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3D Kinect Like Camera for PS3

3xG says: "A reliable source at SCE London Studio (makers of various EyeToy games and applications) has informed us that he or she has witnessed end-to-end user testing of 3D Eye chat."

Apolloeye5043d ago

God damn, this would be awesome - 3D video chat with my friends abroad, epic.

blackbeld5043d ago

Sony is very innovative lately so I think this could be true. I Hope it will be on the market very soon. :)

Sitdown5043d ago

Just out of curiosity...when has Sony not been innovative? They always have projects going on...most probably never ever see the light.

ifhd5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

Dr.Richard Marks(EyeToy creator) was working for years on 2d and 3d Camera
Digital Foundry: When you began your research, did you look into the z-cams, like Project Natal?

Richard Marks: Yeah, actually we did.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

ShinMaster5043d ago

Why "Kinect-like"?
Couldn't they just call it a 3D PS-Eye?

nveenio5043d ago

This would actually be really cool. I'm not really into 3D chat, but being able to create my own 3D images using EyeCreate and such... Sounds neat.

For the guys below saying that Sony fanboys think it's cool because Sony made it, you're fools. No one hates on Kinect because it's a 3D camera. No one. But tell me...have you seen any 3D demos of Kinect?

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shoddy5043d ago

imagin it can 3d video chat while you are playing KZ3. I would get psn+ for this.

distorted_reality5043d ago

I'd imagine that your PS3 would explode trying to do that.

DaTruth5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

"Bu, bu, bu, but, only teh Kinect can track in 3D space!!!"

"Bu, bu, bu, but, you need teh advanced Kinect tech to track in 3D space!!!"

Edit: If it can record video too, then this will be great! Christmas gift opening in 3D!!!

Noctis Aftermath5043d ago

A cheap 3d camera would be cool, but since it's restricted to home use i wouldn't find much use for it.

P1NKY5043d ago

3D isn't too good for the eyes.

coolfool5043d ago

I'm sure if someone has said this below (haven't check that far) but I don't think this camera, as describe is about motion tracking or anything to do with that. It's about 3d video capture.

It sounds like it's essentially a 3d webcam (although if real I am sure it will have further uses than that).

Aquanox5043d ago

If Sony ends up copying Kinect somehow it would be the "Mee too" climax in videogame history.

Ju5043d ago

^^ LOL. It sure would be. They will do it. Or at least have something similar in the lab. Waiting how Kinect works out and bam, release a 3D Eytoy as an add on. Well, they had 3D cameras in their lab as early as 2000 or something. Why not capitalize on all that research ?

Sitdown5043d ago

How does your comment even make sense? Did you read the article...here is a quote for you:

"Moreover this also means that a 3D Eye is being developed which means Sony are stepping on Microsoft’s’ toes when it comes to 3D space detection with a camera."

So what does that mean? The current eyetoy is not doing space detection like kinect...which is why the 3d eye is being constructed...which made the comments valid at the time they were made.

Parapraxis5043d ago

If MS ends up copying the EyeToy somehow it would be the "Mee too" climax in videogame history.
They'd probably call it something silly like Kinectz or something....OHHHHHH WAIT.

P1NKY5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

I love all the disagrees im getting. Im not bashing this camera or PS3. Im pro PS3 if anything. But 3D in general isn't great on your eyes.

Ive used a 3D TV and they are amazing except for the glasses. But it did start to hurt after a while.

Obama5043d ago

http://www.gametrailers.com...

Who's copying who?

It's Kinect that's copying eyetoy. Even the name sounds suspect.

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edhe5043d ago

Why?

So you can look at eachother and laugh at the specs you're both wearing feeling guilty about how much you just spent so your 'mate' can flash the last chicken in sainsbury's at you?

Awesome.

Chatroullette in HD 3D would go against most of the sensibilities of humankind, or at least the preferences of straight males.

morganfell5043d ago

Some of us, apparently more than you realize, have female gamer friends...

R2D25043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

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Silver3605043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

You would be able to talk to your friends in 3D. That is no where near the same as the camera reading your body and using your motions in a video game. Also as stated time and again by Primesense what KInect does is based off of Microsoft's software. What they are doing with Kinect is bleeding edge technology. They are condensing what would take a large studio and actors with various tracking balls attached to their bodies for motion capture and making a camera do this on its own. I am not saying the PS3 can not do this with a Kinect like camera. I am saying some small firm doesn't have the resources to pull off the testing, data collection and software design to make this happen.

Edit: Author of article is making a faulty leap that 3D chatting is the same a body tracking.

P1NKY5043d ago

The reason film studios etc use special suits will balls on them is because a camera can track the balls much more accurately than trying to distinguish a persons body and tracking that.

This 3D body tracking isn't really new. It just isn't the best way of tracking a person. It's better for gaming, but not for professional use.

kneon5043d ago

That's right, a camera for recording 3D images/video is not the same as one for sensing depth, which is what kinect is. But that is not required for full body motion tracking, the eyetoy was doing that on the PS2, without the depth perception or course. But that is just fine for most kinds of games anyway.

Ju5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

"some small firm" ... something like, aeh, ... Sony. Hm, yep, some small firm...especially because they do this since 2000 now /s

Downtown boogey5043d ago

This is NOT THE SAME AS KINECT though.

fr0sty5043d ago

it technically could be used to pull off the same effect however, being that the 3d camera can see where you end and the background begins, it can use that to isolate your body from it and also tell how far a limb is away from the camera by comparing the 2 slightly offset video feeds. toss move in there, and microsoft will be wishing that it were connect. 3D video chat sounds awesome too!

nutcase4u5043d ago

For 3D video chat there would need to be an incredibly high framerate. The PS-Eye doesn't have a very high framerate when chatting online with friends and family, (but I still love it anyway). Any online video chat, even Skype, has relatively low framerates which are much lower than what 3D requires.

I love my PS3 and it's an extremely powerful machine, but internet capabilities of even the highest performing companies (like RoadRunner) can't support online 3D video chat quite yet. It will be 10-20 years before we see anything like this.

Ju5043d ago

That's BS. The simplest form would be to transmit two streams with an angle each, compress, decompress, recompose. Also, because I am certain, those two streams share 80% of common pixels, load would possibly only increase by 20% (or something) - you wouldn't compress two streams, but package them into one first, than compress. The result is one (bigger) video stream.

Or, you go with face recognition. We've seen this before. The party games all let you map your own face on a fictional character - in real time. Here, you can do the same. Create vertex data out of image recognition, use a video to simply map that to that now virtual face and in combination you will get a 3D video stream. Vertex data will be small (only a couple of coords, or even only ref-data, since you can reconstruct on the client side) and the video is basically the same.

Both solutions would hardly stretch bandwidth limitations over current limits. The first needs a 3D camera, the second would work with the current PSEye.

Inside_out5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

That a boy...Wii Move, now it's Kinect me tO_O...Love how the Sony camp are gonna spin this one...lol But, But it's an eye toy...lol

How is Kevin Butthurt gonna do his pew, pew, pew commercials...Sony, we only do everything THIRD best...Spin kids...But, it needs buttons...lol

Kinect is patented and belongs to M$...

fr0sty5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

kinect me too? um... kinect? the eyetoy rip off that even stole the name of one of eyetoy's games (kinetic)? or wait, a second generation rip off since vision cam attempted to do what eye can do but flopped. let's not forget about nintendog... i mean kinectimals, and wii spor... i mean kinect sports.

at least when sony copies something, they actually make it better. not the case with microsoft, who's idea of archery in a sports game is aiming with your left hand and shooting by waving your right hand back and forth like you're fanning a fart.

and... since sony has move and all, this solution WILL have buttons in addition to superior 3d motion tracking and 3d video capabilities (assuming this rumor were true) that kinect can't even do since 360 doesn't support HDMI 1.4 needed to connect to a 3dtv.

so, all the while Microsoft will just keep on knocking 3d, saying it's not ready for the market, you can't do it while chewing gum, and then whisper out of the side of their mouths that they "have a 3d strategy in place and 3d 360 games are coming, blah blah".

Xfanboy5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

Thought Kenect type of camera was stupid now it's not for some reason?? wow!!

I don't care about losing bubbles Im just wondering what's going on in the heads of these fanboys??

Motion stuff is ok but I will be diving into 3d!!

ifhd5043d ago

Dr.Richard Marks(EyeToy creator) was working for years on 2d and 3d Camera
Digital Foundry: When you began your research, did you look into the z-cams, like Project Natal?

Richard Marks: Yeah, actually we did.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

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DaTruth5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

Apparently you won't be buying it; the disagreers have spoken!

@Cossie 123 below: PS3D camera has a controller and has decent games; not one game(Richochet) that is pretty much the same in 2D! That is the difference.

Wizziokid5043d ago

with sony I could see it happen since they want to push 3D but I don't really care about 3D.

But for people that do this would be a very nice addition.

cossie1235043d ago

and the ps3 gamers slated kinect lol.

uplank5043d ago

That because Kinect currently looks useless. We cant judge this yet as we havent seen it.....

jay25043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

EDIT:
@uplank. Sorry, misunderstood you

uplank5043d ago

Err Jay2 - i meant we havent seen any PS3 Version. Not Kinect. Kinect was a joke, and thats the reason it was slated.

AndersDK5043d ago

And now only one thing(3d video chat) can make you say that it might be a good ideer!? :) So If Kinect where to announce 3D video chat Kinect would be usefull and worth buying then??

uplank5043d ago

@AndersDK if it worked then yes. Thats the problem i see with kinect - i dont see anything that makes me feel that it will actually work!

Apolloeye5043d ago

@AndersDK As far as I know MS don't like 3D and have no plans to use it.

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edhe5043d ago

It's different, because Sony did it.

commodore645043d ago

You are spot on!

Video chat on 360 .... poooh! kinect sux!
Video chat on ps3 .... omgwtfbbq Sony is awesome!

/srcsm

Spenok5043d ago

Your retarded, im sorry i have to say it. Video chat has been available on PS3 since the system launched. Just an FYI.

JustTheFactsMr5043d ago

PS3 has done 6-way video chat for a long time now. Old news.

extermin8or5043d ago

this would have to do more thn just 3D chat for me to get it and to me kinect still looks like a flashy eyetoy....

redsquad5043d ago

Yes I did slate Kinect as an evolutionary blind alley for gaming, but I also think this is just as pointless.

Scotland-The-Brave5043d ago

not every ps3 gamer, STOP painting us with the same brush!

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ThanatosDMC5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

Hmmm... if this is true, i better not accept some people's chat invites cuz i might see some 3D dongs popping up on my screen in the future, but then again i only accept the females and relatives on my friends list.

Briefcase Joe5043d ago (Edited 5043d ago )

mmm...3D dongs.

/jk

Briefcase Joe5043d ago

I guess the people that disagreed with my joke like 3D dongs?

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Joy Ride Turbo - The Beginning of the End for Xbox Kinect

Joy Ride Turbo launched 10 years ago today. The first title was Xbox Kinect exclusive, yet this sequel failed to support the device at all.

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10 of the Biggest Video Game Hardware Failures Ever

Cultured Vultures: "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal, and no matter how much developers might try, some gaming hardware just fails to hit the mark. We’ve compiled a list of 10 gaming hardware fails, and boy did some fail hard."

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Knightofelemia819d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog818d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry916818d ago (Edited 818d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing69818d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming818d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer79818d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember818d ago

@Gamer79

How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog818d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop818d ago (Edited 818d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog818d ago (Edited 818d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop818d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic817d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop817d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic816d ago (Edited 816d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal818d ago (Edited 818d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic817d ago (Edited 817d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf10818d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar818d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf10818d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell818d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf10818d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv72818d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming818d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog818d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming818d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming818d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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Pivotal Decisions in Gaming History - Xbox Goes All-In on Kinect

Xbox 360's Kinect had flopped yet Microsoft insisted on mandatory Kinect for Xbox One, driving the price up and alienating their potential customers.

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darthv72995d ago

the tech was pretty damn good but their focus on making it the centerpiece was not. Had they opted to keep it as a secondary or even tertiary device, it may have found new use for AR/VR.

PrimeVinister995d ago

Maybe. But they were two early for VR and too late for motion control

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Godmars290995d ago

Their focus was marketing metrics. Information gathering for targeted advertising. Also "event curating" or head counting for special TV events. If MS had had their way with always online and mandatory Kinect pre COVID, as and during it they'd likely be turning into dominant presence in many Western homes. Be getting subsidized by Disney and other streamers as well as the NFL.

Thing was, Kinect as an actual game system, its games, just weren't ready. MS moved on it too soon. Thankfully.

Atticus_finch995d ago

Sorry but it was incredibly bad for gaming. The thing barely worked as intended and the games were broken shovelware. And let's not forget all the lies from Xbox to try and sell it. What happened to Milo?
It's like Xbox it's a perpetual lying machine.

PrimeVinister995d ago

I had almost forgotten about Milo. It looks so unbelievable in retrospect. How did anyone believe it?!

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TheEnigma313995d ago

Kinect requirement, TV focused, DRM, and $100 buried Xbone before it even stared.

PrimeVinister995d ago (Edited 995d ago )

I think Kinect was the worst of the bunch. They reversed DRM overnight and try to play down the TV stuff when they realised it made them look disinterested in gaming.

Kinect stuck around for six months, preventing sales and making more and more people upset when they dropped the Kinect and the price.

Atticus_finch995d ago

Don't forget the inferior hardware which affects their game development to this day.
And the constant boasting and lying that hasn't change very much to this day.

kayoss995d ago

I was kind of excited for the kinect. It had potential. That was until i tried it at one of their Microsoft store. The thing was so laggy and worker who was there, had no clue what he was doing. It kind of made rethink about buying an Xbox One with Kinect.

PrimeVinister995d ago

I had already been turned off of the idea by Kinect for 360. Even when it worked, the games were bad and showed no potential.

Wii made you understand what they were going to do with it within about 10 seconds of Wii Sports. It went on to become a bit of a joke but at least it worked and had a purpose.

Thundercat77995d ago

The damage to the Xbox brand was so hard that til this day they are just the last place brand in the market.

PrimeVinister995d ago

Totally. They haven't been really all that relevant since.

Godmars290995d ago

That has to do with repeatedly failing, having to reaffirm only to again fail at creating a competent flow of decent games.

@PrimeVinister:
Until Game Pass and BC are mentioned. Only for the point to be missed.

kayoss994d ago

thats because they dont know what they want to be. A gaming console, Television, or a gaming service?

Godmars290994d ago

@kayoss:
They wanted, expected, to be Steam. To have everyone coming to them and paying for the privilege. That's the exact mentality on display when they tried to push always online.

brewin994d ago

Its sad because the Xbox one version of Kinect was actually pretty solid. Not for motion games, I couldnt care less about those, but for the other features that are now commonplace in the gaming ecosystem. Things like voice control and optional motion features in games. Stuff that Sony did with the PS camera was pretty sweet and they could have done some of that stuff with Kinect.

The tech was pretty sweet when implemented right though. Who remembers the implementation in Dead Rising 3?! You could lure zombies away by saying stuff into the kinect, it was a bit hokey at first, but it actually enhanced the game significantly once you learned all the different voice commands. There was and still is nothing else like that!

The focus on TV seemed to be an issue for people, but the TV pass through had some real potential. They could have had cable companies giving the XBone out instead of cable boxes! I understood what they were trying to do, but they needed to show the games too, and thats where they lost the core gamers. Being able to jump right to a sports event or TV show with out leaving the console was actually a pretty cool thing. I spent many nights switching between NHL games or TV shows and jumping right back into my games seamlessly, just by telling Kinect to do so. It was better than people care to admit, but I loved it!

People say XBone had no games, but on launch I got Dead Rising 3, AC Black Flag, Watch Dogs, Killer Instinct, Battlefield 4, Forza 5, and Ryse. That was actually a pretty solid lineup in hindsight! Then later on it got gems like Quantum Break, Dead Rising 4, Sunset Overdrive, Gears 4 and 5, the Ori games, Rare Replay, Forza Horizon 3/4, State of Decay 2, ReCore (SUPER UNDERRATED GEM), Halo 5, Halo Wars 2, and all the great 3rd party stuff as well! I dare anyone who sat on the Xbox One to go back and give it a shot now.

It was actually a pretty great console all things considered. Yes the PS4 had better 1st party stuff, stuff that MS just couldnt top or even compete with, but there are some really great games that a lot of people missed out on that they would probably really enjoy if they actually played them. Thats why I recommend a Series S and Gamepass to a lot of people, as its a great way to get an awesome lineup pf games for super cheap!

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