EA tech responds to "Madden's Raiders" about the inferior version of Madden '08 on the PS3

The following is a response to a query a member of N4G (Madden's Raiders) sent to EA yesterday. The response was quick and polite and surprisingly honest.

Hello Scott,

Thank you for your feedback regarding the issues you've found with Madden NFL 08 for the PlayStation 3 game console. While we fully understand your frustration with the limitations the technology has placed against the video frames per second of the game play on the PlayStation 3 game console, it was out intent to put out the best possible with Madden across 10 platforms. While it is very simple to draw a conclusion based on the end-user experience with the game technology, what most people do not realize is hours of research which goes into fully understanding the hardware demands for each console. In the case of the next-generation consoles, many publishers have been developing titles for the Xbox 360 for over 3 1/2 years while everyone who publishes now for the PlayStation 3 with the exception of Sony has been developing for the PlayStation 3 for only a little over one full year. The differences in the overall knowledge of the hardware is vastly different for both consoles and, as is the case with newer technology, it is very difficult to get it right the first time. As for frame-rate differences, 30 frames per second is the same for all PS 3 football games this year, not just Madden but also NCAA Football, and 2K Sports' offering as well. If you choose not to purchase the game, it is a choice fully understand and respect. Please know that I have passed your feedback and observations on to the game team and hopefully someone within their team will be able to address this matter further.

Sincerely,

Rob M.
EASPORTS Sr. Technical Support

[Maddens Raiders]

shall set you free. I don't feel as mad and bad as I did before I sent this. It's as I hypothesized and some of you as well, that the 360 version is essentially the lead platform with more time to develop for and the PS3 version will come into its own. Now I can breathe again. I'll keep you all updated on future responses from maybe Peter Moore himself. lol =]

cheers

[timmyp53]

very nice =) lol

[Violater]

Just say the word and we will boycott their Sh!t.

[Maddens Raiders]

I am not doing this for me, but for the entire PSNation and really gamers around the world. Like I said, my resentment toward EA has dropped a few notches since receiving this response and I have replied back to them for even more clarification and possibly an apology to the owners of all PS products for their seemingly, total lack of concern with the SNE brand as a whole; he even admits as much.

But, for the sheer honesty and prompt response to the query I think a reprieve might be in order until I get a response from them regarding official full disclosure, maybe on their website or a major publication. It's simply ludicrous for major news outlets like CNN and others to tout this game a true measure of the PS3's capabilities or any other of the SNE consoles.

Bottom line: They're leading people to think that something is wrong with the hardware (across the world!) and no one is saying anything about it. If EA does not address this issue in the public eye, then maybe yes, a boycott could be in order.

Ridiculous? You be the judge.

[juandren]

I think its great that you took the bull by the horns (your avatar made me say that) More people should question devs when they give half-assed or no answers. Bubble for you!

[ItsDubC]

Honestly, I think you're blowing this out of proportion. You're an avid Madden fan and of course it sucks to get an inferior version on your preferred console. But like the support rep said, the Cell is new technology and EA will have a better understanding of it for Madden '09. I'm confident that '09 will run at 60fps on the PS3 and that it would have even if you had never sent your complaint. There is always a price to pay for early adoption.

Perhaps for '10 or '11 the PS3 version of Madden will be the far superior version but until then, everyone will just have to wait for knowledge progression with respect to parallel programming.

[kingofps3]

Awesome Maddens Raiders. Well done man. You make us all proud. I am so glad you have done this step of going B3YOND. EA better pay some good attention to us, real gamers.

[bluebrad1974]

How did you ever reach contributer status? Hell anyone on this site could have posted this. You gave EA as your source, wtf? Let me guess you copied and pasted an e-mail you sent to yourself. You Sony fanatics are ruining what this site is supposed to be. Between approving forom posts, fake news, and SPG propaganda I don't see how anyone knows wtf is going on in the gaming industry. What if all the Wii, and 360 fans starting pulling news out of their ass the way you Sony fans do. Here is a newsflash, Playstation 3 is officially the brand of whiners and crybabies.

[Syko]

You need to also respect your elders. Maddens Raiders has been contributing to this site for a long time and while I don't agree with him most of the time. He isn't an annoying fanboy. He is just a PS3 defender and always has been. This story is not fake and I beg you to give a little more credit to maddens Raiders before lumping him in with the likes of the idiotic Sony fanboys around here.

Good job Maddens Raiders appreciate the EXCLUSIVE for N4G. Like I said we don't always agree but you usually don't say anything over the top so you're alright in my book, even if you do like that 30fps monster PS3
=P.

Had to get one in on ya. Thanks again for the story..

[Yosking]

Madden that was brave to stand up to EA man nice work. EA on the other hand really need to address a full disclosure this is almost like disrespect to ps3 and psnation.

ROCK ON PS3!

[Shin_Akakage]

It's pretty unrealistic for me or anyone here to think buy all of what this guy is saying. Specifically this line...

"many publishers have been developing titles for the Xbox 360 for over 3 1/2 years while everyone who publishes now for the PlayStation 3 with the exception of Sony has been developing for the PlayStation 3 for only a little over one full year".

Sorry I'm not buying that. It would be foolish for anyone here to think that PS3 titles have only been developed for a little over 1 year. It takes much more time then that to develop the game from the ground up. NBA Live was a Launch title for PS3 and if memory serves me correctly Madden was originally suppose to show up at PS3 launch..but was scrapped before launch to make a better game(plus madden 07 was garbage on x360 too). And then keeping with the fact that PS3 was originally suppose to launch 3-4 months behind X360...Spring 06...its doubtful that they only had a year of development time. The fact that NBA 2k Launched with PS3 and was on par with X360 version is proof enough of that.

I do concede though that devs do not know PS3's hardware as well as X360's simply because the type of processor used in 360 is similiar to what they have been working with already, the 360 has better tools and a more developer friendly environment. PS3's cell is more difficult and more importantly more costly to develop for.

Madden is EA's KEY franchise and I'm sure they did everything they could to release the BEST version of the game they could on PS3. So there has to be some problem they ran into during the development cycle that forced this game to run at 30fps. Next year they'll fix it unless its a hardware problem(doubtful).

[InMyOpinion]

What concerns me is that there were a lot of bad spelling in the letter.

How can I be sure you did'nt compose this letter yourself? There's no proper source, no proof. It is known that you were very upset from this issue, and also that you often respond in defense to people who don't show love for the PS3. Not calling you a fanboy, but you're definately on the Sony side of things. It just leaves me doubtful. Show me some proof that this mail is legit and I won't doubt you.

Also, it's quite hilarious that N4G now approves "news" that has no real source at all and in turn fail legitamite review posts like my own that got canned for no real reason a couple of hours ago. Not old, no duplicate. Real source, no editing faults.

Check it out:

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

[bootsielon]

You're the best, buddy

[Gizmo_Logix]

QTF! :D

[eLiNeS]

It looks like you wrote this yourself, why I don't know but a word is misspelled is why I ask.

"it was out intent to put out the best possible with Madden across 10 platforms." shouldn't it read "it was ouR intent"?

[Crazyglues]

I feel your pain... I am very happy with the response and it seems like they handled it the best they could not having more time with the PS3 dev kit.

So I guess the next Madden will be just as Sweet on PS3. I wish more companies could just come out and keep it real, and say "hey where having problems with the PS3 version but we will get it right next time."

I can respect that and Buy the game now.

[sloth4urluv]

I thought this was pretty much understood already.
Its not like EA had a grudge against playstation or microsoft is paying EA money to keep PS3 version at 30fps.

If you believe that you must be retarded.
PS3 has been out for less time than the 360, its harder to develop for end of story.
Its not that the PS3 cant do 60fps its just going to dake devs a little longer to figure out how to write more effcient code for it.

Nobody picks up a guitar for the first time and starts jamming out. Do you expect Devs to figure everything out instantly? This goes for all consoles not just the PS3.

You fanboys need to grow up, its not a damn war or anything.

[elitesupreme]

it is a sign of fear ^^. The very first X360 Madden 06 ran at only 30fps! Yet, all of you fanboys think that the PS3 Madden is the worst thing ever for being 30fps only? Get over it. Nobody whined about that fact because:

1- nobody noticed or knew any better
2- there wasn't a "better" version to compare it to.

So, anybody who chooses to use the 60fps vs 30fps as ammo against the PS3, is BLISSFULLY IGNORANT!!!

[MACHone]

All this over frame rate issues!

Thank God both the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions came out on the same date or we could be sitting in the middle of WWIII right now.

[Ju]

How can that be a WW ? The rest of the world can care less about Madden. That's an American thing... :)

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

I have to agree with Ju... I myself never have seen an original American Football game for consoles in any store, only for PC, but even in few stores.

[Robotz Rule]

Nice work Maddens!

[drtysouf21]

Maddens! We should fly to their head office and speak to them face to face! Just playin!

[Marceles]

"Totally unacceptable that the freakin' Wii version gets an "editor's gold" from IGN and they just sh*t all over the version you guys squirted out for the PS3"

Lol, the most professionally written letter ever! :P But I'm glad that instead of saying, "the 360 is just way better technically than the PS3", they said they've spent more time on the 360's hardware and happen to know it very well while they are still learning to develop for the PS3. Nice letter Maddens..

edit: lol @ war picture

[LSDARBY]

Nice one

[pilotpistolpete]

I'm surprised they answered you with that tone. They did have a point though. The Cell is new and you;d expect there to be a long learning curve.

[unsunghero28]

If I was EA I would have responded:

SHUT UP YOU LITTLE F@GGOT

YOU TRY BUSTING YOUR ASS EVERY DAY TO ANIMATE 22 HIGHLY DETAILED CHARACTERS ON SCREEN AT ONCE ON AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX PIECE OF HARDWARE THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE ON EARTH KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY USE

IF I EVER SEE YOUR SH*TTY FACE AGAIN THEN YOU CAN GUARANTEE I'M GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS SO HARD THAT MY FOOT'LL GO THROUGH YOUR INTESTINES AND RIGHT INTO YOUR BRAIN AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO READ A STOP SIGN, LET ALONE AN IGN REVIEW

[SmokeyMcBear]

hey maddens.. did you get the game already? Are you taking it back? Well, I know you are telling everyone not to buy the game.. but.. i... must... buy.. the... game. I just can't help it, I need my madden fix every sunday. So if you do have the game and plan on keeping it for the ps3, well we gotta get a little scrum in online. Oh yeah, i just got season tickets for the raiders, sec 246, woohoo.

[Maddens Raiders]

No. I simply refuse to give into this refuse from EA. I want a complete version like the 360 owners are enjoying, even if it is a re-hash with better framerate. Why should I buy their leftovers. And believe me Smokey, it hurts me as well not to play this year, but I'm not going to go buy a whole new system just to play their game. And if that means waiting 'til next year, my patience is virtuous.

[SmokeyMcBear]

ah i understand you maddens. I still remember the all night tournaments sessions with madden, the 40 dollar games, the eddie george, culpepper, vick, faulk covers, the huge leap in game speed from 2002 to 2003, the giddyness of the hitstick in 2005. Man those ps2 years were amazing, and its getting off on the wrong foot in this era. But god dammit, i need football, I breathe eat and sleep football. I'll tell ya, theres nothing like being at the raiders game tailgate, with bbq going, a cooler full of beer, and playing madden on one 20" tv while watching the 10:00 games on another, stupid EA, at least i have my memories,

haha at the disagrees.. not sure what they are disgreeing with, i guess my opinion is not my opinion, or the fact that im probably still gonna get the game, or the questioning if you have the game or not, interesting.

[Deafman420]

even if it means waiting the year after that. Or even the year after that...or maybe even the year after. heh heh heh..sorry dud, i just had to. Crazy ain't it?

[MikeGdaGod]

but i don't. i bought it for ps3 and psp today.

but honestly.....i've been playin it on 360 for about two weeks and all day today on ps3. while i can tell a small difference, its not bad enough for me to not get the game.

i completely understand ur logic but i just couldnt wait.

[Daishi]

If the 360 version ran at 30 fps like it did the last 2 years would this be a big deal? Personaly I can't tell a difference unless running the PS3 version side by side with the 360. Also does it not make more since for an American system running an American made game to be looked at in a higher light by the American press? You need to look at the political implications and not just personal agenda. I have very little respect for EA and I personaly respect what you are doing, but you have to look at the not so obvious just as much as the obvious. Good luck and I would love to see if the little guys like us can make a difference. This could end up being a big deal for the entire gaming community if you bring about change!

[tudors]

"While we fully understand your frustration with the limitations the technology has placed against the video frames per second of the game play on the PlayStation 3 game console"

[Snake_Doctor]

"While we fully understand your frustration with the limitations [our lack of knowledge of] the technology has placed against the video frames per second of the game play on the PlayStation 3 game console"

*fixed

[unsunghero28]

"Totally unacceptable that the freakin' Wii version gets an "editor's gold" from IGN and they just sh*t all over the version you guys squirted out for the PS3..."

Why the hate, dude?

[TheExecutive]

Yeah.
If I was EA I would have responded:

SHUT UP YOU LITTLE F@GGOT

"YOU TRY BUSTING YOUR ASS EVERY DAY TO ANIMATE 22 HIGHLY DETAILED CHARACTERS ON SCREEN AT ONCE ON AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX PIECE OF HARDWARE THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE ON EARTH KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY USE

IF I EVER SEE YOUR SH*TTY FACE AGAIN THEN YOU CAN GUARANTEE I'M GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS SO HARD THAT MY FOOT'LL GO THROUGH YOUR INTESTINES AND RIGHT INTO YOUR BRAIN AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO READ A STOP SIGN, LET ALONE AN IGN REVIEW"

why the hate dude?? Try not to be such a hypocrite in the same post. it makes you look dumb.

[unsunghero28]

That was actually a joke. Why did I get so many disagrees, actually? Nothing I said was all that bad except that the PS3 is tough to develop for, which it is.

Ah well, it was worth the bubble.

[ItsDubC]

"Totally unacceptable that the freakin' Wii version gets an "editor's gold" from IGN and they just sh*t all over the version you guys squirted out for the PS3"

I think you would've done better to hide your bias, as it detracts from your significance. Do you think EA thinks it's unacceptable that the Wii version got Editor's Gold? I could easily see that sentence being a laughing-stock at EA.

Good job applying pressure though.

[Deafman420]

the laughing stock right here dawg

[cdzie1]

NCAA Football 360: ~500,000 units
NCAA Football PS3: ~100,000 units

They knew the Xbox version would sell better so they probably put more development money into it. I hate to say it, but except for PS3 first party games and exclusives, the PS3 version is usually going to look worse compared to the Xbox version. The Xbox is easier to program for and the larger Xbox audience justifies putting more $$$ into Xbox development.

[BrianC6234]

Time for these third party developers to stop being lazy. It's well known by everyone now the way to develop these games is make the PS3 version and port to the 360. Instead they do it backwards. It isn't hard to port a PS3 game to the 360. If you make a 360 game though it's complicated to port to the PS3. Which is most likely the reason the PS3 version of Madden is 30 FPS instead of 60.

[Ju]

I'd just like to add a comment about the "lazy devs", which appears here and there. I doubt they are lazy devs. They do what they get told. And having a new product (PS3), a lower sales expectation and the pressure from the management (even though they will point to the "market") leads to inferior results. That's just it. Some do not want to spend the money, but I don't think it is because devs don't want to make a perfect game (or are lazy for that matter).
Somebody in product management has a roadmap to Madden 09 already. And not releasing 08 will have an impact on 09 (or other schedules), which will have a bigger audience anyway and better sell thru numbers.
Well, I personally would have said, release it later and make it worth it. EA is a bXtch, we all know that.

[Daishi]

Of course it's lazy devs, because it's easy to make a game identical on 10 platforms... Just look at the color black every console can run it just fine...

[kingboy]

Great job Maddens Raiders it`s always vital to voice out opinions when things ain`t going the right direction.

[Bill Gates]

Good job Maddens.

Keep in mind what I said a few weeks ago about the removal of Peter Moore into EA, and EA individuals coming to M$. Fishy stuff is about to happen with allot of EA multi-platform games on the PS3. This will not be the first time it will happen either. It's called sabotage people. EA is beginning to feel allot of heat from Sony studios, and between EA, and M$, they will try EVERYTHING in their powers to prevent Sony to show them up.

Think of it as a conspiracy theory or whatever you like, but it is how it is, and I'm sure Sony is a very smart company and is highly aware of what these two companies are trying to do to them.

But those who cheat get nowhere in life, and when, and if they do get there, they fall very hard, and very quickly.

I knew all along there was something very fishy with all these moves between EA, and M$. These two companies resemble the Bush Administration......AAAHAHHAAA

[Captain Tuttle]

I want what you're smoking man.

[InMyOpinion]

That would be PCP mixed with dog feces, horse semen, dwarven toe nails and just a hint of garden fresh tyme.....

[Captain Tuttle]

LMAO!! Thanks man, I needed a laugh today.

Have a bubble

[Snake_Doctor]

I bought college football so I can wait this year's madden out. But still next years version better be on point!

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Haha Madden was so flustered about it he took it out on the poor schmucks at EA.

Feel better now? Good.

I'm sorry for PS3 gamers getting a turd version of the premier football franchise in all gaming's history.

So hopefully PS3 owners will get better games, as dev's learn to program for the cell. Hopefully.

I still say buy a 360 if you want to enjoy games NOW.

<EDIT> I know the difference is minimal. But any difference at all is bad when its a negative for the much more expensive console that was touted as "the only next gen console".

The PS3 version should be at least up to par with the 360 version.

This is just bad news for Sony. People are going to learn about this, and they'll choose to buy a 360 to play Madden, rather than the PS3.

No matter how you look at it, it's bad news for PS3 owners.

Not hating. The PS3 version should be right where the 360 version is. But it isn't. Because of the CELL.

How many multiplats is it going to take before you guys realize that the 360 is way better at multiplats. ATM at least.

[genericname]

"I'm sorry for PS3 gamers getting a turd version of the premier football franchise in all gaming's history."

I've seen both versions, the differences are so minimal. Remember, Gears is 30fps and was hallowed as the greatest game ever.

[BIadestarX]

Yes... but 60fps version of gears was not released for the PS3 the same day. 3rd party are the only way to compare 2 consoles... and so far.. the PS3 sucks in that department.

[popup]

You know its funny. When anyone mentions Oblivion for the PS3 looking better than the 360 version a barrage of people respond "yeah but they had a further year to make it better"

The answer and the question are pretty obvious really.

[BrianC6234]

This issue isn't about learning the PS3 hardware. It's about being lazy or more interested in making fast money. Make the game on the 360 and make a sloppy PS3 port. But if they want to port the games it has been mentioned you should port from the PS3 to the 360. Maybe one day these companies will figure that out.

[the greatest]

PS3 RULES

[gamehendge]

i think the bot line is when they port it to the PS3 they use just one SPU, its simpler and faster for them that way.

[Rims]

Good job dude, I'm glad EA gave a clear repsonse and actually care about feedback.

[skinzfan]

you are a great embassador

[sajj316]

I understand your frustration. I myself am a fan of American football and I appreciate a solid NFL football game. Its the reason why I still play NFL2K5 on my PS2 to this day. I find the answer by EA to be quick and honest. He is right in that there is just more development knowledge on the 360 right now. Will it ever equalize? Maybe ... as developers expose the hardware more. Will it ever transcend the 360 ... maybe if the 360 hardware is tapped to its limits.

[BIadestarX]

"Will it ever transcend the 360 ... maybe if the 360 hardware is tapped to its limits. " or maybe not. You will have to wait 1 more year to see if you are right.... Sony fanboys can only hope that's the case... when ohh when... developer will tapped the xbox 360 limits... in the mean time xbox 360 get to play the best game from 3rd party multiplatform games.... it's a sad day.... so sad... it makes me want to cry...

[sajj316]

one year from now .. compare Madden 09. I have no problem with the multiplatform issue as I have both machines. If the PS3 is what it is ... it should have no problem equalizing ONE year from now.

[InMyOpinion]

Just you wait...one year from now...it will show it's true potential...you will be sorry...hmmm...where have I heard that before?

[ericnellie]

We all know the PS3 in a complicated piece of hardware and people just aren't as familiar with it as other platforms. At least they gave it a shot. I'll get the 360 version this time but, EA better not mess up again...lol;)

[Fighter]

I can't believe they wrote you back with a response. At least they admitted their screw-up. But that is still an excuse to cover their laziness.

[Expy]

I wonder what Ubisoft has to say about their ports. (Haze doesn't count, since it's not even developed by Ubisoft).

[bluebrad1974]

You Sony fanboys are really pathetic, and yes I reported this fake story to the mods.

[sajj316]

You obviously don't know Maddens Raiders (I don't personally know him) but he's respected on this site. Report it all you want. What he's doing is good for gaming. The power is with us consumers ... not the game publishers.

[bluebrad1974]

I don't care who he is or how long he's been on this site. Anyone could post a story such as this. This is a news site, not an internet forum.

[razer]

Talk about some insecure fanboys..

You got a response from tech support! hahaha

"please please Mr. EA tech support guy, please tell me my system is good."

Sony's system was originally delayed because of Blu-ray diode issues but the devkits were out right around the same time the 360's were so I'm not buying it.

Is the PS Nation really this insecure and cry babies about everything? I love my PS3 and I don't need some freakin convincing that the system is good or the reason why all companies multiplatform games work better on the 360. How about you just grow up, suck it up and buy a 360 having both systems you don't have to ride on either consoles jock. Maddens blind devotion to a freakin TOY is sad really.

[s8anicslayer]

you don;t have to buy it you poor gastard!STFU

[super bill]

the truth is madden raiders is to get a 360.then you will have the best of both worlds.i mean the best madden 08 game,then you have the best console to play it on.can,t your little ps3 handle the framerate then.oh dear what a waste of money you have spent.developers no the ps3 is a pain in the backside to develop for.that is why stuntman has been canned and all those games getting push back.look at ghost recon 2 isn,t even out yet for the ps3.why us xbox owners have been playing it for months now.dirt is another one thats been push back.i rest my case madden raiders.what you need is a 360 then you can play the best version of madden.then you want be moaning about the craP FRAMRATE the ps3 has to offer.

[Wile]

People are actually writing EA about the PS3 version of this game? You guys need to get out more.

And then to associate your "fight for the PS3" with the demomstration at Tiananmen square by posting this article with that picture is classic.

[razer]

"I'm just speechless.
People are actually writing EA about the PS3 version of this game? You guys need to get out more.

And then to associate your "fight for the PS3" with the demomstration at Tiananmen square by posting this article with that picture is classic."

OMG! The picture puts nerd icing on the cake!! Dude, what little respect I had for this guy just went into the toilet.. How freakin embarassing..

[Yo Mama]

I don't buy that BS about them not knowing the PS3's technology! Maybe if they quit trying to rush out a new Madden on time every damn year, they could actually make one that looks and feels "Next Gen". And that goes for the 360 version as well, because they both look like they could be done on PS2 and Xbox.

Give it up for whole sections of crowds standing up and sitting down in unison!

Give it up for no postgame or half-time show!

Give it up for no HDD caching of highlights.

EA is a joke!

[Kyur4ThePain]

rather funny....it's like saying my car is slow because YOU can't get it over 30 mph.

[CNIVEK]

You've just embarrassed yourself (further), not only in front of the internet community, but the staff at EA Sports. You submitted a completely immature, unprofessional, fanboyish rant...filled with horrible grammar...and got back a very polite, succinct, and logical reply from one of the most hated Devs on the planet. Good job, dude....keep doing the SONY fanatics proud with your ignorance. :o

[sajj316]

b*tching about it on N4G.com ... eh? He wrote it like a pissed off consumer. That's it. I'd do the same.

[MyNutsYourChin]

I agree with CNIVEK and disagree with sajj316. Madden's Raiders just proved to EA that he's a total douchebag, someone to laugh at, and not take seriously. If I were the rep at EA who received this I would reply the same way except I'd be lying through my teeth with the statement, "Please know that I have passed your feedback and observations on to the game team and hopefully someone within their team will be able to address this matter further."

[CNIVEK]

..what he wrote, reeked of a 13 y.o. fanboy whining. I hate to tell you this, but 13 year olds are not largely considered a part of the "consumer" market. :o

[sajj316]

This 13 year old fanboy is getting all the comments now isn't he. The point is to generate a reaction. Whatever the message is as long as the end result is positive. I guess his choice of words is as mature as Peter Moore with a GTIV tatoo?

As long as this generates dialogue, he's done his job as a concerned consumer. Many roads to the same destination. If he wasn't taken seriously, any tech support person would have taken his commments and replied with a "We're looking into it".

[Primetimebt]

Call it what you want but Madden is EA, and EA makes a ton of other titles and if they can't seem to figure out the PS3 than alot of people at EA may be seeing the unemployment line in a couple years. The fact is EA needs he Playstation, and XBOX to strive to pay for better games, new games, and help pay those people at EA salaries I remember a couple years back when EA didn't make any games for the XBOX, so how did they bring in all there money? Nintendo? No it was Playstation. After reading there response to Madden Raiders, EA and M$ CEO swappings, and this piece of crap game I paid $60 for I will not buy another EA game this year like alot of PS owners and than they can tell ppl like they've been tell people that there profit is down because of lack of PS game sales. In another year there license agreement with the NFL is up so let's just hope the NFL is smart enough to allow 2k to get in on the action.

[CNIVEK]

GTFO of here with your bullsh1t, son. EA's been making games for the XBOX brand since it launched in 2001...hardly "a couple years ago"....and for MS's PC market since LOOOOOONG before Sony showed up in gaming. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, KIDDO. :o

[Deafman420]

of some episodes on CHEATERS. It's so funny. Some lil B@tch crying and wailing about how they got cheated on, kicking and screaming then begging the person they busted to come back home. hahahaha D@amn im sorry, no offense but seriously thats the picture i got from reading it.

i wanted to spell out B@tch as in something u'd call a female dog but n4g won't allow me to. aww come on...we're all mostly adults here arent we N4G?

[Ravenator529]

This sounds eerily familiar to a comment that I left about the whole 30 fps vs 60 fps.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

I guess common sense does win over in the end.

How much sense does it make for EA to "purposly" leave out 60 fps on the PS3 version?

None!

[SpenserTracy]

He knows they made a bad game for the PS3, he says the choise is your to make if you want the game or not, it's up to you. I think not. It's not right to make a lesser version on a console that has at least the same power as the other. It's not okay to fool everyone they want to make a better game next time just to make people buy their crappy version. He is just arrogant and should be fired on the spot.

[Munky]

Why does it bother you so much? It's a videogame. Don't worry man the season is going to kick off soon enough.

[Whoooop]

MAN.. Maddens I gotta say that I would've never do something like that, because that's just who I am and I don't get irritated that much about things like this, BUT (and a BIG BUT).....

I must say I respect you for doing what you think is the right thing to do in order to express your dislike towards EA..

It takes balls to actually do something like that and post it everywhere despite who read it.. I admire your determination and your loyalty.. those are good qualities.

The important thing is that you did what you had to do to express how you felt. Most of the people here wouldn't do that with anything in life if they had a 100 chances.

I admire that for real.. cheers my friend

[trueltie5]

You spoke for us and I am a die hard madden gamer like many...EA just squirted out a HORRIBLE MADDEN once again..them of all people say they couldn't develop Madden the same as the 360 ?...It's OBVIOUS MS has BRIBED EA sports with madden (not to sound like Jack). But it's true. This sucks and I HOPE someone like 2k sports has a madden killer in the makings...I never thought this day will come but F madden..even 08 fails to impress !

[ItsDubC]

Wow dude. Do you really think that MS and EA... nevermind, it's no use.

Wow.

[cervantes99]

Although we are talking different platforms here, I remember EA having "difficulty" programming a quality football game for the PS1 as well when it was first released.

"Quality" was largely regarded as far superior on NFL GameDay during the Playstation's first couple of years. I'm sure the PS3 quality will rise considerably next year if past history is any indication.

[3sexty rulzzz]

YOU TRY BUSTING YOUR ASS EVERY DAY TO ANIMATE 22 HIGHLY DETAILED CHARACTERS ON SCREEN AT ONCE ON AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX PIECE OF HARDWARE THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE ON EARTH KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY USE

IF I EVER SEE YOUR SH*TTY FACE AGAIN THEN YOU CAN GUARANTEE I'M GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS SO HARD THAT MY FOOT'LL GO THROUGH YOUR INTESTINES AND RIGHT INTO YOUR BRAIN AND YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO READ A STOP SIGN, LET ALONE AN IGN REVIEW

[3sexty rulzzz]

you are a celebrity on this thread. PR just gave you what you wanted to here its their job. good luck though

[alexander22rednaxela]

The CPU in the PS3 (3,2g with 8 cores) is twice the power of the 360 CPU (3,2G with 3 dual-threaded cores), but the 360`S 512mg GPU is twice the power of PS3`s 251mg. If they would join together you would be playing a masterpiece.

[Wile]

is so misunderstood in these processor comparison posts.

[trueltie5]

www.boycottmadden.com . I already see the fanboys starting this...anyhow i did try madden today and it is what it is...It's like they yell in the crowd of a football game...New year same crap...Gosh when is the NFL license up for EA ? I hope 2k sports or someone has something in the works...i mean had they just slapped NFL logos and players on that all pro 2k8 it would put madden to shame..HONESTLY !

[MK_Red]

Awesome post and story Maddens Raiders. Its also N4G exclusive. :)

[Marceles]

"Please know that I have passed your feedback and observations on to the game team and hopefully someone within their team will be able to address this matter further."

lol...have to laugh at that part too. Did this guy really "pass the feedback" about the game to the game team and they're having a meeting about this at the moment? what a liar...he probably dragged the message to the recycle bin. "Oh sure Maddens I hear you..." *drag, delete, are u sure? yes, delete.*

[GoLeafsGo]

I guess since they're wrapping up PS3 versions without putting in too much effort, they've actually got a lot of time to answer emails.

[ApocalypseShadow]

it's a port. and EA is still struggling to grasp the power of ps3 thier first time out.

alot of you 360 fanboys cling to the multiplatform games as proof of 360 superiority,but when ps3 exclusive games trump 360 games,you cower in fear and come up with excuses.

"it's not about graphics."
"it's all about gameplay."
"look at the physics in our game."

you're all so sad at defending a system that obviously is not as powerful than ps3.

you're lying mag lev!""i'm going to ignore you."(i don't give a f*ck)

"oh really?" name one developer not exclusive to 360 that believes 360 is more powerful to ps3?the ones that want to keep making games on both will make excuses and say"well....both systems have advantages and disadvantages and it comes out as a wash in the end."

GET THE F*CK OUT OF HERE.

1080p native
1.3 hdmi
bluray disc
more hard drive space
more shader ops
cell more powerful than xenon.

"what?""what did you say?""i don't see any folding on xbox 360 sh!t heads.""and you never will."360 is not good enough."

you were comparing forza2 to gthd.but when polyphony dropped 16 cars in your faces and still had that detail and inpressive lighting,you ran to pgr4 to save your @sses."we have weather."i don't give a f*ck.GT5 still looks better.1080p at 60fps.

you were clinging to gears.but when mark reign said UT3 runs better now on ps3 than gears did on 360,you ran to bioshock.

when lair put all that sh!t onscreen and showed you vistas that no 360 game has shown,you ran to a f*cked up EGM review to make yourselves sleep better.

when killzone was shown and was doing more things at the same time onscreen,you said halo was never about graphics.it's only a "beta."or we have call of duty 4.so do we f*ckers.we got it too.

same with ratchet.same with uncharted.same with resistance and 40 players.same with warhawk with air and ground battles.

and it will continue.ps3 exclusive games will look better and do more with more time and effort.

keep clinging to those ports while sony and its exclusive devs show you where the power is.thanks madden for the heads up even though i already knew where EA was coming from.

.................mag lev super train............muther f*ckers.....

[nambo]

shows how defensive you are about the PS3 performance so far. So which Sony exclusives are so much better than the 360 exclusives. And stop talking about games that are GOING to come out. You've never played them so saying how great they are doesn't mean a thing...Lair for example with all it's hype is getting average scores...but that's because the reviewers hate Sony right.

[BrianC6234]

Nambo - Lair isn't getting average scores. In fact, all the scores I've seen so far have been good. Only EGM gave Lair a bad review. But their latest comments in a podcast 1up just did are confusing. The guy who talked about it said the controls are good. In fact, everything that is important about a game was fine. Yet he still didn't like it. He had to grasp for reasons. His reasons are lame too. So EGM won't be having me as a subscriber for long maybe. Not because I disagree with a review but because this review is a mess. EGM has become a lousy magazine anyway.

[sak500]

Kudos to you Madden for standing up for your game.

Ok now whose in line for standing up against UBI when AC is released and then EPIC when UT is released and then Infinity ward when COD4 is released and then for HAZE and so on and so forth. Also dont forget you have options of boycotting their games, petitioning online and sending spam to their email addresses and lets not forget writing PS3 games suck on the game boxes in the shops

[nambo]

"while everyone who publishes now for the PlayStation 3 with the exception of Sony has been developing for the PlayStation 3 for only a little over one full year"

Didn't EA have at least 2 titles for the PS3 launch last November? I find it hard to believe that EA only spent a few months porting the games over. And let's not forget the PS3's launch was delayed so that's even more time developers had. Let's all be honest, developers have had the PS3 dev kits for close to three years.

[mcgrawgamer]

and bubbles. for this one. At least they responded. Truth I can only agree. I think people look at the ps3 like it's been out for 3 years cuz of the success of the ps2. It takes time to develop. Ps3 only been out for what 10 months? now if they come out with 30 fps for anymore sports games next year we got a problem. I say hold off on the boycott till next year. I say as gamers we'll take this response as though they are trying. same thing happens next year; i say we boycott. not as fanboys, but as gamers....

[mcgrawgamer]

How do I get 2 disagrees? Can someone please explain to me what do you disagree with about my first post???

[Salvadore]

Seems like a legit answer to me.

[achira]

like is said before. they worked with the xbox360 far longer. next year they will have enough experience to make the game perfect. ppl should only remember the crappy games for the xbox360 last year! developers need time thats only logical.

[Danega_Sciphor]

madden, me and you can make a great team, you've just proved that ps3 is not fully discovered, i prove ps3 tech is much more superior. I want to let you know i really respect whata you did for us and how you just PWNED 360 fanboys, you's my dog fo dat

do you have a PSN ID so we can play warhawk while xbots play, GAYLO, LOL
POG you have the worst excues, iys fake, your just mad because you bought five lagbox's and they scratch your disc

[Reason]

Even though many people send sloppy emails these days, it's hard to believe that an official representative from EA would fire out a serious message without first using a spell check function.

[power of Green]

Agreed!. Its fake.

Techicnal support rarely knows whats going on with companies internal operations. lol

Their not told such things for a number of reasons.

[ApocalypseShadow]

you couldn't counter what i said,so you say that i'm "upset."

GT5 looks better than forza2.it has been shown with one car at a competition and recently with 16 cars.even gthd looked better.it will be fact because it's already fact.we "saw"it.you owned yourself.

you probally never played halo3,but you expect it to be good.right?i expect GT5 to play as good or better than the previous games.and add to the 45 million gt series sales.what series on xbox and 360 has sold that much?none.when have they failed at making a stellar racing game?you owned yourself.

lair has more onscreen and has large size levels.and it was proven in a podcast that they(EGM) backpeddled on their review.you owned yourself.

killzone has been seen and played.it is a technical wonder that editors of game mags and websites say outdoes every other game made by microsoft exclusively.they didn't say halo3 looks better than killzone.you owned yourself.

uncharted has more animation than any 360 game so far.prove me wrong with a 360 game.you can't because you are already deep in the owning pit.

mark said so himself.but you want to disagree with him and unreal engine 3 that is running UT3.a dev or "YOU?"you owned yourself.

it would be best if you just stfu.you clearly have no counters.it's okay.you can't win them all.getaway,ffxiii,8 days and other titles will prove me right again.maybe you're "upset" that i'm right.

...........mag lev super train.............

[nambo]

You really should seek some help. This is after all game systems we're talking about, not decisions on life and death. As for counters, GT5 and Forza 2 are different games. One is a simulation with real physics and damage and the other an arcade racer. A better comparison would be PGR4 and GT5. There I've heard the car models are better on GT5, but the environments better on PGR4. I've also hear PGR4 has damage, but haven't heard of any for GT5. As for the other games, you're using hearsay as fact. I'd suggest you relax and play RFOM (the only decent PS3 exclusive) until the other games are released.

[The Wood]

wins this little batt o

Its called moving the goal posts in the UK

bubbles for mag 'angry' lev

[tehcellownu]

This is great!! everyone knows the ps3 is capable of doin better then the 360..i hope ea learn their lesson..

[tehcellownu]

Everyone knows the answer but its better to hear it from them..so it can shut up xbots..

[darkvenom]

Maddens Raiders i myself am not buying Madden 08 this year.why should we get a crappy port? it should be equal. and to those little 360 punks coming in here and spouting crap STFU!

[Russbomb]

Look yesterday I went into a gamestop (yes they do have those in norway)
And I was thinking on buying an nba game an nhl game and a nascar game and I saw the $60 prices and was turned off, so I bought old ps2 versions of them all for under 15 bucks!

If you can get past the graphics because your saving yourself a boat load of money then do it to because there are still a whole lot of ps2 online playing those games.

[heroman711]

EA is just lazy. Look at ninja theory, guerilla games, ubisoft, epic, konami, square enix, they creating games for ps3 like heavenly sword, killzone 2, haze, ut3, mgs4, ff13 and vs and they dont have hard developing for ps3.

sorry off topic but it had to be said. anyways thanks maddens for fixing this whole problem

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Ha Ha!

So many insecure PS3 owners in here.

The difference is negligable. Maybe you'll be able to tell if you look hard.

Whatever do what you want.

Boycott it. It would make me laugh if the already struggling PS3 is denied good sales for one of it's premier titles, because fanboys banded together and made a human chain or some other pansy sh1t.

[zonetrooper5]

So this letter is now, somehow telling the sony fanboys that the PS3 is better. Hmmm, brush up on your reading skills people and I mean that.

[FirstknighT]

Somebody call this guys mommy. You big baby!

Frustration is starting to spill out from the sony dorks. The ps3 is all hype. Even Factor 5s Lair is having problems with framerate. Just buy a 360 and play the best games. Stop being a lil crybaby!

The 360 is always prevailing and the ps3 is always failing!

[s8anicslayer]

isn't it the 360 that always fail, hence the red rings of death!

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

to get the PS3 version running at 60fps.

Keep the pressure on 'um Scott!

[Maldread]

The EA-guy is telling the truth as well, as anyone with some logic can see. It takes time for developers to get to know each system, hence why the games keeps getting better over time and why Gears won`t be the most graphical game the 360 will have produced when it`s lifespan will be over.

I also find it interesting to point out that last years version of Madden on 360, was running at 30fps as well.

EA for me, will always represent the company with bad fps. Look at FIFA to see what i mean.(Probably not the best example as most americans here care about american football, and not real football, as you guys use your hands more hehe ;), but...) I see them using the; "we-make-games-for-all-pl atforms-and-it`s-so-hard"- argument, but look at Pro Evo from Konami, who has beaten FIFA fps-wise every year. That still didn`t make Pro Evo sell as much, so fps is the isn`t most important aspects for everyone (having the licence to nearly every league can`t be bad either.

With that said, this multiplayer issue with worse fps is hurting the PS3. I wouldn`t place all the blame on Sony as they are trying trough EDGE and their collaboration with Epic on the UT3-engine, but if i were them, i would share even more of the first party stuff, so that developers (even if they are lazy) can get better to make decent PS3 versions too.

With the current situation it would be better if they delay their titles to make them run properly on the console, although most won`t do so, because it will cost them money, and people will still buy their game. But some people do want games that run better on their consoles, and then they do have the right to complain. So props to you Madden Raiders.

[FirstknighT]

Well when the original Xbox came out after the ps2 their were no problems. The xbox beat the ps2 in the graphics department from day 1.

[Maldread]

Thanks for at least replying instead of just clicking disagree, i wish more people would do that.

Well, although i would have to agree with you on that mainly, there was cases where it didn`t happen, like this with Formula One : http://www.gamerankings.com...

But yeah i`ll have to say i do agree with you on the whole PS2 and Xbox-comparison. But the thing is, we`re talking about 360 and PS3 here, so it`s not the same thing.

First of, Play Station games have always been harder to make historically, so i guess PS3 is no exception. But as 360 is designed, it`s much easier to port and develop for, as you could say was the same with PS2 and Xbox, but in a lesser degree if you ask me. A lot of developers say the porting between the PS2 and Xbox was much easier back then, than with PS3 and 360 now. Some have even warned about it.

Second, least i checked the beginning of 360 lifespan it was still plagued by a lot of titles that didn`t take advantages of it capabilities, even though it should be "easy" to develop for. But today it`s not the same situation, hence what i said about developers having to learn the machine.

Third, Madden 07 for 360 had 30fps last year.

[FirstknighT]

I never waste my time by pressing the disagree button, I'll just reply. But yeah Madden sucked the first try on the 360 but that is the beauty of coming out an year early...you get the kinks out first. Yeah the ps3 will eventually get their kinks out but the 360 will always be ahead of the pack. The 360 will always have more experience and is already known to be ALOT cheaper and easier to develop for. So I expect improvements over the years. The original xbox continued to amaze even it the final years ( Chronicles of Riddick, Doom 3)

"Second, least i checked the beginning of 360 lifespan it was still plagued by a lot of titles that didn`t take advantages of it capabilities"

I have to disagree with you on that one...Call of Duty 2 and Condemed screamed next gen. Kameo and PGR3 also impressed the hell out of me.

Thanks for a well thought out reply. If people here would give me a well mannered reply and I will also give them the same respect. But I usually get hostile replies so I'll come back with them harder...But anyway....bubble for u.

[Maldread]

Nice reply FirstknighT, again hehe.

For the titles that was plaguing 360 in the beginning i was mainly hinting at horrible ports, Tony Hawk for instance, just to be clear.

As for the PS3 vs 360 debate i don`t know, the PS3 is certainly lacking severely at the moment in the third party department, which needs to be corrected for PS3, at least by next year.At the same time, the first party seem to be doing some great things, so it will be interesting to follow if it will even out or not.

Hehe, i can understand your frustration of the fanboys here. Guess they bring out the Hulk in us all sometimes, ;) Bubbles for you too, for a good reply.

[The Wood]

Maldread and Firstknight

I prefer my beef when its not 'flame' grilled.

we can agree that it will take time to get things running as they should. It was the same with both the ps1 ps2 xbox and 360. If the same thing happens to the next madden then there will be a problem. For now people shouldnt be too pissed and others shouldnt be using this as some kind of victory.

l8r

[The Wood]

Maldread and Firstknight

I prefer my beef when its not 'flame' grilled.

we can agree that it will take time to get things running as they should. It was the same with the ps1 ps2 xbox and 360. If the same thing happens to the next madden then there will be a problem. For now people shouldnt be too pissed and others shouldnt be using this as some kind of victory.

l8r

[heroman711]

I think its...... PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME, ITS PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME

[SmokeyMcBear]

Der he go, Der He go

[heroman711]

NOW WAY AT, WAY AT, WAY AT, WAY AT, NOW DER YOU GO, DER YOU GO, DER YOU GO,DER YOU GO

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[ApocalypseShadow]

and was easy to make games on.also came out a year later.ps2 chipset was old.

ps3 is a computer,but not a pc.the cell chip is harder to make games on,but gives you more power when you know what you are doing.

nice try first.but you failed.

GT5 1080p native at 60fps.up to 16 cars.
nba 08 1080p native at 60fps.
ridge racer 7 at launch 1080p at 60 fps.
should i go on?

..................mag lev super train...............

[Ice]

i think sony should have sent in their guys to fix it since EA has a bunch of retards working for them. I really hope that they lose their nfl licence and sony makes a gameday again that destroys madden and makes it look like the last gen game that it is.

[Maddens Raiders]

for taking the time to read this post and comment on this situation that has posed a gulf between the 360 and the PS3 (perception -wise) with the inequities EA has touted out as a finished game for the PlayStation 3 owners out there. Not to mention the mess of NCAA 2008, but that's an entirely different show altogether. To all of you guys on my friends list and those that are not, I can assure you that this was not made up, or is some big game. You're not dealing with that type of person here, and there will be more to follow as far as I can tell. I've been in discussion with these people since and am awaiting response on a very important point that I am stressing with the EA sports department. I have registered my consoles and games for years with these people and they know that I am not messing around here about the looming boycott against Madden for the PS3. Even if the 360 install base outnumbers us right now - it is not an excuse for a game of this magnitude. Let me clarify this to my European brothers and sisters out there. A lot of you good folks can equate the love of your football directly with the love that "crazy Americans" have for College and NFL football. It's huge here in NA and I'm sure you can understand the insult it would be for them to offer a warmed over FIFA or similar iteration. In essence, they are taking a dump on the PlayStation 3 owners that want to play NFL licensed football and I am simply lifting my voice in opposition. If only it gets the attention of one "Higher up" to pay more attention and be more conscientious to the user base, then my job will have been done here and hopefully I'll have a response for you all in that regard.

Before I go any further, I want to say that I owe a common apology to Double-Edged and Jeremy Gerard for my outrageous behavior yesterday. I was simply incensed and could not deal with any more crazy talk, much less the travesty EA was purporting all over the TV yesterday. My responses were inflammatory, offensive, and not called for on the forums. Again, I apologize to you two and any others that may have taken offense with my statements.

As mentioned earlier, I should have some interesting follow up in the hours/days to come regarding the follow up with EA sports and the Madden team and I truly thank you all for your perspectives.

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Oh my, my, my....

tester, did you read the discussion at all? Instead of talking about SDK's and "learning" please read the piece again. I am not trying to incite a boycott tester - I love Madden. Do you understand?
2K didn't need any special learning for the Darkness, NHL, and NBA '07
Ubisoft didn't need any special learning
Team Ninja didn't need any special learning
Bethesda didn't need special learning
It sure doesn't look like EA needed special learning for FNR3 as it looks great imo.

So please listen to what you're saying and asking of me. I'm not trying to be cute here. This is a serious concern to me and I'm sure to others that love to game. I spend a lot of money on gaming and I'm simply looking for the best experience for everyone to enjoy on two systems that are capable of outputting this game equally, but aren't. Clarification tester. That's all I want. And I've already got one foot to drop, I'm simply waiting for the other leg to start swinging down. Stay tuned......

[Infernus]

I'm one of those 'European brothers' living in the UK and while I may be into football (soccer) rather than the NFL I completely understand where you're coming from. You have every right as a gamer and an individual to ask for an explanation to this issue. Hopefully this hits the top dogs at EA and they take notice.

Bubbles for you!

[testerg35]

Its funny that you single out my comment, but not the PS3 fans that are calling EA lazy and how their comments do not go with your "discussion". I'm just saying Sony is partly to blame for this because of lack of technical info released to 3rd party devs. Last I checked, Epic had a Sony person come down and optimize their engine. And actually, you guys did call Ubisoft lazy and labeled them similar to EA at one point.

[testerg35]

Instead of blaming devs and calling them lazy, why not blame Sony for having crappy support to 3rd party devs. It means that their SDK sucked and were not out to the developers early enough.

So would it be better if devs don't release anything for the PS3 for a couple of years until they figure out the PS3 and Sony's SDK is finally good?

[Russbomb]

Finnally we get it from a dev that redmond sydrom is effecting the PS3 and all of these tech issues will vanish in a little while because I am sick of you xbots saying "the ps3 hardware is crap stop whining and admit that your $600 investment is crap"

[Danega_Sciphor]

the ps3 version looks the same as 360 except its not saturated in color. The Ps3 hahs RSX (go on wikipedia) and see its power, xenon is washed up. 360 has a triple core while PS3 has a 7 core. All the facts prove PS3 is better in tech (including 50GB's on bluray). So far weve seen 360 put out games that are okay, but the ps3's potential will be had in 2008 (KZ2 and after). I would love to have a good conversation with first knight with no fanboyism in mind

[SofaKingReetodded]

im getting good at and actually have fun playing All Pro Football on the PS3. It looks really good and plays pretty decent. In light of that Im not so hyped anymore for EA's yearly roster update.

[Daewoodrow]

Is this seriously where the story originated?
that's the source?
Oh no i'm sure it's real. I'm only going to have faith that nobody would be pathetic enough to make this up.
Based on "Maddens Raiders" huh. I dare not criticise the credibility of one of the site's many fanboys. Lest I offend the fanboy's fanboys.
What is the world coming to when even the fanboys have fanboys.
ah well.

[COCK]

hahahahah madden raiders is a fa**ot u sent a leter hahahahah wat a crybaby u want me 2 change ur diapers or how about u drink my sperm it taste like milk i will put it n a botle n feed it 2 u hahahahahah

[bootsielon]

For speaking the truth.

[SIX]

Props to you Maddens.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

"many publishers have been developing titles for the Xbox 360 for over 3 1/2 years while everyone who publishes now for the PlayStation 3 with the exception of Sony has been developing for the PlayStation 3 for only a little over one full year.

There were no games what so ever being developed on the ps3 prior to launch according to this fake article. Are you kidding! In two months the ps3 reaches a fully year. And crap still hasn't come together. The 360 is a better machine to develop for and ps3 development is like trying get a retard to fly like superman.

You nuts can conjure up all the crap you want but the fact remains madden is slow, rainbow 6 is jaGgIe, splinter cell double agent is lacking graphics (for frame rate im sure), and splinter cell conviction is so A.D. (artificially dumb) it isn't coming to the ps3.

Boast about blu-ray all you want I got one too and it doesn't say ps3 on it. Your favorite system may not be going anywhere anytime soon but it definitely has not gone far or proven it's superior power. Super computer my a55! More like SUPER SLOW!

[ER1X]

You're about the 10 millionth person to contact EA sports tech support about a problem concerning EA products. I've been talking with them over Tiger Woods for 3 years now and it only gets worse. Even taking part in a developer meeting via the web did absolute squat.

I don't understand why people don't believe you actually did this. If you said it was from a developer then I wouldn't believe it but I don't recall you saying that anywhere. It's just a tech support person responding to queries folks. It's quite common and extremely simple to do. All you have to do is go to the EA tech support page and submit your query...I guarantee you will get a response. It might not be one you like or one that even makes sense, but, you will get one.

http://support.ea.com/

Go there and see for yourself peeps. Guarantee you get a response within 24 hours.

Not disrespecting your efforts Madden but until people stop actually buying the products, nothing will ever change.

[PimpNick_1980]

Awesome, boy you did some justice for all the PS3 fanboys out there. Here's the deal, get off your ass and go make it yourself. If your so pissed off about Madden 08 sucking balls don't be mad at EA. Be mad at Sony, there the ones who made a system so hard to program for that most video game programmers (like myself) won't even touch the thing, and yes your f*cking up this web-site up with your winnie BS. If the PS3 was so great then why are most of the games coming out on the thing suck compared to the 360, beacause it SUCKS, and I'll tell you what I know whats going on the game market because I'm in the market making the games that you bash. All you PS3 fanboys think you know whats going on because you play games. How do you like them load times? Suck don't they, your a joke and the only thing your good for is buying the games that my team makes. Until you hold some type of degree on how games are made, SHUTUP! If I could I would ban your winnie ass from this site and from the joke of a network that the PS3 has. I'm so tried of people like you... How would like it if you sat in front of a real computer for 16 hours at a time worring about the smallest detail just so you can have some little kid send you e-mails about how it not as good as the others. It's not the software it's the hardware. God people like you make me sick. By the way if you decide to open your mouth again, think first. It might be the best decision you'll ever make.
Kiss my ass
One angry programmer

[testerg35]

Now that's one hell of a reply :) I'm betting this how game programmers feel when "critics" who couldn't write a single line of code bashes their game.

[Maddens Raiders]

but uh...ok...whatever.

I PM'd you so this will look familiar to you jerky. I thought about it and decided to blow my bubbl3 to end on a positive note. I've never seen you before, so maybe you really are a programmer (for your on-campus radio show). Anyway I could really give a bloody rat's -
ass about what you're saying or believing or claiming or denying. I've adjusted scars that were never there.

-- "How would like it if you sat in front of a real computer for 16 hours at a time worring about the smallest detail just so you can have some little kid send you e-mails about how it not as good as the others. It's not the software it's the hardware. God people like you make me sick. By the way if you decide to open your mouth again, think first. It might be the best decision you'll ever make.
Kiss my ass" -- Who's whining again? If you're so shytty at your job and you hate it so much, it's simple. Quit!? =]

"hey madden you suck" lol

-- "your a joke and the only thing your good for is buying the games that my team makes. Until you hold some type of degree on how games are made, SHUTUP!" -- <<<<<<<-- ------ man look @ the whining here

What team would that be 1980? Third or fourth string? Get real.

Silly kid. Let me guess, you're a do good millionaire, eh? Maybe one day. No more excuses.

Just go to bed son; at this point I really am comfortably numb.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

As a long time madden player I can honestly say its time to say F EA and bring back NFL GAMEDAY SONY. We know EA has the NFL exclusive but it doesnt stop sony from using the license. Yes madden was and upgrade this year but that was only because they felt a threat from 2k . BRING BACK NFL GAMEDAY......

[The Dude]

So a tech support rep is now the voice of EA?????

Until I see a press release from EA this its just the words of a desperate fanboy to save face in his console choice...

[b777conehead]

the way i see it theirs no excuse for ea not to be able to make the ps3 madden run at 60fps they dev madden 07 last year they should have learned from that plus they could have got help from Sony tech for advise.and expertise.on the ps 3 hardware.ea should be ashamed of there selfs

[Nuclear Death]

lol even when the truth is in front of the xbots they don't want believe it. why is it that they think there trash system is better than the PS3? never has been, never will be. this system war is over starting winter 2007. EA is in bed w/ MS and EA is even admitting that there is problems w developing and a lot of lead time for 360. honestly i don't even think the 360 version looks too good either given it had 3.5 years lead. wow EA and MS made for each other. trashy people that lie and deceive, trash products, trash outcome. madden raiders is the man for exposing lies.

[iceice123]

Sony fans can say lazy devs and be right. If CoD4 can get 60fps there is not excuse for EA.

[Booneral]

Next, I'll mail Hideo Kojima about how I dislike Snake's mustache and post it here. Seriously guys, don't you have games to play? A life to live? I'd never spend a minute of my life trying to contact a developer about this kind of stuff.

Ther I just spent 30 seconds on this worthless subject though.

[sak500]

I dont know if someone suggested this above since i haven't read all teh posts but why dont you write to sony and tell them about all the crappy ports being shipped for ps3 and ask them why if the ps3 is the ultimate next gen console is it getting sub par games?

[Bolts]

Its obviously fake. N4G should be ashamed.

Look, the PS3 version sucks, we all know that and instead of blaming EA for being EA, we should be kicking Sony's ass. I'm sure those idiots at Sony must've know that the PS3 version will suck yet they sat on their ass and allowed it to happen as if it isn't a big deal. I don't care what it takes, either they drive a dump truck full of money in front of EA's HQ or pitch in and help code Madden 2008 themselves, anything is better than this.

Its not like there is an alternative to Madden 2008, there isn't. Being the only NFL franchise on the market and the premier sport title in North America, Sony should have made damn sure the PS3 version is up to par.

[gamehendge]

played madden on the ps3 all last nite, its really not that bad.

[good2face]

exactly... if you've played Madden 07 on 360 or PS3, it's about the same framerate as Madden 08 on PS3. They've had time to upgrade the 360 version to run faster. It would be nice to have on the PS3 but it doesn't completely destroy the gameplay like it seems everyone is making it out to be. It's still Madden. Hopefully, next year, PS3 will catch up.

[THAMMER1]

Nice effort. We will have to wait until next year to see if all this will pay off. The PS3 version has SIXAXIS support and the game is on a Blu Ray disc. What more can you want. The PS3 is supposed to be every thing a Sony gamer wanted from next generation. The only things missing are 120 fps, and 4D.

Until then do what any other level minded gamer would do and get the console with the games until the other console gets its act together. Belly aching about this now is pointless.

One more question. This was also the case with madden last gen. The XBOX had the better version. So did you send letters and stuff then or is this just because of the PS3 not stacking up in more than one area this year?

If you spent more time playing games on your PS3 you would care less about the politics on this site. Ever since I got my 360 back from repair I have been playing game more than reading news unless it is a release date or a review.

MADDENS you need to play more games. This site hurts you more than it helps you.

Do not forget we play MADDEN for the game "FOOTBALL". Do not let this 360 vs PS3 B.S. stop you fronm enjoying your Madden 08. In other words do not be a PS3 cry baby. Just play the game and love it.

[joevfx]

Did that guy just say the spend HOURS of research on new hardware?!?! HAHAHAH , HOURS!!!! great reasearch team EA has there.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I'm enjoying 60 fps on my 360 so you playstation fanboys can keep emailing and banding together all you want while I'm actually playing superior games on my superior console.

Oh look a petition!!!

[elitesupreme]

it is a sign of fear ^^. The very first X360 Madden 06 ran at only 30fps! Yet, all of you fanboys think that the PS3 Madden is the worst thing ever for being 30fps only? Get over it. Nobody whined about that fact because:

1- nobody noticed or knew any better
2- there wasn't a "better" version to compare it to.

So, anybody who chooses to use the 60fps vs 30fps as ammo against the PS3, is BLISSFULLY IGNORANT!!!

[MIAMIFROST]

I called Tiburon directly to their home office in Orlnado and let them know that its notright for us to spend $60 on a product that is not running 100%. Why release a game that is not complete.

EVERYONE CALL AND COMPLAIN , MAYBE (maybe) the will do something about it.
EA Tiburon
1950 Summit Park Dr
Orlando, FL 32810
[phone]

EA tech support 1-866-543-5435