Digital Foundry Face Off: Crysis 2

News that Crytek would be embracing cross-platform development and working with Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 was met with concern from its fans: would the PC game be left behind as Crytek refocused its resources on technologically outdated consoles? Could the Microsoft and Sony platforms be cajoled into running code designed for massively more powerful hardware?

[Shanks]

I'm sure the PS3 can do better than that.
Why not use MLAA? not only it's the best AA solution on consoles, it frees a lot of GPU time. Crytek could have done better.

[ProjectVulcan]

PS3 gives away a bit of resolution but it does get back for that some instances of better effects. In either case the article identifies major, performance crushing areas of both versions anyhows.

I was pleasantly surprised how well it runs on PC, higher end stuff like 6970s and GTX570s have no problems with it on extreme and 1920 x 1080, most of the time averaging 60 frames a second and up if you have no vsync or a 120hz monitor like moi.

You can bet this topic is gonna get smoking hot...in reality the article is fairly well balanced.

[MegaMohsi]

I'm getting 35-40 fps on my i7930 and gtx 460 on extreme settings at 1920x1080

[ImHereNow]

inb4 all the ppl that said they were waiting for the DF compare b4 buying the best version of Crysis 2 pretend it doesn't matter now

[zootang]

Megamoshi

I'm looking at builing a pc and I bet that cost no less than £600/$800. So you can't compare for price. On topic PS3 version for the 7.1 surround.

[StanLatMarveldotCom]

"On balance, 360 has the edge in terms of visuals and general performance, but PS3 more than holds its own, bettering the Microsoft platform in some areas."

Like I said in previous articles, each version seems to take advantage of each hardware's strengths and you find advantages to both with minimal differences in each version.

[ProjectVulcan]

@ zootang

You can get a fairly good PC for 600 pounds these days. Certainly something that would run Crysis 2 far beyond the 720p/20-30 frames a second range the consoles do. You can find good guides online. This for example still works fairly well today.

http://www.tomshardware.co....

This is about 360-380 quid in UK prices. Toss in a copy of Win 7 64bit and even some bits and bobs peripheral wise and you are still shy of 500 quid. It manages the original Crysis in 1680 x 1050 with everything on in standard configuration, you will not find much more demanding than that, Crysis 2 is less demanding if anything.

Overclocked it is even playable @ 1920 x 1080. Talk about bang for buck.

The Modern warfare 2 bench shows it doing a magnificent 77 frames a second in 1080p. The consoles manage around 50-60 frames @ 1024 x 600. So that PC is managing a considerably higher framerate, while running nearly FOUR times the resolution with better in game settings and anti aliasing. That is what is called a chasm in performance.

[malandra]

"The unavoidable conclusion we came to is that when frame-rate does crash in those affected areas, it's actually Crysis 2 on PS3 that holds up better."

"however, close up, it's clear that shadows are somewhat more blocky and unattractive on the Microsoft console."

"Bearing in mind the limited nature of the 3D support, it doesn't really factor into the purchasing decision – but the PS3 undoubtedly gives the better picture here."

"this makes Crysis 2 one of the most inconsistent performers released in recent times. In these situations, it seems that it is the Xbox 360 version that has the most difficulties, though there's no mistaking that both platforms seem to lag badly in much the same areas"

[darthv72]

Those cherry picked quotes makes it out like the 360 is actually the 2600 trying to run this game.

lol

[zootang]

@Vulcan

I'm not trying to rain on your parade but it is still double the price of a PS3 or 360. You can understand why people stick with consoles. I'm getting a phenom x2 555 with a GTX460 for about £400. I'm going to build it myself. No bubbles so I can't reply again :(

[ProjectVulcan]

It is of course double the price but its also at least quadruple the performance as a gaming machine zootang. Its also a fully functioning computer with a copy of the latest windows slapped on it. Multi format games are also on average 10-15 pounds a pop cheaper.

I can see why people would buy a console for its initial lower cost and for its simplicity, but nonetheless, a PC for games costing that amount and having that much performance is an attractive proposition. Even if its just for multi platform titles- these make up the majority of games and time spent on games these days.

Its worth it alone in my experience to be above the fanboy console arguments! There is no real reason then to argue over which console version is best when you own a machine that slaps them both silly for titles like this.

[Pixelated_Army]

It's more or less the same except that the PS3 has better lighting and better gamma levels.

"Another aspect that lessens the impact of the resolution difference is CryEngine 3's chosen anti-aliasing technique. Halo: Reach-style temporal anti-aliasing is being used on objects a set distance away from the camera, with an edge-detect/blur mechanism in play for elements close to the player. Both of these techniques add further blurring to the visual effects chain, and again serve to make the resolution gain on Xbox 360 less noticeable in the heat of the action. More resolution is obviously a good thing and there is an overall feeling that the image on Xbox 360 is cleaner and crisper, but only with a direct A to B comparison do you actually feel you're missing anything on the PS3 rendition of the game, which still looks very impressive."

[Pixel_Pusher]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

"Is this the comparison that some here were waiting for? I'm sorry, but Digital Foundry's writeup always seem to be skewed to the 360's favor, regardless of the results. His articles are always seasoned with a bit of bias, so it's hard to take him seriously. In this very article, Leadbetter goes on and on about any advantage the 360 has, take for example what he said about the lighting, he said the 360 has better lighting, however the screenshots he used to indicate that prove that the PS3 has more light sources over the 360."

[Pixel_Pusher]

PS3 maintains a consistent yet lower fps during intense action scenes and there for runs and plays smoother.

PS3 has better gamma and light levels
http://images.eurogamer.net...

360
http://images.eurogamer.net...

So all in all where it counts for gameplay the PS3 tops the 360. Enjoy those few extra pixels while I'll enjoy the gameplay.

[YodaCracker]

@malandra

"The reason here is fairly straightforward: while Crysis 2 runs at 1152x720 resolution on the Microsoft platform, PS3 operates at a base resolution of 1024x720."

"In short, then, Xbox 360 benefits from a 12.5 per cent resolution boost over the PlayStation 3 version of the game. While it is true that the action generally looks clearer and not quite so blurred on the Xbox 360"

"More resolution is obviously a good thing and there is an overall feeling that the image on Xbox 360 is cleaner and crisper"

"However, there do appear to be some isolated instances where lighting appears bugged or flawed in the PS3 version, as the brace of shots above demonstrates."

"Shadows appear to have some offset issues in places on the PlayStation 3"

"In addition to a higher base resolution, the Xbox 360 appears to outperform the PS3 version of Crysis 2 in like-for-like comparisons."

"Performance is variable but in the majority of the scenes we do see an advantage to the Microsoft console."

"The increased performance and resolution indicates that the Xbox 360 is the preferred platform for Crysis 2"

"There's a performance hit on PS3 there, but the 360 version is remarkably solid, adding some weight to Crytek's claims."

"There's little doubt that the Xbox 360 is the cleaner, crisper experience and for the most part it commands a small but significant frame-rate advantage and fewer little glitches; especially outside of combat scenarios, the game just seems to run that much more smoothly."

"On balance, 360 has the edge in terms of visuals and general performance"

[HolyOrangeCows]

I guess the people who claimed Crysis 2 has the best graphics on consoles because of some lighting effects - despite being sub-HD, poor AA, not keeping up to 30fps, having a poor latency, etc - will LOVE the PS3 version (lol, like those persons have one).

Snarky comment out of the way, Crytech did a decent job. I mean, look at some of the disasters other developers release. This is certainly above average.

[BubbleSniper]

this is great!

now i can get ps3 ver. without feelin true gimpness of usual multiplat bs that go on with every other release!

i not even touch my retail Crysis 2 for PC yet... when DX11 release is when i tear open package.

i have more than enough game to keep me occupied till then. HAPPY!

[DaTruth]

I'm not a PC gamer, but it's not like anyone is gonna be living without a PC of some kind and that will set you back a bit! So if you're buying a mid performance PC and a console, that is practically the same price as a high performance PC!

I have two 7 year old PC's and they work fairly well for surfing the net and downloading crap so I don't really need to upgrade; but I plan to upgrade eventually, and when I do, I will be going high performance!

Although, I will always need a Sony console because Sony games are just too amazing!

[MaxXAttaxX]

As usual.
Not a good attribute, really.

[JRobes]

oh god... ps3 gamers make me laugh. over the last couple years xbox has been given so much crap over not having as high native res as ps3 games but now its all about gameplay huh pixel_pusher?

[BloodyNapkin]

@vulcanproject

Well i can get cheaper games on consoles by using gamefly then you can on your little steam, and getting it on day of release not waiting 2 months down the road.

Funny how all the Pc guys come in touting in Multiplatform game articles how awesome it is. But where are they when it is Uncharted 2 or 3 articles or God of War 3 or GT5 and i can sit here and go all day and slap the PC silly with PS3 exclusives, Pc's have very few good games.

Not everyone cares soley about graphics it is more about quality games which the PC lacks. If i was strictly a PC gamer i would have missed out on some of the best games in the last 5 years.

[AndrewRyan]

I actually have an i3 processor at 4.0 ghz and a gtx 560 ti MSI that is overclocked. The game runs easily at 40 frames on extreme. Looks great.

[MaxXAttaxX]

I think PC fanboys need to shut up. We all know you can have better graphics on PC by upgrading.

Why are these PC elitists so insecure? It's sad.

[jjohan35]

Not many ppl on my friend's list (80+ friends) bought Crysis 2 for PS3. I think Crytek really hurt their marketing when they released that absolutely crappy demo build for 24 hours. Graphics were horrible and the network instability was utter crap. Everyone I know who bought retail version (myself included) agree that the retail version is much much better than the demo build, but I think the damage has already been done to keep people from buying it.

[jeseth]

This game basically looks the same on PS3 or 360. Some things look better on 360, some better on PS3. But to say on definitively looks way better than the other is just BS.

Whenever one says
"Well PS3 looks better here" someone could say "Yeah but, 360 looks better here". And vice versa.

I swear. Do people actually even care about playing games anymore? Cold me old fashioned but this gen has created some of the most whiny and critical "gamers" I've ever seen.

[ProjectVulcan]

I would say most PC gamers have consoles too @ Bloodynapkin, and gamefly rentals or whatever it is called is not available outside the states, so your point is kinda moot there for the other 6.6 billion people on the planet or the people that want to BUY their games.....

I am really unsure why you just ranted about PC gamers in this topic. Honestly i have no idea whatsoever. PC gamers enjoy their PC games, the wide array of titles that are out there, as well as the higher profile multi plat titles out there too like this game :-)

[jriquelme_paraguay]

Camarillo 1 - Riquelme 0

[theonlylolking]

KZ3, KZ2, resistance 3, and some others prove the PS3 can do better but fora multiplatform dev they did just as good as criterion games does on PS3.

[Graphics]

KZ2, KZ3, Resis3? Last time I checked Crysis 2 looked better than all 3....

[badz149]

yeah, sure. /s

[Kurt Russell]

Shame KZ3 is poor, KZ2 even more so and Resistance 3 doesn't even exist yet eh?

Crysis looks great when you view it without your nerd fanboy goggles boys.

[Ju]

Yeah, Graphics, sure..if you haven't played it yet. Go get it. You'll change your mind.

[BK-201]

Actually its lower res because of a 14 mb of RAM issue which makes me facepalm on what Sony were thinking with the XMB using up so much ram.

[BrianG]

Fortunately Sony has drastically reduced the footprint of the OS while still implementing new features that were not available at launch.

I don't think they are doing a bad job, and I'm sure they will reduce the RAM usage further.

[HeavenlySnipes]

But I swear the SPU is divided into 8 (or 6) on the Cell Processor and one of the cores is dedicated to the XMB, one is left unused and the rest are free to be used by the developers.

[BubbleSniper]

an you forget performance of the ram inside PS3 tidalwave over that of the 360?

strength and weaknesses in both.

move along.

[Ju]

I doubt it's because of the lack of those 14MB. If at all Crytek needs 4ms (per frame). Next step, please look into a (more?) deferred rendering solution. That should give them 30fps with headroom and full 1280 res.

[TBM]

Cool now I can play the game on my PS3, and not lose any sleep/s

These comparisons are f*cking pointless they're only for those people who are insecure about the system they purchased so they need reassuring that they made the correct choice.

Since I own both consoles I can chose whichever one I want to play on, and since I refuse to pay for Live just to play online I know which console i'll play this on.

[BigPappaPump]

yep

[TBM]

lol i guess the people who disagreed with me fall under the category of what i said. sad, sad people.

[DigitalAnalog]

The 360 actually has a NATIVE resolution of 720 + vsync? As opposed to the 1152x720 on the demo? Meanwhile, the PS3 gets the same damn resolution with no noticable improvements.

In regards to DF take on 3D:

"In short, Crysis 2 in 3D is no Motorstorm: Apocalypse or Killzone 3"

That throws Gamesradar's "opinion" out the window. That site is notoriously anti-PS3.

Other notes include:

- "a variable 15-20FPS update in an intense fire-fight is hugely disorientating, and this makes Crysis 2 one of the most inconsistent performers released in recent times."

- "issues the game has in terms of bizarre glitches, performance drops, geometry pop-in and such-like are hardly exclusive to one platform"

To wrap it all up Crytek has:

- Failed the "no difference" challenge by making the 360 running smoother and SHARPER in NATIVE 720p.

- Failed to had a steady 30FPS as they claimed.

- Failed to "revolutionise" 3D.

- Failed to have the "most advanced" AI as they claimed.

- Failed to have a solid engine.

- Managed to succeed spewing garbage talk.

I was right not to hype this game up.

- End statement

[SCW1982]

Gamesradar is not notoriously anti- PS3. In fact they are my most trusted site to visit on the Internet for all reviews. And yes I am a PS3 fanboy.

[Rayansaki]

Well they did do one thing right. They made the best looking game on the x360. It's still not the best looking console game, but for a multiplatform game to look better than the console's exclusives is no easy fit.

[joab777]

I agree w you and it isn't an opinion. It goes back to this. Imagine if crytek built specifically for the ps3 & at release it was superior to Xbox and much closer to PC. All hell would break loose and the majority of fps gamers, which happen to b on Xbox would b in a state of shock; this would hurt sales, which is the bottom line. It appears to me that crytek used shortcuts to but was very specific in their desire to build a version that appeared to b equal to the Xbox. Well i guess,congratulations to crytek. Actually, no. This would have been acceptable a year ago, but too many builders have proven what can b done w the ps3. Right now, each time i switch between crysis 2 and k3, i have to change my display settings from 1080p to 720p. Really, the console w a blue ray player must b played on 720 to get Max settings...cmon...i am so damn tired of it.

[socomnick]

why ? because the ps3 maybe can't run mlaa and the cry engine.

Perhaps the ps3 isn't as strong as people tend to believe.

[pixelsword]

maybe Crytek can't run mlaa and the cry engine.

just like everyone said:

This is the best looking 360 game

This is a okay looking PS3 game

[NukaCola]

So unless Gears 3 steps up the 360 Graphics Award this year is going to Crysis 2, while the PS3 will get it for Uncharted 3.

[NewZealander]

yeah but MLAA causes awefull artifacts, in all honesty the only game where its looked good was god of war.

[Tony-Red-Grave]

because MLAA wouldnt work on 360 im sure theres been an article stating that the 360 with MLAA becomes ustable

[bartender64]

I guess that the 360 version isn't sub hd then.

[coldfoot]

Actually, it is, DF had a brain fart.

[hennessey86]

the ps3 is totally missing shadows on the bodybags but overall they look about the same but im going with the 360 version.

[hennessey86]

the proof is right there for all to see

[Beefstew4u]

The first screenshot also shows off the lower resolution of the PS3 version. Probably the only pic where the two versions look completely different. Hence the disagrees.

[darthv72]

are because you said you were getting the 360 version.

I generally base my multiplatform choice on my friends and what they get it for. If my buddy gets it for the ps3, so shall I. Same for the 360.

A game like this is just an example of how it should be done when it comes to appeasing both ps3 and 360 sides.

[hennessey86]

you know what fook it im going to get the ps3 and 360 version then i please everybody, oh wait i cant get the pc version because my pc wont run it damn now im a console fanboy

[Snake-eater]

credit to crytek for keeping the difference to minimal

[Convas]

At long last, the only pixel counters I trust. Crytek should be congratulated. They did an EXCELLENT job.

[Wizziokid]

"There's little doubt that the Xbox 360 is the cleaner, crisper experience and for the most part it commands a small but significant frame-rate advantage and fewer little glitches; especially outside of combat scenarios, the game just seems to run that much more smoothly. However, there are parts of the game that seem to be brutally unoptimised, bringing the performance level crashing down to the point where the afflicted sections become almost unplayable - a variable 15-20FPS update in an intense fire-fight is hugely disorientating, and this makes Crysis 2 one of the most inconsistent performers released in recent times. "

well that's, that then...

edit: wait I got a disagree for posting a quote from the article? really... lol

[bartender64]

Can someone explain why the disagrees with him? It's a damn quote from the article, i don't understand you people.

[jack_burt0n]

"The unavoidable conclusion we came to is that when frame-rate does crash in those affected areas, it's actually Crysis 2 on PS3 that holds up better."

You missed the crucial bit, for a biased site like DF that is scathing stuff right there.

[Biggest]

It's statements like "frame-rate does crash" and "brutally unoptimised, bringing the performance level crashing down to the point where the afflicted sections become almost unplayable" that make me wonder how people can trick themselves into thinking that Crysis 2 beats any of the top tier PS3 exclusives in the graphics/performance arena. Obviously PS3 owners get to play them all so it's ultimately a non-issue. It's just sad that one biased comment from IGN is all it takes for people to ignore reality and claim their new multiplatform flavor of the month as "THE GRAPHICS KING!!!" I guess now they wait for Rage and continue to hope for the best.

[Tyre]

ur picking a piece from the article and taking it out of it's context...these framedrops represent 3% of the game...those framedrop moments are so short lived in the actual game...the rest of the game is smooth...MGS4 also had framedrops while shooting the Gekkos from the back of a Jeep..so many console games have framedrops...the framedrops in Mass Effect 1 are so much worse....these guys mention them in this article cause it's part of their technical analysis but in the end they say that the versions are a miracle work and a job well done by Crytek with graphics/FX and gameplay not yet seen on consoles and the differences between PS3 and 360 are in the minor details..overall they are the same but PS3 excels in some departements and the 360 in others.

[green]

Just played the 360 version for about 20mins today and it is a fantastic looking game.Lighting is exceptional and the textures are really good for a console game. Did not notice any screen tearing that the LOT article mentioned but from this article, they explain its at the top of the screen so hence is not noticeable.

I did notice a very very tiny frame rate drop but my boss said, its installed on his HDD on his home 360 and it runs much much better that way.

Anyway, from my very brief encounter with the game, i can safely say that Crytek have delivered a quality product and cant wait to get my own copy to play the full campaign.

Cant wait to see what they will do with Kingdoms.

[Raendom]

"In conclusion, it's fair to say that Crytek has done enough to prove that Crysis can run on consoles - either of them in fact - and certainly the issues the game has in terms of bizarre glitches, performance drops, geometry pop-in and such-like are hardly exclusive to one platform. On balance, 360 has the edge in terms of visuals and general performance, but PS3 more than holds its own, bettering the Microsoft platform in some areas. "

So there you have it, bring on Crysis 3!

[theonlylolking]

Digital foundry did the best job out of all comparisons.

Crytek did MAXIMUM AWESOMENESS on the PS3, PC and 360 version of crysis 2

[MegaMohsi]

They'll have a PC analysis up on Saturday, I'm interested in seeing that

[Beefstew4u]

Me too. Love Digital Foundry's technical analyses of games =).

[gamingdroid]

Yeah, I like Digital Foundry's analasys' as well. It is what it is, deal with it. Good or bad....

[Otheros00]

More like Crytek did MAXIMUM FAIL on the ps3 and 360. Soo much for THE BEST GRAPHICS ON ANY CONSOLE EVER.

[BrianG]

They should receive flack for that yes. Just as other developers get criticized for not coming through on all their promises.

However, they did make what appears to be a solid game, that looks good across all platforms. The visuals weren't all they cracked it up to be, but thats what happens when Dev's run their mouth. People build up expectations that can not be met. Sometimes people build up unreachable expectations without the devs help.

With that being said, cryengine 3 looks like its going to be an interesting engine to keep my eyes on in the future.

[Redlogic]

@Otheros00

The entitlement gamers have these days is just sickening. It's a fun game with great graphics, learn to enjoy it.

[IcarusOne]

I guess style and graphics are two different things, but for my money, I enjoy the look of this way more than KZ. Crysis is truly epic. KZ feels like a graphic novel.

[jack_burt0n]

"The unavoidable conclusion we came to is that when frame-rate does crash in those affected areas, it's actually Crysis 2 on PS3 that holds up better."

LOL.

[Raider69]

@jack_burt0n  
You are still beating on that!I can tell you right away that the two version are up on par on the framerate!But i can also tell you that the game runs more smoother installed completely on the 360 HDD,actually is quite noticeably that textures and framerate seems better wend the game is installed,i guess Crytek optimise it for the HDD.Another thing to everybody The game looks good on the two platforms get it to the platform of your choise ,but the game its nothing special among the already crowded FPS market.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

the ps3 still has the worse overall frame rate.

[anubis56]

So the 360 version is slightly better after all, GREAT!

[units]

while Crysis 2 runs at native 720p resolution on the Microsoft platform, PS3 operates at a base resolution of 1024x720

[Anon1974]

They also noted "other elements of the visual make-up of the game do their job in helping to bridge the difference" and "base resolution isn't always the paramount element in image quality"

[baodeus]

Well then, Crytek is pretty good at keeping game similar on both platforms.

@darkride66

That is exactly right. Resolution doesn't matter, it is what running underneath and the overal techniques that counts. Although i think u should tell that to the rest of the Sony fanboy or those who were bashing crysis for running a little below HD resolutions.

[Tyre]

resolution difference not noticable when played on TV i could swear they both had the same resolution.....there ye go now i know, does it make any difference? nope. The game is just as good and beautiful as before...how strange.

[CernaML]

LOL 360 fanboys only need to read ONE advantage to declare victory.

[floetry101]

From what I've seen of the online multiplayer, the framerate looks remarkably solid on both platforms, so hopefully the game has longevity in that aspect.

A few things need ironing out in the campaign (A.I mostly), but the second half of the game just about topples any FPS I've played this year. Kudos Crytek.

[additup28]

Digital foundry really is the best when it comes to these comparisons. I went with the 360 version and it looks fantastic, but the framerate drops do kill it for me a bit. Im all about going guns blazing and blowing up everything and going all out. Sorry if I have a supersuit im going to utilize it and not hide in the shadows.

[come_stains]

How the hell can you even say that! The best my ass!

Did you even watch his analysis video?
The Xbox screen torn pretty bad buddy. But since it was in the over-scan area he didn't even factor it in his decision. You do know that over-scan doesn't apply to digital signals right? Over-scan is for CRT T.V's.. If you have your xbox hooked up through HDMI that over-scan screen tearing is present!

This guy is such a Xbot it isn't even funny.
Screen tearing is screen tearing end of story! The facts are there in your face, in his own video! I don't care if it's at the Bottom, top, left, right, behind the screen, if it's there, it's there... It's a performance analysis for Christ sake! Screen tearing is a performance issue!!!

Am I the only who who finds this comparison BS?

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

no reason for you to be so butt hurt about it.

[Hanuman]

I'm about half way through the 360 version and besides some minor shadow issues (helicopter shadows that skip across the screen) and the framerate of some effects being very low, I can't notice anything wrong with the game. The framerate only drops below average when screenfilling events occur and when it happens most of the time you're not even in combat. The cryengine (even on consoles) is producing the best visuals I've seen in any game thus far. I only saw screentearing in Crysis 2 when it was pointed out to me and wasn't playing.

[DelbertGrady]

As expected. Proving what we knew all along.

Those tricked screenshot comparisons from the german sites where the textures hadn't loaded properly tried to fool us into believing the PS3 version was better.

[Silly gameAr]

lol. It's sad how a few pixels and missing shadows is all it for you guys to celebrate.

[Tyre]

apparently you haven't read the article...because they clearly say that the PS3 suffers from less texture pop-in...anyways they also say that each version excels in different areas....

[ps3bestever]

looks TIE :|

[Quagland]

Draw? Ah, how boring :)

[bunfighterii]

Another multiplat another PS3 game gets shafted. Still looks good, but I still don't know why they can't create console 'equality' by now, we know its possible.

[bozebo]

eeeuuugh. Both platforms have unbearably low frame rates.

If theres one thing they certainly could have done for PS3 it's use that extra Blu-ray space to have pre-rendered cut scenes (I dunno, just screencap them on PC lol). But then 360 fanboys would blabber on that it isn't powerful enough to render them etc. (heard that argument for exclusives before, but look at MGS4, it had the same reason as the 360 for having in-engine cut-scenes: not enough disk space)

I dunno, the 360 has a better frame rate in Crysis 2. If I was getting it on consoles I would have to opt for 360 because low frame rates are really hard on my eyes, even though the 360 frame rates are still painfully low (even at solid 30fps it'd be too low).

The article mentioned something about the 360's 'tessellator'. BS: the 360's gpu is unified, so using the tessellator would mean it has less shader performance for other things. PS3 probably has plenty of spare CPU so they could shove software tessellation for water on a cell core - but that would take up a couple of MB of RAM >_<.

Consoles seriously just need more ram and they would both be better off.

[RankFTW]

I'll pick up the PS3 version as I'll be playing it in 3D.

[YOUR-MUM]

I picked the pc version up. Im playing it in 3d @ 1920x1080 keeping a steady 50 to 70 fps:)

[SJPFTW]

cool story bro

[swinesucker]

LOL at the 360 fanboys. Good god GIVE IT UP! This game is nowhere near KZ3 quality or U2 quality when it comes to textures, Aniso filtering, framerate,etc. Playing KZ3 after Cry2 on 360 is like playing an upper level PC game for christ and this is coming from a 360 fan. You cannot just insert all this random bullshit and pass it off as truth. The game bogs down badly, has great lighting, but can hardly support it in many scenes.

Resolution is NOT 720p on 360 it is 1152x720p as CONFIRMED by CRY2 devs! Another mistake missed by the perennial douche that is DF.

Anybody care about SOUND. Dolby Digital for 360 where the PS3 gets 7.1 LPCM and not ONE MENTION! As if sound doesn't matter we might as well play without it heh! It matters and it makes a huge difference!

[maxcer]

looks to me like YOU cant "give it up". maybe if you had a little more money and could afford a ps3/360/pc combo you wouldn't be so bitter.

[PirateThom]

But, if you had a PC capable of running this, why would you even take part in this discussion?

[swinesucker]

LoL, I have all three. And no I don't have crysis 2 on any of them and no I will not buy it as the game doesn't interest me at all. What I posted is all in fairness. As for PC guys this game has taken a drastic step back. The AI for this game also blows. I had the PC demo and put it down after a couple hours.

[swinesucker]

Why not? And how was it a lie I have played all the demo's. Good enough for me to make an observation. I don't need to lie to know this game has crap multiplayer and I don't pay 60 dollars for some crap story posted onto graphics with nice lighting and nothing much else. My PC may run this nicely but it sure doesn't max it out.

[hoops]

"LoL, I have all three. And no I don't have crysis 2"

"Playing KZ3 after Cry2 on 360 is like playing an upper level PC game for christ and this is coming from a 360 fan."

First you say you don't have Crysis 2 so YOU NEVER PLAYED IT.
Then comes your next remark above. How can you compare these games when YOU DON'T HAVE CRYSIS 2? LOL
You were just caught in a lie.
Whats new.

Soon as Crysis 2 hit retail, people like you are running scared and making shit up.
The consoles versions do have glitches, but considering how advanced this game engine is, i am surprised its running on these aging consoles at all and loking as great as it is.
Digital Foundry did a in depth alanalysi of the game and determined that the Xbox360 is 720p....You are screaming its a lie. LOL. Drinking the crazy Glenn Beck fluid lately?
Please come back when your beloved KZ3 uses ANY real time effects and has a destructible interactive environment on the level of Crysis 2.
It would have been nice to see KZ3 use HDR......
And the only reason to get the console versions is if you dont have a gaming PC OR you did like what I did. Buy the console version to see if Crytek pulled it off....they did.
I just bought the PC version today...Its the way to go.

[bartender64]

I was going to say the same thing to him, glad that you called him out. some fanboys has strong nerves.

[Biggest]

And now that "Digital Foundry did a in depth alanalysi of the game and determined that the Xbox360 is 720p. . . I mean less than 720p so let's retract the previous statement" do you feel better? Is he still drinking the Glenn Beck fluid? Killzone 3 is still the better performing game on consoles. That shouldn't bother you. The PC version of Crysis 2 is obviously better in every way. Enjoy it.

[xtremegamerage]

Seriously came down to 14mb for rez in the end,lol

OS size springs to mind.

As for the better looking game.

Higer rez on 360, but not 1280x720,higher fps,screentear(min)
Better af,shadow quality on PS3,no screentear,min lower fps.

You choose.

Bearing in mind the limited nature of the 3D support, it doesn't really factor into the purchasing decision – but the PS3 undoubtedly gives the better picture here.

Love how they say it does not factor in, well it fking does if you want to play it that way. As it does for the 7.1.

Eurogamer. 2 steps forward, 5 steps back.

[doublebass2]

Digital foundry once again proved them selves,also the fotos taken (some fotos)by the LOT,didd nt actually flatter the obvious winner,since maybe they were taken during loading times(example,the foto with the emplem of the skull on the soldier's arm at the very begining was equally rendered,)very thorough and professional as always!

Maybe there is still power in the 6years old machine afterall...In my opionion,crysis looked better than killzone2(have nt played 3 yet,next week,)only Uncharted 2 really gives it a hard time,and that is probably because they are very different games,there is much more interaction and free style play on crysis 2,but the uncharted 2 is really more cinematic!(To my opionion,uncharted 2 is the best game i played this year so far!!Have bought,but havent played yet the Mass effect2 360 yet,waiting the last dlc to play it complete though!!,and i played most exclusives,on ps3(sits among deus ex,Halo1,Gears 1,Resident4 and Bioshock as my best games ever)
Maybe all the sony drulling fans should just take in mind that they are lucky enough that most studios inside sony,actually work together and co opperate and exchange ideas on how to overcome the difficult to program ps3!Maybe things were different if "M$"had the expirience of most studios of sony(polyphony,15 years,,konami 15 years and made the ps1 the machine to own,naughty dog,15,insomniac 14 with the amazing disruptor,please a remake!!and santa monica for at least 7years,guerilla7etc..)
And one more thing for them to also consider...maybe if all 360 excusives were nt mostly based on older game engines,for the obvious economical and time consuming reasons(oh,well i think we should run this game on unreal engine 3,it looks great for a 6 yeras old engine,its easy and,it does relieve us from the costs of making a new engine from the ground up for 360 machine!!!lets do that!!says most developers)
Bring on kingdoms and...bring on the last e3's best graphics winner(although kz3 was shown..)RAGE(which was .also..shown on a 360..you see a pattern here!??),to prove some people what a 6 year old console can do with a newer game engine..
CLOAK EN-GAGED!!

[come_stains]

This guy is such a Xbox fan boy makes my stomach sick!.
Screen tearing is screen tearing PERIOD!
you can see it in his own video!
It's a performance analysis for Christ sake! Screen tearing is a performance issue people!!! How do did he fail to mention that.

[RudeSole Devil]

I have to agree with come_stains..

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

Here some screen tearing in your viewing area on the 360.

[RAmar101]

So frame rates come in worse on 360 game during hectic scenes plus screen tearing. Still more or less the same, but reading all the performance problems its hardly best grafix is it?

[AntiHeroComplex]

im a ps3 user. The 360 version looks better because of the higher resolution. It looks much cleaner and less blurry - thats a huge plus.

However this game is def not the graphics king because of:

1. Graphical pop ins. This completely ruins immersion, something good graphics are supposed to provide... But it works the other way around here. You are in a beautiful world where random shit keeps popping out.

2. FPS drops... Console games are supposed to have locked FPS. You dont see it in killzone even with more players playing, mechs etc... so why here?

Its a good looking game but nothing groundbreaking (at lest on consoles), and certainly not close to KZ3.

[TKCMuzzer]

I'm not sure why people are disagreeing with you. After finally getting my hands on Crysis 2 and playing both SP and MP there is no doubt it's a great looking game. Better than KZ3? Yes and no. The setting is far better suited in Crysis 2 to wowing people due to the recognizable architecture used.
But there is no doubt graphics can not be based on looks. When it comes to performance Killzone 3 wins out both in SP and especially MP. Killzone 3's framerate is top notch in the SP and close to it in MP with more players.
Some will say this does not matter but it does, when trying to immerse players in the game, framerate and pop in are big killers as it throws the illusion.
People will still argue it's the best looking game, in screenshot form, yes, in motion,no. (PC not included)

[DrFUD]

This comparison gives me flashbacks to Resident Evil 5.
And once again I'll go with the the more solid release.
It does a little better here and there and most importantly no screen tearing and nothing crippling.
Also thanks to the people posting above it sounds like there might even be 7.1 audio to enjoy Hans Zimmer's soundtrack which is supposedly totally rockin'.
From where I'm sitting the decision looks like a no-brainer.
PS3 for the logical win.

[Tyre]

Enjoy dude!

[andron]

I'll definitely get Crysis 2 for my PS3, when it's on sale later.

Right now I'm playing KZ3 and Bulletstorm and that's enough FPSs for a while.

Also I'm a little disappointed in the frame rate issues presented here. They really should have taken their time and optimized the game properly...

[eliasg]

The problem with PS3 fans is that they will never accept that a multiplatform game (Crysis 2)have succeeded better results than any of their hyped exclusives ( KZ3, U2, MGS4, GOW3 , etc, etc)and even better on XBOX360

[hoops]

They wont because they have een preaching for 3+ years that NO multi-platform game can come close to PS3 exclusives. Crysis 2 does it...they can't except it.

"The crucial thing is that both are phenomenally attractive games, producing effects quite different and in many ways more advanced than anything we've seen elsewhere on console"

No current FPS game on consoles has the technology of the Cryengine 3 running under its hood, looking like Crysis 2 and many people do not want to accept it.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

"Cryengine 3 running under its hood" Including crysis 2 on consoles, oh wait, it does have those features, it just half asses them or doesn't do it at all. But its still graphical king on consoles no doubt..no wait it looks the same as Killzone 3. LOL your funny bro. XD

[XabiDaChosenOne]

So you send me a message yet you block so I can't give you a proper response? So why bother sending me a message? LOL what a little girl XD

[TKCMuzzer]

Well after playing both on my own tv I can say Killzone 3 edges it. Why? because it does all it does without flinching. Crysis 2 looks great but the framerate and pop in problems should not be ignored and unfortunately can't be whilst playing. Lets not go into MP perfromance.

[SCW1982]

Wow your an idiot if you think that's the case. Oh better go, your gonna miss the bus for school!

[TKCMuzzer]

Really, I own both consoles but can not agree with you. Crysis 2 looks great but as the articles proves it does not run great. Anyone who thinks graphics are just about looks should not comment. The above games you mention run smoothly and all look as good if not better than Crysis 2.

[BigPappaPump]

No more than a week ago I stated that Crytek should redo their homework. After seeing various head to heads videos and pictures, I'm having a hard time to see differences between the platforms. Good job Crytek for making any difference extremely minimal. I'm greatful this hasn't turned into another Bayonetta fiasco.

[tudors]

Like I have always thought, all things concidered the PS3 and Xbox-360 are more or less equal, now what we should all do is see how much further they can push the consoles, I am really looking forward to Kingdoms, I expect another groundbreaker from Crytek.

[Grenadan]

360 has the edge in terms of visuals and general performance, but PS3 more than holds its own, bettering the Microsoft platform in some areas.

Crysis 2 runs at native 720p resolution on the Microsoft platform, PS3 operates at a base resolution of 1024x720.

[Thoreau]

You might notice a difference in the aspect ratio of the HUD between the two versions of Crysis 2, with the text and other elements being considerably wider on PS3 than they are on the Xbox 360 release. The reason here is fairly straightforward: while Crysis 2 runs at 1152x720 resolution on the Microsoft platform, PS3 operates at a base resolution of 1024x720. The final framebuffer is then sent out to RSX, where a bilinear upscale gives us the usual 1280x720 output - we see exactly the same differences (along with the reasons behind it) on Starbreeze's Chronicles of Riddick. Updated: Erroneous 360 resolution now corrected.

kz3=720p

[Holeran]

Wow, it seems that IGN were talking out their ass about the game being that much worse on the PS3. Giving the PS3 lower scores for what seems to be an outright toss up is straight bull.... If digital foundry can't recommend one console over the other why did IGN tell everyone to buy the 360 version?

[BigPappaPump]

Because IGN is M$' pet bitch.

[come_stains]

How come DF didn't factor in the screen tearing issues present on the Xbox version! Right there in his videos!

It's a performance analysis! Screen tearing is a performance issue!!!

[RyuDrinksTheDew]

"Interestingly, similar to Halo: Reach and Dragon Age: Origins, we do see the odd tear at the very top of the screen on the Xbox 360 version, but this is basically invisible during gameplay."

read the article man.

[MGRogue2017]

So there ya have it.. Xbox 360 version wins in terms of performance & looks.

PS3 = 1024x720

Xbox 360 = 1280x720

Higher frame rate on X360 as well..

[coldfoot]

Actually, they've revised the 360 resolution to 1152x720.

[MGRogue2017]

doesn't really make a difference lol.. the frame rate & resolution are still higher on the 360 version.

[coldfoot]

Digital foundry has updated their article, 360 resolution is 1152x720, not full 720p.

[truegame]

How come no one talk about audio in the face off? Many of us have good 5.1 and 7.1 systems. We enjoy audio as much as the video.

[Achemki]

How come LOT caught the screen tearing while DF ignored it despite catching it in their own video feed? That's not cool. It's supposed to be a full analysis. What if someone wanted the no-tear version? They screwed up on the res' too. Rush job.

[Tempjf]

Because it appears that DF favors the Xbox slightly more.
DF get's such a high praise on N4G about how good and thorough job he does on his performance analysis but he never addresses the screen tearing issues the Xbox has. Why does He ignored this performance issue? He did this in his ME2 comparison and now Cry2.

Is screen tearing not a performance issue?

[VonBraunschweigg]

Damn damn damn now I still don't know which one to get. I already love the game just for that. Not paying for Live so if it's for MP it has to be PS3, unfortunately the PS3 beta wasn't up to standards, I liked it but only so much. For this game the campaign seems more important to me, and that seems to run better on 360, except with all guns blazing. And so on. First Lens of Truth, now this. I give up, I just don't know which one to get. Perhaps the cheapest version, spend the rest on booze, enjoy the blur.

[Masterchef2007]

WARNING If you are an XBOX or a Bluboy please refrain from reading my comment as it will be extremely offesive to people of your nature

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If i had both consoles i would pick up the 360 version of crysis due to its better resolution. However since i only own a PS3 i dont see the point in buying a 360 in order to enjoy a version of a game that is only a tiny bit better.

I could always sell my PS3 and get a 360 but that isnt worth it either to me. Because if i did that i would be missing out on a ton of great exclusives on the PS3. So in the end it isnt worth it buying a 360 just for Crysis 2 and in general multiplats that are a tiny bit better.

[strickers]

I own both and the technical differences of multi plats aren't even worth skipping trophies for,let alone buying a 2nd console.

I think people are insane to buy a 360 NOW.
If you a buying a next gen console now,it has to be PS3.The differences here are so slight that without equipment to measure most wouldn't see 360s advantages.
Maybe if you put them side by side and stand 3 ft from a 42" Tv.
Whereas,this year so far I'm playing ME2(late and once exclusive 360),PixelJunk Shooter 2,LBP2,KZ3(superb multi player).
I'm actually skipping Crysis 2 in favour of LA Noire because I have too much to play.
I've even lent my 360 to a friend.

[PirateThom]

Yeah, I also own both but I've pretty much given up on everything bar exclusives on the 360, a minor resolution difference like this isn't enough to change my view of playing games on PS3.

Mostly because my PS3 is actually connected to the TV at the moment and the 360 needs batteries for the controller and I've misplaced my battery charger in moving.

[Masterchef2007]

Wow i wasnt expecting so many replys so quickly. But i am glad to see that some people agree with me.

[baodeus]

no one would be offensive by that. That is your decision and well why would i oppose you for doing what you want. Although from the record, i think Sony fanboy care more about that (or maybe just on N4G). U don't know how many times have i gotten private messages from sony fanboy telling me to sell my "shitty" x360 for a PS3 that does everything (funny cause it doesn't pay my mortgage, social life, social entertainment, and many other importants living necessity, and it doesn't do multiplatform either). And please if u gonna pm me, save the BS because I do own ps3 as well.

Just because you guys take as offensive like: NPD results, better multiplatform on x360, kinect out sell move, ps3 outselling x360 since release, more and better ps3 exclusives, etc....it doesn't mean other as well. No one actually fuckin care (again beside n4G fanboy). If you guys are true gamer, then what do you think is the most important as a gamer? It is the game damit, not the console. If you guys can't afford it, then just pick one and stop the fanboy BS.

[Masterchef2007]

I feel you man. I constantly receive hate mail. I remember that there was this User called OMEGA and after i ignored him he created another account just to harrass me. Its incredible really many times i was told by bots to get rid of my PS3 for a 360 because of the vastly superior multiplats. When in the end the 2 are extremely close and what matters me the most are the games. And sony has always had the gaems that i like the most so i got a PS3 for that reason.

I will admit though that i will miss some games on the 360 but i will not buy one again because i am fine having one console.

[byeGollum]

so .. the best looking console game runs better and also has the "visual edge" on Xbox360. Y'all have been told multiple times the consoles are as powerful as eachother, the first thing you do is list exclusives games :D..

While I do admit the ps3 has a quantity of quality games, that doesn't mean it's a super computer as some of you have led yourselves to believe.

Progress, that's what we gamers want.

[PirateThom]

But, the argument isn't that Cyrsis 2 looks good it's that it's lacking a lot of things that those PS3 exclusives have, like HD resolutions, for one thing.

[P_Bomb]

Fair point. What's the gameplay benefit in looking pretty if you go sub-par in 6 other categories in the process (eg. frames, resolution, screen tearing, glitchy AI, pop-in, texture loading etc)? Dead Space 2 didn't have any of these cross-platform issues.

People are so fixated on one subjective opinion from an IGN guy who I never even heard of before yesterday, that they can't see the forest from the trees. All just to say "my dad can beat up your dad". The 3D isn't even the best on the market according to DF. But the hype is so through the roof that people are missing things. Even DF missed the screen tearing in their own captures.

[Ace_1975]

Sheesh all this BS so one side of the fanboys can claim victory. Sad mutha Fuckas. Just play the damn game it's not going to matter once the next big game comes out because you'll all be bitching about that and trying to claim victory over some trivial small shit that means nothing.

It's a sorry state of affairs, that is all.

[BlackTar187]

i applaud you sir and 100% agree

[BigPappaPump]

Well said Ace.

[RandomDude655]

Guys that have the ps3 version.....force it to 720p. Trust me.

[dkgshiz]

I wonder how many people even played this game for the gameplay side of things? Is this just a graphical demonstration?

[xtremegamerage]

If only things were that simple.

Better shadow quality PS3
Better AF PS3
Higher frames while action is going on - PS3
Tripple buffered + vsync (not only keeps image stable, knocks 10-15fps off final output, you guys just forget that. Uncapped PS3 would be pushing well over 30fps, and i wish crytek would have given the option.
Better 3d - PS3
Better sound - 7.1 - PS3

Higher rez on 360
Higher overall fps on 360
Lower fps during mayhem
- 360
Screentear - 360

Not so simple is it.

And you know the only reason the PS3 rez was dropped was because of ram usage - 14mb. Yet they could have saved that doing mlaa, which i've just seen on the PC version of crysis 2.

PS3 is nowhere near maxed out graphically on this game.

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Triple buffering
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In computer graphics, triple buffering is a variant on double buffering, a technique for drawing graphics that shows no (or less) flicker, shearing, and tearing artifacts.

Triple buffering attempts to provide a speed improvement over double buffering. In real life applications, this often involves trying to abstract the graphics drawing operations from being synchronized with the monitor's refresh rate. Typically this involves frames being drawn at a rate lower than or higher than the monitor's frame rate (a variable frame rate) without the usual effects this would cause (namely flickering, shearing and tearing).

Due to the software algorithm not having to poll the graphics hardware for monitor refresh events, the algorithm is free to run as fast as possible. This is not the only method of triple buffering available, but is the most prevalent on the PC architecture where the speed of the target machine is highly variable.

Another method of triple buffering involves synchronizing with the monitor frame rate, and simply using the third buffer as a method of providing breathing room for changing demands in the amount of graphics drawn. This is the use of a buffer in the true sense whereby the buffer acts as a reservoir. Such a method requires a higher minimum specification of the target hardware but provides a consistent (vs. variable) frame rate. This is the case when using triple buffering in DirectX, where a chain of 3 buffers are rendered and always displayed.

Triple buffering implies three buffers, but the method can be extended to as many buffers as is practical for the application. Usually, there is no advantage to using more than three buffers.

[Tuxedo_Mask]

I don't know why everyone is arguing about which system Crysis 2 plays better on, from what I read it's a glitch filled game that has a lot of lag no matter what it's played on.

[gamer7804]

It's always been apparent that graphics are more closely tied to the game engine and the developers behind it much moreso than the console it runs on. Either is capable of some pretty amazing stuff, with the right effort.

[Bob570]

Once again, they look the same. Only the PC version looks better.

[IHateYouFanboys]

picked it up on 360 and im just blown away, it looks incredible.

the multiplayer has improved significantly over the beta/demo both in terms of graphics and gameplay. much more stable framerate, aliasing is virtually non-existant, and no noticeable bugs.

on topic - the 360 version perfoms better apart from what they even say were a tiny handful of scenarios where the PS3 version holds its framerate slightly better. ill take the version with the higher resolution, less blurry picture, better graphics, better framerate 99% of the time, and that all my friends will have and play online - the 360 version.

i also had Killzone 3 and Crysis 2 running at the same time on the same tv via the same connection method (HDMI) at the same resolution (720p), and switching between them Crysis 2 wins by a country mile. everythings much cleaner, more defined, and doesnt have a grain filter over it like Killzone 3 does. the lighting in Crysis 2 is just phenomenal, a generation ahead of everything else on consoles today.

so now that we've gotten past the whole 'wait for digital foundrys analysis, then we'll see who the winner is' phase, and the 360 version has come out on top - however marginally you might think it is - the PS3 fanboys will admit that the 'only possible on PS3' tagline is a myth, right? because here we have the best looking console game ever, and it looks better, runs better, and runs at a higher resolution on the 360 than on the PS3.

game. set. match.

[Achemki]

A country mile that's sub-HD? Documented frame drops, screen tears, pop-in, delayed texture loads, shadow issues and lesser 3D are a generation ahead? Bragging about which AI looks better as it's glitched on a corner seems kinda moot.

I'm actually looking forward to LOT's inevitable KZ3/C2 head2head for that reason, because from a technical standpoint, not to be confused with an artistic one, it's impossible to lie knowing what we know. You either chug or you don't.

[IHateYouFanboys]

for the last time, 1152x720 is NOT SUB-HD.

REPEAT- 1152x720 is NOT sub-hd. it is HD in every meaning of the word. you might not choose to believe it, but it doesnt change the fact that it is.

and yes, ill take 1152x720 with Real Time Global Illumination, the best dynamic lighting system ever seen in a game, fantastic texture work, fully dynamic incredibly realistic looking water that reflects/refracts light, great per-object motion blur, environmental destruction, etc over 1280x720 with none of that.

Killzone 3 has documented frame drops too, have you even played it? i own it, and it very much drops down to and below 20fps quite regularly. screen tear? you mean tearing in the top few lines of the screen in ~1% of frames? you do realise how little 1% is dont you? youd be hard pressed to ever actually see it. Killzone 3 has pop-in too - go into the 'stealth' jungle level and as youre walking, watch GEOMETRY - not just textures - magically start patching in in the 'trees' around you. they come on when you get a certain distance away, so you can actually find that distance and walk 1 step forward and they materialize, then walk 1 step back and they disintegrate right in front of your eyes. 1 step forward and BAM! there they are again. 1 step back, gone again.

from a TECHNICAL standpoint, the only thing that Killzone 3 has over Crysis 2 is native resolution. thats it. CryEngine 3 is pulling off so many technical things that Killzone 3 doesnt even attempt that its not even a fair comparison. hell, Killzone 3 doesnt even have HDR lighting! fact. Killzone 3 doesnt even use depth of field when you look down the sights of your gun!

[coldfoot]

Everything below 1280x720 is sub-HD by definition, and Killzone 3 has far better frame rate than Crysis 2, and a better AA solution, so stop your trolling.

[lagoonalight]

You see I have also done what you claim to have done and I don't agree with you at all, not one single bit except for the global illumination which isn't really all that unless we see it at work in real time all the time to make a difference that matters. KZ3 has some pretty awesome lighting itself and to say it doesn't is completely biased.

You act like resolution does not matter. Technically, dude, 720p IS NOT HD. HD is 1080p period. Anything below 1280x720p is subHD by anybody's standard so give it a rest.

Your other points are ridiculous. You sound like some fanboy repeating bullet points from some half-assed tech site. Per object motion blur lol. KZ2 used this and to great effect. GG didn't want it for this game and used a different motion blur. Nobody cares. Water. You are vastly overstating this. U2 STILL has a generation lead over any of these two games and KZ3 actually has some very nice water equal or better than Crysis if you cared to play it. The AI in KZ3 is leagues! ahead of anything Crysis is doing. This is not even arguable if you have played both games. AI is a huge resource hog as well. KZ3 does drop frames but not NEAR crysis level which on the 360 drops as low as 14FPS LOFL.

You also are confusing in that you state no tech in KZ3 and act like the game does nothing special. The polygon levels used in the structure of the geometry are a league ahead of console Crysis as is the MLAA when it works correctly. The AA solution on CRY2 on consoles is absolutely horrible at any given time. There are low res textures everywhere in the game. Even PC fans are bitching about low res textures on 1080p!

KZ3 is in a league of its own when it comes to detail on console FPS. This is not even debatable. And what about the OTHER HALF! I own both systems. I own a pro calibrated 42 inch Local dimming LED. KZ3 has 7.1 LPCM sound that is glorious in every way. Cry2 has Dolby fucking Digital from two decades ago!

You act like global illumination is somehow this godsend that makes everything Cry2 does horribly okay. No, it's doesn't. Cry2 is not some open world game where you can stare at sunsets all day. The action is what matters. Need it be mentioned how lacking and unambitious the story is in CRY2. Much worse than anything in KZ2 which isn't that great either though there are more than a couple well acted sequences. Env. Destruction is way toned down from Cry1 it's not even worth mentioning. Sure it is a bit more than KZ3 but honestly I don't think I care at all. Some things are done well in Cry2 but many things are just cloned from CoD.

Need we talk about their laughable 6v6 multiplayer? Are you kidding me. KZ3 has full on 12v12 in maps that are insanely detailed though I do not like a lot of them at this point. The guns are a fuckton more realistic and just simply much better to handle in every category.

[lagoonalight]

I will leave you with a couple screenshots. It really does disappoint me when fanboys grab onto tech terms and then use this insane hyperbole to distinguish between what they have no clue about. As if you have any fucking clue what these guys are programming and how it matters. You hear bullet points and you repeat theme infinitely while hammering home some useless point while acting like you are not biased. In no way do you make any valid points about anything. KZ3 is prone to geometry draw in. Crysis is home to some INSANE POP IN where objects are just popping in all over the place at all times. It is a much more subtle and much better effect on KZ3 by a mile though it is clear KZ3 suffers from this at times.

Screenshots because we know you are full of bull.

KZ3:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Crysis 2 360:
http://images.eurogamer.net...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ga...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ga...

Now I chose some decent Cry2 shots there. All of these are direct feed. I would like you to tell me what the hell you are smoking cuz I need some of it. You obviously have no fucking unbiased blood in you. From these captures it is beyond a reasonable doubt that KZ3 crushes this game in many areas. Notably, even on the 360, Cry2 can mimic the look of a PS2 game with high res and nice lighting. The detail in the game at times is horrible to say the least and it runs like crap. Nice try though. Rage should be here anytime and you can hype that one over U2 or whatever.

[lagoonalight]

And the water is confirmed to be looking slightly better on the PS3 version of CRY2! you dumbass! Look in the comments on DF. Leadbetter had to correct various things his bias forgot to.

[strickers]

You really are a chimp.You are a fanboy and you wear fanboy glasses.People like you make gamers look like idiots.Why are you still clinging to the 360 more powerful argument?It's not and 1 decent multi by the worlds best tech devs(with PC as lead platform)will not change anything.
The PS3 is best when things are built for it and the 360 games have slight advantages when things are multi.
Most 360 exclusives do fall short when compared to their 360 counterparts and by a margin.That's the truth.
KZ3 still looks better to me,it certainly runs better and has far less technical problems.
This game does not play to PS3s advantages and that's the difference,so when people say games are only possible in current form on PS3,it still holds true.
You like talking tech but seem to understand little.

[baodeus]

and then i see a bunch of you guys talking about how other people don't know anything about tech....then chattered on without any discussion of the technical aspect that you fond of except posting some pictures. Then perhaps you guys should give some technical explanation then, enlighten other people and show that you aren't monkeys and chimps.

[4Sh0w]

Well Ive been playing the game all day on 360, no problems, but I never notice minor framerate drops, insignificant glitches, or count pixels, I just play games,and Crytek made a beast with this engine, graphics are jaw dropping, game plays great Im sure ps3 version plays just fine too, the game is awesome!

[fullmetal297]

Seriously, typical gameplay is around 20-25 frames for consoles and at one point the frames went down to 12? This is just unacceptable and I might as well watching a powerpoint slideshow.

[lee_ten]

crysis 2 is fun so far. just bought it today for myself. that's what matters to me.

[g-nome]

Lets go and enjoy the game people , enough trash talking.

[citan]

I think Crytek did really good job for the first time on consoles. I'm supporting them with PS3 version and PC version in future. As for X360, you guys should wait for Kingdoms, whatever it is. As an exclusive, it will surely be much improved in terms of framerate and pop-ins.

[RAmar101]

Lmao @ fanboys who are using crysis 2 as a sort of shining light for their console. Ps3 has had

*LBP2
*KZ3
*Trinity zil
*Ar-tonec
*Hyperdemention N
*Splinter cell HD collection
*Tomb raider HD collection
*Motorstorm apoc
*Socom 4
*Infamous 2
*White knight C 2
*Free realms (few more days left)

The above is and will be on ps3 only from jan-june which also includes Crysis 2

So please don't try and latch onto Crysis 2 differences to try make your system look better because as far as games go microsoft hasn't released anything.

I've tried Crysis 2 on both, seriously they look and play the same but I'd harly call it best grafix, I would deffo howerver give it best level design in FPS its just incredible

[BABY-JEDI]

Wow, that was a fascinating read on NIT PICKING the NITS. As we can all see, there really isn't a world of difference between the 360 version & the PS3, unless you really like Nit Picking.
I don't. 0~0

[mastershredder]

Hilarious. I love how people playing on PC are simply stating what their average frame rate experiences are and people...no wait children feel it necessary to hit the disagree button. Talk about some bitter little shit heads. I guess the console fairy sprinkled magic dust on their 300 dollar console to make it out perform everything.