Geohot asks for donations, sets up a new blog!

PSX-Scene: geohot has finally decided, after discussing the matter with his lawyers, to open a donation link to support his growing Legal fees in the fight against Sony. He has also setup a new blog with updates on the case.

[Godmars290]

I wonder if Sony offered this guy some kind of settlement would he be smart enough to take it.

Not that I see Sony doing anything of the sort, but then obviously this guy isn't going to back down. Was stupid for taking this as far as he has, especially considering that he'll still be in court when the PS5 is announced. If he's lucky that is.

@jeeves86
Pretty sure that because it is Sony suing him, that if he came to them saying he'd cooperate they'd drop the suit. Of course he's not going to do that.

[jeeves86]

That would only work if 'he' were suing them.

[mrv321]

The problem I see with this is that hacking in on itself ISN'T illegal, however if you get PAID for it I think it's far easier to prosecute. Esoecially if you can this to piracy. And as such I am donating $1 with the message; 'This is to Geohot, the hacker, without his hacking I wouldn't have been able to give him money. He saved me so much by allowing piracy'

Again, I don't pirate.

[captain-obvious]

this guys reputation is already bad when it comes to talking about legal stuff

the creator of Iphone jail Break
which lets ppl download anything for free from the app store

Sony's lawyers could use this fact to make him look worse than he already is

[rroded]

meh who cares...
bigger fish ta fry peeps.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[VenomProject]

@rroded

I stopped watching after I heard the term "members of the 9/11 truth movement."

[zag]

Only proves he is after money for hacking the PS3.

[FailOverHero]

I'm not suprised you didn't try reading the article/post as a whole, it is pretty long and I'm sure by the time he started dissing SONY you were too annoyed to continue. However had you continued you'd have read this:
What if SCEA tries to settle? Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It'd be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I'm also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.

[Godmars290]

Didn't read for the plain simple fact I'm tired of the story and would like it to go away. This idiot is in the process of ruining his life over some stupid consumer device that's going to be made redundant in a few years and it would be nice if someone on the Sony side pointed such out to him with the option of making all this crap go away if he in turn showed some sign of common sense.

Nevermind all this got sarted in the first place because he was trying to exploit otherOS.

[FailOverHero]

I find it silly to say you didn't read the whole thing because you are tired of the whole story and want it to go away. Yet here you are not only commenting but asking hypothetical questions that have already been answered in the post and creating more debate on the story you want to go away.
If you really wanted it to go away you wouldn't contribute to it by asking questions about it.

[jeeves86]

By the time Sony would settle, he'd be in no position to negotiate any terms. Sony will purposely drag out the case until he has nothing left.

Honestly, the only negotiation I think they'll work with is "you stop now, sign your name to the line that states you will never do this again for any system that Sony creates, and we won't pound your ass into the ground financially."

[insomnium2]

@fail

Why won't you just roll over and die already. Waste of breath.

[P_Bomb]

GeoHot's not one to talk about anyone apologising for good PR. He and the others hacks should apologise to everyone that just wants to play games. Why publically disperse the codes in the 1st place? I didn't need them.

F*&$ Other OS and anyone still bringing it up in 2011. You don't need or use OS to play games. It's the hackers that wasted MY time with these latest firmware patches that would never have been necessary had they kept it for themselves in the first place. Don't waste MY time then beg like a dog for MY money.

[NeutralGamer]

If just Geohot had behaved more like a hacker/cracker and sticked to the usual anonymous appereance on forums and IRC... Then Sony would not know who he was and sue him so fast?

Its his own fault that each time he hacks a device he has to act like a superstar and appear on TV shows (remember when he was in TV, because he jailbroke the iPhone?)

[joeorc]

what you an other's are failing to take into account...an George just proved with this post is:

the consumer does not get to decide what goes open source an what does not. the people who created it does! no consumer has that right to tell any company what software to go open source!, that's what this real issue is about.

these game consoles are embedded system's they are made a certain way. you can buy the hardware but the software on the system does not belong to you. at all! you are granted a licence, not ownership. forcing a company to make their system open source is just asking for trouble!

if you want an open source system , there are plenty of companies that offer such a system already it's called a PC hardware, it's already made to allow the consumer to put what ever Software OS you want.

Game consoles are embedded system's.
they are not PC's. What Sony offered was the ability to allow the "Other OS" to be installed through the XMB in the phat. before the PS3 slim went to market Sony removed the ability of Install Other OS. george cannot tell a company to put it back because it did not ship with it at point of sale. if he wanted to keep it he could on any PRE playstation 3 slim. but that's not what george want's he want's it put into the PS3 slim also.

thus it's not his choice..it's Sony's !

forceing the consumer's will on a company is just as bad when you claim that a company is stepping on you right's. you cannot have it both way's.

[zag]

I don't think he'll get much money anyway.

He'd be failing on 2 points that the judge wants him to comply with.

The getting money and the hosting of the files off the net.

He's screwed just on those points now.

His lawyer has failed him by not telling him the truth and that is he's going to be screwed.

Sony can just say well it was removed because Geohot had said he was using it to hack the PS3.

He posted this up all over the place is also on 50,000 news sites hosted as well.

It's no good saying I only did it to get Linux back on the system when it was already there in the first place working.

This a DMCA court case he has to now prove he didn't hack the PS3 and the dickhead just can't stop telling everyone he hacked the system.

He's guilty of what Sonys says right now that is how this law works, people don't understand because your guilty first not innocent.

[beardpapa]

I just wanted to say that it was the hacking that led to Sony removing OtherOS. Geohot's proposal and wanting of having it back is just bull. I bet if Sony did bring it back, the hackers won't even bother to touch it anymore considering they've already jailbroken the PS3 using Geohot's method.

[Enigma_2099]

@FailOverHero

Why sure... just as soon as the idiot puts a stop to all the pirating that's taking place because of his "noble crusade" to bring back Other OS support... Oh, and he has to make sure it never becomes an issue again! Not to mention replacing all the money that they lost due to the pirates in the first place because of this. If he can pull that off, why I bet Sony would pay his air fare to Sony HQ and shake his hand in public on the front lawn...

What, that too much to ask for? So's an apology. Screw him, his supporters, his noble crusade, AND his article!!!

[tatotiburon]

Go geohot i will kdonate, anyone that piss off ps3fanboys so gkod deserve.my money

[BrokenGamez]

thats a pretty fanboyish statement in its self lol

[gamingdroid]

All I have to say is:

"Sony doesn't care if what you did was legal, if they don't like it, they sue. Sony tried to sue a guy for getting his AIBO to do non Sony approved tricks, making it apparent that they don't really care about piracy, they care about control. In (Sony vs Bleem), Bleem was the winner on all counts, but the high cost of a legal defense shut them down."

"Who are they[Sony] to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property?
fail0verflow's goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony illegally stole, Linux on your PS3. It's shameful on Sony's part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don't sue people who point out your shortcomings."

I'M DONATING!!! This has far more reaching implications than a simply console war that nobody really cares about anyhow.

[jf3sh13]

@ gaming droid,
The hardware is your property not the software, you do not have the the right to run any software you want on the ps3 the user agreement states it clearly if you read it, it even states that sony has the right to add or remove software at any time with or without your permission, they don't even have to notify you first, all of the things that people want to do illegally on there ps3, they can do legally on there pc (except piracy) you can run any os you want but on the ps3 when you click "I agree" on the user agreement you are entering a legal contract, you would do well to read it next time

[hiredhelp]

tatotiburon
Go geohot i will kdonate, anyone that piss off ps3fanboys so gkod deserve.my money

well just incase your a 360 fanboy. for most of us that are upset about this it doesnt mean we ps3 fanboys.

and if you wanted to act like a child. then take a note.
IF this was ok and we rolled over like microsoft

microsoft would be in real sh*t as the hardware sales would rocket on the ps3.

[gamingdroid]

You would do well to know that whatever you sign or agree to, doesn't take away your rights.

I don't care what Sony puts on their agreement, if I'm unhappy with what they do, I have a right to voice my opinion. There is boat load of crap in that agreement and I bet you most of it isn't legal even!

I haven't modified my console, and lack of OtherOS or even Custom Firmware doesn't affect me, but I don't like how Sony is trampling all over me so I will stand up for my rights.

But hey, if you are ok with Sony removing features after the fact and take away more of your rights, then all means don't say anything and enjoy your games!!!

[ATiElite]

I'm gonna make this as easy as I can so everyone understands.

He's Screwed!! Sony is gonna make an example out of this guy and I'm sure Steve Jobs over at Apple has even volunteered some of their Lawyers to help Sony.

Giant International Corporation vs. Loud Mouth Arrogant Geek = Maximum Carnage!! Sony is gonna unleash the fury of kratos on this Ass Clown. I under estimated what Geo Hot did but he really opened up the PS3 and now PS3 games are free, just like 360, Wii, and PC.

I'm gonna donate NEGATIVE ZERO to his legal fees. oh and heres a big middle finger to you to Geo Not!!

[nickjkl]

uh doubt it by the time the ps5 comes out sony would drop the case the guy has already accumulated like 10k court room fees after what 3 months do you think he can keep this up for 10 to 20 years

its obvious sony knows the guy cant pay them for how ever much if they were to win and they know he cant pay for his court fees now

they are just trying to ruin his life put him in a grave he cant get out of

which is the only way to punish some one like this

[RufustheKing]

I hope that this kid is living on the streets by june. Nothing like a kid playing in a mans world and not knowing to quit while your ahead.

Geoshot my boy, Karma is a Bitch and so are you.

[MUNKYPOO]

I would rather donate money to Sony to see this guy lose or be buried in debt. People like this ruin gaming for everyone. We would still have stuff like Other OS and probably more features on PSN but sony has to use their resources to combat against this stuff.

[morkendo23]

a donation?? is he FKing kidding after all this mess and he want innocent gamers to help with his problem??? lmfao

[facelike]

Sorry dude, I agree with you. Hit the wrong button

[jeeves86]

This is actually good news for Sony and their lawyers. Him reaching out to the community for support shows that he is running out of money to pay for his legal team.

Even hackers and pirates won't help him for long. Pirates don't want to pay for anything. All Sony has to do is wait it out for a little while longer and he'll exhaust all of his resources.

[FantasyStar]

"This is actually good news for Sony and their lawyers. Him reaching out to the community for support shows that he is running out of money to pay for his legal team. "

Y'know.....Sony did this to Lik-Sang too and they shut down for the exact reasons you're hoping against geohot.

Fuck you dude, I loved Lik-Sang. If geohot's going down: I want it to go down in the court of law, not because geohot DNF. That's lame in a bag.

[jeeves86]

Sorry, but Geohot was naive. Naive being a pretty generous descriptor here. You can't just go up against a company and expect something like this not to happen. Same goes for Lik-Sang. Throw stones at the bee hive, expect to be stung.

And that's the way the system works, how many cases do you think actually go to trial compared to how many suits are filed? They'll likely settle out of court once he has exhausted his resources.

[FantasyStar]

Are you kidding me?!

Lik-Sang did nothing wrong and didn't have a vendetta against anybody. I don't have an opinion about geohot but Lik-Sang was a victim of corporate bullying. Forced out of business because it ran out of money to fight Sony in court. A fight Lik-Sang didn't start or provoked! Now how is that justice to anybody other than Sony?!!

You can't ever prove that Lik-Sang was in the wrong because the court case was never resolved! How can you sit there and thank Sony for putting honest people out of work?!

I don't think much for this whole hacker situation but Lik-Sang was awesome and it died a pauper's death.

[Dante112]

What BS. Lik Sang was selling illegal pirated games, mod chips as well as homebrewing equipment (which lead to even more hacking). That's why they got sued, even Microsoft and Nintendo filed lawsuits along with Sony.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[FantasyStar]

If you spent more than 10 seconds reading what you just posted. You'd realize that the piracy lawsuit was back in 2002. Lik-Sang restructured and was legit ever since.

Do you even shop at Lik-Sang or do you like to not think before you post?

You'd probably win this argument against ignorant people like yourself, but I and many others, were legitimate customers of Lik-Sang to the point we'd use Lik-Sang as a verb. I got my Xbox to PC Adapter from those guys as well as PS2 to PC adapters and import games that were very affordable, despite international shipping.

Take your phony BS talk elsewhere. Don't confuse Lik-Sang with geohot.

[Dagobert]

Lik-Sang made money selling mod chips, how is that not doing anything wrong? It doesn't matter if they stopped selling pirating tools, they started importing systems to other regions breaking release dates. Sony had every reason to take them to court. The only reason you liked Lik-Sang was because of all the mod chips you bought and the stack of DVD-R's you have in jewel cases each containing a pirated game.

Edit:
A. You're not going to show me your bank statement.
B. Oh yeah big corporate bully is making your life hard because they're forcing you to buy games because they want to make money. Shame on Sony for not playing Abbe Pierre.
C. Yes, I created my account two days ago. Thanks for clicking on my user name and doing a little stalking. Thanks brah, one love, no homo.

[FantasyStar]

The cute angry Sony-Pony's assuming that anyone that's not on Sony's side of corporate bullying is obviously a pirate. I would love to prove you wrong with all the bank statements and order history from Lik-Sang that shows all the crap I ordered from them.

But even after showing you that, you'll still come up with a way to pin the blame on Lik-Sang: an online store you never used, but never fail to bash it.

Talk out your ass some more. No wonder you're down to 3 bubbles.

I'm going to go log off and play some Uncharted 2 on my PLAYSTATION 3 ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM cause it's triple cash time.

Or do you want to assume I pirated that too?

EDIT: I noticed you created your account 2 days ago. Interesting :)

[jeeves86]

@ Fantasy Star

This isn't even about Lik-Sang, but having done approximately 1 minute of wiki search I can see that the last court ruled that Lik-Sang was infringing on Sony's rights...

I'd feel a little more sympathetic if if they'd been found not guilty of any wrong-doing. If you're guilty, you're guilty. Like I said, throw stones at the hive, expect to get stung.

[insomnium2]

Fantasystar loses on this one.

[maverick40]

@ fantasystar Shut up crying pussy. go back to your basement. This guy is finished. If this guy had any bit of intelligence he would have just took it down straight away. Now he is black marked for life, good luck trying to get a job.

[beardpapa]

legit ever since? I remember Lik-Sang still sold those R4s after being "legit". When I was finally interested in one was when they shut down.

[BubloZX]

your an idiot lol!!!!!

[SilverSlug]

I'm sad on what happen to Lik-Sang, but this Geohot thing... not so much.

[Joshnug123]

Sony has money to spend on lawsuits and geohots is never going to be able to pay his growing legal fees by donations

[Moentjers]

well, Sony can ask the list of donations and check their ID's...

[jack_burt0n]

lol its taken a month for him to be sunk financially.

[Cajun Chicken]

He just knows the people that want to play retail games for free are going to jump on this. Keep on hiding behind 'liberating something you own' malarkey. It's only going to work for so long.

I hope that the pirates keep their pirate attitude getting nothing for free. That would be ironic, wouldn't it? What are you going to do next Geohot? Complain about people not giving money for your services and abusing your hard work and respect...hang on...that would be UBER ironic.

[gamingisnotacrime]

bubbles up sir

that was some good sht

[-Alpha]

He's still winning this LAWLsuit...right? Right??

[shoddy]

no one will defend him for free.

even he won the case, he loose like a 100grand to the lawer.

[-Alpha]

I imagine they green-lit the e-begging pretty fast

[annus]

Or you know, if Sony loses they have to pay the legal fees.

"o hai guys, how about 5 billion of us all take some franchise to court over nothing, and even when they win and the lawyer only costs 1 dollar, they still lose 5 billion dollars!!!!!111!!!!"

Not how it works braaaaa.

[Biggest]

Um. . . What? I'm not sure what you're trying to say, annus. Please understand that Sony didn't have to hire any lawyers for this. They'll probably have some court fees in the end, but the lawyers are already on the payroll. They aren't "losing" any real money.

[blackburn5]

No one really cares. Do you really think if he loses that anyone will care? If he loses I will wake up, turn on my unhacked PS3 and play my brought games while saving up for Sony's awesome line up this year. Do you really think I care if you have to pay Sony damages for the rest of your life? Sony is a multi-billion dollar company while you are just a low life hacker. They can keep this up longer then you can.

[siliticx]

You do realize this guy impacted the market and technology trends so hard in the past, he actually started a wave that made jailbreaking LEGAL under the DMCA. What you are basicly saying here is that 1) Youwouldnt want that for your console and 2) You want corporations to let companies have complete access over your hardware and they can do whatever the F they want with it, even 3 years after you actually purchased it?

Irony.

[jerethdagryphon]

he made unlocking phones leagal, jailbreaking the apps was permitted as a side effect

most peole still assume jailbreaking is unlocking the service provider unless there a iphone techy

[siliticx]

hummm no. He made jailbreaking legal.

[SwampCroc]

"For example, if I was taken to court for sex crimes in Sweden, I would never ask for donations"

so why are you asking for money now??

you did something and you knew the possibility of trouble was there... and sure enough that trouble has found you...

you have dug yourself a hole.... and only you can get yourself out...

[alien626]

correction: he dug himself a hole and he not getting out of this

[Octo1]

Like I have said before Sony is just hitting the guy in the wallet just to make his life hell.Sony knows winning this case is a very very small victory due to the hack is out and available in the internet.Sony is counting on by winning this case it will scare off a few would be hackers and it some what already have.If your going to make Sony lose money, then they will make you lose money as well.Question is who will run out of money first?

[dktxx2]

If pirates won't pay for games, why would they pay for his legal fees?

[GSpartan777]

To bad you can't pirate legal fees ;)

[karl]

there are so retards in the comment section of his donation page saying they will send him money

and @GenoZStriker

that was a total WIN xD

[AccountClosed57029]

Maybe because they aren't pirates? Is everyone so fucking stupid and blind that they can't come up with this reasoning/conclusion/facts whatever the hell you want to call it?

[siliticx]

because I don't pirate games? hell the game tried to prevent backup managers for gods sake

[Xfanboy]

Im donation $1000..

[DontShoot-Me-Bro]

I'm donation? that's keeeewl bro but I think you meant...

I'm donating $1000

[shoddy]

Geofrodo will need like $50grand.

[unknownhero1123]

I'm willing to bet you don't have $1000 to spend. $10 maybe....

[Urrakia34]

Screw this guy, don't donate crap!!!

[patapon]

Oh no, I will gladly send him crap

[daylo]

Great minds think alike!
Give nothing

[turgore]

I'll gladly donate...MY FIST IN HIS MOUTH !

[badz149]

that's gross! keep it in the face!

[MGRogue2017]

Don't give him any money!

[Orionsangel]

Yeah let's donate to ruin gaming for everybody. Let's hack the planet! No more laws. Let's just do whatever we want and hide behind nonexistent laws. Anarchy!

[palaeomerus]

Lets make up a string of dumb sounding baby shit that really has nothing to do with anything ! That'll teach Geohot how $#@$ing clueless and unimportant we are!

[jerethdagryphon]

his response was there suing me for hacking my own ps3...

no there sueing you cause you posted the encryption keys on the flipping web.

[Kon]

He should find a real job. Imagine the potential that he have. If only he used his potential to actually do something that benefits the community.

[DarkBlood]

so your saying humans only exist to benifit other humans sounds like slave talk to me in a sense?

[Kon]

You got it all wrong.

[rezzah]

He means that putting your mind to work for the benefit of society which also includes yourself.

To make life better or easier in a complex world. Rather than to spend it fidgeting with electronics to make your "background" look nice or play games for free.

[Biggest]

What the hell? There are actually people that believe a job is equal to slavery? This world needs a purging.

[DFresh]

Yeah I agree this Geo Hot guy could be doing so much better then wasting his time in court fighting over petty things like jailbreaking an iPhone or a PS3.

If anything he would be useful to the military being able to crack into other nations computers and stealing info for our government or possibly making security systems for like banks and secure areas.

That's what I would be doing if I had his type of knowledge with electronics.

T_T

[theonlylolking]

I would never give him a job if I was at sony or any other company that makes computers and stuff. He would most likely just release to the world how to hack it since he designed it.

[DontShoot-Me-Bro]

Sony should open a blog and take donations to help them in court. (I know they don't need any help)

I'd rather help Sony with their legal fees.

[Lirky]

Im sure its fine for him to hack his own ps3 but to distribute like cfw of it and possibly making a profit off it is wrong.

But if its just so he could show the world what his cfw does thru youtube it should be fine as long as its not distributed.

It was distributed so thats where he failed at.

[princeofthabay]

It was his ego. He wants to be a known hacker, the hacker that could hack the unhackable.Now his ass is in a hole begging for donations lolololol.

[alien626]

he hacked the iphone and he almost gave up on the ps3 but ended up hacking it...for his next magic trick i will try to hack his way from this case....o wait he cant now he needs some help from the audiance with his magic trick...

[KaiokenKid]

lol, watch he dosent get any money

[Chucky2003]

you'll be surprised,people are already donating

[house]

yeah i went to the site counted up the so called "donations" so far about 400 bucks in total.

very idiotic that they wouldn't spend that money on games and support the makers but they choose to donate to a bottom feeding idiot, donating to him is basically screwing the game industry i for one don't want any consoles to go the way of Sega and why did they fall because of pirating games!
@kaiokenkid
yeah i hate that as well whats worse is that he see he did nothing wrong!!

[KaiokenKid]

What I hate is that hes acting like a martyr or something.

[smoothdude]

@house

I agree with you, but honestly it isn't like they have the added expense of buying games as they can download them for free.

He is going to need a lot of money if he wants to win this.

[house]

yeah i know just angering that people can be that stupid. but at the end of the day your right hes going to need a crap load of donations(which he wont get) bubbles to you.
cheers

[Baka-akaB]

it's still very stupid to do so much to play free games (before some idiot comes around , i'm talking about the game pirates in the mix , not hackers or pure homebrew users (even if i dont believe those even exists)) and yet still spend some money on helping him.

Besides a show of "see i do what i want with my money , and pay only if i want to , you capitalist pigs" , it's incredibly retarded .

[Silly gameAr]

Yeah. Good luck with that geohot. F up YOUR PS3 all that you want, just keep your trash out of OUR multi-player games.

[Blitzed]

My thoughts exactly. He can do whatever he wants to his PS3; I have a problem when his actions fuck with mine.

[SSKILLZ]

You want money geodouche trade your games at game stop

[alien626]

they wont accept them they are pirated remember

[SSKILLZ]

Lol true, ahhhh so that's why he wants donation. XD

[NLGSean]

I will donate to Sony to put this jerk in jail...

[NLGSean]

LOL at the 3 morons who disagreed with me. I did not know Geohot and his folks were on n4g...

[MGRogue2017]

I think geohot is completely missing the point.. Everyone is actually on Sony's side LOL

*facepalm* i think maybe he should come up with a new rap to try & win another rap contest.

[Aarix]

I'm all for jailbreaking ( except installous) the "make it the way you want" it works well on a iPod but it's good only up to a point. This kid Is mad smart but hacking will do more bad than good.

[BlueEye]

No it won't you retard! Can't you see that the majority of the PS3 community does not want it and are rooting for Sony!? Give it up and stay quiet and if you want to hack switch to Xbox!

[Aarix]

I was talking more on the iPod side asshole. I don't know the benefits of a jailbroken ps3 but with an iPod you can add features that's not stealing.

[Reborn]

This was a matter of time. Now what will you do?

[gamingisnotacrime]

GeoHot would likely support this behavior

[Vaud-Villian]

?? More like hack it so people can donate from more than just paypal.

[rbrtchng]

That would actually be fantastic.

[XabiTheHumble]

All I have to say is...:D Rofl!

[Masterchef2007]

Sony should send kratos in to rip his head off lol God this guy is just so pathetic and stupid

[Dagobert]

Donating a penny to this guy = screwing the gaming industry and resulting in more shitty "casual" games being pumped out each day. I would rather save up a penny and use it towards a purchase of a game. Screw this guy bitching about Sony when you hacked their system, spread the source code of the hack to people, contributed to piracy, screwing a business in the process just to be a little rebel. Then he goes on blabbering how he's not promoting piracy. It's like me selling heroin without the syringe and then claiming I sold it just because I want people to have the drug and not use it so I made sure not to package a syringe. I mean look at studios laying off employees just to save money, they wouldn't be laying people off if they were making enough money. Shit screws up chances of people trying to get jobs in the gaming industry who just graduated as well. Hell this even screws things up for gamers who are looking forward to a game to be localized, for example a company like Atlus, they release limited amount of a game (which is why most of their games are rare after a while), piracy screws up a company like them who obviously aren't as big as some of the other companies, when shit like affects them a lot they won't even bother localizing games so the rest of the world can enjoy a game.

Anyone defending this milking twat is an idiot because in the long run his exploit is going to screw things up.

[Azteca06]

This is evolution the r shoing as how to bild our own games updating make and desing not like a wen u play a game for a wek after that u get bore this is a new way of havin fun with the same game 4 a wile so look like u like 2 b control b Sony bying and bying just like a sssssss

[Dagobert]

Good God! Was that even English?

[PlayerX]

I donated $10. Thanks Geohot. I am glad to give back.

[Dagobert]

10$ could have bought you Pixel Monster or some shit. A physical copy of the game. Good job wasting money.

[house]

gave back to what 10 dollers to killing the gaming industry good job idiot

[house]

below i would donate to something worth it like some of those you posted

[MrBeatdown]

Wow, you just donated $10 to the guy that ruined your copy of Modern Warfare.

And I thought Activision was good at wallet rape. At least they give you something. Hotz fucks you over and you still pay him.

[GodHandDee]

hopefully you are just trolling, cuz if not that's worse than trolling

[GSpartan777]

:/ Would anyone be willing to donate to me? I am not getting sued by Sony or anything or haven't done anything amazing but I could definitely use the money. All you'll get from me is a bro hug ^_^

[gman_297]

I would totally donate for a bro hug!!

How much is a full-minute of bro hug?

XD

[JonnyBigBoss]

Eat a foot Geohot. Nobody likes what you're doing.

[Ethereal]

LOL! What a noob. "Oh no I can't afford legal fees because I BROKE the law". I hope he puts his entire family in debt for that stunt (rap) he pulled. See kids, just goes to show that your responsible for your actions.

[GSpartan777]

Donated $1000 to Geohot.

[gamingisnotacrime]

instead of donating/wasting money on this loser, buy a game!
there are many great games made by hard working folks waiting for you to pick them up. My 2011 suggestions

Dead Space 2
LBP2
ME2

[theaceh]

I though your comment was a commercial for a pet adoption center for a sec.

[Gothdom]

the amount of idiocy on his blog is unbelievable. Should we start a blog with a "donate" for a hitman?

[Psycho_Mantis]

The only donation Geohot will get from me is my foot, going right into his ass! Really though, has the world became this stupid over time? I even laughed at the topic title thinking this was some kind of stupid joke but i cant beleave this crap is real....good luck Geohot, i doubt anyone stupid enough to donate to you might as well be dumb enough to blow their brains out also.

[joeorc]

"The only donation Geohot will get from me is my foot, going right into his ass!"

wait a min..there ; can you give a red foreman donation?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

bubble's sir...lol

[TriangleOffense]

To quote the great Garfield anyone who donates to this bullshit "should be dragged into the street and shot"

[kitt2112]

All i got to say is F%&$K you!!

[Ninjamonkey82]

If you value the production of games and the future of your entertainment, Steer clear of this clowns plea's. Let it fall upon the way side. I for one will support Sony and any other gaming company for that mater.

I grew up gaming and yeah im 31 now but i still have fun with the mates etc playing games, Its always fun looking forward to what the next big game will be. These hackers set about ruining that. I hope when my lad is older he can get into games aswell. He wil be learnt to buy the games proper aswell.

[GSpartan777]

If you guys want to donate to something more productive

Donate to Child's Play Charity - http://www.childsplaycharit...

Donate to Indie Developers at Kickstater - http://www.kickstarter.com/...

or 8-Bit Funding - http://www.8bitfunding.com/

Help spread the word, they need the money more than Geohotz.

[UP]

that wont help any. remember that amazing game package that you could pay as low as one penny for? well it was still pirated.

[jerethdagryphon]

dont forget instersteller marines :)

www.interstellermarines.com

[Rudy_loves_Akuma]

if i had the chance, id kidnapp this sonofabitch and fuck him up(mortal kombat style) lol

[nevin1]

Thats what you people are. I guess you people don't have a problem when hackers allow people to download movies and music for free but are made when game systems are hacked?

lol@ this comment from warprincess116

"Like i really don't understand why people hack their PS3 because you can do all of that stuff on a PC."

hypocrisy at its finest. So its okay for people to play snes games on their PC but not their PS3?

[Pandamobile]

Donated $1 just for the lolz

[SpongeFreak52]

You know what? I'm supporting him. And do you know why? Because I believe that we the people have the right to do whatever we want with the hardware we buy, so long as it doesn't interfere with others.

Face it, the PS3 is permanently hacked, and regardless of who wins this court case, piracy will remain rampant on it. If you guys want to hold up your argument that this is only relating to piracy, then it's time to face the facts.

This isn't just about Geohot vs. Sony, it's everyone vs. the companies that produce these goods. It fell in favor with the people relating to the iPhone, and I have good faith that it will happen here too.

So to all of you with your immature threats and hatred towards someone who is supporting our rights, please grow up.

[GSpartan777]

Trust me, the day I have to fight for my rights I will grab an AK74U and do it. He is not fighting for my right, he's fighting to save himself from this lawsuit which is going to put a serious dent in his wallet because the EFF (The ones that are supposedly backing him on this, fighting for HIS rights) are not funding it for him. GeoHotz has never asked for donation and never had till now because he underestimated the situation he is in. So don't you fucking dare make me look like the bad guy for not supporting him in the situation he is in.

Also if you want to donate

Donate to Child's Play Charity - http://www.childsplaycharit...

Donate to Indie Developers at Kickstater - http://www.kickstarter.com/...

or 8-Bit Funding - http://www.8bitfunding.com/

Help spread the word, they need the money as well.

[SpongeFreak52]

All I ask is that you respect my decision, and I'll respect yours. I said nothing about those who choose not to donate, I'm simply pointing out that most of the users on this site are acting very immaturely to this whole situation.

You're not the bad guy, but I believe that there's something more to this lawsuit than Geohot trying to save himself, because in the end it will have an impact on other people.

[Redempteur]

"so long as it doesn't interfere with others. "

Here is your problem right here !!
PSn integrity is at risk so of course it interfere with me playing ONLINE .

if you can't even understand that then you're in a sad state.

[SpongeFreak52]

Right, and that's why I think that if Sony were to allow SPECIFIC TYPES of homebrew applications onto their system, as in ones which didn't have access to the BD-ROM drive or network connections, both sides could benefit.

There are going to be PSN hackers regardless of whether or not Sony wins this case. I'm only fighting for what would benefit people on both sides of this argument, I'm not trying to get anybody upset over anything. :\

[Redempteur]

that whaty they did with other OS , actually ..and then GEOHOTZ came and messed up with it ..giving sony the perfect escuse to remove it

[Burdmayn]

It is not our right to hack our game consoles. When you buy a system you're agreeing to the terms of use, which is what a respectable gamer would do. Instead you believe that it's your right to do whatever you want with hardware that you did not develop. The only hardware that you have the right to do what you will with is that which you develop yourself. So as long as you continue to buy game consoles, the companies who produce them have the right to tell you how to use them. Our rights are to purchase and enjoy the content published for the consoles we choose to play. Want more freedom? Make your own console.

[house]

good job *claps*/s hes fighting for our rights? really when you say we just say you because he really isn't fighting for me nor do i need him to.

and if your the many that think that this hack was used for home brew you are very very stupid it was used for pirating games and everyone knows this but the ones that are doing it them self's

@geostriker
very well said hes fighting for him self and that's it
for the ones that this guy is some kinda leader fighting for your rights all i have to say please!!

[Dart89]

You f**ked with the wrong company now man up and accept what you did was wrong and stop asking people to pay you're bills.Why don't you have mommy and daddy pay you're bill you freakin douche.

Edit:Wow who called out the disagree fairy go back into you're cave xDDD.

[Zinc]

He has the same right to ask for donations, as would anybody else. Some people will donate and some won't. The end.

Just because you don't like him or what he has done, does not mean he can't ask. You guys should try being fair-minded and for those who keep saying they want to donate their fist in his face and whatever else... grow up. Plus, you probably have weak girl arms anyway, so what's the point?

GenoZStriker has the most fair comment I've seen on this page so far... Kickstarter is a great venture and is going to be responsible for one game that I know of getting funded to the prototype stage at least, which is great.

[gusst]

well since sony already donated him a dollar i am too

[MrBeatdown]

Let the morons supporting him throw their money away. I hope Sony bleeds the little hobbit dry. For all the time wasted by users downloading new firmware, screwed up games of Modern Warfare, games pirated, and R&D time at Sony that could have put towards improving the PS3 firmware rather than securing it, Hotz is getting what's coming to him.

Legal or not, his little hack has caused a lot of trouble for legitimate customers.

[Hozi89]

Please stop bitching and everyone discuss matters in a civil way. I love how we get so riled up when our feelings are involved, but really? do we really have to waste our energy to talk about this guy?

[alien626]

why not talking we are typing get that straight

[LoneWanderer09]

Who will donate to this clown? is anyone that stupid to actually donate?

[gusst]

CFW allows for some really cool things besides pirating games. To say otherwise would just be ignorant. Custom dynamic themes of porn anyone?

[Neko_Mega]

Wouldn't people want him to pay them? Seeing how is hack killed some PS3's.

Does this little kid not know when to shut up? This isn't going to help is case, heck if anything it is going to make it worst.

But I don't care this loser a hacker, because real hackers do one think smart "THEY DON'T POST THINGS ON THE WEB!!".

[teamr]

I'll donate

I hope this lawsuit goes exactly the way it did for Apple

I'd donate a million dollars if i could! All the idiots posting in this article make me sad because they don't even realize that Sony is stamping all over the consumer rights.

Yeah piracy is bad, but this isn't about piracy at all. It's about our ability to do whatever the hell we want with the hardware we paid for. And it's exactly why Apple lost it's lawsuit and jailbreaking iphones is now legal.

Sony better hope Geohot doesn't get enough money to mount a defense, because if he does I don't see things going very well for them

update: DONATION COMPLETE

[blaziliuz12]

did you really donate to him?really?

cmon man,he's not fighting for our rights,but for himself.

[GodHandDee]

saw this coming from miles away

there is a reason why Sony started this whole thing when there was chance they could lose...they would make sure even if they lose somehow geo-shizzle will be bankrupt...

Well played Sony

[teamr]

Too bad it won't actually matter. There are a million geohot's all over the world. You think stopping one will actually make a difference?

When the put Al Capone in jail did that stop organized crime?

The war on drugs is 40 years old. How's the outcome of that looking?

RIAA has sued hundreds of people. Did that stop music piracy?

America has been battling Al Qaeda for almost 10 years now. Did that put a dent in global terrorism or did it actually encourage more terrorists that were inspired by the david vs goliath battle?

Well played, indeed, Sony. You are using the same tactics that have been proven ineffective for decades.

[GodHandDee]

you make some valid points.. but not doing anything won't do anything either.

I'm sure putting Al Capone behind bars helped mess up at least some crime

I'm sure at least some of our youth are drug free thanks to the war against scumbags who deal drugs

so yes, I'm glad Sony is doing something at least. I support them 100%
and from the guys meltdown, almost going broke from the looks of it, I think sony has proven to be VERY effective

[darkdoom3000]

I don't usually hate hackers, but goddamit. This guy is just a arogant fool. Needs to get raped (in court)

[NaiNaiNai]

I feel like donating just to piss off all the lying and stuck up people in the world :D

GO geohot go, show them that you can stick it to the man, and then use our money and vanish off the face of the earth like every other hacker out there.

[GodHandDee]

From his rap-break down and now this..it looks like sony is the one doing the 'sticking'

[PS3 Supremacy]

I donate this.

And I consider it generous.

[Bull5hifT]

Can they charge 10 cents from all hacked Ps3's using there credit card information to amass a small fortune, and just mark it on the credit card info as Life Tax or PSN Fee-r, that nobody would look to fight over? ... Thats Scary , and then getting that small fortune and let it rise 5% in the bank system and the giving people 5 cents back and also loaning people cash advances with that small fortune to charge the $20 in intrest for every $100 after the loan to make the fortune raise

[NaiNaiNai]

Heck I love reading the comments...

you all say don't donate to him, yet your pathetic butts won't even donate to real causes.

I myself donate to the International Panda fund. and ZOE for children.

400$ a year out of my military pay, plus the time I do for charity work. and you know what, I think I will donate to him, because of people like him, homebrew apps went mainstream, You wouldn't have your apps on the iphone, or the adroid system if it wasn't for guys like him.

[teamr]

Let the haters hate, man.

As much as I dislike Geohot as a person (too much of an attention whore), It's people like him that will be remembered when the courts finally tell these giant companies to stop overstepping their boundaries.

Sony has every right to defend themselves against piracy, but they can't fight it by restricting our consumer rights. And if its Geohot that will stand against them, then so be it.

I think Sony knows that the only way they can win this case is if they force him to settle. Use their deep pockets in a legal war of attrition. I hope Hotz can hold out so we can see another massive win for consumer protection like the one levied against Apple

[PirateThom]

What?

Why are you getting at people who are saying don't donate to him instead of people who are donating to him instead of worthwhile causes? What the hell sort of logic is that?

[jerethdagryphon]

wwf church and a few otheres here thats where i donate

[cyclonus007]

This guy is an idiot. He says he can't wait to hack the Experia Play?! I'll bet Sony's lawyers can't wait to use his own post against him.

[flappersack]

I'd donate to see this moron smashed over the head.

[Samk18]

I was reading his message. In it he wrote and ill quote "I am an advocate against mass piracy". Isn't he responsible for people being able to pirate games on the PS3 because he released the master key to the public over the internet. Doesn't this allow for mass piracy. A little hypocritical aren't you.

[Jdq7pr]

He's asking for donations to win over Sony in court because he hacked HIS PS3? He has BIG balls. So if I have a DVD movie, that is MINE, and I make copies to either sell or to give away, just because it's mine I can do it? I have a LOT of DVDs and CDs that are MINE. I mean, it's not illegal, right? The DVDs and CDs are MINE. I can also ask for donations to stop the abuse of corporations that wants to charge us extra, or to try to put me in jail, for copying MY DVDs and CDs, right? I don't know, it sounds illegal to me. Did Geohot thought about this or he couldn't figure THAT out? He can crack PS3, Iphones and PCs but he cannot figure out copyrights? Geohot, work hard like the mayority of us humans and use those skills for something good. Keep using it for stupid stuff and I'll see you asking for more donations and crap.

[SlaughterMeister]

You cannot hack your own PS3 for the same reason you cannot burn down your own house: it risks the loss of another person's property.

[citan]

I'll donate to Sony today by buying a PSN game I never intended to. I hope they destroy the thief and send him to prison and some inmate will hack into him at the showers.

[justGAMES]

Screw him!! He couldn't even keep a straight face when he said he didn't believe in piracy on an interview on g4.com
He affects us gamers, we just want to play games not mess with the ps3! He has a computer and an iphone he can play with so f*ck him

[SEAN1617]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahaaaaa aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh Thats like paying someone to kick me in my Family Jewels! GenoZStriker + 2h ago
To bad you can't pirate legal fees ;) thats great props to u sir

[Figboy]

lol. This is just beautiful to behold.

look, hacking your own console for your personal use is fine. I understand wanting to do that, and as I've stated before, I have custom firmware on one of my PSPs so I can play homebrew (I just currently got addicted to T.O.M.E, and am playing a freeware version of Cave Story on my PSP). I still support my favorite developers buy BUYING legal copies of my games from stores or PSN (lately, PSN, so I can download the games to the PSP2 when it releases).

HOWEVER, Geohotz didn't just hack his own console. He took private, copyrighted information that BELONGS TO SONY, and shared it on the internet. THAT is the illegal action here.

People can defend the guy for fighting for the right to do what we wish with our property, but that's only part of the issue here.

If someone were to hack my bank account, and post my account number and PIN on the internet, I'd be pissed, and I'd sue that hacker as well.

Geohotz is getting a fantastic lesson in the real world. He can try and deflect the argument towards "consumer rights" and "I wanna do what I want with my own STUFF!" all he wants, but that doesn't change the fact that he REALLY screwed up and broke the law when he posted those security keys online.

No matter how much I agree that we should be allowed to do what we wish with products we purchase, I DON'T condone accessing private networks with said hacked machine (my hacked PSP doesn't go online, and even though I'd never hack my PS3, if I for some foolish reason decided to, I'd never try and play PSN online titles), or distributing private keys/information on the internet. It wasn't just wrong for Geo to post those keys online. It was ILLEGAL.

Sony is casting a broad net of charges over Geo (including hacking charges), in the hopes that it will stick, and the god damn gaming industry that we all claim to love so much can get SOME kind of legal protection against people that DON'T have noble intentions when it comes to hacking their consoles.

I'd sacrifice all my cool homebrew in a heartbeat if i knew that by hacking my machine, developers like Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Guerrilla Games, Media Molecule, and Sucker Punch had to close down because of it.

I'll support this industry for as long as it continues to produce quality gaming experiences. I've worked in the gaming industry for YEARS, so I have a personal stake in it's success. But as a GAMER, I want it to thrive and succeed.

This economy has us all in a bind in terms of finances. As tempting as it is to pirate games, I've chosen to go without until I get the money to PAY for them, and honor the hardworking men and women that have NOTHING to do with Sony's corporate overlords.

I'll proudly buy Killzone 3, and LittleBigPlanet 2 (I can't get them yet, but hopefully soon), and feel good that I've contributed to continued quality game development from GG and Media Molecule. To me, that is worth so much more than contributing to this juvenile thieve's "cause." Sony's not "lame," Geo, YOU ARE.

[Oner]

+ Well Said & 100% Agree Fig ~ This is the exact situation at hand. He's not doing this for "our consumer rights" or anything else. He stole something and needs to be held accountable for that. PERIOD.

His back is against the wall and things are closing in on him fast. I don't wish any extreme physical harm to him (other than to maybe punch him in that shit eating shifty looking grin he always has) but he needs to be held responsible for what he did.

I absolutely believe that if someone wants to donate to a cause that fights for consumer rights (or whatever) then go right ahead! But don't pull a veil over your eyes and cover your ears to the truth because then you are NOT helping yourself or others. Just perpetuating the real problem. It's the truth that those who support GeoNot WON'T admit and that's what is clearly wrong here.

Maybe I should sue GeoNot for getting my OtherOS removed in the first place? But then I would be no better than him...then again, I would be properly justified in doing so (unlike him).

[TXIDarkAvenger]

donate...to...u? Funny.

[rlm41]

He has many fans.. You PS3 fanboys will be surprised by how many people will probably donate to him.

[Sizzon]

I'll sure donate him a actually LIFE, a normal life, not a lowlife nerdy a$$ hacker life.

[creamsoda]

Why is this moron a celebrity now?

[JmanHunsman]

Well... I support him

[rbrtchng]

Maybe Sony could use this as proof that he's making monetary benefit from his hack.

[XI_-Minty-_IX]

Hotz's problem here is that he COULD'VE chosen to just keep the master key private and hack his own PS3, or that he COULD'VE just released it anonymously. Instead, he wanted the fame and glory.

As for all of you saying, "Bu-bu-bu-but! This PS3 is MY console! I should be able to do whatever I want with it!"

Well of course it's your own console. You own the physical console and Sony lets you do whatever you want on that end, including external USB storage devices, swapping hard drives, etc. What you DON'T own is the Operating System. Hotz's releasing of the master key threatens the OS, so Sony has every right to sue him over doing so. Also, DMCA states it is illegal to jailbreak a console.

[nix]

i'd rather donate Sony by buying their games.

@Nai (above): wow.. you're that guy who goes to church, do community work n then on the way back home pay a minor to give u a blowjob because only the kinds of her gives you one. i'm sure there's a misunderstanding here. which part of this whole issue did you not get?

[Trilogy2k]

Hey Geof*ck,

I sincerely hope you spend the rest of your putrid existence paying off the fees you'll incur when you lose against Sony.

Just saying..

LOL

[Tzuno]

All of you here that post comments here (including me) use pirated games and pirated software. No need to envy this guy because of people like him most of us get free stuff without pay. Don't give me the correct man to be, look in the mirror first.

[Trilogy2k]

And try re-reading your own comments so they make any sense before you post and make sweeping statements against other users that you can never prove.

[Tzuno]

Yes i can never prove but that doesn't mean people are clean. You buy every Game and software in original? i don't think. Hahahahaha and you got the nerve to talk about Geohot.

[jerethdagryphon]

@ tzunoy yes yes i do every single dvd game software peice or peice of music o own ligetly

or is a freeware product

this includes old games do not lump me in with your everyone.

[GeoHater]

You little, ignorant, self righteous prick have a nerve to ask help from people whose fun you have ruined. Do you really think i, or anybody with common sense, can believe that you didn't have the idea that your jailbreakinig will lead to piracy and hacking that will ruin everybodys online fun. If you have worked for money single day in your life, maybe you would more appreciate efforts people put in stuff they work and wages they earn. And maybe you would think twice of all the people that your action might cost a job. But for media whore as you, personal glory was top priority. Let me tell you something asshole, i play video games longer than you breath, and no hacker ever have made so angry as you. If i live in USA i would hitchike across the state to come at your door and give you one good slap on that stupid face. You say you did it only for other OS to return. What a poor excuse for such a "smart" guy. Ok, Sony maybe was wrong to remove it, though they moved it mostly thanks to your hacking, but do you really think that more than 2% of PS3 owner give a fuck about it. Other OS, for what, for the things that i can do more faster and better on my PC. I ve bought my console for modern HD gaming not for running pixelated old games or some shitty homebrew. Maybe you have right to do with your ownership whatever you want, but Sony also have every right to protect their money making investment. The moment you have exposed root key to community which surely won't use it only for homebrew and made hacking and pirating real, plus ruining our online play with hacks and cheats, that moment you have went to far. And you ask us for simpathy and donation. You are fucking with peoples lives and fun, taunting Sony with your shitty rap and saying you re going to hack new experia and psp 2, and you expect donation and help. I hope they will put you in jail where big tattooed inmates will hack und fuck your brains out. Or that will you have to pay to Sony every dime that you earn untill the rest of your life. Ok, i am not so vicious, i hope you will be able to save some money to get yourself some old, toothless, crack whore once a year. I never needed or wanted your fuckin jailbreaking. You have brought this on yourself, so pull yourself out of this alone, or with help of your daddy that bought you all that stuff that made your hacks possible.

[Tzuno]

Do you polish shoes for Sony or what?

[PSjesus]

hahahahahahahahaaahahahahahaah ahahah....

[tigertron]

I'd like to donate my fist to his face to be honest.

[jneul]

carry on giving more evidence to sony for them to use geodumz i hope they throw you in jail

[outwar6010]

im going to donate because the hacking community arent that different to the modding community that give you new uses for your console or games and i dont think its fair that i paid over 400 hundred pounds for a rented ps3 (terms of agreement were only showed to me after i paid for the console and then are the constant amendments and updates which you are forced into or sony gives you a fuck you )

[P_Bomb]

Yeah alright, you and the other one million XBL accounts then that were banned for finding "new uses for your console and games" during that whole MW2 fiasco. http://articles.cnn.com/200... . How'd that work out for the modding/hacking community?

[outwar6010]

ive never been banned as i've never done anything wrong and ive never cheated online whatsoever. I was talkiing about how the pc modding scene they patch games like fallout and oblvion (games that have a plethora of bugs yet still sell at full retail) the modding community have also added many quests ares weapons etc to many games and recently even overhauled gta imagine if such mods came to the console versions? wouldn't that be epic?

[NeloAnjelo]

Hope no one gives this media, attention craving whore money.

[Luftwaffles]

Would you give a paedophile on trial financial support? No. He's not getting anything from me, he molested the PS3.

[outwar6010]

how can you compare the two?

[Luftwaffles]

That's one of the most idiotically used questions these days. I can compare them to draw an understanding of the concept, I'm not likening them. Comparing and likening are not the same thing.

[Raven_Nomad]

I donated $25, he has the right to do whatever he wants with the products he purchases.

[StbI990]

...
right to do whatever he wants with the products he purchases...

Like backuping games? Cool story bro.

[Raven_Nomad]

Have you ever downloaded games, movies, applications from online? Maybe from a torrent site? I love how now because it's the "Precious PS3" people all of a sudden hate Pirates and think something should be done.

Hypocritical much? If you've ever downloaded anything, you have lost the right to say anything. I often buy things and convert them to torrents and share them with others, so I feel no shame if I download a torrent from someone else doing the same.

When I was a kid I used to copy Tapes I'd bought and give them to friends and they would do the same for me. Now days we just use the internet to do so. If you buy it, you own it and can do what you want with it.

[Rashonality]

screw him

[GamingNtek]

Screw this douche bag, it's all his fault.

[jay2]

F$%^k you you little s^*t. Enjoy prision, you might not want piracy, but you've caused it.

[diehardgamer1000]

well wat do u knw.the poor egocentric bastard is nw begging for money.i don knw wat he thought this was gonna end up like.

[smoothdude]

LOL it is not a good sign if you are asking for more money this early in the game. I can't imaging the children donating to him have the deep pockets that Sony has. It is only a matter of time before Sony wins.

[TheMrMadzen]

Sorry Geohot, but you lose

[sjaakiejj]

"What if SCEA tries to settle?
Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It'd be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I'm also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted."

Apology from Sony for removing other OS? Remember who caused that feature to be removed in the first place?

[xtremegamerage]

I just donated my kidney.

Because your worth it.

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tdmd]

What a joke... I would give Sony donations if needed to support its legal fees on this case. Putting down this geoidiot is worth supporting -- it's a community service.

[CanadianTurtle]

This guy shouldn't walk out in public. I can imagine the how many haters would kick his ass.

[EditorAtGNG]

I really don't get why all the fuss. PC gamers have been hacking/pirating their copies of games for years. The same can be said for Xbox360 and even Wii. Yes, piracy IS a really big problem but it should not be THAT surprising to PS3 owners. They need to learn that nothing in this world is secure, as long as it is connected to the internet.

[BlueEye]

The fuss is that the PS3 was designed so it would not be hacked, many bought it for the security reasons. Now its at risk of being ruined because of Geohot and stupid little cheaters who call themselves "hackers"

[EditorAtGNG]

Nothing (and I do mean nothing) is unhackable. There's just no such thing. Like I've said earlier, the internet > anything.

Sony may have set the standards for security but that's the thing - there will always be people who will want to break the rules. I do not approve of this, but it is just as the world goes about.

[Luftwaffles]

Just because it has been done on other platforms doesn't justify the corruption of the PSN or the piracy of games. If Geohotz had hacked your credit card details, whether you have one or not, I can't imagine you'd be so blasé. I bought my PS3 and I think I'd like Sony to battle to keep it secure as long as they can.
Geohotz was an idiot as to be so naive to expect this to turn out well, his stupidity alone should be reason enough to lock him away.
One thing that angers me more than anything, is that in the time that Sony has spent trying to combat this with FW updates, they could have released useful updates with new features.

[EditorAtGNG]

Again, I wasn't implying that the PS3 HAD to be hacked because it wasn't up till now, and I am observing this from the perspective of you regular consumer/gamer so I am trying to be unbiased. People need to realize that there is wrong in the world and they can't do nothing but live with it.

edit: Just to add one more thing - owning a PS3 doesn't make you immune to anything. No matter how much Sony claims their service "unapproachable" the reality can be completely different.

[Luftwaffles]

The fuss is the fact that it has been hacked. We are surprised because we didn't expect and are anxious to see how Sony will deal with the problem. I understand your point, it was going to happen, but unlike Nintendo and Microsoft we expect decisive action from Sony.

[BlueEye]

Ah yes help him win against Sony. God forbid that I'm allowed to play on my PS3 that I payed for with my own money but not my parents without the risk of it getting ruined by some douche hacker. Go to hell Geohotz!

[XeNoStRatoS]

Bet MS will be one of his biggest spouses in donations... They gave a Windows Phone to him already, now it is time for the cash.

He wont get a cent from me tho.

[Haseo106]

Who donates for this Shithead is TRASH in the Game Industry!

[Luftwaffles]

@Dragonshardz

Just because it has been done on other platforms doesn't justify the corruption of the PSN or the piracy of games. If Geohotz had hacked your credit card details, whether you have one or not, I can't imagine you'd be so blasé. I bought my PS3 and I think I'd like Sony to battle to keep it secure as long as they can.
Geohotz was an idiot as to be so naive to expect this to turn out well, his stupidity alone should be reason enough to lock him away.
One thing that angers me more than anything, is that in the time that Sony has spent trying to combat this with FW updates, they could have released useful updates with new features.

[Bull5hifT]

Somebody should HACK his Donation Fund and send whatever he recieves to those starving kids in africa instead... Show him what real hacking should be used for ... Or a fund to hire a hitman to take himself out... Ohh thee irony

[HarryPS3]

Making a donation, i'll send him a rope.

[Bounkass]

Donated!

[Burning_Finger]

I'll donate this to Geoprick. He needs to eat sometimes and suffer at the same time when he becomes homeless and all. :)

[Hallow]

In the words of Red Foreman, "I'll donate my foot in your ass!"

[ShakyTom]

Just donated $100. I have enough money to buy all my games legally, but I am a massive supporter of the homebrew scene and thank Geohot for allowing me to enable it on my PS3.

Sure I will get a load of disagree's for this, but I'm supporting homebrew and the game developers, not piracy.

[quiddd]

to this cause. Keep those donations coming in. Geo really appreciates it. And when he loses realize that money is not coming back. And when you need the extra bucks for gas in your car or something worthwhile, you guys will realize where the money can be better spent.

[The_Great_D]

Lemme get this straight... you hack my favorite game company, brag about it and act all tuff with your wack lil rap song... and now you want ME to help YOU by giving you MONEY against SONY???????

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOL!!!!!!!!!

the only thing ur gonna be receiving is justice from the sony gamer universe and a big fat loss in ur battle against sony.

[llMurcielagoll]

I have had it with this guy! I will eat a huge healthy meal and break into his bedroom and take a huge stinky dump on his desktop keyboard!

lol

[CDbiggen]

Why hack a PS3 in the first place? Why is this such a big deal?

[oicheshamhna]

Yeah he sure did point out Sony's security flaws... publicly. If he was such an awesome guy fighting for everyone's right to "freedom" he would have stopped and thought about what he was doing before releasing Sony's security info to the world.

All of these people say that they love gaming and they are doing this for everyone's benefit. Bullshit. If you loved games you would play them and that's it. People are so short-sighted to the fact that this whole thing is only going to make things worse down the road.

Good luck on buying the next-gen consoles for less than a substantial amount of money. Keep on pushing Sony and see if they even come out with another console. I wouldn't.

[Cha0tik]

BTW your the only comment on the whole 5 pages of comments that actually has a point. So by me calling everyone idiots your not included. I still support GeoHot because I agree that I should be able to hack my console at home and not be sued by it. If Sony cared about their fans they wouldn't have removed OtherOS and shitted on me for spending my $600 to use the PS3 as a gaming console and a computer

[NoPoint]

Sony fanboy need to get a grasp. This dude is a legend, you guys wouldn't be able to do half the stuff he does.

[PirateThom]

What has he done exactly?

Used reverse engineered Sony hardware to break into the PS3s security and leak the root keys?

Impressive, but equally stupid to publically say he did it.

[Cha0tik]

He was the first to jailbreak the ipod/iphone and go against Apple in court to make it legal to jailbreak and post the codes on the internet... sorta like he is trying to do to Sony right now... look stuff up before posting dumb comments

[Cha0tik]

Wow most of the comments here are coming from Sony Fanboys... Your all stupid... Sony is basically mad because Geohot did something that was supposed to be impossible and posted it to the internet. He simply wants to have the OtherOS feature to be returned to the consoles and give the Users more control of the fate of their PS3 (Meaning he is putting his foot down and saying you own your console and not Sony). If your all so stupid to say GeoHot is wrong and Sony is right then basically your saying Sony can come in your house and take the console you purchased right out of your house because your agreeing that Sony still owns property that you spent money on. You all look like idiots... no one here is agreeing to piracy... its all about your rights of owning the console.

[Treyb3yond]

No.

People are basically saying "if you wanted other OS, you shouldn't have f*cked with it in the first place and it'd still be there"

And people are saying "I support the hard work that goes into making games by BUYING them because I want the games industry to continue"

And people are saying "I don't want cheaters and fraudsters on my console"

[Cha0tik]

I agree with that 100%! But GeoHot is responsible for putting OtherOS back on the console... thats it. Just like I said to a idiot that took the time to message me about this... The only thing he did wrong was post the security flaw online for all to see... by doing that Geohot gave all the chance to use burned disks and all that crap but GeoHot did not enable pirated disks or any of that. Some people actually used OtherOS for what it was meant to be used for... Like me.

[Gothdom]

he's also the reason sony took it out in the first place.

[Thoreau]

"Wow most of the comments here are coming from Sony Fanboys... Your all stupid... Sony is basically mad because Geohot did something that was supposed to be impossible and posted it to the internet. He simply wants to have the OtherOS feature to be returned to the consoles and give the Users more control of the fate of their PS3 (Meaning he is putting his foot down and saying you own your console and not Sony). If your all so stupid to say GeoHot is wrong and Sony is right then basically your saying Sony can come in your house and take the console you purchased right out of your house because your agreeing that Sony still owns property that you spent money on. You all look like idiots... no one here is agreeing to piracy... its all about your rights of owning the console, azuske".

the other o.s. option would still be available to psn users if the hackers did not try to prove a point of ignorance. the issue is not that actual hacking of their personal systems, but the adding the firmware to steal copyrighted software from torrents. you can still use the other o.s option, but you cannot sign into psn.

inductive reasoning=observe (geohotz and other hackers try to hack ps3 through other os option thus sony bars the other os option for psn users) state a logical pattern (hackers hack ps3 through the use of a leaked security key and enables the once psn other os option, but also downloading stolen games through torrents)

tentative conclusion???????

i will let you develope that one yourself.

[Cha0tik]

Gothdom is the only person that has made a response that proves a valuable point...

As for Thoreau... He is a prime example of why I called everyone stupid..

People were able to use downloaded games and shit WITH PSN ACCESS before GeoHot re-enabled OtherOS.

[Grimhammer00]

You fail hard.
You talk like geohot and his fail posse (like yourself), know what's best for the entire gaming community. Products & software products are created with intent.

But ego-centric fools like geohot and yourself, you think you are tue voice of the masses. That you opinion is worth more, has more validity than many many others.

I don't want my online gaming hurt by the minority of douches who think they are entitled to interrupt my Sony experience. And this is the majority reaction to your mentality. So suck it up geohot, you and yours are as transparent as they come.

[BigBacon87]

I love how this moron is calling other people idiots. I bought my car should I be allowed to put a bazooka on it to take down other people's cars because I'm a piece of shit asshole? No. Your stupid as fuck just like every other hacker who has a horrible case of self entitlement. You all spew the same stupid shit over and over and over but deep down every one of you knows you are in the wrong. Did you read the user agreement that pops up the first time you turn on a PS3? No. Well that's why your little bitch 'e-hero' is going to have to spend thousands of dollars in court just to get sent to jail. You'll be proud of him when he is taking it the ass I take it? Or just envious?

[DJMarty]

Ther should be a petition to get that prick in Jail.

[Holeran]

Suck it Geohot

[Treyb3yond]

Ohhh hohohohohohoh!

Lets hope this little nerd gets what's coming to him.

Every last penny.

[Thoreau]

well, geohot tried to fight the law, but it looks like the law is winning.

[TheTruth89]

kill him

[littlebigmarcpsps3]

hahahaha
i wont donate shit
my ps3 is hacked i dont care :)

[Holeran]

^^Another prime example for passive eugenics.

[NicSage]

Can I donate a bullet?

[ShAkKa]

Everybody seems to hate him but they can't stop talking about him.

[arsenal55]

Only thing I'd donate is a punch to this piece of garbages faces

[Orionsangel]

The Geohot supporters argument is I just wanna be able to add any app I want to the PS3. So let's assume this is possible. Let's also assume I'm a douche bag and wanna add an app that bans my friends. That gives me trophies for nothing. Because that's what is going to happen. You think people aren't going to exploit this feature? You may have good intentions, but that doesn't account for the millions of other people adding apps to the PS3.

[tenacious_b]

GeoHot can jailbreak, but the question is... can he break out of jail?

[RyuCloudStrife]

I'm sure not!

[SonyNGP]

I already did :D

[OllieBoy]

Geohot wants my money?

hmmm...

*buy's $50 PSN card instead*

[Acquiescence]

to begging pro-hackers for donations.

The air of desperation; I almost feel sorry for the kid. He's already 10,000 dollars in debt and this is only the beginning of his court wranglings.

Hopefully now Geohot, you'll realise that there's a little thing in this world called "consequences." Consequences are what stop us from pulling stupid shit like f**king with a billion dollar organisation. Good luck.

[SRTold]

You're a loser

[Mindsucker]

Here is my donation KEEP HACKED PS3 off the PSN and nobody will give a crap except SONY. You want CFW that have access to on-line MP the use your own servers your own money your own games then I'll support you otherwise STFU and take your punishment like a man. Quit trying to stick it to "the man" in this case SONY by stealing from them and instead create something. You weak a$$ pathetic waste of a mind.

[paracardium]

lol..Geohot is a looser.If he hacked some government stuff he'd be plastered all over the web as a terrorist of somekind.

[Silverwolf]

Funny how now they make it sound like we must "fight the power" by donating money.....lol. I purchased my PS3 for what it was made for to play games and the ocational DVD/blu ray. Last time I checked the PS3 still does that..... Geo douche!

[Grimhammer00]

I want to know why hackers seem to think they know what a majority want?
Everyone I talk to could care less about otherOS. He's smart? Everybody and their mother knows hacking leads almost immediately to piracy. What now he decides to feign ignorance? Lol

I can't see how Sony could lose a suit against this guy. All Sony needs to prove is that geohot has cost them money by violating the terms of agreement. Another nail in his coffin is if he ever made any money from his exploits.

He's a self-righteous douche. He needs to get his identity stolen and his life destroyed.
You might think that's too harsh...it's just a console. Big deal.
But you think he's going to stop there? He's a criminal. His gateway crime is console hacking.

Anyways, does anybody know what happened with Sony taking his computers?
I'm curious what they found.

[sdtarm]

is this guy for real??

"I Dont Support Piracy"

"I didnt know Modern Warfare Would get hacked, its not my fault BUT GO SONY BAN THOSE HACKERS"

so what happens when somebody else manage to integrate any piracy gadget into CFW? Go Sony ban those Pirates?

GTFO GEOHOT!

[ReBurn]

I read his plea on http://www.geohot.com and I have to say that he really disappointed me by playing the victim card.

His downfall was falling into the same self-serving trap that other hackers fall into. He wanted the notoriety. He wanted the fame. Well, he got it. I hope it's worth it.

Geohot wouldn't be in this situation if he had hacked his PS3 and kept the findings to himself. Or, if he felt the information should be public he could have released it anonymously.

There are many things that I don't like about how Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony close their systems. I don't like that the choice they give me with the hardware I buy is "take it or leave it." But what Geohot did wasn't the right way to solve the problem, either.

[peeps]

"Geohot wouldn't be in this situation if he had hacked his PS3 and kept the findings to himself."

Exactly, his claim that he owns the ps3 hardware and therefore can hack it himself I am unsure on so wont comment, however... whether he was legally allowed to hack the ps3 or not, it's the fact that he then passed on this information to others

[peeps]

Out of all the causes worth donating to in the world, geohot certainly is not one of them...

[Grodd]

F this self centered jerk. The world would be better off with out him. Stay the F off of the network hackers!

[peeps]

I'm amazed he posted the /b/ link about why you should boycott sony because of things they're doing... things they're doing cus the ps3 got hacked... by people like him. Talk about ironic.

[Grimhammer00]

Someone should set up a poll graph and let people vote for what Sony should do with this guy.

Then, link it to an email for Sony to follow. Let Sony see what we gamers want and what we feel is fair punishment for this douche.

[Gothdom]

If Sony wins, donators fail to realise that they may be damning themselves. Sony won't be able to sue, but they could ask investigatjon on said donators out of suspicion. The Court may judge that this list of donators should be investigated.

It isn't as far fetched as it seems.

[HaVoK308]

Just donated $2,500. Hope this help you eat man.

[strickers]

He can go to hell.He does nothing good for anyone but himself.Arrogant little turd.

[oguzsasi]

You have to be very rich when you f..k with a multibillion dollar company like Sony for lawyers payments lol.

[floppy]

If Georgie boy were dying of thirst I wouldn't donate the sweat off my arse so he could make ice water.

[Burdmayn]

I can't believe how far this guy plans to try and take things. Does he think he has a chance of winning, or that what he did was actually right? He's trying to act like Sony is this terrible corporation for developing a piece of hardware and wanting it to be used a certain way. When you buy a game console you agree to their terms of use, therefore Sony is completely within legal boundaries by taking action against misuse. Geohot isn't being sued because Sony is some form of Nazi-like regime seeking to control everyone, he's being sued because he went against the terms of use and paraded it around like he's some kind of hero for doing it. He's getting what he deserves but yet still continues with the behavior that got him into this situation in the first place. I'm not sure who I hold more contempt for, Geohot, or the idiots who will actually support him.

[KillerPwned]

Yeah lets give him our money so he can do his evil bidding when he cant use his own money. Hes a little kid i would eat the bitch alive.

[haymoza]

Wait. Donations?
Does anyone see the irony in this?
The only people supporting this guy are cheap skates ...

[bobrea]

This kid doesn't deserve money after all the trouble that he's caused

[Kran]

Why can't this guy just jump off the edge of the universe and die?

This world has no room for someone as pathetic as him.

[radiocaf]

Screw him, he is reaping what he sowed and is now panicking. It's his own fault that I can't play Call of Duty online, it's his own fault people are ruining Playstation, and it's his own fault for ruining his life because he can't run Linux on a console. For christ's sake, just run it on your computer and stop whining like a baby.

I hope the banhammer hits everyone who has supported this hack in any way.

[SuperbVillain]

Lol @ ANYONE who actually donates money to him

[HeroPsychoDreamer]

LOL epic fail, asking people for money to save his own ass. What a moron.

[guerojose]

Anybody want to start up a legal "offense" fund, donating to Sony to fry this little pr1k? I'm in for $50.

Sounds like daddy's lawyers explained to Georgie that his pathetic little video was exactly the wrong way to go.

[divideby0]

Geo.. the checks in the mail.

with your skillz, I couldnt trust you with anything.. not a check, pay pal or anything..

you totally embarrassed yourself with that rap vid... should have thought 10x about it before you did it

[deshon09]

me he dug his own grave

[bluegreenman]

how can you trust a hacker with your hard earned cash? doesnt sound logical to me..

[deshon09]

very true

[divideby0]

his lawyers are probably gonna bail, since they will never recoup legal fees.. Geo will have to go with a cheap lawyer, public defender type and get raped by Sony's high prices lawyers and than get what he deserves in jail...

[-Gespenst-]

He's a smart enough guy, but his whole stance is pointless whilst his hacks are being distributed across the internet, enabling people to play pirated ps3 games. I'd totally be on his side if this wasn't the case. Homebrew stuff should be allowed, personally hacking your own console should also be allowed and OtherOS should certainly be restored, but he seems to just ignore the fact that his hacks have enabled mass piracy of software.

He should have kept his exploits to himself.

[deshon09]

well said

[gusst]

"RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE…THEY POINTED OUT OUR SECURITY FLAWS…IM SO MADDDDDDDD…WAHHHHHH"

"Donate to help you, you're the reason I can't play Modern Warfare now
No, I'm not. Kakaroto explains this really well here( http://ps3mfw.com/?p=134). I have never played PS3 online ever. Frankly I'm amazed by the apparent ease with which these cheats were created, security 101, why is the security in the client anyway? I had no idea this would happen, and am in full support of the cheaters being permabanned from PSN."

straight from his blog

[StupidDude]

"i had no idea this would happen"

bullshit.

[JKL6939]

hah hah

[doolindesperado]

is this guy nuts?

[SerraOfDreams]

What's funny is that I was on 4chan last night, and some /b/tard pirate was trying to start a massive boycott of Sony.
Pirates are mad that Sony is taking action against them and I find this hilarious.
On topic, I also find Geohot asking for donations to be quite lulzy.

[bobrea]

lrn2rules

[Azteca06]

I like2 donte but by money order I dont have credit cards just tell m how

[bobrea]

Give me your credit card information and I'll tell you

[Azteca06]

Any way I'll donate

[Revvin]

I wouldn't give him the steam off my shit

[Zimmerman]

[Posting in popular article]

F*ck him.

[etowntwo]

I donated $5.

Respect due to the original iPhone/iTouch jailbreak.

[GunofthePatriots]

the little brat is begging for money. pathetic.
what's even more pathetic are the pathetic people who will give him money.

[MarkusMcNugen]

I dont pirate, and Im not a hacker. However, I do believe in consumers rights on products Ive purchased. If I choose to jailbreak my PS3 thats my business, but I dont blame Sony for banning me if I connect to PSN. If GeoHot wins, I think some devs would finally produce some good homebrew without having to worry about Sony trying to sue them. So...

Donation sent.

[Goaliegeek]

"good homebrew?" we haven't seen any good come out of what is going on now. Multiplayer games are are a hack-fest and credit info can be accessed (granite its only CFW on CFW, but I'm sure someone will find something). Just going to get worse.

[MarkusMcNugen]

Does that honestly surprise you? Sonys already trying to go after FailOverFlow and sueing GeoHot. I doubt there are many developers who want to take the risk. Plus, whats the easiest and fastest things to always happen on a newly hacked console? Cheats. Its a fact. Why dont you try writing a program like XBMC? See how long that takes you lol...

The fact remains that homebrew is up to the programmers how its used. Saying all hackers and programmers just want to screw over game servers and use cheats is like me saying if I leave my wallet in public by accident, if one person would take it then ALL people would take it. Its ignorance...

The credit card info hack doesnt seem to affect you, but how many people do you truly think are going to use this vulnerability? Especially since using CFW gets your PSN account banned. Its almost an oxymoron.

[morkendo23]

To bad you can't pirate legal fees :)

[rbrtchng]

The same people who support him are the people who say things like "I hate violence, but I'll defend to the death my 2 year old his right to carry shotguns to school."

[fastNslowww]

notice how he's about fame and fortune???

this is what he wanted from the get go...the popularity, he doesn't give 2 shits about games being pirated, he knew what he did would promote it....he wanted to be noticed.

if he was against it..he would have kept the keys to himself...not publicsize it..dumbarse.

can't wait to see him rap behind bars the ugly cunt.

[HungryGoku]

Lol loser you lost pirate herb all that pirating makes you no money how ironic ROFL.

[0321]

I will ALWAYS support Sony and buy my games. They have been good to all of us Playstation users. If you guys have to pirate a 60 dollar game for PS3, Then you should just stop playing games period.

[MarkusMcNugen]

I agree, if you support the devs or company then purchase the game, but this case is about a lot more than pirating of games. Its about consumers rights over property that they purchased. If Im not pirating games, and I dont sign in online, who am I hurting?

[nightfallinicedearth]

I donated $10 just now.
I hope he wins.

[GrumpyVeteran]

Gehot, fighting the good fight.

[troncoparati]

He is asking donations from a community that steals software to not spend money on it...LOL!

[MoneyLaunderer]

I honestly wonder why gaming websites gives this assclown publicity by talking about him. All it does it get more people interested in hacking their console and pirating games. If gaming journalism just left this kid to get destroyed in court by Sony and didn't constantly talk about him, everyone would be better off. Especially an article about him begging for cash. C'mon. Seems like many of these sites are condoning hacking, IMO.

[Big_L]

im sure he'll get them too

Honestly, he should have stuck to apple devices. He was making a nice income off them with half the legal crap

[the_kutaragi_baka]

lmao in the ofensive posts deleted.

epic tread here guys!

[bobrea]

This sounds like begging.

[eggbert]

Implying Pirates are going to donate money...

[Goaliegeek]

"Sony is lame, and is suing me for hacking MY OWN PS3" You (GeoHot) released the code to do it.
"My PS3 goal has been to provide users a legitimate path to homebrew" yea, you did that, and people used it for evil.
"I had no idea this would happen, and am in full support of the cheaters being permabanned from PSN" So you thought, doing homebrew can only be used for good! Nothing bad can come out!
"I'm a poor college student, what can I do to help?" Well seeing how CFW users can steal other CFW credit card info, why not just steal some credit card numbers?

You really jacked up the whole online experience for some games and it's only going to get worse. Way to go. This is why we can't have nice things, cause of idiots like you. So what good have you done with this homebrew?

[slutface]

sony is gonna ruin his financial future.....lolzzzzzzzz

[Jamaicangmr]

What your first Rap single didnt go platinum? Do another one ask Dr Dre to do the beat this time. A$$h0le

[SancLunatic]

Boohoo Anyone who thinks that a company could sell apopular electronic device and expect it will never be hacked and engineered is a retard.