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Possible Wii 2 Specs Revealed?

Gamertag Radio writes: "An internal document from Nintendo has surfaced on the Internet highlighting the hardware specs of the new Nintendo “Project Cafe” device otherwise known as the Wii HD or Wii 2."

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Seijoru4705d ago

If this is real then holy hell! Blu-ray plus a 4-core 3.2ghz processor? 1.5gb of RAM? .5gb of which is XDR2?

ProjectVulcan4705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

Also Radeon R770 = Radeon 48xx series, @ 766mhz, that basically means a mildly overclocked Radeon 4870 (750mhz stock) most likely.

This type of machine would be approx 4 times as fast as 360 and PS3. It would be enough to knock out better visuals in 1080p resolutions than either existing HD console could do in just 720p. Thing is, it states 16mb eDRAM. That would only actually be enough for a 1280 x 720 framebuffer if that is its intended use. This might be an early indication that the target res of games is 720p, however 1GB of Vram would be more than enough for 1080p.

This is a fairly powerful machine. However expect even more from PS4/360 replacement. Already a Radeon 6870 is twice as fast as a Radeon 4870, and its not even high end.

Saying that, this means this machine will not be excessively expensive to manufacture- its plenty faster than the existing crop, but some way short of bleeding edge tech. It'll never come in at original wii prices, but its possible it might not be all that much more expensive than a PS3.

Wenis4705d ago

Sounds too good to be true unfortunately... although I would love it to be true.

saladthieves4705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

This is one hell of an expensive device. I hope that there won't be any problems, especially looking at how small the packaging is.

We don't know for sure whether these are the final specs. Here's for E3 to find out what lies inside this beast!

TOO PAWNED4705d ago

I am not impressed tbh. Bigger leap was needed. Just imagine PS4 and nextbox spec in next 2 years.

Funny thing is that now Nintendo will pay to Sony on every BR disc sold lol

malamdra4705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

don't forget that:

-the NES was more powerful than the Master System
-Super NES was more powerful than Mega Drive
-Nintendo 64 was more powerful than PS1 and Saturn
-Gamecube was more powerful than PS2 (not sure about the Xbox)

in 5 out of 6 generations they were the ones with the best hardware, it would be no surprise if this is true

Too_many_games4705d ago

@malamdra The Gamecube was not more powerful then the Xbox

NatureOfLogic4705d ago

If this is true, I will buy.

sikbeta4705d ago

It can be legit, Idk, all that stuff together sounds expensive, also "Media – Custom Bluray" this a N workaround to not pay Blu-Ray royalties to Sony? who knows, better wait for E3...

ASTAROTH4705d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

At MALAMDRA... arent you too young to be talking about NES and SNES vs Master System and GENESIS?. Go play the games first.

The NES wasnt as powerfull as the MASTER SYSTEM. The power that time was counted in the faster processor, sprite and colors on screen. Also sound. In all of these the Master System excells the NES. The SNES has more colors and better GFX than the GENESIS but a slower processor.

The GAMECUBE had more features in the GFX than the PS2 like better handling in lightning and textures. The XBOX in the other was the most powerfull console of the last gen. XBOX vixuals in some games..(Conker, NGB, Halo 2) can still compete with 360 and PS3 first gen of games.

The Wii in the other hand is a downgrade in graphics from what the GAMECUBE was. Don believe?? Play Residen Evil 4 on Wii vs GC...or Okami Wii vs PS2 version. NINTENDO cheated their fanbase with the Wii and I demand the Wii 2 or whatever they call it, to have better visuals than both the PS3 and 360. I also demand more 3rd party support. Something thats going to make or brake the next gen Wii is the 3rd party support. . . I could see and incredible looking console with only First party games because 3rd party games dont sell as much... want an example?? Go check CAPCOM financials and their desision to downgrade their support to NINTENDOS consoles...

It will be an interesting NEXT gen!!!

Peaceful_Jelly4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

A Radeon 4870 has around 800 unified pipelines (stream processor) and that's crazy powerful for a console!!! Compared to the PS3 with only 24 and the Xbox 48 these consoles are underpowered as hell! http://www.amd.com/us/produ...

With this plus console optimizations we could expect Crysis level of graphics running at 1080p/60fps like if it were nothing. And this is why I don't think these specs are real... They are too good.

Sarcasm4704d ago

1GB of VRAM sounds good to me.

But I say people shouldn't expect too much.

Active Reload4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

This looks rather promising if true and has made my day! That 512mb main RAM, I'm assuming thats used significantly for the OS? If so, then I can see Nintendo brining back a beefed up window lookin format for the interface adding an App store. This system is definitely looking to aim it's sight to the 3rd party core game devs. I'm wondering what Nintendo will deliver in games that will make use of all that power, or will they just let 3rd party devs have fun with it--kinda like what MS does. No matter what, we should be seeing 60fps 1080p graphics with nothing really at all being gimped.

Computersaysno4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

http://www.guru3d.com/artic...

This is how fast a 4870 can be. Maximal settings on Dead space and Fallout 3, good examples because they are both on current consoles and they both run 1280 x 720 @ 30 frames a second.

As you can see, 4870 has no problems running these games @ 2560 x 1600 better than present machines.

2560 x 1600 is 4 and 1/2 times more resolution than 1280 x 720. Still runs better on that GPU. Howzat.

Anything on PS3 and 360 would be able to run 1080/60 on a machine of this spec without problems, and with performance to spare.

I am not sure why peeps think these specs are too good, when the GPU is 3 years old now. A Radeon 4870 is not a fast GPU by 2011 standards, it aint expensive either. A 5770 is teeny bit faster and they costs like £70/$100 at retail money. Much cheaper than that to make obviously

kneon4704d ago

@TOO PAWNED

They have already been paying Sony for DVD. Sony has been part of the patent pool for Bluray, DVD and CD.

Panasonic, Philips and Sony own most of the core IP for all these formats.

iamnsuperman4704d ago

I call bull from what we are shown. Doesn't really look like an official document leaked and the website is kinda random. It is more of a wish list. Everyone wait till E3 or you most probably be disappointed.

AWBrawler4704d ago

Are you smoking crack?
How is Wii a Downgrade?
Name me one Gamecube game that looks as good as Mario Galaxy, Metroid Corruption, Last Story, or even Prince of Persia.

Who the heck would believe that lie?

AdvanceWarsSgt4704d ago

Actually vulcanproject, I would caution your optimism for higher end tech in the PS4/720.

I'm not saying that MS and Sony won't push for the graphical envelope, but don't expect to see the same jump in visuals/performance like we did with the PS2 to PS3 and XBox to 360. I highly doubt that either would want to push a console out for release that they don't make money off of from day 1.

Theonetheonly4704d ago

@vulcanproject
i have a radeon 6970 and trust me it MURDERS my 5750. but it was way cheaper than the gtx580, almost guaranteeing that this cafe machine will be affordable!

can you imagine what this would do to the market if released q3 2012 it would turn it on its head!

Theonetheonly4704d ago

@peaceful jelly :)

the cost of hardware has come down significantly in the last 5 years. so I am pretty sure this is workable. even in the small box it comes in.

everything has moved far beyond the current so something between current consoles and current state of the art can be had for avg console launch price 399-499

Venoxn4g4704d ago

@Too_many_games oh yes, gamecube WAS more powerful that xbox.. just look at gamecube's exclusives.. (multiplats were same as PS2 quality, but exclusives had best graphics..)

just look at: RE4, RE:zero, RE:make, Luigi's mansion, metroid primes, super mario:sunshine, pikmin and others :)

the_best_player4704d ago

@AWBrawler
"Name me one Gamecube game that looks as good as Mario Galaxy"

Resident Evil 0 and 1

ProjectVulcan4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

I think it is likely PS4 and the Next xbox will be quite a lot faster than this, as they are more likely to launch right at the end of 2012, or even later. By the time we get to that point, even 6970 and GTX580 will not be any better than midrange performance. You can be absolutely certain of that.

As i said, a 4870 is only about half as fast as a 6870. It was new way back in mid 2008. 6870 itself is only midrange currently. 4870 level of performance isn't anything spectacular or new or expensive. Its pretty damn cheap now. It was less than 1 billion transistors, which is nothing these days for a GPU.

What it is though is quite a lot faster than what 360/PS3 have now, which is all Nintendo probably care about. 4870 is a fair leap over the current machines. Not massive, but enough that you would notice without even having them side by side to compare. You would know.

I think they could price it for maybe £300/$400 at most, it kinda depends what they might have up their sleeve with the controllers and if they are packed full of tech too then the costs will rise further. Nintendo might decide to take a hit on each machine to get them sold quick, it wouldn't be quite as bad a hit as sony took with PS3 initially.

Ju4704d ago

Could work. If true, this is a quite mighty little machine. Power6 is the logical merge with the Power series and the G3 line CPUs (higher frequency and better power management with the superior architecture of the Power series). I am impressed if IBM can make an embedded version of the Power6. If they do, and put 4 cores in, that is one powerful CPU in a console. i7 level powerful, I suppose. 512MB is enough to execute code, most data will be stored in the VRAM anyway, an 1G is quite nice. I will be even more impressed if they can sell this <$300. SW remains to be seen, I might as well get another Nintendo console next year...

jeseth4704d ago

This does look promising ... can't wait for E3 to see if more comes out. Not holding my breath though, Nintendo doesn't usually have the best hardware.

Plus,

If this is Nintendo's next machine . . . can you imagine what the next Playstation or Xbox will be loaded with!?

Yikes!

dabri54704d ago

@TOO PAWNED

Sony is a part of the consortium that backs DVDS and thus collects royalties for them as well. MS is already paying royalties for the media being used. Why would it matter if they went BlueRay in the future?
The original XBOX tried to get around this issue by making DVD playback only available if you bought the DVD remote for the system. The money used for selling the remote was used to pay the royalty fee.

Domer254704d ago

Problem is IF they do use screens in their controllers, this console will be over $350(with these specs).

ABizzel14704d ago

Definitely a huge improvement over the Wii, and a great boost over the current consoles if true.

At first I wasn't that impressed considering what is available right now, and what I expect from MS and Sony. But to be honest this is perfect for Nintendo, and even better than I initially thought they would do.

Check my previous thoughts here
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

That being said their new console isn't going to be a big hit with the casual right off the back for one reason. It's going to be expensive. In 2006 when you were faced with a $500 - $600 PS3, and a $400 - $500 Xbox 360, the Wii's $250 price point was just too good to pass up for casual gamers.

The 3DS cost $250 (I still think it's overpriced), so a console with this much in it has to retail for at least $350 - $400, unless Nintendo takes a loss early on, but Nintendo has the Apple stigma of overcharging for their products (so it's not hitting $250).

People complained about how they don't want the Wii 2/Cafe to be a slightly more powerful 360/PS3, but these specs. aren't just slightly more powerful this is a step up over what we're currently playing. Now I'm sure the Xbox 720 and PS4 will be leaps above this gen, but the Wii 2 is here NOW, while they're 1 - 3 years off.

Nintendo is in a prime position to stick it to MS and Sony, because now they have a console that can run the same 3rd party games that the PS3 and 360 have (up until they get dropped once the PS4 and 720 launch), as well as their exclusives to establish a broad library of games something Nintendo has never had (be honest they lack great FPS, great TPS, great Action-Adventure, great Racing games) they may have 1 or 2, but nothing compared to the competition. And the big kicker is that you can get all of this for slightly more than a PS3. Nintendo is in a good spot, regardless of what the analysis or other theorist say.

I'm happy for them, because the Wii left a bitter taste in my mouth. This is the one time I believe that 3rd parties will actually support Nintendo even if it's just until the PS4/720 launch.

AWBrawler4703d ago

RE 0 and 1 are different art styles than Galaxy, a more fair representation would be RE Darkside Chronicles vs RE 0 and 1.

Also CoD reflex on Wii is better looking than those two

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sdtarm4705d ago

I dont think nintendo is gonna enter to the market with something so powerful and therefore expensive,

also didnt ninty say that they wouldnt include HDD yet? or something like that

Shaman4705d ago

Actually,quad core for console(size matters ;) ) is not so expensive as it was 5 years ago.1.5 gig of ram is also cheap and 48xx cards are nothing to brag about in todays PC world.You got to understand that 360 and PS3,when they came out,had everything top of the class except memory so this really shouldn't go above 400$.

TheDivine4704d ago

Nintendo has acually always had the more powerful console until this gen when they went cheap w gimmicks. Anyone who says nin goes cheap or doesnt do power must have started gaming this gen, the n64 was twice as powerful as the playstation and gamecube was more powerful than ps2 but the least powerful console last gen sold the most, the ps2 so nintendo did that and guess what, sold the most for the most money. Now nintendo is in the best position to get all the support for the new gen and steal ms and sonys thunder.

damnyouretall4704d ago

nintendo is going to have to do something with their next console. cause what would be the point in bringing something out as powerful as a ps3 this late in the game. that would be really stupid. these specs makes sense cause they arent really mind blowing.

BLACKBOIJONES4705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

If this is real the PS4 will b 1,000 times more powerful than this!!!

SSKILLZ4705d ago

True that, and with a new power full cell omg can't even imagin how badass naughtydogs uncharted for the ps4 might look.

Shackdaddy8364705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

They will be the best for two years . Then it will be time for ninty to release another console (If Sony and Microsoft wait three years like they said so).

Honestly the fact that Microsoft and Sony are waiting so long is really giving a big advantage to Nintendo. They both should still do very well for themselves but still....

LOGICWINS4705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

What does PS4 have to do with this??

Green_Ranger4705d ago

If the ps4 is 1,000 times more powerful than this...then expect a price tag 1,000 times more powerful as well lol

Shackdaddy8364705d ago

@Green Oh so they told you the specs?

Shok4705d ago

Sony basically said that they're not going to make a powerful system like the PS3 next time around, actually.

IRetrouk4705d ago

no what they said was that they wouldnt spend as much money developing the next console, hello the r and d is already done, they have cell and blu ray all they have to do is beef everything up, its going to be a lot cheaper for sony to make the ps4 a powerhouse than it was for them to make the ps3.

Takoulya4705d ago

Firstly, Blackboijones, stop making idiotic statements like that.

Secondly, Shok, they didn't directly say that. They said that they wouldn't give the competition an advantage in terms of release time and price point. Not completely meaning a really low-powered system. Both the 360 and PS3 are fairly close in terms of hardware with a large initial difference of price and time of release.

Mr_cheese4705d ago

The PS4 will be a new power beast, but heck if this is true for the Wii let it shine, when the other systems release we can gloat then. I like the standard it will be setting, very nice.

Computersaysno4705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

Well lets just say PS4 uses the best Nvidia single chip right now, GTX580, tis bout 3 times faster than an R770.

'Cept that GTX580 will be replaced in six months with a much more powerful chip on a 28nm process. Roughly twice as fast again. If PS4 would use that, then it would be quite a lot quicker than this yeah. 5 times at least i would say.

steve30x4705d ago

@ BLACKBOIJONES : What are you smoking? 1,000 time more powerful LMAO. Theres no tech created yet that is 1,000 times more powerful. Maybe 25 - 50% more powerful , but not even minutely close to 1,000 times more powerful.

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metsgaming4705d ago

lets assume this is real, imagine how powerful the PS4 and new xbox will be !!!!

amilio4705d ago

I agree buh xbox360 has a good while again. PS3 on the other hand, there wrking on a new console already. i just bought my PS3 :(

Mr_cheese4704d ago

@amilio,

You seriously don't think they're developing a new xbox at the moment?

Consoldtobots4704d ago

yeah but microsoft has a huge storage format problem. They're not willing to swallow their pride and include a bluray drive in their console so I don't see how they are going to compete.

theonlylolking4705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

CPU – Custom IBM Power 6 Chip (Codename Fox), Quad Core 3.5Ghz

Graphics – Custom AMD RV770 (Codename Wolf) 766Mhz

RAM – 512MB XDR2 DRAM (Main), 1024 GDDR5 VRAM (Video), 16MB eDRAM

Storage – 2.5″ 250/320GB SATA & Expandable storage via SD/SDHC card up to 64GB

Media – Custom Bluray & compatible with Nintendo GameCube Game Discs & Wii Disc

Display – Composite – 480i, S-Video – 480i, Component – 480/720/1080, HDMI – 480/720/1080

If these specs are REAL then this is what I think needs to be changed.

RAM
I think they are going to need double or triple the amount of RAM these leaked specs have, but then again it is nintendo.

Media Disc
Why would they have gamecube games compatible? I have not seen any new gamecube games being made or being able to be bought in stores. There is hardly any used gamecube games in gamestop so why would nintendo have that backwards compatibility?

Display
I wish nintendo, M$ and Sony will stop support for 480i and 480p. It is so outdated and if they keep supporting it then some gamers will not feel the need to switch to HD(same goes for cable tv providers).

Storage
I think that is a pretty good amount of space but if they are going to start focusing on DLC, arcade games, and downloadable retail games then it will need to be upgradeable for more space

@GodofSackboy
I do ntot want a dictator I am suggesting that peoples lack of upgrading is not good for technology. In japan people buy new tech a whole lot which is why they have some of the best tech in the world.

Treue, some people do want to play some gamecube games but they probably already have a gamecube so why not play it on that or a wii?

GodofSackboy4705d ago

"then some gamers will not feel the need to switch to HD" - lol? You want some kind of dictator society where people are forced to use HD even if they dont want to? You want less choice? WTF

"Why would they have gamecube games compatible" - Y'know, some people, like, already have Gamecube games that they might want to play etc...

Shadow Flare4705d ago

i literally just bought a used gamecube game 2 days ago. You may not want gamecube B/C but some people would like it

Seedhouse4705d ago

480i/ 480p support would be for backwards compatibility of Wii games, surely?

As for your comments re: GameCube compatibility, I very much enjoy playing through my collection - sure, it's not necessary, but there's still plenty of 'hardcore' out there that'd want backwards compatibility to carry across.

Shaman4705d ago

Why would they shoot for mere 16 megs of eDRAM?Thats odd...thats just enough for 2xMSAA on 720p or 1080p without any MSAA.Maybe some kind of post process AA(FXAA,MLAA etc.?) that doesn't require memory.

Masta_fro4704d ago

@theonlylolking

Thats 512mb ram, PLUS 1gb VRAM...

Thats pretty good actually, considering xbox 360 has 512mb shared RAM...

Rettom4704d ago

Not everybody has an HDTV... you should know that.

Rettom4704d ago

Not everyone has an HDTV... you should know that.

ChickeyCantor4704d ago

" I wish nintendo, M$ and Sony will stop support for 480i and 480p. It is so outdated and if they keep supporting it then some gamers will not feel the need to switch to HD(same goes for cable tv providers). "

Cause you know, its Wii compatible.
480i/p is a resolution not a freaking system on its own.

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goaliegonzalez284705d ago

is it me or does the picture look like a router

showtimefolks4705d ago

which also does something new.

but this just sounds too good to be true. also how much would this cost?

i paid 600 for ps3 and i am willing to pay that much for wii 2 but if these specs are anything to go by it might be even more expensive

and that's where i stand nintendo will never release a console that will cost 500 or above NEVER

also whatever console nintendo brings out please give us the option to play all the major IP's either with a standard controller or motion just don't pick one for us

Horny4704d ago

You do know the year is 2011. This system has good specs but its nothing amazing by todays standards. They are probably shooting for something between 300-400$. By the time this system comes out it will already be outdated and by the time the ps4 and new x box arrive this will be at least 100-200$ cheaper.

dabri54704d ago

I expect the console to be no more than $299. People tend to forget that up until this gen, hardware has ALWAYS sold for a loss. Companies made the money back from software sales. Kind of like how printer companies lose money on printers but make it up with over priced ink.

sourav934704d ago

It sounds too good to be true. However, if it is true, then it's gonna be my first ninty console since the Gamecube.

dabri54704d ago

so....you skipped a gen? Just one? I see....

Peaceful_Jelly4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

I always been a Nintendo fan but they forced me to skip the Wii. That console is lame as hell, I don't even like 98% of the games in it and I hate the poor specs even more. Wii games look hardly any better than PS2, a 10 years old console....

HolyOrangeCows4704d ago

Nintendo knows better than to make a console that much more expensive than the competition.

And even if they do, it's not like Nintendo will support the sort of games that gamers who care about the amount of power of the console, will even care about. They do everything in their power to keep from being associated from violence or anything else not kid friendly.

And none of this "BUT they'll still support the Wii" crap. Either they drop the Wii like a brick or they continue Wii support and make themselves look bad as the Wii outsells the cafe soon after the hype-charged release. Not even an infinite amount of marketing will get casual gamers/grannies to spend the money that these fake specs would require.

ConstipatedGorilla4704d ago

If this is real, I'm preordering as soon as we're able.

Persistantthug4704d ago

It looks like the Wii2/Cafe is mimicking the PS3 design--upgraded of course--as close as possible.

Lets see,
--a higher FLOPS (Graphics Processing) calculating CPU than is typical for General CPU's

--XDR (XDR2 in this case) ram for SUPER fast memory access.

--BLURAY for the best media disk format possible.

--HARDDRIVES in every unit.

Looking pretty good.

Ju4704d ago

Yeah, it screams Sony all over the place (sans SPUs). A PS4 with those specs would be quite impressive, too. Sony better step it up to beat this (price considered).

gypsygib4704d ago

I want Battlefield 3 on this thing.

Kon_Artist 4704d ago

sounds $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

JsonHenry4704d ago

Only 1.5gigs of RAM?! COME ON! Would one console manufacturer ever come through and stop choking the devs of these games and give them somewhere close to current tech capacity standards? I don't see why any new system should have less than 3gigs. You'd see game devs jumping for joy if they would do that. Even if they put in old 667/800mhz it would be better than 1.5gigs of a faster RAM.

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a_bro4705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

sounds very powerful. Im looking foward to nintendo's E3. and of course Sony's E3 as well.

BlmThug4705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

Fake Specs. It Would Cost A Lot For This And Nintendo Dont Do That. Expect Specs Midway Xbox 360 And PS3

zeal0us4705d ago

I thought the same thing dude, go back and look all their retro consoles and compared them to sega consoles. They were way more powerful than sega stuff back in the day. They didn't start switching the low-end spec game until gamecube days.

jizzyjones4705d ago

Would it really cost that much tho? its 2011 not 2006, I know they generally use OLD hardware in favour of profit ect but 512mb RAM isn't alot, 2.5' hardrives are dirt cheap, blu ray drives are too. An this thing is supposedly going to be announced in around a weeks time, im not ruling it out just yet.

Shackdaddy8364705d ago (Edited 4705d ago )

It wouldn't cost as much as people are thinking...

Another year from now when it releases it will be an alright price. Still expensive but definitely affordable.

Shok4705d ago

Exactly. And this console is releasing in 2012, so the cost to manufacture this would be even more less expensive by then.

ChickeyCantor4704d ago

3DS is 250.
Reggie said that their launch target audience is a different one compared to the Wii.

jizzyjones4705d ago

If this is real....my word its a beast, an also will make a nice hub for cooking bacon.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1012d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref2d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde2d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19722d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville2d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21831d 19h ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos1d 18h ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai2d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref2d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan2d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0071d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19722d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref2d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde2d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19722d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier2d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto2d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21831d 19h ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto1d 16h ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman2d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts2d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate1d 23h ago (Edited 1d 23h ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts1d 5h ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic1d 13h ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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banger888d ago

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True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

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