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Suda51 Not Excited About Arc, Interested In Natal

CC: Creator of the No More Heroes series Goichi Suda - aka Suda51 - has given his views on the motion control/sensing technology that will be available for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 later this year.

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Sonyslave35159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

Natal b!tches it the future .

Why develop a game for the competition (Sony) while their device is exactly the same as Nintendo’s?” said Suda in an interview with Gamers.fr. “I'm not really excited about the gadget from Sony. Natal is great, it would be interesting to work on it”

We can’t expect every developer to love the PS3’s motion controller, but with over 80% of worldwide developers working on Natal enabled titles, it’s looks to be tough for the device.

mrv3215159d ago

HAHA... this happend in the 80's 90's and 00's and it's happen in 2010 and let me tell you this.... THE OUTCOME WILL BE THE SAME.

Companies create motion controller add-ons, AND THEY FAIL. It's plain and simply.

Bu...bu... the Wii, the WII HASN'T got a motion controller add-on it IS a motion console.

The controller is superior, I could prove that to you. Check the Natal lag... check the control medium and check you mind.

If you honestly think Natal>Controller then your frankly not a games.

SpaceSquirrel5159d ago

Natal's success will depend on the pricing I think.

mjolliffe5159d ago

Yeah, Natal's pricing is crucial. If it's $50-$70 it'll do pretty well. If it's $150-$200 like recent rumours claim, it'll fail badly.

scruffy_bear5159d ago

It would need to be no more than $80

God_Of_Epicness5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

Pricing doesn't matter. People (dumb ones) will still buy it. Example, HALO 3 (bad game but sold 10 mill). Example, Wi-fi for 360. Example, Play N Charge kit which i am so mad at MS that their play n charge kit was as faulty as their console. I am not going to buy another thing from MS except OS's. Btw, do you guys live in America? You do know America is MS territory right? The people overhypes it saying it's the next thing but it isn't. Natal's sensors lag but they don't know that. I'm not sure if they even have gone into gaming sites and check. Another reason why they will sell millions is advertising, something Sony is dumb not to do. So as far as i'm concerned, it'll be a success in MS's eyes. MILO footage was crap because it was fake. They didn't show the lag.

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Sonyslave35159d ago

For the million times already Natal is not replacing the controller.

mrv3215159d ago

Ok, so what's the point.

If it's not replacing the controller why would any devs waste time and money developing some tech that won't use Natal to it's full ability and will only be used by 1 million people. Why not just use the controller.

If Natal is designed to enhance then it cannot be used online. XBOX 360 main users play online... your denying them that if they want to use Natal all the time.

TOO PAWNED5159d ago

when he makes decent game, i'll care, NEXT!

talltony5159d ago

I think natal will only really work for little casual games while the arc will be used with big Sony exclusives and casual psn games. Honestly I don't give two craps about either, nothing will replace the controller.

sikbeta5159d ago

Amen to That, talltony

Joysticks FTW!!!

Voozi5159d ago

Well good thing he doesn't make "decent" games. He makes AWESOME games. Killer7, No More Heroes 1 & 2.

Looks like you won't be caring for a while.

DarkTower8055159d ago

Him and Kojima are major divas, but he does make some pretty good games. They're not mainstream games, but good nevertheless.

Parapraxis5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

"their device is exactly the same as Nintendo’s?"
Sorry Suda, but you're way off on that.

@DarkTower805...MGS is pretty darn "mainstream". Unless you consider the only games that are mainstream to be FPS titles that is.

Rocket Sauce5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

I don't really care about the story, but who gives themselves a name like Suda51? Do any of you guys walk around telling people to call you Brad16 or Steve86?

SoapShoes5159d ago

"their device is exactly the same as Nintendo’s?"
Really? Well that's not true. If you say that why would he be excited about 360 Eyetoy? Exactly the same as what Sony did on PS2 only more advanced. Arc is exactly like what Nintendo did on Wii only more advanced.

ssipmraw5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

rocket sauce
his full name is goichi suda but in japan and most other asian countries the last name goes before the first so suda goichi
in japan 5 is pronounced go while 1 is pronounced ichi hence his mates gave him that nickname

headwing455159d ago

Why does he only develope Wii games, something smells fishy

JokesOnYou5159d ago

He could of just said he likes Natal more, Natal has had alot more attention from devs since E3, still he's only making Suda51 a target for the over-sensitive ps3 extremists who will never forget any slight against sony as if you said something about their mommy. I'll just wait and see what Natal or the wand has to offer before I pass judgement.

JOY

Rocket Sauce5159d ago

"Go" "Ichi" - gotcha, makes sense now. I used to get so pissed at people using what sounds like an internet screen name in place of this dude's actual name, but its not so bad as long as there's a reason behind it.

I have a similar feeling about the guy who directed the last Terminator movie. He calls himself "McG" and I want to punch him.

rockleex5159d ago

"with over 80% of worldwide developers working on Natal enabled titles"

Ignorance FTW.

Microsoft actually said the majority of PUBLISHERS are working on bringing Natal titles.

Anyways, we have MUCH better games to worry about than No More Heroes.

kissmeimgreek5159d ago

theyve already most likely been given dev kits for both motion controllers and Id believe them when they say its just like the wii before i believe a bunch of n4g users who have never even used the thing.

Christopher5159d ago

The article says that 80% of developers are working on Natal games, and links to an article where the person specifically says:

"We have something like 70% or 80% of the publishers in the world already doing Natal-based games."

There is a huge difference between developer and publisher. There are vastly fewer number of publishers out there than there are developers.

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Otherwise, this is just a fluff article. I don't care about either until they both start showing me something worthwhile. I don't own a Wii because there are so few games that I could see myself buying and none of them come close in desire that I get out of 360/PS3/PC games. If Natal and Arc end up being like that, I won't go there either.

rockleex5159d ago

The original interview was in French.

It seems like this website translated it themselves. I don't know much french, but I'm pretty sure this website is just twisting his words to make it seem like he doesn't like the Arc at all.

Basically, if the Arc is the same as the Wii Motion Plus, then that would be good because there's less work for him to do to convert the same gameplay mechanics over to the PS3.

I think what Suda51 meant to say is that he's more excited about Natal because it will offer a different motion control scheme. But whether it will be better or not is yet to be seen.

IdleLeeSiuLung5159d ago

LOL. People are trying to reason away what the is said in the article. it said what it said!

Get over your jealousy and let people that care voice their opinion. It's clear that there are the same people over and over saying the same negative stuff in every PRO MS article.

Do you guys even own a 360? If you did, you wouldn't be so negative about it and be happy new exciting stuff is coming out for it.

Light Yagami5159d ago

Suda made No More Heroes 2, one of the best games on Wii.

This is just the beginning of Natal dev support.

Tony P5159d ago

I like Suda's games. If he can do good hardcore with Natal, by all means. If I'm going to buy this thing, I want devs like Suda interested in pushing the tech.

VenGencE9995159d ago

His first reason states it's because it would bring direct competition to the Wii, which he doesn't want to do. Working with Natal will give him a chance to expand his customer base, not divide it. Simple business move and a smart one.

rockleex5159d ago

So he doesn't want to make multiplats? O_o

Isn't he trying to bring No More Heroes 2 to the HD consoles?

This guy is just contradicting himself.

You automatically divide your userbase when you make a game multiplat. But it also increases your audience too.

Arnon5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

Sorry but how much more "advanced" can a motion controller like the arc get compared to the Wiimote+?

What exactly are the differences between the Wiimote+ and Arc? Because the Wiimote+ is actually 1:1. Yes, I have used it, and it's pretty darn nice. Honestly, Sony played it safe on this one, and unfortunately, I don't see it taking off anywhere. Sony never markets their peripherals, and when they do, it never sells in the first place.

What are we going to see with their advertisements? Would it be the exact same thing as a Wii commercial? What is this thing going to do that the Wii cannot? These are honest, serious questions I'm asking.

Also, how is there a difference between developers and publishers when 80% of developers are OWNED by PUBLISHERS?

AL Faris5159d ago

...far outstrech that of the wii based on the simple fact that the EYE is a camera and already has games out for it now like EyePet, Mesmerize etc. The EYE doesnt suddenly lose the rest of its features when the "ARC" is incorporated but then some simple and easy to acquire info would have saved you from seeming like a such an ignorant cynic

VenGencE9995159d ago

how am I contradicting myself? What you're implying is that the Wii-mote and the Arc are the same tech, which I'd have to say they are not. I'm quite sure if the tech was the same SONY would have to pay Nin some type of royalties, which is not the case. The only similarity is they provide the same end result.
You wouldn't be able to make the EXACT same game for the ps3 and the Wii, so no ports and no cost saving porting does for you. You could make a similar game, but it would NOT be the same, forcing you in direct competition with yourself. Why buy this game when you could just get a similar one on the cheaper Wii?

tronz5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

Don't be mad because Microsoft is coming up with something so fresh and revolutionary it is considered interacting with computers with sign language by all media and other industries in the future.

Christopher5159d ago (Edited 5159d ago )

Really? What's the difference?

Here's the difference: Let's say there are 10 publishers, each publisher has between 5 and 10 game development studios that they have agreements with to publish and may also own.

Now, the difference is if you say 80% of publishers working on Natal games it means 8+ games. If you say 80% of developers working on Natal games it means 40+ games.

If 80% of developers are working on Natal games in the real world, that would mean there would be close to 80 Natal games in development right at this moment. It's just not probable and it's more likely that it's in the range of 8-20 Natal games from various publishers, the majority of the games being developed by Microsoft of course.

They purposefully say it this way to misinform and over-inflate the numbers so people will think that there will be tons of games and support for it at release by practically everyone out there.

nveenio5159d ago

I think EVERYONE is interested in Natal, but only to the extent that we just want to know what it's actually capable of. Personally, I lost interest once Microsoft confirmed that Natal is intended for casual games. Give me hardcore. That's how I like my porn, and that's how I like my games.

Arnon5158d ago

You would be correct if there was actually 100 major developers in the world. No more, no less. However, I'm going to take a swing at it and say there's around 40-60 major developers out there right now. All of which are owned by publishers who are most likely working on Natal. There are about 20-30 natal games being made, which would make sense, based on the 40-60 margin.

So yes, when 80% of developers are owned by publishers, and 80% of publishers are working on Natal, there really isn't much of a difference.

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GR8 15159d ago

Natal = the end of the ps3.

R.I.P PS3 2010.

Sonyslave35159d ago

Yes sony know it that why they delay their ARC to fall to steal some of Natal hype.

stonecold15159d ago

will put the 360 the final nail in the coffin for the 360 its been dead in japan europe australia germany newzealand

Akagi5159d ago

Oh dear, I didn't realize the Mental Asylums have internet access.

KrustytheClown5159d ago

and good all of the developers who love the ark. chow :)

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LittleBigPlanet 3 Servers Are Officially Shut Down 'Indefinitely,' Sony Confirms

Sony has confirmed that LittleBigPlanet 3 servers on PlayStation 4 will remain offline “indefinitely” following troubles with the service from earlier this year.

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rlow111h ago

Sad day, hopefully they’ll allow a third party server solution. Goes to show game preservation is an uphill battle.

blackblades3h ago

Sad day oh wait everyone that whining about it didn't play it or haven't played it in years and never was going back to it. Funny how people start to care when this happens but when it was actually up those same people didn't even pay attention to it.

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just_looken6h ago

What needs to be highlighted by this is that the series has had 4 main games then that go kart spin off yet sony let them all die.

There is 0 games like this on ps5 and to my knowledge 0 first party main kids games no tech demo crap

Sony purchased Media Molecule studio the ip then tossed it away letting it rot for over 7 years yet the community carried on until now were we have lost 16 years on all games of content along with no replacement.

Everyone goes on about ea killing studios but sony has killed way way more but its fine its sony they can do no wrong.

Before the sony blidboys track me down again go fire up your holy boxes all the dlc they tossed out all the trophies and all the user content needs a server side handshake that no longer works. Yes offline single player version 1.0 works but that is it.

Media Molecule was not cut i know but they only made LBP and dreams it was reported they just missed the chopping block
https://gamerant.com/little...

Do not forget the dreams game was tossed out 2020 but 3 years later support was pulled
https://www.digitaltrends.c...

All in all this is another failure at sony on a long long list in the past 10 years

Inverno5h ago

It's kind of hard to disagree when SONY has a history of abandoning many of their IPs. They killed Mod Nation and turnt it into LBP Karting because of brand recognition but left it to die too. They made their own Smash Bros only to rush the studio, and turn the game into an advert for recent release at the time and still let it die. They shut down PS Home for more or less the same reason, they left it to rott till it became too broken and exploited to bother fixing.

just_looken3h ago

This right here

Playstation home is what facebook is trying to make now but in vr that metaverse deal

Imagine if sony kept up ps home development

The death of playstation forums was also a huge loss

u-bEttA-rUn4h ago

Their games were unable to attract the masses every game that came out the attachment grew smaller and smaller they advertise LBP for years the industry changed and then came fortnight... You want Sony to continue to support them which cost them money that they're not getting back from the studio.

DOMination-1h ago

Honestly, I think a well-designed LBP-style game would do better than ever in the current state of the industry.

People have short attention spans. Having something that is pick up, play a few levels and put down again is the experience the "masses" are after.

Keep it as a 2D platformer only with well-designed base levels, make it easy to build new levels and more importantly easy to access new content - personally I always found the way Forze Horizon 4&5 provide daily, weekly and monthly challenges via new content that they've built or handpicked from the community is a system that works great - and then stick it on mobile and PC with Steam Deck support.

Make it F2P with a one-off fee for the level editor (to stop people spamming crap onto the store) and have MTX for more characters, outfits etc. and there you have a live service game that Sony should be all over.

Do the same with a new Karting game and a 2D fighting/Smash Bros style engine and you have three bangers right there.

(I appreciate the N4G community will hate the idea of LBP being a live service game with MTX and I get that but I think if there's one game this model could work well for, it's this.. just imo)

Tacoboto6h ago

I feel bad for Media Molecule. For the ideas they have it seems they need a publisher that supports games like this and Dreams especially for as many players as possible.

DOMination-1h ago

Sony in the Andrew House era did support them massively though. They let them do their thing with LBP and spent millions marketing it. I remember one E3 they even used LBP to cover the boring parts of the presentation where they talk about sales figures etc.

And then they allowed MM to announce their game on the PS4 console announcement/showcase event and waited the entire generation for them to release it.

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Ranking the Devil May Cry Series

VGChartz's Mark Nielsen: "Upon finally finishing Devil May Cry 5 recently - after it spent several years on my “I’ll play that soon” list - I considered giving it a fittingly-named Late Look article. However, considering that this was indeed the final piece I was missing in the DMC puzzle, I decided to instead take this opportunity to take a look back at the entirety of this genre-defining series and rank the entries. What also made this a particularly tempting notion was that while most high-profile series have developed fairly evenly over time, with a few bumps on the road, the history of Devil May Cry has, at least in my eyes, been an absolute roller coaster, with everything from total disasters to action game gold."

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VersusDMC14h ago

First to last for me...3,4,5,1,2.

VersusDMC12h ago

Me leaving it out should be telling of my thoughts on it. Better than 2 as a DMC game.

Still a good game though.

Friendlygamer13h ago

3,1,4,5 to me, never played 2. 5 gameplay is amazing but level design was really disappointing to me, just a bunch of plain arenas, the story felt like a worse written rehash of the 3rd and the charater models looked weird ( specially the ladies ). Another problem with 5 was that there was not enough content for 3 charaters so I could never really familiarize with any of them

monkey60213h ago(Edited 13h ago)

2.
Dmc.
4.
5.
1.
3.

God DMC2 was an awful game.
And in case this isn't obvious it goes worst to best

Yui_Suzumiya11h ago

1 and DmC. The rest are unimportant.

DarXyde11h ago

Order changes depending on your focus. I tend to focus on gameplay/fun factor, so...

5, 3, 1, 4, 2.

I really didn't like 4 but commend Dante's weapon diversity. The retreading of old ground was pretty unacceptable to me.

But even then... Still more enjoyable than 2 for me

SeTTriP2h ago

This right here is my order as I thought DMC 5 was amazing and obviously 3 comes after 4 was great and 1 for the nastilgic value it holds 2 was so terrible that my local GameStop gave full refunds to people who returned it.

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Marvel: Ultimate Alliance Has Appeared On The Xbox Store

Activision and Raven Software's 2006 action role-playing game, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, has found its way to the Xbox Store.

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LG_Fox_Brazil19h ago

Used to love this one, but X-Men Legends 1 and 2 will always be my favorites, especially Rise of Apocalypse. Would pay some good money to play it today with online multiplayer, back then I had no way to get a modem

RavenWolfx11h ago

Yeah, I loved the Legends games so much.

ZeekQuattro18h ago

I remember buying them dirt cheap on the PS4 and then a few days later I read they were delisted. I was wondering why the bundle was price so low and got my answer when that happened.

Knightofelemia17h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Sad to say this is one game franchise next to the Xmen that needs a sequel. I use to play the hell out of Xmen Legends and Marvel Ultimate Alliance. Was great when my cousin had the OG Xbox play with four other people and then playing online. Great games glad to see it reappear even though I own the discs love the mechanics of this game.

Terry_B16h ago

It got a sequel..but for dumbass #reasons as a switch exclusive.

shinoff218316h ago

It looked so horrible to. They should've kept it similar to the first two.

Asplundh16h ago

Because Nintendo funded it, they did the same for Bayonetta.

Knightofelemia15h ago

I totally forgot about the Switch sequel.

jukins16h ago

Misleading. This page is whats available for people who owned the game prior to delisting.

Abnor_Mal15h ago

The first game was the best imo.

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