, Epic actually have complete control of how much damage each weaopon does. they also have complete control over what enemies are in what levels in horde, what weapons are available, where they are placed etc. this is because thats all determined on their servers while youre playing online. so they could make a gun do 600000% damage one day, then back to the regular 100% damage the next day WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A PATCH/UPDATE. if you actually had a 360 and Gears 2 you could see this, as they often have "special" days where, for example, every enemy in Horde mode is a ticker and you only have torque bows to use - no patch required.

nothing is stopping valve or any other developer doing this either.

3. DLC is all about making money. Sony are MORE guilty of ripping off customers than MS are - how much are those individual costumes in LBP again? $2.49 or something? ive got PLENTY of free substantial DLC on the 360 - Halo 3s first 3 or so Map Packs are available completely free. the first map pack for Gears 1 was completely free. Burnout Paradise had a tonne of free content. Rock Band has had free tracks, Guitar Hero 3 did too.

[Laxman216]

Well said.

[1PC2PS33360]

why would you even want it on the last gen consoles (ps3/360), wouldn't you rather have it on next gen systems so you can actually play it in hd without all those jaggies like pc gamers will be, possibly it could even run at 60frames per second!

I honestly wish they would stop announcing games for those last gen systems, i cringe everytime i hear it.

[Laxman216]

This is from that faggot who signs his own name on every single post he puts up on any website he's a part of!

"Ok, now its time to make a bullshit guess at whats going to happen and Ill have to remember to sign my own name so that if on the extremely off chance my opinions are correct, I can tell people 'told you so!'

Counter strike will fail on the xbox becuase I want to be as known as that other Pratcher faggot who doesnt know anything either.

~Bryce"

[SuicideShaun]

Counter strike on ps3? No. Nice try consoles...

[DtotheRoc]

clearly anything counterstrike related is doomed on any console because console kiddies are ignorant to the CS that founded the modern military shooter years before cod 1s revolution and even the ones i've tried to explain to them about refuse to try PC gaming or would rather just play mw2 as broken a design as ever. This was in reference to ps3 kiddies BUT i'm sure that demographic is even more braindead on 360.

[SuicideShaun]

Well spoken, the way a game like css is played today it would never last on consoles, the typical console player just wouldn't be able to understand it.

[Laxman216]

I agree that Counter Strike is played far differently from any console shooter.

However, games like Call of Duty, Quake or Crysis are all played the same way. Like most PC games would tell someone; aiming with a mouse is far quicker, sometimes refered to as 'easier'.

Thing is, yes, while it is quicker to aim and play with a mouse, PC and console online games are played very differently becuase of this.

I for one actually think that Counter Strike will be quite enjoyable on a console, due to the fact I prefer slower, more tactical gameplay that a console controller essentially forces you to use given its limitaions.

So while it may end up 'failing' in the eyes of those used to playing the original game, or say Call of Duty, on thier PC's, many console gamers who play consoles due to thier personal preference will enjoy the gameplay Global Offensive will deliver over LIVE and the PSN.