Killzone 2 Review Bias?

Badassgamer writes:

"Killzone 2, the highly anticipated Sony's Playstation 3 Sci-fi First Person Shooter has been reviewed by countless online sites and game magazines. while the current scores bode very well for the exclusive shooter, some of them give off a very strong sense of bias and favouritism, not something you would expect when dealing with the mass readership reviews influence. "

[Sasanova]

amen.

[Timberland2K9]

that guy just said f*k u haterz and this blows the #(#t out of halo's a@Z

Edit:'Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3 were both great looking games at the respective times of their release, however they still had low-res textures and poor character models in some places, yet reviewers simply ignored them, Killzone 2 however, every low-res texture is spotted and the game is criticised'

Secondly, it seems like Reviewers are missing the point of Killzone 2's gameplay, some are expecting the game to completely change the genre, this is however not the case, Killzone 2 is a shooter that does what shooters are supposed to do, and does them to a very high standard, neither Halo nor Call of duty 4, revolutionised the genre, yet they were never docked points for it. Reviewers say Killzone 2 is 'samey' with a weak story and cliche FPS techniques, I am sorry to once again disagree but I have never seen a more cliche War story than that of Call of Duty 4, and again nobody felt the need to mention it.

And with the review scores rolling in, we can spot some of this bias still, firstly it seems like some reviewers believe it is their job to review a product based on what it doesn't have, now I have never quite understood this logic, killzone 2 is getting scored down for lacking a co-op mode, sure that would have been a great addition, but the fact is it isn't part of the game, therefore reviewers should not take points away for the lack of the feature, to further my point take a look at the reviews of Call of Duty 4, a great shooter in many ways, with an addicting multiplayer mode, the game did not have co-op, I repeat it did not have a co-op feature, yet it was barely mentioned in reviews, and even in reviews were it was brought up, points were usually not deducted. This is not the same with Killzone 2. If this applies to Killzone 2 then every shooter hence forth had better include a co-op mode, or we should expect the same to happen.

Edit Again On Co-Op

I Say GET YOUR FUGGIN OWN GAME

Edit One More TIME COD 4 Gametrailers.com 9.4 Final Paragraph
We’re a little disappointed that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare didn’t stretch the boundaries of gameplay a little more in the single-player, but fans will be ecstatic. It’s absolutely relentless in its assault on the senses and never lets up until the last trigger has been squeezed. The multiplayer is even better, with the perks and weapon upgrades acting as a balance to the lack of vehicles. The authenticity on display here is to be commended, getting you as close as you can possibly be to something that far braver people experience--without the risk.

Kz2 gotta 9.2

[Simon_Brezhnev]

I agree with u lol but the article is talking about IGN but yall think ign is not bias they just slick with it. They score it high enough to not lose credibility but not higher then 360 exclusives we know killzone deserves 10 for graphics.

[360 man]

after watching the gametrailers review i saw a comment which said gears 2 blows this out the water. at first i thought lol wat a fanboy, but then i watched the gears 2 review and whilst not blowing kz2 out the water, it was still very much up there with it. the textures in gears 2 made killzone 2s textures seem so blurry and undetailed. and then wen they take cover on to a wall in killzone 2 the textures looked like ps1. my point is whilst kz2 is a good game. its not a perfect game, so if a reviewer doesnt give it 10/10 dont get so annoyed.

[Daz]

The point you just crying because you didnt get what you wanted. ENd of

[GamerPS360]

Gears 2 sux period. Its worse than Gear 1. I love gear 1 while Gear 2 is nothing but hype. That game doesn't even make 7 in my rating. Reviewers failed to mention crappy online. Graphic is all plastic looking. I wasted 60+tax on it. Never trusting anything other than oxm for 360 reviews.
Resistance 2 is no better either. Resistance 1 was much better game (gameplay).
while KZ2 looks miles better than both. By the look, it should be much better than COD4. Well, 2 more days to Demo and will know.

edit: 360 man below
You guys just talk about graphic, graphic, graphic. I am just saying graphic alone doesn't make game. I will take Well balanced game any day than just superb graphic game. Gears2 texture might be good but the atmosphere sux and its too Shinny for war feeling. It would not be bad for ratchet game but for gears 1 where it stands gears 2 is just let down.

[Danja]

Good article , but come on we should have all expected this , it's PS3 exclusive reviewers always try to nit-pick and deduct points that they wouldn't do if it was on another platform.....

are PS3 exclusives rated and held so high on a pedestal that each high profile game has to be picked apart just so they can feel good within themselves that the game didn't live up to the hype.

or they just simply wish it wasn't on the PS3...so they hold a grudge.

1st GOTY contender confirmed....

[360 man]

'gears 2 sux period' well thank you for enlighting us with ur wisdom

EDIT Below

i never said it werent beautiful, i said it werent perfect which its not.
cant u read

[Graphics Whore]

No offense 360 man, but not one reviewer mentioned how broken Gears of War 2 was online. It was one hell of a surprise buying that game going to my friends house to play and the online literally not working.

Killzone 2 is the best looking console game available period. It's not subjective, you have eyes, you can clearly see.

[0verdrive]

the graphics of gears2 looking better than kz2? ok, so honestly i havent played eitehr, but i mean... you and whoever posted that comment on GT must be two of a kind, because it seems like you guys are the ONLY two people who see it that way.

i mean, the only argument that you have is that the texture work is slightly better on gears, which only attest to part of the graphical package, including lighting, effects, and physics. and to top it off, gears is a tps, so by design the player is looking at the textures from much farther away, rather than staring at the textures up close on the box your hiding behind in kz2. texture work is going going to look better from farther away, whether it is better or not.

aside from that, i think its pretty much accepted that kz2 is more of a graphical beast than gears is, its pretty much been recognized by... well everyone. its being compared to crysis, for crying out loud; the best looking pc game to date, running on a machines that are as powerful as 3xboxes and 3ps3s all bundled into one. so i mean... yeh.

on topic: this article speaks the truth. no joke.

[anh_duong]

seriously, eurogamer is so far up microsoft's arse that they can almost see CVG and UGO's feet.

killzone, is the first game i read where reviews moan so much about co-op and only a 10hr playtime for a fps. most games you don't even hear reviewers complain about not having multiplayer let a lone co-op.

[shingo]

I AGREE with that article

[360 man]

wow overdrive u hav to be the dumbest person in the world. didnt u read my comment, thats exactly wat i said. i never said the graphics in gears 2 were better as a whole i said the texture aspect of it was better. which u stated aswell. so wats the problem

[SL1M DADDY]

I will say that any competent gamer with half a brain will see how silly and bias it is to dock the score of a game like this for a lack in Co-Op modes. Sorry, but if it has a spectacular MP and a half way decent SP then the game should get very high marks. If it has anything better it should get even better scores. All I am saying is that to dock the game for lack of co-op is just plain poor journalism.

[king dong]

why are you crying about kz2's score? you didn't make the game, you are gonna buy it no matter what, so whats the problem?? it's obvious that from a campaign standpoint, kz2 brings nothing new to the genre, but it has an impressive sounding multiplayer, so to me the scores seem rite on the money!

[Legion]

You do realize that a portion of the review issue is that the hype prior to the game raised expectations. With previous games they rated higher due to when they came out and what was expected of the game during that time.

Time has passed and expectations have been ramped up. So though the hype has assisted in the sales and awareness of the game, it is a double edged sword because everyone is looking for the game to be so much more then what previous games have offered. Thus the reduction in reviews for some.

sorry the nature of the beast when it comes to reviews these days.

[CrazzyMan]

Gears of War - 5 stars

Pros:

Gorgeous environments; engaging story; improved gameplay mechanics; fun new multiplayer gametypes; bot support; incredibly addictive Horde mode.

Cons:

Vehicle sequences can be frustrating; AI can get in your way; occasional glitches and framerate hiccups.

AND

Killzone 2 - 4.5 stars

Pros:

Superb visuals; diverse multiplayer modes; entertaining gameplay; Helghast are great bad guys.

Cons:

AI can be hit or miss; slight stuttering and loading issues; silly Sixaxis segments.

Nuff said.

[Real Gambler]

Yes, some of the big reviewers are biased, but the problem with a big release like Killzone 2 is the fact that everybody in the world suddendly become a reviewer. Every newspaper (financial, sport, or anything else goes) will have a review from a journalist who probably played only 2 games in his life. Every blog will have a review. And sure enough, they do that to get hits. If they give 10/10, nobody will read the article. They HAVE to find something wrong, so people hit their webpages and they get more money from advertisers.

So don't worry about the big reviewers. By now, you know which one are biased and which one are not. Worry about all the little "experts" who will review this game (or any good game) in their newspaper, blog, website so they can get hits. They are not biased, they just want hits. And sure enough, they'll get many.

P.S.: Great article btw.

[MasFlowKiller]

gametrailer

[morganfell]

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

"A "10" is not a score we give out very often. In fact, the last time we gave a 10 to a console game was Soul Calibur in 1999. A 10 doesn't mean a game is perfect -- it means a game is pushing boundaries, expanding a genre, and doing many things to a level so far above and beyond its competitors that they overshadows any flaws. Certainly, GTA IV has some issues, the most noticeable being the occasional flaw in the cover system, but there are many more pieces of GTA IV that are better than anything I've seen from a game in the past decade. We don't give 10s often -- just to games that merit the score."

GTA IV:

Graphics - 10
The level of detail is astounding. Liberty City feels alive and lived in. While there are some technical issues, the artistic merits push the score to the max. A true marvel.

Killzone 2

Graphics - 9.5
Phenomenal visuals prove that Guerrilla either met or surpassed that infamous E3 trailer. Some technical issues hold it back from being a completely flawless masterpiece.

[GWAVE]

Are the complaints legitimate? Maybe. I wouldn't be the first to say that reviewers need to:

1) Review the GAME, not what the game COULD be
2) Be consistent

Even still, I think that docking the game is a legitimate action. I do. HOWEVER, what about the reviews for Left 4 Dead? Were the graphics average? Yup. Was there a storyline? Nope. Yet, when reviews came around they all say "Eh, we can give this game a pass. Storyline doesn't matter". Reviewers said the same thing about the super-adrenaline Gears of War 2. They said "Yeah, the storyline is corny but that's not why this game is awesome!". And let's not even start about how Gears 2's matchmaking and multiplayer servers were broken.

If we're being fair, we should dock those games (both of which came out in late 2008, so it's not like I'm using some long-bygone game as an example) for NOT having those features. Left 4 Dead lacked a competent single-player portion. It should be docked, yet it WASN'T.

Now, I'm fine with reviewers giving a game a pass. I am. Bioshock got a pass for no multiplayer because it was unique enough. Left 4 Dead got a pass because the co-op was very fun. But why doesn't Killzone 2 get a pass? The 32-person multiplayer doesn't make up for it? The stellar graphics don't make up for it? What qualifies a game to get a pass on issues that would otherwise hurt the review score?

THIS is the "bias" that people are complaining about, and it's a perfectly legitimate complaint.

[jcgamer]

right now i have a smile on my face...i own a PS3, i have Killzone 2 a.k.a KillzOWN 2 on pre order, and in a matter of weeks PS3 owners worldwide will be having some goooood times...lol...so don't get it twisted...cause at the end of the day, bias or no bias, PS3 owners are some lucky mofo's...lol...and we're about to be on one hellava first party and exclusive ride in 2009 and beyond! KZ2 February 2009...and man, we're just getting started...

Kizzy 2 FTW! lol :)

[freeblue]

We expected some bias against the PS3.. but expecting doesn't mean we accepted it.

we should all remind the "NO-CO OP" on every shooter reviews from now on if the reviewers "forget" to minus points on their reviews.

It will be a passive protect.. no words beside the "no coop" ocmments. those brown noses will know what that means.

[jBat17]

the 1up review mentioned it. broken is the word they used to describe the gears of lag 2 multi. and still gave it an A+. fanboys googles were on

even with the patch, it's still broken. heck, anything p2p is broken.

i've been spoiled by R2 in the past couple of months and moved back to COD4 to get my max emblem. but i can't stand the disconnects in COD4 because R2 never had those. that's p2p for you.

[BRG9000]

bias = noun
biased = adjective

The critics exhibit bias.
The critics ARE BIASED.
There exists bias.

[Giriath]

This article pretty much sums up what I've been thinking all the time with these reviewers scoring it a 9, all with these same reasons to do so. It would seem the standard of the FPS genre suddenly got upped with the release of Killzone 2. Every FPS is now expected to revolutionize the genre and it has to have co-op and visuals that top Killzone 2's without any low-resolution textures or other minor graphical issues what so ever.

What I find most ridiculous is that being the first FPS to utilize a cover system while remaining in first person, having a dynamically changing mission based multiplayer mode and being able to share abilities among classes to amount to over 50 different class set-ups is considered "not doing anything new".

Phew, Bungie better deliver Jesus with Halo 3: ODST, cause the standard just got insane.

[The Lazy One]

this guy needs to QQ more. The game is rated within 2 points of almost all the top rated games of all of 2008. cry me a river.

[soxfan2005]

Over-hyping ANYTHING will bring about negative press, and Killzone 2 has been WAY overhyped. Many on this site are already proclaiming it "best game ever". It's NOT EVEN OUT YET! Remember "Titanic" (the movie)? It was over-hyped, and initially received a lot of negative press. It however, won best picture, and is the #1 movie of all time. Maybe good things are in store for KZ2 as well. Only time will tell. But, over-hyping will only do a disservice to a game. Sony fanboys should remember this when the next big exclusive comes out.

[Giriath]

I think you should target that at the media, cause the Sony fanboys don't sound loud in their forums. Halo 3 did fine even though it's the most hyped game ever...at least it did fine in the reviews.

[The Lazy One]

And it's scoring about the same as halo 3. What's your point?

[Lifendz]

Like I was just telling some guy in another new article, there is a double standard. Look at how they're reviewing KZ2. Good scores but the scores are almost because the game is so good that the gaming sites would just look silly if they knocked it down to AA or A.

I love it. I can't wait to see these guys try to jump back on Sony's D!*K. That Killzone engine is only going to get better. lol@the haters.

[morganfell]

Great comments Lifendz.

It has to be understood that after the infamous CGI trailer, many of these sites cast disparaging remarks on Sony and the PS3. Some even stated they would never achieve that level of detail. If they admit Sony has accomplished this (and they have indeed) then they are left with egg on their faces looking like the doubting Thomas dirtbags they are in truth.

[Guitarded]

Unless they are in 1080P at 120fps in 4D!

[N2NOther]

You're using a game that came out a year and a half ago's score against a new game. Something that they felt was disappointing nearly 2 years ago is certainly going to have a great effect on the score of a new game. Even if it is 3 tenths of a point.

It's not too much to ask for a genre game to innovate. Especially since the Gold standard of current FPS is called out on it. And really, so what if ANY game scores higher. It's still getting an amazing score.

I think Jackie Brown was the best film of 1997, and certainly better than Titanic, but that doesn't change the fact that Jackie Brown was incredibly well reviewed...And even if it wasn't, I still love the film. What matter is what YOU think...Not some guy on Gametrailers. It's really kind of silly for anyone to get their panties this much in a bunch for review score.

I know I'm going to get the game on release day. The only thing I use reviews for is to see if there is a consensus on the good and the bad and to see if any issues I don't like pop up. So far, my biggest concern is the controls. COD 4 has spoiled the hell out of me.

[Alucard_420]

bla bla bla

[pain777pas]

It doesn't matter what they review seriously this is PS3's time to shine. When ME1, Halo3, Bioshock and Rockband came out Xbox was the bomb now PS3 is just starting to rev enjoy every gamer out there. I said ENJOY what looks to be a great game.

[Lich120]

Quick note slightly on topic, I see alot of mention how critics didn't talk about the broken gears 2 multiplayer. Well, I think that largely has to do with it being impossible for them to know about. Obviously the LAN portion worked fine and felt good. Im betting thats what they saw the most of. If they were doing matchmaking then it was also probably fine at the time since the servers weren't overloaded. Just wanted to point out that maybe they weren't being bias... just not thorough enough.

But again lets keep in mind, reviewers aren't testers. If anything we should be bashing epic's testers.

[Graphics Whore]

It's there, you don't have to look hard. Take a quick skim across the reviews and some of the con's are histerical.

[crck]

That's because Sony didn't send out a $800 bride bag to all the reviewers. I can honestly say these "game journalists" are a joke. Especially that X-play review. It took no more then 20 seconds into their review to bag on the PS3 and its owners.

[Lifendz]

seriously, that was not called for. I agree with you completely. That ugly ***** Morgan Webb has the nerve to crack a joke like that? Okay, she can crack jokes but fair is fair--give it to both sides. I hear NO 360 jokes on there. I wonder how many times Morgan's 360 died on her assuming she even plays games for real and isn't there to serve as eye candy for viewers.

Whatever. Xplay has long been a fanboy show imo. I put them right up there with Gamespot.

IGN is a different story. Jeff Haynes gave Resistance a 9.5 and is embarrased about it. So he's playing it safe now and gave Killzone 2 a 9.4. Didn't even give a 10 in graphics. I can't believe it. Killzone 2, the most gorgeous console game to ever drop, isn't a 10 in graphics? Bad review confirmed.

[DeadIIIRed]

Don't forget Kotaku's "preview" ( I guess that's what you call it when your not prestigious enough to receive a review copy) where the dude said the graphics were "too clean."
I was hoping that IGN would rise above the bs; but giving Killzone a 9 in graphics?

[thereapersson]

That picture is funny when viewed in the context of this article :)

[Kleptic]

haha I completely agree...i thought the exact same thing right after I saw the headline...I would give you 2 bubbles if I could...maybe its time for a fake account?...

its also funny in that I saw this article right after watching that review 'preview' from GS...where the douche in the hat said 'i haven't seen character models this bad since Oblivion'...

i'll just leave it at that...there really isn't much that can be said about something so blatantly wrong...

[solideagle1]

article. UGO and TVG and CVG curse u.
now wait for 1up, gamespot and edge. EGM is closed so no worries from there. 1up is under UGO belt so expect teh same score 8/10.
this game should have got many many perfect scores like GTA4 and COD. its visual and frame rate stability makes this perfect game. no game matched this game's graphics so suck on that reviewers.
thanks

[Sasanova]

just wait till the halo ODST expansion pack comes out. another 0 personality character walking around doing nothing in a combat evolved colorful world which will obviously be so much better then kz2.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

and you know it lil halo fanboys going to have an orgasm for the colorful world

[GrieverSoul]

It will also give revolution to every game genre after!
It surpasses every thing and its the best! Good gameplay and great graphics, arguebly the best looking ever! It will be a monument and a turning point in videogame history! When OSDT laucnhes it will make the transition millions expected! Videogames will become Works of Art! A museum will be opened and a Master Chief statue raised on the front entrance with a fountain and a virtual Cortana will light up at night.

/end of sarcam/

[InMyOpinion]

lol @ insecurity.

[bassturd]

more like lol @ the truth

We know how it is. Killzone 2 is scrutinized beyond justification. Go back and look at many reviews of Halo 3 and it gets way too many passes.

Uh oh a slightly blurry texture on a barricade in Killzone 2. Minus 0.5 points! It's just how it is. Not gonna stop anyone from PS3 owners from buying the game of course. All it does is fuel these fanboy wars further cuz everyone can clearly see the biased.

[Kleptic]

look people...here we are whining about it...yet any person that wasn't ignorant..which included a lot of us...KNEW it would happen...so whatever...like someone mentioned, its not going to change anything...

some people in the media just don't want graphical side of the console war to be single handedly ended by one game...ended by the first game of Sony's crazy lineup for the next year...several of which are said to be so beyond ridiculous in visuals that Sony may actually live up to how much they hyped the PS3's power...

next step...RE5 unanimously getting 'best visuals ever' from neutral websites...its definitely safer that way...not saying I agree with it (after playing the PS3 and 360 demo several times on the same HDTV, its not even close imo)...but I would put money on it getting higher marks than killzone 2 on visuals...

if we knew it was coming...why cry about it?...frankly, its a little less than I expected...overall killzone 2 is still at 93 on meta...not that I care about that either...just surprising...I was expecting the game to drop down under 90 sooner rather than later...still will happen though...

[Daishi]

Sasanova are you trying to advertise everything Halo? If KZ2 was an RTS would you critisize Starcraft because most Starcraft fans wouldn't play it? Your trying so hard to make KZ the next big thing and why? Just because it is or isn't popular doesn't change what you get in the box. If Halo ODST isn't any good, guess what, nobody will play it. Sure you'll have the Halo faithful buy it day one, but they would just turn around and sell it to get something else. And then people who waited wouldn't have to get a new copy lowering new sales for the game. I played KZ more than halo because of the online, but when halo 2 came out I never touched KZ again because it was so much more enjoyable to me. Will I enjoy Halo 3 more than Killzone 2, more than likely. Why? Because of the vast difference in gameplay, which is primarily because of mobility (and you can race, play soccer, take goofy photos, and other things than shooting). Does that make it a better game, absollutely not. I know people who hate the gameplay of Halo because it is so arcadey but I don't rub it in their face. KZ2 will not make or break the PS3, but it certainly will appease fans of the first one, that I am sure of.

[thereapersson]

"And with the review scores rolling in, we can spot some of this bias still, firstly it seems like some reviewers believe it is their job to review a product based on what it doesn't have, now I have never quite understood this logic, killzone 2 is getting scored down for lacking a co-op mode, sure that would have been a great addition, but the fact is it isn't part of the game, therefore reviewers should not take points away for the lack of the feature, to further my point take a look at the reviews of Call of Duty 4, a great shooter in many ways, with an addicting multiplayer mode, the game did not have co-op, I repeat it did not have a co-op feature, yet it was barely mentioned in reviews, and even in reviews were it was brought up, points were usually not deducted"

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CALL OF DUTY 4 DID NOT HAVE CO-OP, SO WHY DOES KILLZONE 2 GET BASHED FOR NOT HAVING IT?

It doesn't matter how much hype the game had, because EVERYONE who knew and chose to pay attention to what GG was saying already should have known the game would not be shipping with Co-Op.

[Graphics Whore]

I love the new argument. "Co-op is standard this gen"

No it's not, seriously it isn't. Great, no no, LEGENDARY games don't include Co-op, they don't get deducted points for it.

[ACEMANWISE]

If Coop was standard this generation, then 60 player online would have been too. No Killzone 2 review docked the score for not having 60 player online. Did they?

[king dong]

was everyone thinking this would be scoring 10's across the board for graphics alone? if you did then dont panic, coz i'm sure that every countries opm mag will give it a 10 and make you all feel better!

as i said up the page, it's not re-inventing the wheel, or re-inventing the genre for that matter. it has received great scores already from every reviewer!

but the most important thing to remember here is. the only review that should count is your own! if you love the game whats the problem? and who cares about the opinions of others? play the game and enjoy, i know i will!

just stop whinging about it not being showered with the praise every sony fanboy thinks that every sony game automatically(check spelling) desrves!!

[bassturd]

^

game isn't even scoring 10s in graphics tho. Ya see? Best looking console game made to date. Yet gets less points in graphics than other games?

Doesn't make sense, nor will it ever.

[Kleptic]

i've been getting at exactly this in several posts in other killzone 2 articles lately...

video games, at least some of them (more often than not PS3 only games)...are not reveiwed with any context of what was promised by developers...the reviewers don't care about that...they only care about what they feel it should have been...

whats even more surprising to me though is that killzone 2 DOES have co-op...you want to play a co-op match in killzone 2?...ok...setup an online multiplayer match...fill the enemy faction with 16 bots, each of which can have their own AI difficulty, and invite 15 friends...or simply let any random player join, and have it force them onto your faction...which you can setup in the match creator...

that is a 16 player horde basically...there are stats tracked...the matches can last as long as you want, and can have whatever objectives you want...or all of them in one match...you can do whatever you want with the already impressive class system of killzone 2...Sony/GG could put '16 player co-op' on the back of the box...and it would not be lying...that is what 'co-op is isn't it?...playing with other humans against AI in various scenarios?...if that isn't the very definition of cooperative play...I don't know what is...

and CoD 4?...it didn't have it...but if you look back, several 'good' reviews did point that out...the split-screen, which killzone 2 lacks, is what was used as an argument to save it from deducting points...however...the 'co-op'ish mode I just pointed out in killzone 2 should have had the same effect...

I am not complaining about review scores though...its being fairly reviewed for the most part imo...i'm just talking about the inconsistencies in the reviews when compared to competing games...not the actual score...the way that the game is reviewed, and what it has detracted score wise because of it...would make competing shooters need to have an even lower score...wouldn't it?...thats all that is being debated...

[ACEMANWISE]

I'm tired of it. Killzone 2 just dropped to 93 on Metacritic. Of course, it's one point lower than Gears of War. It's exactly what I expected to happen. But just look at these higher scored games like GTA IV and tell me Killzone 2 isn't already suffering from bias. Killzone 2 gets docked on minor glitches yet GTAIV gets a 98 for freezing consoles.

[N2NOther]

I wouldn't say CO-OP is standard but to say that great games are without it is kind of moot because games like MGS don't lend themselves to CO-Op, but a game like Killzone 2 in which you spend the entire game with a team, then an option for co-op play is a no-brainer. Does it mean I'll like it less? Not at all, but it's a very valid complaint for an individual who feels it's omission is a mistake. Not to mention that they actually played the game and the majority of us have only read about people playing the game. I think their opinions hold just a bit more water than any of ours.

[Daz]

For god sake. so sad.

in others words he the saying the reviers bias because it didnt get want i wanted it to get. So fooking sad.

Get a life. instead of crying over people opinion and 9.0,9.2,9.4,9.6,9.8 and 10 are bias right?

OK 9.0 below are gbetter then above.

[0verdrive]

actually, if you read the article, it comments on the double standard that game reviews have for killzone2. basically its being nitpicked to death for things that would otherwise be overlooked had it not been killzone.

no coop -> cod4
nothing innovative -> gears2/halo
no story -> ALL shooters ever.
graphical issues (that dont really exist?) -> EVERY game ever.

for being the "best looking game made thus far" hes wondering why its not getting perfect scores for graphics across the board. i suspect that if killzone2 was actually named "call of duty 8: future warfare on a crazy helgan planet" it would be scoring 10s across the board. but who really knows...

[Daz]

Have you seen the revive gun lol? or the flame thrower?
http://www.eurogamer.pt/vie...
one of best looking screens yeah ?

[Groo]

I don't care about the scores honestly, but if this was a 360 exclusive or multiplatform it would have gotten more 10's. I agree totally with this article.

Edit: btw ppl are making a fuss about bias reviews because its getting dinged for no co-op.

[0verdrive]

well... screenshots don't always give people an accurate picture, its like taking a sentence of a book out of context. i could run to the an obscure corner or a map in any game, stand 3 inches from a wall, take a pixelated screenshot, and claim that the graphics are "unimpressive". but once the game is in motion, its really clear to see if the graphics are impressive or not. if you arent impressed with all the footage shown so far then i really dont have any idea why your gaming, because it seems that you must think that every game preceeding kz2 looks like crap, or at least "really unimpressive".

lol although i have seen that revive gun and THAT really doesnt impress. but then again, ill wait to play the game to see. and im a little confused about the flamethrower, when they first released footage of it, everyone exploded saying how amazing it was, and now in the final release everyone thinks it looks like crap? ill wait til the retail game comes out, but i just thought that it was weird.

/endrant

[N2NOther]

Spare me the BS. The Playstation Official Magazine UK game a 9/10...Are they biased towards 360 exclusives? God, this conspiracy nonsense the lot of you spew is beyond absurd.

What all of you aren't getting is that each review is done by different people with different sensibilities and taste so naturally the game is going to be scored differently than other games. You cite Gears 2 as a comparable score? Me? I was underwhelmed but apparently a lot, and I mean A LOT of people loved it. Fable 2 has gotten ridiculous amounts of praise and I think it's incredibly overrated. Big deal.

You act like a lesser score for this game is going to hurt it. Trust me, the people I know that have a PS3 can't wait and a very good friend of mine is getting a PS3 JUST so he can play this game. It's going to do fine.

[Bebedora]

I think it is more about making people click on to their website and make a stirr than hating it, which (hate & bias) seems to be present though.

[Daz]

But how is 9.0 and above bias ? #

edit: there no need to call me a moran because you didnt like what i said, grow up.
ITS someone opinion and you dont like it.
All over a bloody game LOL

Tell why it deserves more come on? Its only a question dont call me a moron over it .

[caladbolg777]

If it's not the score that the game deserved. Regardless of if the scores were 5.0 and above, 8.0 and above, or 9.0 and above, if a game does not receive the score that it deserves (high or low) without valid justification for the score, then one might say that the reviewer has bias (either "for" or "against").

Oh, and by the way, Daz, you're a moron.

[ChilliDemon]

And a bubble goes to you caladbolg for spelling 'moron' correctly.

[ChilliDemon]

A disagree!! Really?!! He did get a bubble, and he did spell 'moron' correctly. You better believe it.

[Bebedora]

It's not the score I am talking about. The response from people. They knew it would cause a reaction, pulling down the score for strange reasons. Or is it legit to put down the score for not having co-op?

I still believe they do drag it down for hits and/or for hating a console. That is very obvious there are people doing so. Besides journalists, that is :)

[Sanzee]

Here come the excuses. Anything to convince themselves that Killzone 2 is the greatest game of all time. Look, the game is kicking ass. Why isn't this enough for you guys? Just because it's not the "Halo-Killer" you were all hoping for, doesn't mean its not great.

As of this hour, it's got a 92% rating on GameRankings. That's pretty good. Stop giving yourselves excuses. Ecspecially when it's from a site that isn't even very popular.

I could start a blog RIGHT NOW, write some sh*t about Killzone 2 or Halo Wars, and whatever I say, someone who agrees would post it on N4G. The fanboys on here are f*cking clowns. Yes, that means YOU.

[Graphics Whore]

Gamerankings only has 19 or 20 reviews while Metacritic is at 36 and no offense but you sound like a whiney b!tch.

[Capt CHAOS]

Amen. Well put.

[Helghast Slayer]

hahaha that article hit it right on the nail. Looks like the truth brought out the xbrats. Face it the media is biased and AAA ps3 games have never been given a chance. They nit-pick to reassure themselves that the games are not on par with their beloved American engineered (RROD,E7 ERROR and Disk scratching) pos hardware.

PS3 games are stretching further away from the pack and fanboys just can't stand it lol. Well guess what? the pain is only gonna worsen throughout the 2009 and beyond. Hope you all enjoy Halo wars lol.

[ultimolu]

You missed the point of the f*cking article.

It's not the scores the article was referring to. It's the fact that points are being deducted for things you don't see in other games such as the no co-op feature. If Call of Duty didn't have it, then why was KZ2 attacked for it? And on top of that, you have really stupid comments being made about a few texture popups.

This has NOTHING to do with fanboyism or anything of that nature. If you're going to review a game, then review it FAIRLY.

That's all PS3 fans are asking for.

[rekonizakilla]

Why don't you feck off then? Anyway I thaught it was a good read with a few good points.

[Kill Crow]

think they're getting a bumb deal just because someone reviews their beloved game at 9 instead of 10 .... oh cry me a river .... it's a world wide conspiacry .... there's a global secret society bent on defrauding the PS3 fan boys of their beloved perfect scores they expect from every single exclusive ....

When 360 post good sales - M$ are lying
When Ps3 post good sales - Sony are simply doing what they do

When 360 games score high - M$ paid for the scores
When ps3 games score high - it's NOT HIGH ENOUGH IT HAS TO BE PERFECT IT's A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY MAN!!!!!!!

This site's fannyboyism is a poor reflection on the industry ... all the bad stuff rolled up tight into one little place on the net ... news for little girls who thinks the WHOLE world is out to get them ..

*rolls-eyes*

[morganfell]

I love people like this Kill Crow. They point fingers at other people as if they themselves are not involved in the very thing they accuse others of practicing. Fracking smelly little hypocrite pure and simple. At least others mark where they crap pure and simple whereas he rolls around in his like it's a safety blanket. It's impossible to look people in the face and talk to them when they have a huge turd stuck to the side of their head and even worse they think it's a fashion accessory or it's simply not there. Fail. Just one more for the ignore pile.

I called this business in 2 separate posts over the past couple of days. As I said, it isn't that Killzone 2 isn't getting 10s. It is the fact they are dinging it for things which other games either get a pass or for which Killzone 2 simply does better. This is the gist that the two dirtbags above flat out miss. This sandy or sanzee jumped the gun so quick he rammed the barrel right down his throat. Something he is obviously used to and likely enjoys.

When a site like IGN gives GTA VI a 10 in graphics yet docks Killzone 2 points for the same there are obviously no standards at that webzine. All PS3 fans are requesting is regularity and standards, not special treatment. Too bad something so simple as uniformity is beyond the grasp of at least two feeble minds in this thread.

Millions of people just watched the Superbowl. Why? With very few changes, and none of them revolutionary, the game is the same that it was for 100 years. You don't see people running out trying to invent new types of football rather they try to make the current version better. Killzone 2 has done that with FPS gaming.

[Kill Crow]

if you speak out against it you become part of it ...

Really lame morgan ... even by you "HIGH" standards ...

[Jerk120]

It's okay.

It's quite obvious Morgan is an idiot.

See how he did that GTAVI there?

IT'S GTAIV MORON.

I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX X

[ultimolu]

I love how you guys attack morgan for a simple typo. I'm sure he meant IV. At least he makes sense in his comments.

[Jerk120]

How many times do I need to tell you to shut up and get back in your cage?

[ultimolu]

Make me shut up Sleipnir. I can say whatever I want to say. You don't f*cking own me so back the f*ck down.

[Kill Crow]

ultimate fail ... you say he speaks sense when he says stuff like this:

"At least others mark where they crap pure and simple whereas he rolls around in his like it's a safety blanket. It's impossible to look people in the face and talk to them when they have a huge turd stuck to the side of their head and even worse they think it's a fashion accessory or it's simply not there."

You show your true colours there girl .... you're just like him ...

edit @ Below: - Oh please, like no PS3 fan boy ever ripped into the crapboxFail60 ... please ... there's plenty of fann boys on both sides .... Look at you siding with him and saying he speaks sense when it's complete and utter nonsense ... You're just another failed fanny boy/girl whatever ... put your blinkers on and carry on complaining why you super duper game didn't get a perfect score instead of the great score ....

[ultimolu]

Kill Crow, maybe he had his reasons for saying that. Maybe you guys deserved hearing that.

Yeah, I'm just like him, especially when we get f*cking sick and tired of you guys bashing the PS3 to death. And you WONDER why PS3 fans attack the 360. Maybe they're sick and tired of the biased sh*t. Maybe this prompts them to say things they probably wouldn't have said otherwise.

[Jerk120]

Wow, Ultimolu, that's some reply..

But you're wrong.

You CAN'T say whatever you want to say

because

I OWN YOU.

IF anyone needs to back the fk down it's YOU.

[ultimolu]

Boy, you don't own sh*t. The only thing you own is your mouth. Nothing that comes out of it is remotely competent and on top of that, you think you're badass because you're telling me to 'get back to my cage'?

Oooh, I'm scared now! A boy on teh interwebz told me to get back to teh cage!

Give it up.

And once again, you back the f*ck down. You started with me first when I wasn't even talking to you! Mind ya damn business!

EDIT: Obviously, you didn't read my comments carefully Kill Crow. I said 'And you wonder why PS3 fans attack the 360, meaning that the same sh*t happens on both sides of the fence! From since 2006, you guys have been attacking the PS3 for having no games, but when the games start rolling in...you talk them down! When PSN wasn't all that, you guys attacked it. Now it's even better than a year ago, you're still ragging on it. Sony implemented all of these improvements and yet you guys still attack the PS3. The RROD still exists, which is why PS3 fans use that as ammunition against 360 fanboys.

Get over yourself. Oh, and fanboy/fangirl is one word.

[morganfell]

I love these bunch of pansy nancy boys. If all you can do is note two transposed letters then your argument fails miserably, much like you have in life.

And as far as attacking a conspiracy and becoming part of it, you overlook the larger issue. If you mention undeniable facts such as those that were brought up in the article you automatically become a conspiracy nut and are laughed at. After all, that is how you handle the truths in a conspiracy. Step 1 CALL IT A CONSPIRACY. There is instantly a stigma assigned to it.

Sorry, people like me are not a bunch of cowards that will stand by and watch the obvious and then turn our heads. You 3 bubble facks can go ahead and poke your heads in the sand. Of course like any ostrich in that position the most prominent part of your body is your ass...which has been prominently on display here.

[n to the b]

WTF ultimolu?? f-in' chill! do u not realize there are many times more PS3 fans on n4g than there are 360 fans?

[ultimolu]

Lol, no sh*t! And yet 360bfanboys claim that PS3 fans took over N4G. And don't tell me to chill out. I'm not chilling out until we all sit down, play the damn games and stop this crap.

[Rhoic]

Killzone 2 is only 1 point higher on Metacritic and is at 36 scores. a 93. And it is slowly declining. Sorry HD, but that was a pretty whiny comment back.

[NewZealander]

i find the use of the f word u used verry biggoted and offencive, are you racist too?

[Ashton]

the double standard is pretty obvious.

one of the guys in the gamespot preview video said the game has above average graphics,,,lool.I mean come on.who are we kidding here?

or IGN gave GTA4 10 fro graphics despite infinite number of low res textures and pop-ins but a 9.5 because they saw couple of low res shadows lool(he actually says in the podcast that he gave 9.5 due to couple of low res shadows in the game)

[Daz]

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[thereapersson]

Yeah, I remember that "low-res shadow / texture" complaint. There really was nothing else to nitpick about, so because of a few RANDOM times where there weren't perfect shadows, the graphics get knocked down because of it.

Let's face it, I am not looking for a 10 on this game because no game is worthy of a 10. However, Killzone 2 still has the best graphics of any current console title, so the nitpicking is really obvious when it happens.

[CharlesDCI]

I almost had a feeling that most reviewers wanted to give it a 10, but didn't because they were concerned with sounding unbias.

KZ2 made them sh*t in their pants, but they don't want you to smell it.

[INehalemEXI]

lol

[Groo]

hahahah!!! bubble for u

[Ashton]

and non of the freaking reviews even mentioned it.

how is that for double standard?

[Death]

You can review the modes of online play, but with a review copy of the game chances are you won't find many people online to find all the problems you would had you reviewed it after launch. I'm disappointed K2 doesn't have co-op mode. If it had it, it would have scored slightly better. Reviewers are also saying some of the effects look pretty bad like the flame effects. This isn't picking, they are reviewing the game.

In all honesty the game has a current metacritic score of 93. http://www.metacritic.com/g... I think this is very good considering the original Killzone has a 70 on metacritic. http://www.metacritic.com/g... Saying the reviews are biased and unfair sounds kind of lame and detracts from the fact it is scoring very well.

For those playing at home, Halo 3 has a metacritic score of 94. http://www.metacritic.com/g... Killzone 2 scoring the same as Halo 3 says alot and is something to be proud of. Demanding it score perfectly is not only absurd, it's very childish.

-Death

[DJ]

As the flame effects are apparently very impressive. No game should be docked for not having certain game modes. I still remember Heavenly Sword getting lowered scores because there wasn’t any Multiplayer, like Capture the Flag or Team Deathmatch.

Judge what’s there. If the co-op sucks, let us know. If it’s great, let us know. But if it doesn’t exist in the first place, don’t criticize it. Criticizing game modes that don’t even exist is borderline insanity.

[The Lazy One]

wat? how are you supposed to rank anything then? Would you give pong a 10/10? Name one thing wrong with the game without naming a feature it doesn't have.

Would you give goldeneye a 10/10 BY TODAY'S STANDARDS? it's pretty hard to control once you're used to dual analogue, and most people would mark it down for that, but according to you, you can't fault a game for missing an analogue stick.

[Fishy Fingers]

Who cares either way, you don't base your purchases on reviews scores, and even if you did, I imagine you would have a site/source that you know falls inline with your tastes.

People are to quick to label people "bias", it seems to have simply become a new standard expression for "a difference of opinion". Because largely, thats what it is. I'm not suggesting some site/sources dont use underhand tactic to drum up more hits or whatever but not all of them.

Either way, I find it somewhat strange questioning someones opinion/review of a game when they have played it and we haven't.

I just play the games I know/think I will enjoy, whether some dude I've never meet hits it with a 5/10 or 10/10.

[stevenhiggster]

Have to say I totally agree with you. All reviewers will have some 'bias' it's not really bias, it's just their opinion. You don't have to like it. I personally tend to ignore most reviews, there are a few sources that I know and trust, but mostly I ignore them. I think Demo's are the best way to see if you like a game, for example, I played the demo of Jericho and really liked it, the game recieved mediocre reviews at best, but I still bought and I loved it (apart from the end) whereas I played the demo for Resi 5 and deleted it straight away because it sucked so bad. No doubt it will score pretty highly in reviews, but I sure as hell won't be geting it. So make up your own mind people, I know I do.

[InMyOpinion]

Agreed. People laugh at me when I say I think Banjo Nuts & Bolts was one of the best games last year. I don't think they do it because they spent time with the game themselves but primarily because it didn't do well in the majority of reviews. Banjo got very scattered review scores. Some gave it 9/10 while others gave it 6/10. In any case, some reviewers taste in games is always bound to clash with the dominating opinion, just like my love for Banjo clashes with the majority of N4G members. It would be weird if it didn't.

[Kleptic]

I agree with all of you...

one thing though...visuals are somewhere where 'a difference in opinion' and 'bias' are completely seperate...or at least should be...

visuals in games are comprised of 2 seperate entities overall...art and tech...tech is something that should simply be a by the books affair in terms of reviews...art is obviously something more subjective...

so take killzone 2's tech for example...if a reviewer could illustrate that it falls short in tech with any credible evidence...than it would not be biased in anyway...but instead...we get stuff like 'it has the worst character models since Oblivion' from GS...that would be fine...if it was remotely true...look at the friggin character model attached to this article...Sev with an awesome grimace...is that a bad character model...is that on par with Oblivion?...seriously?...

the same thing with the same kid saying 'some shadows are full of jaggies'...ok...that could be...but it undermines the fact that killzone 2 is creating 6x the shadows as other titles...the muzzle flare of a weapon in killzone 2 creates a dynamic shadow around everything...yet it gets hit because that shadow, which is not created in any other game, may be a bit aliased if you grab a screenshot of that instant?...even though it overall creates a far more realistic and immersive lighting engine...

reviewers can complain about the color scheme...or the architecture of helghan...etc...those are all areas where art comes into play...but not about tech issues I just mentioned...killzone 2 does stuff no other title to date does...for the 1 or 2 shortcomings, that other titles have anyway (CoD 4 for example...ever look at a shadow edge in that?)...and you are taking time away from where you should be saying 'the game has real time procedural wind calculated ALL THE TIME'...or 'particle effects result in showers of sparks that clip and react off the environment, and are influenced by the procedural wind'...or 'the animation system of killzone 2 is unlike any real time game to date'...'the lighting engine for killzone 2 supports hundreds of real lights on screen at once, all creating dynamic shadows realistically around everything that they should'...etc.etc.etc...I could go on for hours on what killzone 2 does that no other title does...and reviewers should too...yet instead...mention...'ah, it has a blurry texture back in that corner'...or 'the character models are as bad as Oblivion' (that one needed mentioned again)...

so the term 'biased', imo, is being used in a correct fashion at times...you can't really argue against killzone 2 doing a lot more than all competition...unless of course you are reaching for things to pick at, simply because you have a biased opinion against it...thats all i am pointing out...

and jenzo...Banjo may be the most underrated game of last year imo...my cousin owns it...and I have had a blast with it for the past few weeks...its similar to uncharted in that regard in 2007...review scores being all over the place...some good...some bad...

[Jimis78]

but it's not perfect.visually it's great and the gameplay is for sure very enjoyable but just like every good fps game KZ 2 has it's flaws as well. there's just too much hype about this game because visually it seems to be the best ps 3 game,so that's why every negative comment is being understood as ''biased''. don't care that much about reviews.just play the game and if u like it then it's a good one. My brother has a ps 3 so we'll spend many hours playing it...

[Groo]

Halo 3 had more hype and got better scores... hmmmmm

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Sony fans honestly need to take a f**king chill pill already. KZ2 is respectfully getting 9.5's mostly across the board with a 10 here and there. I've only seen like 2 8's reviews, and you guys act as if thats bad and it's the end of the world... dear god man.... Who cares if there are indeed BIASED reviewers out there? (which there are obviously). BIASED reviews DON'T just effect PS3 games, EVERY console get's BASHED because of BIASED journalists and BIASED fanboys. Its been this way since this gen began, at least to this disgusting out of hand degree it has reached. But I feel fanboyism truely didn't come about until the PS2 sky rocketed the way it did. It was a wrecking ball. Now some how all that persona has snowballed and cluster f**ked into fanboyism beyond all beliefs. Then Xbox fanboys delt with not doing jacks#!t to the PS2 market last gen, to this gen FINALLY taking a healthy chunk of PS3's market share... which then justifys the fanboyism of 360 fans, cause they love rubbing it in that the underdog made a comeback and has been successful at sticking around. While Nintendo Fanboys sit back and laugh at the fact that their last gen/next gen release with worse graphics than BOTH 360 and PS3 is totally obliterating them in sales (which is kinda sad). But it's the truth. Fanboyism in general just sucks and it's ruining this hobby/passion for a lot of us that are just out there to play the damn games and enjoy them.

all in all...

Be your own reviewer, not everyone likes the same things... and you're entitled to your own personal taste! and that is all that matters most!

[ChilliDemon]

Amen

[Groo]

Your right, but I think PS3 owners just want a fair shake, thats all.

[InMyOpinion]

*hands out tissues*

[ChilliDemon]

Jenzo, can I have a tissue please? You're not going to want it back, now, are you? ;)

[Firstkn1ghT]

This is great!!!! I'm having fun reading these comments.

KZ2 is averaging a fantastic 93 so far and they're complaining!!! HAHA!!!

[anh_duong]

thank about what you just wrote there for a minute:

being unhappy about a 9.3 review is actually amazing position to be in..

[Kleptic]

seriously...I do need a tissue...i've had this damn cold since last week...and I am dripping everywhere...its gross...

[BattleAxe]

There is total bias in game reviews or at least MS spends alot of money to make sure the reviews are good. When HALO: Odd Street(ODST)comes out it will get 10/10 all over the place. Gears 2 was a shoe-in for 10/10 scores even though it was a broken game.

For the most part I'm happy with the scores I've seen, but its just terrible that the gaming media are so biased.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

lol

[InMyOpinion]

There there, BattleAxe. Let it all out.

It would feel less biased if all reviewers shared exactly the same opinion and all awarded Killzone 2 perfect 10's, wouldn't it?

We all know Killzone 2 has no flaws since none of us have played it yet.

[Kleptic]

i've playe it...and it has flaws...at least it 'did' in MP in November...

not visually though...not tech wise, and i loved the art direction...put a hole in a desk chair with an m82g...and then see the hole in the shadow underneath it...walk into it to flip it over...then crouch and fire through that same hole to kill an enemy without harming the chair anymore...or split the thing into 6 pieces if you want, and push it off the balcony...letting 16 guys kick around your pieces all over the place without it 'disappearing'...these may be subtle little details to the visuals of the game...but killzone 2 is one of those few titles that lack 'realism flaws'..if it is something 'realistic' you want to do, and its grounded in the gameplay, chances are...you can always do it...(read: don't expect to drop a nuke and see what happens)...

the issues it had where with some balancing acts...the assault class was a bit over powered...the medics revive weapon could be spammed entirely, getting your teammates stuck in limbo if you wanted...things like that...

if the final game has issues like that...those are flaws entirely...making the game not perfect...but whenever someone starts whining about a jaggy shadow, which may be less jaggy than any other console game anyway...its simply piss in the wind...

[NegativeCreep427]

Highlights:

"killzone 2 is getting scored down for lacking a co-op mode, sure that would have been a great addition, but the fact is it isn't part of the game, therefore reviewers should not take points away for the lack of the feature, to further my point take a look at the reviews of Call of Duty 4, a great shooter in many ways, with an addicting multiplayer mode, the game did not have co-op, I repeat it did not have a co-op feature, yet it was barely mentioned in reviews, and even in reviews were it was brought up, points were usually not deducted."

"neither Halo nor Call of duty 4, revolutionised the genre, yet they were never docked points for it. Reviewers say Killzone 2 is 'samey' with a weak story and cliche FPS techniques, I am sorry to once again disagree but I have never seen a more cliche War story than that of Call of Duty 4, and again nobody felt the need to mention it."

"'Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3 were both great looking games at the respective times of their release, however they still had low-res textures and poor character models in some places, yet reviewers simply ignored them, Killzone 2 however, every low-res texture is spotted and the game is criticised'"

Finally all the B.S. that accompanies PS3 exclusives is displayed all out in the open for everyone to see and understand. The Double-Standards within the media against the Playstation 3 are not a myth, they are FACT!!!

[LewisDenby]

Biggest mass stupidity since the release of Metal Gear Solid 4?

Bias. Bias against/towards what? It's the new buzzword, isn't it? "People are criticising a game I have on pre-order! THAT'S DEVALUING MY DECISION TO BUY IT! THAT MEANS YOU'RE BIASED!" Do people genuinely think that professional games critics are going to get drawn into the 'console wars'? Games critics get paid to voice their opinions about a game. They're also not teenagers who can only afford to buy one console and stick with it for dear life.

(It's why I find it funny when, for example, people accuse Eurogamer of being biased towards the 360, when their writers' list is comprised primarily of people who also work for loads of format-specific mags like PC Gamer and PSX.)

I kind of got it with MGS4. HUGE sequel to one of the best loved franchises in the world. Killzone less so. It's a first follow-up to a *reasonably* well-received title. It's just had a mammoth PR campaign behind it. And all this nonsense just baffles me.

I can't believe we've seen a day when a game with a Metacritic average score of 93% is causing people to call out reviewers for being overly critical.

Anyway, this writer claims to have played KZ2 but he hasn't. You can tell. Firstly, well, Sony have a very strict list of who they're sending pre-release copies to. While obviously I don't have access to their traffic data, I sincerely doubt a site that generates next to no comments on its articles is receiving the 200,000 unique readers per month Sony currently require proof of in order to send you Killzone 2. But ever aside from that, there just no detail in his piece. No reference to any part of KZ2 - just to other games this guy reckons KZ2 will be better than.

It's pathetic. It really is. Just look at yourselves, everyone.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

Actually if you went to school you would know what bias means and because of the industry I'm thinking of starting my own site to show everyone what an unbiased review looks like. I agree that most if not all of the gaming journalism is bias, I've read their reviews and they aren't consistent. They contradict each other, make subjective statements as facts, or even add a little prejudice in the writing.

The articulation of users maybe off but their complaints are valid, learn to read in-between the lines. It isn’t about who’s console is better it’s about the games themselves. If you read GameSpot’s Review Criteria technically speaking if a game gets a score below 8.5 it isn’t worth buying in their eyes. That doesn’t make sense and a 5.0 means “‘merely average’ in the negative sense” so now being average is a negative? According to them their weaknesses outweigh their strengths and that’s why they keep reviewing sports titles so high. To me it’s messed up because every year it’s the same game thus making it average, it doesn’t mean it’s bad, just not different. That is one example of a site that can’t keep consistent.

Trust me on this that I'll come out with a website where people can finally see games for what they are. Doing gaming journalism right.

[CertifiedGamer]

The bitsh said that we have something to spend our money on other than heavenly sword action figures and anti depressants.
Stupid ho is mad xbox doesn't have anything for this year and this game proves ps3 is more powerful which upsets her.
The graphics arent the exact match of what weve seen in earlier trailers but believe us we arent complaining.
Bitsh the graphics are better than the old trailers be mad that the xbox can match those graphics.

[Mizz_mai]

killzone 2 is definately not first thing weve been waiting to spend money on when she made that statement i wanted to borrow a gun quick time....but whatever such is the nature of the industry at the moment and we have to deal with it....killzone 2 is still the greatest shooter ever lets just enjoy it and relax....??

[lelo]

Oh boy ... here we go again. PS3 fanboys need to grow up... this is getting embarrassing already. You guys are starting to behave like little brats complaining and whining about everything.

If a game gets a 10 then it's deserved.... if it gets a 9, then the reviewer is bias. No game is perfect. No matter what the game it is, some people are going to like it more then others.

PS. report the story because it's lame... you should do the same.

[AngryHippo]

.....I have never ever seen so many people moan about scores 9.0 and above. Most people complain when a game gets a 7 or maybe an 8, but come on 9 and above from like 90% of reviewers and complaints still happen.

I don't think anyone in this thread is in a position to complain about reviews being biassed since how many of the people in this thread have played through the entire single player campaign? and spent numerous time playing the final build of mp? No one. These reviewers are doing their job, reviewing the game based on playing the whole finished product and are in a better position to give a verdict than anyone in here.

Review scores should be got rid of completely by all reviewers. It just causes too many issues and people constantly moaning, comparing scores from games in different genres and on different consoles, its ridiculous.

People should get a review in word form, no scores. They will have to read the whole thing, take the good comments with the bad, and form their own opinion on whether or not to pick the game up.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

MGS4 10/10
LBP 10/10
WipeOut:HD 10/10
GT:Pro 10/10
MotorStorm 2 10/10
Uncharted 10/10
Resistance 2 10/10
PJ:Eden 10/10
R&Clank:TOD 10/10
But...I LOVED all of them!!! ;-P
Excellent Gameplay and Graphics to;) I couldn't ask for more;)
People who worship the internet scores are SAD!!! ;-D

[Firstkn1ghT]

And the crying continues.....*

Oh man I love reading these whiny comments. This is rich! Keep them coming boys! :)

[shawnsl65]

so i guess reviewers have set PS3 Exclusives at a higher standard than other games when reviewing them. That explains the criticalness and nit picking.

[PirateThom]

To me, that's not a bad thing.

PS3 exclusives get nitpicked to hell and always will, so when it does get a good score it actually means something, while games like Gears 2 and Fable 2 have elements that just don't work and get a free pass.

But I don't even think it's bias against the PS3, the gaming media made their own bed and now they're lying it in, they bashed Killzone 2 for the better part of 2 years and now they're having to face up to it and many have to find flaws just to prove to themselves they were right. Flaws that other games get away with, like Call of Duty 4. That 9/10 must have killed Chris Buffa (GameDaily) because he knew he couldn't score it lower.

[shawnsl65]

haha so true~ prlly was teething his fingernails away.

on another note. The phantom disagreers are back #_#.

[Firstkn1ghT]

HEY JENZO! We need more tissues over here.

[PirateThom]

The only people crying are people with out a PS3 since they didn't get to play GOTY 2008 or GOTY 2009. ;)

[InMyOpinion]

I'm all out. Currently on the phone with Kleenex telling them to send reinforcements to this disaster area, or "Cryzone" as we refer to it.

@PirateThom - I don't deny the greatness of Killzone 2. The game looks nothing short of superb. What I don't get is why you cry so much over the great reception it's getting?

[kewlkat007]

cry like babies.....

Review scores aren't suppose to matter riiight..but I get the feeling there is more to it than just a review score.

Everything is Bias or conspiracy..delusional some have become.

You can't read a review/score and know it's an opinion just as yours soon will be, when this game hits.

[HDgamer]

Why is killzone 2 getting points knocked down for not having co-op? I'll tell you why, the game is so good to them they wanted co-op they create news that says the creators wanted to put in co-op. But Call of Duty 4 didn't have co-op which was an amazing game. Metal gear solid 4 didn't have co-op, even Resistance 2 main story didn't have co-op all around. The scores for the reviews have been good so far but why does a game get points off for lacking features that it doesn't have? Should SFIV have points knocked off for not having 4 player matches?

[kewlkat007]

and come up with a list, of why, them games did not get a 10.0 but still average a 9.0+ while you continue to cry like lil B$#ches .

Wahh..wahhhhh..wahhhhh

[HDgamer]

Crying? Show me where I'm crying, all I'm saying is that there seems to be a double standard. This game shouldn't get deducted points for a feature that was never implemented. Play Condemned 2 Blood Shot, an amazing survival horror game that should've had co-op. Did it have it, now it didn't sadly. Did that affect the score, no. That's the point, also by looking at your comments don't you belong in the open zone where you can freely flame other people for their opinions on the subject? You clearly show favoritism and pure ignorance that lacks logical thinking and coherently responding to others without getting mad or pissed off.

[Kornholic]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Microsoft had actually something to do with PS3 exclusives getting biased reviews.

I mean such a mediocre game like Halo 3 got perfect 10's from multiple sources even though Bungie couldn't get the ugly graphics run in HD and gameplay is the worst I've ever had to deal with. Don't get me even started with the multiplayer. I don't really dig the whole concept of one clip one kill.

Gears of War was an entertaining game but GeoW2 was literally crap. Socom: Confrontation got low scores because servers didn't work properly during the first weeks but Gears of War 2 got away with it like nothing.

I guess video gaming media is one of the most corrupted lol.

[Condemnedman]

socom was a online dependent game Gears was not . Think about what you are saying!!

[X_GAMER_X]

the people who have seen this game in motion or in video or even in text will get it on day 1.. its nothin new that the madia is no accurate now adays..

[dazzalfc]

I think alot of the Xbox360 fans are missing the point here.

I dont think many have a problem with the scores Killzone 2 has been getting, which have been extremely good. What people are complaining about are the points that are getting took off the game not having elements in there that other games don't have either, yet they get far more glowing reviews. Its the consistency that is lacking, and that people do not like. If your scoring a game down for one thing (e.g. the lack of co-op) then every other game should be treated equal, and if that doesn't include co-op, should be docked similar points for it too.

It happens far too much in the gaming media, no matter what piece of hardware the game appears on. Surely, as gamers, we should request at least a little bit of consistency when it coems to reviews?

I do think the hardcore element of both sides (PS3 and 360) need to book into a mental clinic though, the site is becoming unbearable with the amount of sausage jockeys running around doing nothing but trying to wind each other up.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

Finally someone who isn't bias comments on the topic in a mature manner.

[HDgamer]

Why in the world is killzone 2 getting knocked down for not having co-op mode? I mean yeah I would like it in but still they never hinted or said it would be there. They didn't give COD4 a con for the lack of co-op.

[Death]

Online co-op would have made the game better. How can it receive a perfect score when it could have been better? Do we give games a pass that has no multiplayer at all? How about games with bad graphics? If the dev never states they would have been good, does that mean it's reviewed differently?

-Death

[solidjun5]

apparently we do. Bioshock got a free pass numerous times. While I completely agree with the comment "Online co-op would've made the game better", a little bit of consistency would be a welcome site for everyone. Anyway, in the end, 24 agonizing days remain for KZ2.

[DJ]

COD4 didn’t get docked at all for a lack of co-op, and gained plenty of perfect scores despite a Very short campaign mode (6 hours) and technical hiccups in the multiplayer mode.

[user3915800]

The game its mediocre at best, its no where near of been high quality, but just another copy cat with bad story lines. So once again f@ck all you sony b!tches.

[twoface]

Ok then, answer me a straightforward question. Is not having co-op a flaw? If so, should games be marked down because they lack 60 players online?

directed to Jenzo @ 1.2

[FantasyStar]

Depends on the game. If it was Bioshock: no not having co-op isn't a flaw, the point being "you" alone in a underwater city. However Killzone 2 emulates the co-op experience by constantly being surrounded by allies 90% of the Campaign, so why isn't the option there? Both PSU and GT have stated clearly that they were disappointed by the fact that Killzone 2 lacks a co-op function. Sure Call of Duty 4 got away with no co-op, but this is 2009: standards have risen.

Also while R2 did have 60 players, you know how hard it is to get a ranked match going? There's no auto-balancing and everytime I play I always get the short end of that stick. I reserved myself to simply playing Cooperative only. Just because a game advertises 60 player MP matches doesn't excuse the game itself from poor execution.

[twoface]

Was co-op already available for a while when COD4 was released?

[FantasyStar]

Of course not, CoD4 didn't have co-op of any kind. Do a quick google search for "Call of Duty 4 Co-op" and you'll get alot of threads requesting it. The saving grace of CoD4 though was the fact it supported 4 player MP split-screen. KZ2 has neither Co-op or Split-screen. That's just downright criminal by today's standards.

[twoface]

Huh? I thought the concept of co-op was already available for quite a while before CoD4? Figures..

Anyway ok, KZ2 is a "criminal" game. But I'll still enjoy the hell out of it. Honestly, scores don't matter much to me cos everyone has some prejudice of their own. It's just fun making a fuss about it while waiting for the game.

Anything above 7 is a possible buy for me. Demos help a great chunk too

[FantasyStar]

Same here, I'm betting everything on the demo on Thursday. If KZ2 had at least Co-op or Split-screen, then it would've been a Day 1 Buy. But the lack of both irks me alot. I'm a cooperative player, you see.

[twoface]

I'm more of a GOW3 kind of player, and this is one of my few fps.
I'll probably slash and stab everything in my path.

[solidjun5]

I can see your point with the Bioshock having no co-op because of the theme of the game. However, multiplayer was absent from the game and to me that's criminal. That should've been there from day 1 as a FPS game since the game got glowing reviews. Multiplayer in FPS was set in the previous generation and it seemed to me that it got away with it and I thought that was "criminal". I think most people just want consistency with regards to reviews.

[FantasyStar]

While I disagree with Bioshock needing any kind of MP, I do respect the resemblance between our arguments. My rebuttal would be that Bioshock is RPG'ish more than FPSish. I can't imagine how the gameplay would work without degrading certain features from the SP experience. I can't begin to try and figure out how to work out a Bioshock MP without running up some serious balancing issues.

[solidjun5]

Someone brought that up to me. Bioshock being a RPG type FPS and that should be taken into consideration. However, to me it's still falls under the category of being an FPS. RPGs can last you 30-50 hours (depending on how play) and while Bioshock has some RPG elements, you can still complete the game in under 12 hours, which, if you spend 60 bones on the game as I did, should've had something standard to increase its longevity. That would've been the multiplayer component. I would've just made it unique or something. Big daddys versus players or little sisters only component, something. But I think it still falls under the same umbrella relative to whole article. Consistency should be applied when it comes to Journalism.

[twoface]

Yeah, Bioshock was great. Captivating storyline, immersive world, colorful characterizations.

Too bad, there was no MP. A waste, since there are interesting character classes to choose from the various splicers and the big daddies, and would make good online battles.

I'll dock a few points off to be fair. Not because the game isn't great, but the fact that it could have been more with online (which isn't asking for the sky by today's standards)

[FantasyStar]

Yah, I can start to see the potential MP modes like rescuing Little sisters. Now that I think about it. It sounds like fun! Instead of trying to emulate the SP Experience, the MP could've been something entirely different. That would've worked for me. I'm actually liking the idea running around as a Thug Splicer.

Bioshock 2: Sea of Dreams maybe? More bang for the buck!

[solidjun5]

hopefully. bubbles up.

[twoface]

I would like to be the all-irritating Houdini splicer

[retrofly]

I'm sorry can't you play with 15 other players cooperatively against another team?

So they aint computers who cares, oh wait you can have bots?

Sp sucks on all games I only every play MP, I havn't even started SP on W@W and am on 2nd prestige.

KZ2 has everything you need and more, stop being greedy (or is it that bias thing again)

[Dark General]

I don't quite get it. Even while some reviewers are saying the lack of coop brings it down in overall score (which i agree with is dumb) the game is STILL getting 9's out the wazoo. Be glad.

[DFresh]

Dude.
They've been bias with hella games.
ex.)
-Halo 3 (No way in hell did that game deserve a 10/10. I would accept a 9/10 but a 10/10 come on now.)
-GTA IV (Most overhyped game this gen so far. GTA IV deserves a 8 at best not a 10/10.)
-Gears of War 2 (Gears of War 2 deserved a 9.5/10 not a 10/10. Why? Game reviewers didn't even bother to mention the online issues and the lag.)

However Killzone 2 deserves it's hype cuz they've shown enough to prove that it's gonna be a great game.

It's so weird how when PS3 gets a perfect score game everyone says it's bias buy when a 360 gets a perfect scoring game no one says s***.

[Thoreau]

the nitpicks are just too much. if killzone 2 were an xbox360 game i am sure there would be a million gloom and doom articles about the ps3. overall the scores are good though. no one complained in halo 3 when you would enter a massive landscape and the enemies didn't fill up the screen or the 640p presentation. if the game was truly only ok-there would be 7's coming out of the woodwork.

[Thoreau]

the phantom disagree person can't type why he disagrees. 360 only owner wanders into the room.

[Thoreau]

there is all this fanboyism? maybe the reviewers don't like the ps3. i don't like the xbox360, but i bought one so i would not miss out on games that i want to play. Alan Wake, Star Ocean 4, and Halo odst(i traded in my halo 3, so i will pick it back up). ps3 is coming on hard like a 19 year cheerleader in heat, and some fruit a55 reviewers want to be honest and keep their virginity until marriage. i can already see it now Halo 3 expansion will get a sea of 10's. an expansion for lord's sake!!!

[DaCandyman]

Most highly anticipated PS3 games are reviewed in comparison to an XBox 360 counterpart. Where as XBox 360 games are reviewed without comparison.

Statements like: It doesn't have co-op like...
or The multiplayer is rich but since It doesn't have chainsaw battles it's not better...
the visuals are great but not as action packed like...
and so forth.

[Dark General]

As was scared as sh*t of the candyman when i was younger.

[ChilliDemon]

Just don't say his name three times in a mirror, and you'll be fine.

[Dark General]

I used to be scared as sh*t of mirrors because of him *Laughs my ass off*. Seriously, going to the bathroom in the middle of the night for me used to be a nightmare. I didn't get over my fear of mirrors until i turned 12 because of that movie. I remember when my aunt first popped the movie into the old VHS and she said the movie name was "Candyman" and she said it was scary. I said "How scary can someone named candyman be?".

[sephy 9 2 5]

when CoD6 releases in Dec; if it doesn't measure up to KZ2 in the aspects KZ does well, then points will be docked. Some people will mention it so chill out.

[theox2g7]

You guys keep mentioning Call of Duty 4 and how it doesn't have co-op but you forget that first off it's a 2007 game, Second off, it had 4 player local split screen, Killzone 2 doesn't have that, The point of a perfect score is that the game can't significantly get any better, But trust me, Co-op would definitely have made KZ2 much much better, WHy? Go see Halo 3, I friggin hated that game playing single player all by myself, But the moment I played in co-op, the game suddenly became enjoyable, There's really no excuse, you almost always have your squad mates around you unlike other games like Bioshock and stuff,

And if you'd notice, Call of Duty 4 did get knocked for not having co-op in some reviews, That's exactly why COD5 had it, They saw the flaw in not implementing it in a war type game with several team mates moving along, And split screen is a must, It forms the bread and butter of console gaming, It's sad that less and less games are implementing, I might understand that maybe KZ2 is pushing the ps3 real hard so maybe they couldn't render all the stuff at once, but at least they should've had some kind of online co-op, It's 2009 for pete's sake, Even a friggin' Resident Evil game has co-op and a first person war shooter doesn't?

Games get better over time, Visuals do too, It's protocol, You can't be comparing the review of a 2007 game to a 2009 game, Halo 3 got great scores because for its time, it did a lot of new things or at refurbished old concepts, Forge and robust campaign co-op, excellent matchmaking, Tell me how many games back then had any of that as compared to today, Maybe they weren't necessarily revolutionary but many games ended up borrowing alot from games like Gears, Halo, COD, Now can you honestly tell me you think KZ2 will have that kind of influence on the genre? Maybe, maybe not, Gears didn't invent the cover system but it perfected it to the point where we're a seeing a flood of games copying that implementation

If Halo 3 rather came out in 2009 the same way it is today, You can bet your ass, it wouldn't get anywhere near as good scores as it did back then, Same for cod4, It's just not a fair logical comparison, I see some of you talking about sub-hd resolution but I didn't see you guys complaining about MGS4, Double standard, much? Every one is bias in their own way much like you because everyone is entitled to their friggin opinion, Get used to it, Just because you're too overwhelmed in the hype to actually consider that the game might have some flaws doesn't mean they exist, You haven't played the game yet so you can't tell,

And you can't knock reviewers for not calling out Gears 2's broken online because they had review copies and could only play with so many people online at the time to notice the problems, What if God forbid, KZ2 servers go online launch day and go coockoo due to overwhelming numbers and a ton of glitches are found? Would you take back your words? Or will you let your love for KZ2 overwhelm you? Gimme a break, guys, I loved the beta as much as the next person but this is getting really ridiculous and childish

Also maybe some reviewers weren't having orgasms all the over the visuals because the bar was set so high in the first place, I still can't understand how a 9+ score based on personal opinion is bias especially when you yourself haven't played the game yet, Cry me a friggin river, You guys would still be screaming bias as long as they didn't give the game a perfect 10

[bassturd]

nice book you wrote there

-bubble

[oppie]

Now I have both consoles and I gotta admit that my xbox360 (or as I like to call her BoxyTightSnatch)currently occupies most of my time. It has always had a 1 up on my ps3(with regards to gaming & downloadable content). Now as much as I love Boxy I just cannot escape this feeling of fanboyic rage everytime I spot this type of bias that is referred to in this article. Deep down inside,God knows I've tried to deny it, I just want my PS3 to dominate the console gaming market, pathetic I know. The point is not that it scores an outstanding 93 on metacritic, the point is that for some inexplicable reason it scores lower than Halo 3, this continues to make me mad. I hated Halo 3(Personal taste I know, but how did Guerilla Games after years of development manage to score less than that pile of crap). Loved Gears of War 2 (TPS though so I dont really care how scores compare

[OGharryjoysticks]

I beat him to the story. He stole my beef with the review discrepency about Killzone's graphics. I posted the short version here yesterday under the story "How broken is the current Game Review process?". Anyway, since Brad turned my paragraph into 4 paragraphs and expanded on the idea, I give this article a thumbs up :)

[darthv72]

Looking at review scores for a game(s) in 06 or 07 and trying to justify them to a game in 09...why not use logic. Today's game (kz2) has surpassed what was done a couple years ago. We all know this. So do you feel the review sites need to go back and re-review those other games for 09?

I think you all are to critical of the points and it is only going to drive you crazy if this site or that site give it a .1 difference from a game in 07. Take it for what it is. An evolutionary step to the genre. Better than the rest before it...yes. Better than anything yet to come...probably not.

So you see that even though it is a better game, there will always be something better when the next wave of systems come along. Just enjoy it now and dont worry about the past games/scores.

[SupaPlaya]

was just out a few months ago no?

IF people should just stop worry about scores, why even have the scores? May be we should ask all the sites to stop giving scores and make people read the review every time. Perhaps there will be less inconsistencies.

[XPC HARDonE]

I'm speaking specifically about gaming websites like this one that make claims about something but do not provide examples in the form of quotes from other publications. N4G gathers gaming news together, but that article and many others on this website are simply glorified user commentaries. I would like to see a professionally (perhaps academically) done article about the relationships between games, consoles, reviews, profitability, and online gamer reaction. Also I would like to see what percentage of gamers comment online, are we a small or large group? Real studies and real news.

Instead we get this. IF he is right and he provided us with the most basic of evidence then perhaps something could be done, if one console is proven to be getting the shaft when it comes to reviews that might bring the fanboys together, because no one likes being lied to.

Instead we get this another badly written article that will get the worst of us to squabble.

[Redlight]

Would you bleating, whining, paranoid clowns cut it out? KZ2 has an average metacritic score of 95!

There is no systematic bias, and if you think there is you are a chump!

[Narutone66]

retard wearing a beret on the Gamespot video review for KZ2.

[chidori666]

********game of the year*********

cry 360 fanboys.... :)

[sephy 9 2 5]

games on consoles allow you to set up clan wars within the game w/o the use of outside applications like websites, phone, email, etc? Oh wait what's that KZ2 innovative...?

Ring teh Alarmz.

[nycredude]

This is too funny. Only on N4g will you find so many fanboys going at it like this, and it's great entertainment! Look at all the xbots coming into a PS3 thread crying and biatching about other fanboys crying and biatching.

The results are everyone look like whiny biatches! LOL! Tissues for everyone!! Fanboys lose and Kleenex FTW!

Seriously though it is obvious there is a bit of bias, although I think it is more in line with people's expectations just changing as the games get better and better. And right now Killzone 2 is without a doubt the best FPS in a while!

Damn another 3 weeks to go!

[jemmo]

Every body comes on to criticize a game for a system that they think is the best. I will give you this curse and complain all you want but that is the reason why games are the way it is. Always defiant to the core for games even though the games aren't that good. If Halo, Killzone, Gears of Wars, and Metal Gear had low scores;Would people still buy it because these games are good or because the scores need to be higher than the other game? That is the reason why certain franchises don't make it always compared but in the swing of things can't come close.

[Moe_OwnZ]

I COULDN'T AGREE WITH HIM MORE....FINALLY SOMEONE OUT THERE CAN SEE THE TRUTH....CAN SEE WHAT THOSE WANKSTAINS ARE DOING TO THE BEST GAME EVER!

AND BTW COD4 IS THE MOST ANNOYING GAME OF ALL TIME, AND HALO IS THE WORST... EVER!

BUT I HOPE N4G REMOVE THOSE BIASED CUNT OF REVIEWS... CUZ ITS JUST UNFAIR TO SEE SUCH EPIC GAME TO GET JUST 9'S....WHEN ( BAD GAMES )..gow2 GETS A LOAD OF BULLS*$T REVIEWS

thanks the article meant loads>>>>THE IS A 10/10...NO MATTER WHAT THE CUNTS SAY

[theox2g7]

There's so much irony in the whining and complaints, You yourselves are the most bias of them all, You wanna know why?

Definition

Bias is a term used to describe a tendency or preference towards a particular perspective, ideology or result, especially when the tendency interferes with the ability to be impartial, unprejudiced, or objective.[1] The term biased is used to describe an action, judgment, or other outcome influenced by a prejudged perspective. It is also used to refer to a person or body of people whose actions or judgments exhibit bias. In this context, the term "biased" is often used as a pejorative

By that definition, everybody is bias in their own way, Me included, This word exactly describes the behavior here on N4Ps3 fanboys G, Seriously, when a glowing review of ps3 game comes out, nobody says anything and you guys suddenly place all this weight on such review scores just so you can use it as bragging rights, But the moment someone else disagrees with you in opinion or scores a game lower than you wanted, Switch to Gear 2, ZOMG, It's microsh1t and their big fat paychecks, Sorry to burst your bubble but please take off the tin foil hats and cut the delusion, How does the Sony koolaid taste, exactly what the doctor ordered right?

If the media was so biased against Sony, tell me how LBP and MGS4 got perfect scores across the board, Tell me how MGS4 won best graphics and GOTY on more than 80% of gaming sites out there and even won best visuals on the overly mainstream Spike Video game awards? How is that possible if Microsoft is supposedly running the show with invisible checks which no one sees? Or maybe they are part of the illuminati? Gimme a break

Someone please explain to me how games like Too Human got horrible scores on the 360, I know it was mediocre but doesn't the paycheck theory still count here? Couldn't a Microsoft check have fixed that especially considering how much time, effort and hype was put into the game? Or even Ninja Gaiden 2 which IMO was unfairly criticized for its difficulty because some noobs couldn't even play the d@mn game? Was that bias too in Sony's favor since Ninja Gaiden Sigma got way better scores? If you've honestly played both games, you'll obviously know that NG2 is far superior and expounds on everything that made NG great, Its flaws are clearly overlookable considering how fun and awesome the game is, Yet reviewers jumped the gun and punished the game for being too hardcore, How fair is that? But I won't complain because it's someone else's f#ckin' opinion

And I see most of you raping Halo 3 here on a daily basis, I think it's safe to say that Halo 3 is the most hated game on here, I'd bet 30% of you haven't even played the game and some of you only played it once and never gave it a chance, And some of you have just made up your mind before playing it that you'll never acknowledge it, The fact that it's still selling and able to outsell recent titles like Resistance 2 should tell you something, The numbers online should be proof in the pudding that the game isn't anywhere near as bad as you guys label it to be, Halo 3 is living proof that graphics don't matter, It's not the best game of all time but it manages to strike all the right chords and create a fun experience for a wide range of users from overly pick up play casuals to tweak heavy feature whore hardcores, Oh, noes, but xbots are only still playing halo 3 in huge numbers because they want to make Sony look bad and they're all 12 yr old noobs and idiots who have sh1t taste in games and got suckered into the hype, It can't be even remotely possible that maybe just maybe the game is actually that good and has longevity in the fun factor, Granted there are some people who genuinely disliked the game, it's still no less fun than it is because of that niche

It's ironic that you guys use the argument of "If Y game was on 360, it would've gotten better scores", Yet, if Halo 3 or Gears were ps3 exclusive franchises, you guys would be worshipping them to death and jerking off to those games like there's no tomorrow, We would never hear the end of it about how awesome and legendary Halo/Gears is, It's so sad that even multiplatform games take flack, I'd take a stab in the dark and say that if RE 5 was ps3 exclusive and the same way it is today, We'd have a lot less hate stories and comments about it, FFXIII will never be as good as Versus, right? Out of curiosity, I'd just like to see what would happen if God of War went multiplatform, Suffice it to say, there are rabid fanboys on both sides, so who am I kidding?

In the end, reviews don't mean jack sh#t to me, it's all about fun I have with game, I could care less or give 2 sh@ts if a game got 2/10 as long as I enjoy it, That's why I loved games like Jericho, Warhawk, Ninja Gaiden 2, Last Remnant, Lost Odyssey, Heavenly Sword, Dark Sector which all got less than stellar reviews, Why does it bother you so much if someone else has a different opinion? If we all shared the same view, life would be boring, If no one was there to point out the flaws in games like Killzone 2, the gaming industry won't progress, But I can see how you guys don't want as you're clearly unhappy with the competition that Microsoft is giving Sony, You'd rather they dominate and stay c0cky instead buckling up and trying to make gamers happy

[bviperz]

I'm glad most games aren't scored perfectly. Gives developers something to work on. Hopefully they make it even better. Imagine Killzone 3...

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Good post and I agree. I still find it funny how someone will say "your being unfair to KZ2" and then 2 sentences later say "Halo 3 sucks balls and Gears 2 is garbage blah blah blah" when they haven't even played the games.

I've given up and now it's just pure comedy with the tinfoil hat brigade.

[Sanbert]

...over KZ2? Is this game really worth it? I mean, look at the original KZ. The ONLY reason the Sony fanboys are defending it to the death is because of the graphics. And they feel very threatened when someone says KZ2 looks ok, but there's better. Which is true. RE5 does look better, and Sony fans are upset about it. They thought for sure that there would never be a game on the 360 that would look as good. I'd be upset too if I bought into the whole Sony promise that the, "PS3 would offer the most outstanding graphics ever seen on a console, only to see that it can barely keep up with the 360." hype.

KZ2 looks to me like a COD4 clone. Nothing more.

[Rythrine]

Well, I dont't really worry about the scores because that's not what I look at when I read reviews. I look at the context and decide if I agree/disagree with the author. Make up your own minds. I'm pretty sure almost eveyone here knows what kind of games they prefer. Read previews of a game that you are watching out for and decide for yourself. If you're still unsure then there's always a demo or you can rent it first.

As for the article, I agree with the author. Reviewers should review games for what it offers, not what it doesn't. I'm perfectly fine with COD4 not having coop and Bioshock not having MP. Both deserved the scores they got. They both got reviewed on what features they had, not what they didn't. Its not really bias, but just a little bit of consistency is all KZ2 fans (like myself) is asking for. Either way, I know I'll be enjoying this game just by following the previews, videos, and feedback from gamers who were in the beta. I'm more upset of the "waiting" for this game to be released.

[Moe_OwnZ]

@ theox..
fuk sake dude ...its not an essay writing competition....so keep ur comments short and sweet

oh and btw..wat u said is pretty much bullsh*$% coz what we ps3 fanboys say is the truth unlike the biased/scums that are brain washed by M$

we know that killzone 2 is the best fps in the market and arguably the best game ever made!!!..( but ah well we adapted to those fanbots coz they simply outnumbered us.., and also i couldn't care less about reviews tbh...coz i knew that this was gonna happen... fanbots just want to deny every epic thing about this game... ( like their weak console could play something like it ) until now this guy has finally burst their bubble.. i only believe in some reviewers like opm,play... but other than those.. every other site are biased.

SO GO -F*%$K ALL OF YOU SCUMS...AND GET OVER THE FACT THAT KILLZONE 2 LIVED UP TO THE HYPE...BECAUSE SEEING IS BELIEVING -BIT%$'ES

[theox2g7]

Does it really bother u that everything I said is 100% truth and that the only rebuttal you could come with was that it was 100% bullsh1t? It's sad really that you can't reply to any of my arguments with a logical train of thought so you have to resort to fanboy speak using terms like fanbots and calling the 360 weak or proclaiming KZ2 to be the best game ever made,

I really hope you put your money where ur mouth is and go out and buy the game and support the devs and Sony cos they need it, They spent a heckuva lot on it and they deserve only success, KZ2 can't afford to fall nothing short of spectacular in sales for GG or Sony's sake, It has an astronomical budget and a storm of buzz around it

[GiantEnemyCrab]

HEY!

First off, this is the gamer zone dude. If you want to start screaming and acting like a child move yourself over to the Open Zone. Your comment has been reported.

"wat u said is pretty much bullsh*$% coz what we ps3 fanboys say is the truth unlike the biased/scums that are brain washed by M$"

Second, do you honestly believe that steaming pile of crap? WOW!

[zodiac909]

how come no one puts up an article like this when a halo or gears of war comes out?

[khellendros1]

IGN actually gave COD4's graphics a 10 and KZ2's graphics a 9.5??...HUH?

[BMS84]

Offcourse the game is amazing , but some are so excited about the graphics and still give lower than GTA4 for example and some scores are crazy 8.9 for the Best looking console game ever and the gameplay is amazing to, or 8.5 ??? and some other sites just give the game a high score but like 0.1 point below Gears of War , it's all really strange , the reviewers are also people and may have a preference for one console ... so who is objective???

Great article , 100% agree

[Legionaire2005]

After seeing trailers from many websites in SD and HD I have to agree!!! It is better looking than Halo 3, Call of Duty series, Gears 2, and Resistance 2 combine!!! These reviewers talk about how short Killzone 2 is, while games like Call of Duty 4 pointed out by Gamespot, was 5 hours short yet it got the free pass. Gametrailers already compare this to Call of Duty 4 in graphics and Killzone 2 won. I say play the demo on February 5th, and the full game on February 27th then ignore these bias reviews. Nuff said.

[Ilikegames76]

Wait till GOW3 or GT5 comes out.

[creepjack]

This is bull crap. Sony is nickle and diming us to death. I mean really, there should be a box of tissues boxed in with the PS3. Its not right that I have to keep buying a new box of tissues every time a PS3 exclusive is released.

[Groo]

i know how you feel, Microsoft does it too. its call Xbox Live..

[retrofly]

I agree 100% with this article.

[pushergreen]

EH a a eh a a eeh aa WAH wah WAH WAH mommy mommy the intenetz only gavey me killyzony a 9.2 wah wah I wuz pomised a tenzor mommy mommy eh eh eh aa a a wah........................... ........
Grow the fck up you winy little mutants! PS3 gets a AAA fps and you all cry like little babies because of a couple of criticisms! Jesus get a fcking life droids, take these criticisms with a grain of salt or not, don't worry droids I am sure this is going to be a great game.

[Ldubbz]

Lets hold up a sec here...Im tired of this Gears 2 is broken crap. What the hell are you talking about. Sure it had some minor fixes for this or that, but broken? Thats pure BS. We were playing MP from day one with no problems.

Now Gears has some of the hardest MP around, so if youre a n00b, then TS. But not only have I played the MP with no issues. but the Horde mode works beautifully, and has never lagged once when I have played it.

So please stop with the BS, because those of u calling it 'broken' DONT OWN GEARS. Its that simple.

And back to Killzone....

If u ask me, they have been pretty lenient on a game that gameplay is somewhat broken; last time I checked, you couldnt go around in Halo, Gears, or COD stabbing EVERYBODY and pass the game. Not to mention that K2 has too many obvious 'trigger' moments (like CoD, though WaW cleaned it up a bit) in the SP mode, which kills the immersion factor for me personally. Thats what makes Halo, Gears, and Bioshock so good because the battles feel organic. Just IMHO....

[Groo]

all this coming from someone who hasn't and probably wont play KZ2, nice

[Ldubbz]

Havent played it yet, but I will. I can only go by what the reviewers have said, much like you

[GiantEnemyCrab]

haha isn't it ironic that all this hate and anti Halo and Gears bias is spewed all over a thread complaining about KZ2 bias.

It's rather funny tbh.

[MetalProxy]

its manly cuz Halo and Gears where on a HUGE hype train. And even though they werent perfect they where scored and praised as if they where "Perfect"...or dont you remember? I have both systems and I did buy both of those games and they were decent but not perfect.

[macalatus]

@ldubbz,

Sorry, but you seem to be contradicting yourself and even hypocritical:

People who complain about Gears 2 are people who ACTUALLY OWN the damn game and have played countless hours with the online mode. An example would be my friends who told me about it. Great single player...but the online suck. You, on the other hand, HAVEN'T played the damn game yet and already spouting BS to pass a fact!!

So, if you were to believe the "second-hand" accounts of reviewers about KZ2 themselves, then I must believe the "second-hand" accounts of my friends who own the game.

[Ldubbz]

...my hypocrisy. Where in my statement did I mention something about K2 that isnt known? Those are all things that have been brought up in various reviews that aren't OPINION based. If I am making something up or stating something untrue then please correct me, but until you do that I fail to see how I am being hypocritical.

About Gears, I never said no one didnt experience problems, but that it isnt 'broken'. Very few things are perfect, but I dont follow on these claims of Gears MP being broken by people here in N4G that dont own the game. Am I talking about your friends? Unless they post on N4G about Gears being 'broken' then no, I am not.

[macalatus]

@ldubz,

First of all, what qualifies as "broken" in your definition? If knifing people left and right as you stated is "broken", then why can't lag and other problems that plague Gears of War 2 (i.e., glitches and match problems) be "broken" also? If you think they're NOT "broken", which I believe is your OPINION, then reviewers' observations are just as OPINIONS too! See what I did there?

Anyway, why does it even matter if my friends post here? Oh, wait...you're just going to accuse them of not having a game while at the same time say that they're just spouting BS, right?

[skatezero246]

i could careless what games I'm interested in get scored, because i'm not going to let some random person i've never met change my mind about getting a game I'm interested in such as killzone 2, everyone has an opinion and everyone has there own brain all i can say is use it! i'll make my own decisions instead of letting random people choose for me i use reviews as references, not to buy a game or not.

[yojoe26]

I have gotten use to the PS3 game reviews always being somewhat biased against the system. Look at uncharted: this game is so freaking good at everything it does. Gameplay, controls, graphics, storyline, and controls were all spot-on, yet this game received mostly eights. Heavenly sword and warhawk were reviewed much the same way. Everyone said that heavenly sword didn't "innovate" yet this game had a tremendously awesome story and I loved absolutely everything about this game. Warhawk is one of the best online games I have EVER played and this one everybody said "didn't have single-player campaign" so they scored it no higher than eights. Why don't we start rating games for what the game has and does well, not just purely on what it doesn't have. Fact: Warhawk is an online-only game that does just about everything right in regard to gameplay, controls and fun factor and should've been reviewed as such. Heavenly Sword is a game that takes a little of what God of War and Ninja Gaiden have and did it's own spin on those styles of gameplay. It had an incredibly good story and gameplay and should've been reviewed as such. Same thing with Uncharted. Does every single game ever developed have to totally shake up the games industry with innovation to be an incredibly fun experiece? NO!! As long as they can take a few of the well established aspects of a certain genre, do them well, and create a fun or engaging gaming experience, that is all that should be required. Heavenly sword Warhawk, and Uncharted all deserved at least 9's in my book and maybe some tens...

[Mitch_Cumstein]

Having played a portion of the single player, there is NO EXCUSES for a lack of Coop. The game is naturally setup for it, and it should be in there.

It offers nothing in the way of a "theater system" for recording gameplay and screeshots to share online. That sort of feature would have been awesome since Killzone 2's best feature is its looks.

This game has been in development WAY TOO LONG for it to not have Coop or any other special features that drawn on the game's incredible detail and beautiful graphics. It is a pretty game, no one is denying that, but its clear that graphics were their main focus. Not to mention its a sequel of a game no one cares about. In other words the story is trash.

In the end, its just not that good.

[Shane Kim]

The reviews doesn't matter no longer. We all know that every FPS fan who owns a PS3 will buy this game. so a 9.2 or a 9.6 doesn't mean sh!t. At least not for me. Although I agree with this article 100%.

[dustgavin]

Read the article and fully agree with it. Still....it is hard for anyone to deny it is a awesome game.

[XPC HARDonE]

nothing could have been improved
there is nothing in the game that can be criticized
if it does not receive an 11/10 then the reviewer is biased and most likely being paid off by Microsoft
if the reviewer scored an older game and gave it a higher score than than Killzone 2 then they are also biased and being paid off
the PS3 is the cheapest console with the best games
the ps3 has sold the most consoles
the ps3 has the best exclusives
the ps3 brought my dog back to life
the media hates the PS3 because they are racist against the japanese
the media hates the PS3 because they are being paid by Microsoft
you are not allowed to make negative comments against the PS3 or any of it games
game and console numbers given out by the media that dont put the PS3 on top are invalid and suspect
anyone who comments in forums who denies any of the above will be attacked and will be given disagrees
so in the end let me just remind you Killzone 2 is perfect

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Oohhh! You didn't capitalize "PS3" in every sentence!

You are biased and paid off by MS!

[The Judderman]

I thought the textures in Halo3 were a bit lame but going back to it there actually pretty good close up. Crap in multiplayer though.
As for Killzone .. its great. We all know it.

[2FootYard]

I can't understand why you Sony fanboys think that Killzone 2 is such a big deal. Its just another awesome FPS, but most of you dumbasses are acting like its the god of all video games. Maybe your just excited because Playstation is just now getting a second decent FPS.

[yojoe26]

ghost-mutation, XPC Hardcore, and Mitch Cumstein care to comment on Killzone 2? HUH?? If it is not a special game in any way whatsoever, then save us all the headache and refrain from your useless comments made just because you hate the system and the fact that PS3 owners are getting a rock-solid, awesome FPS that you guys don't get. I never said that Killzone 2 is perfect, but it does indeed look to be one of the best FPS's to ever hit consoles. I don't know yet because I haven't played it of course, but in about two days I will let you know after I play the demo. Until then, why don't you guys just go play your gears of war and halo and let PS3 fans be excited about a game. There is nothing wrong with that.

[2FootYard]

F*** you yojoe I don't hate the PS3 I would rather be playing Killzone than most Xbox 360 exclusives. I'm just saying that its not that special.

[yojoe26]

is how do you know? If you were in the beta then that's one thing, but to comment on things you haven't even played is just foolish. I haven't played it either, but based on news this game seems to be pretty special to me. Thanks for the F-bomb on me. I really needed that. Actually that was pretty low-life of you. No need to get angry. However, there is also no need to be so negative on everything. Wait until you play the freaking game. Sheesh...

Edit: I do want to apologize for calling you all idiots. That was wrong of me and very juvenile. That wasn't like me at all. I guess I have had a long day and let something stupid get to me. Forgive me of that. And everyone else just know that I don't normally call people names over a forum. That is just childish and I apologize.

[2FootYard]

I'm just going on what the reviews and videos portray and thats a game that looks really good and plays like most other shooters. And the F-bomb shouldn't be taken to personally I just haven't smoked any weed in over a week and I get irritable.

[yojoe26]

Stay away from that stuff. It'll mess you up. Game on....

[XPC HARDonE]

why do you get all worked up about a game. I am looking forward to killzone 2 as much as the next guy. You have to admit that people have an almost fascist allegiance to their console and at times its funny at other times its scary. I was just trying to use humor to point that out.
of course Killzone 2 will be amazing.

[James Vanderbeek]

it would be held as the greatest fps game ever made since halo 1.. the fact it is a ps3 exclusive its just another good game to the media.. they do this with every ps3 exclusive and its sad...

[James Vanderbeek]

sorry not trying to be mean or start anything but halo 3 was butt ugly.. i think everyone can agree on that.. for all the money bungie made off the halo franchise you would think halo 3 would have some of the best graphics ever.. But it has some of the worse graphics this gen..

[yojoe26]

Im not worked up. Maybe it came off like that, but I'm not. In fact, James vanderbeek said exactly what I was thinking. If you don't see the bias against PS3 and it's games within the media then I don't know what to tell you. I see it and have seen it since 2006 and it's getting old. The same arguments that were made then are still being made (PS3 has no games, online is crappy, blu-ray is pointless, etc.). Sony and their developers are working so stinking hard to please their fans by trying to provide quality titles, online service, and unforgettable new IP's and I think they are doing such a great job. I just wish alot of the media would see the good things they are doing and get off their backs. I mean look at ninety percent of the headlines: "Killzone 2 an epic fail?" "PS3 a sinking ship?", "Sony games division to go under?" "Sony under-delivering?" "Why Killzone 2 won't save the PS3"....you get my drift?? I'm just over the doom and gloom stuff. I have been ignoring it up until this point and maybe I just need to go back to that..

[Itrguy001]

Games that should be scored down Gears, Halo 3, GTA4 got bored after a while gonna edit this post once i think of more games

[stuntman_mike]

I think everyone whos been looking forward to this game have nothing to worry about its gonna be stunning from start to finish then multi-player will just kick arse (multi-player beta was awesome), i think anyone with a ps3 would be stupid not to get this game. it might not revolutionise fsp's but its certainly one of the events of the year.

[poo342947294792]

I farted and it smells funny

[tako2000]

Deduct point on lack of (which never promised to appeared) co-op and revolutionize elements are unreasonable.

Especially "been-there-done-that&quo t; argument, if reviewer stress on that point then at least be consistent through all the review he/she had done. Don't just pop it out when there is hardly anything to deduct point!!

[smurfie4]

Its embarrassingly obvious that the media review with a double standard. It could be developed by god himself but still stripped naked and examined with a microscope if it has a ps logo. I dont even think GOW3 will be immune to it.

[NaiNaiNai]

you know why, cause you fanboys over hyped the game, plus a game that looks as good as Killzone 2, they will point out every low res part. because it doesn't match KZ2 high res gameplay. unlike Halo, since the whole game is low res as stated up top. you fanboys love to twist and spin your way to make it sound like you are injustly outcasted.
-nai-

[zainkool]

I completely agree with this author, I was expecting better review from the such websites like IGN, but i trust X-Play on G4. If your agree with the author click agree.

[majlo]

I don't know... I do not agree with the article. Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of PS3 but there are some reasons why journalists are bashing PS3 exclusives. There are some huge demands on this platform because of the damn promises given, it's a high-end piece of hardware and every mishap is very easy to see. Low texture or anything else.

Killzone is close to perfect but it is not. The design of the SP levels is made like it was created for co-op that is why you can read in reviews that the lack of it is a minus. The graphics are remarceble so every low texture is really easy to spot. The particle effects and scripts ar fantastic so every unnatural behavior of the environment catches your eye right away. The reviews are harsh because of the high demands for this game. For eg. the God damn flame thrower or the revive thingi...gosh, its horrible and you see it right away.

[squelchy15]

i dont think they are biased, from what ive seen, it looks like a really good game. I used to be pro 360 but this game has made me purchase a ps3

[Raider69]

can't wait to play KZ2!it seems gorgeous!by the way GEARS OF WAR 2 is gorgeous too!the only Bias here are the fanboys!the majority of them are just interested in bashing the other!

[Raider69]

have to love how fanboys keep comparing KZ2 to HALO 3!one is due to release this month and the other is almost 3 years old!the minds evolve over the subject!just like devs evolve on knowledge over the machines!

[Thoreau]

xbox only owners will make up any excuse to degrade the game, but i say buy a ps3 and their problems will be solved with killzone 2 joy.

[AriesFury]

Sony gets some good news a a game and now some stupid article wants to take it away from them. For shame.

[Belasco]

The reason the graphics didnt get a 10 out of 10 across the board is due to BLAND ART DIRECTION. Seriously, the game looks 10,000 shades of gray, and the characters arent anything we havent seen before.

[free2game365]

Most gaming critics are fanboys who failed journalism in high school, so what do you expect?

[-IronMan-]

You want bias go look at Gamespot preview that ugly guy in the hat. LOL.

Also Gametrailers is biased as hell they gave MGS4 story lower then Halo3 story. LMAO

[Raoh]

excellent points made...

great write up

[SprSynJn]

I am just glad to see that all of the reviews are in favor of the game. Whether or not it turns out to be the highest rated game of all time is not my concern. I have pre-ordered it and will love it I am sure. I hope many people also buy this game so I have many to play with. Good job GG.

[baodeus]

Maybe because KZ2 was hype to no end "define FPS, revolutionize gaming, etc....." and when people actually play it, it doesn't do anything different than other shooters. It could be a really good shooter, but since there are so much hype, people expect this to blow their mind and it didn't. See that is the problem with hyping a game.

[ricky302]

wow!...you just read my mind. i agree 100%!
i'm almost ready for this game! got my big screen hd tv, getting my 7.1 surround sound system hooked up tomorrow! and just got my bluetooth headset! 3 more weeks!

[TheOutsider]

All You X-bots in here can KISS MY A$$!!! You all have been KILLZOWNED!!

[Ghyst]

on average the game was very well received and if you were interested in getting in before, chances are you are going to buy it now for sure.

[bdup46]

If it's a Ps3 exclusive or Xbox 360 it will get a high score. I wouldn't doubt if the reviewers were taking bribes. Don't get me wrong these games are great but look at Gta 4 fun game until you beat the storyline once. After you beat the game you think to yourself is that it,this is what all the hype was about.

[macalatus]

Let me tell you this:

The article said something mature to discuss about the reviewing process of Killzone 2 and comparing it to other reviews of critically acclaimed games. You guys complain about PS3 fanboys (and anyone supporting Sony, fanboys or not) "lacking" maturity and logic.

Well, the author of the article gave something reasonable,logical, and mature, right? Instead of giving mature rebuttals to the author, you 360 fanboys resort to "WAAAH...WAAAHHH...TEH INTERNETZ BIAS MAKE SONY FANBOYZ CRY!!".

So...let me ask you this question: Are you people even mature? Oh wait...

[HDgamer]

For that answer to be heard some people may have to grow up first then respond like a mature person.

[fanboyhater]

why the f*ck are you people so into supporting one gaming console, and cannot give credit when credit is due? i think its retarded for people to chose sides just for the sake of doing so. You guys are the freakin consumer for GODSAKES. are you getting paid by these companies to put down other games. Why can't you just appreciate a good game for what it is? you guys are freakin ridiculous. Most of you are so immature, you guys must be under 18... Dumb asses.

[Figboy]

is that these "reviewers" use the same tired "NOW Playstation 3 owners have something to play" line WHENEVER a good game hits.

how many is it now?

when VF 5 came out - NOW PS3 owners have something to play besides Resistance
when Motorstorm came out - NOW PS3 owners have something to play besides Resistance
when Ratchet and Clank Future came out - NOW PS3 owners have something to play besides Resistance (oh, i intentionally ignored Heavenly Sword and Folklore, and i also keep using Resistance, because THEY did)
when Uncharted came out - NOW PS3 owners have something to play besides Resistance
when Unreal Tournament 3 came out -NOW PS3 owners have something to play besides Uncharted (they changed it up), but it's coming for the 360 anyway, and will have Achievements.
when Metal Gear Solid 4 came out - NOW PS3 owners have something to play besided Uncharted, or, they have something to WATCH! HAR HAR, cutscenes, get it? amiright? am i?

everytime a GOOD Playstation 3 exclusive hits, from the ones above, to Disgaea 3, Valkyria Chronicles, Little Big Planet, Motorstorm: PR, Resistance 2 and more, they hear the same tired line.

i'm counting at least 10 must have games, and yet the PS3 still suffers from that "game to justify picking up a PS3," comment that gets thrown out.

Killzone 2 is the LATEST victim to this "NOW there is something to play on the Playstation 3..." BS that wasn't funny the first time, and most certainly isn't funny now that it's simply a baseless lie.

that's the equivalent of saying, in a review of Star Ocean IV - "NOW there is an RPG to play on the 360!" and say this EVERY TIME there is a JRPG on the 360, regardless of the fact that the console has seen an abundance of JRPGs.

or better yet, it's like saying, "NOW there is something to play on the 360 besides SHOOTERS! HAR HAR!"

while shooters are the prominent genre on the 360, and they sell more than ANY genre on the 360 (seriously, no like, look at the sales of games like COD4, Halo 3, Gears of War 1 and 2, Mass Effect - RPG though it is, it's combat system is straight up shooter), the console has more than just shooters. but the media doesn't constantly harp on that angle like they do the "PS3 has no good games" angle.

it's easy to see what you want to see when you're eyes are shut tight.

unfortunately, these "journalists" are letting their own personal preferences get in the way of doing their jobs properly, and WELL.

[ricky302]

wow!...you just read my mind. i agree 100%!
i'm almost ready for this game! got my big screen hd tv, getting my 7.1 surround sound system hooked up tomorrow! and just got my bluetooth headset! 3 more weeks!

[MONOLITHICIDE]

nice

[resistance022]

as much as anyone could could possibly agree

[XDF]

PS3 fanboys are hilarious.

It is like they want everything to be perfect in the world of the PS3. They are acting like the world is going to end if MGS4, LBP, Resistance 2, and now Killzone 2 doesn't get the credits they deserved.

If things doesn't go their way, they will used other games on another console to justify their point. "Well, that game didn't have this, it doesn't look as good", etc. etc, why they scored higher? People, please grow up and enjoy your game and stop worrying about a .2 points difference. The freaking game has a 93 on Metacritic for god sake.

I am done.

[NaiNaiNai]

the reason the 360 has less harsh reviews is because its a weaker system, so games like halo or gears with poor textures in places are overlooked because the system can not "CAN NOT" handle all high res graphics. same for gameplay machanics.

how ever the ps3 as stated by sony, is the best gaming system with the most power. thus they dig there own grave by saying nothing tops it.
so of course they are going to look at every little detail, point out, how its its a 50GB disk why there is no co-op. or other things, why if the game is so great, why doesn't the story match how good the game is.
keep in mind sony dug this hole, there games may be great. but on what the ps3 can and could do. even games like killzone 2 and GT5 are trash, thats why they are so "biased" about games on the ps3. because they are not what sony promises them to be.
-nai-

[Enigma_2099]

... is just sickening to them, isn't it?