Our public apology to Sony and Guerilla

Gamersyde writes:

"Some of you may have noticed that we removed our videos of Killzone 2 from the site.

The reason is that, by showing you most of the levels featured in the preview code, we caused more harm to the publisher Sony and the developer Guerrilla than we could ever have imagined.

We got carried away by our enthusiasm and our desire to share the content of this fantastic preview with you. This is an unforgivable misconduct as professionnals, and as journalists.

Therefore, we have permanently removed all the concerned files. And to the people working at Guerilla and Sony we'd like to adress our public apologies.

The Gamersyde team.

To our fellow members and readers, we are aware that you were all very pleased by our videos and that you will probably want to find us excuses.

If you really want to support us please do so by avoiding polemics and trying to recognize Sony and Guerilla's fundamental right to protect their intellectual properties.

Thank you all in advance."

[HighDefinition]

Kiss The Ring!!!

LOL.

[Cwalat]

HighDefenition

atleast they have balls to admit that they did a stupid move...

other journalists wouldn't care as much as going out to the public and appoligizin... it's called respect.. get to know the word, yeah?

for us gamers, it was a treat... but the negativity hurt Sony and GG.... i mean, 2-3 levels are probably spoiled now for most of the gamers that watched the videos...

Gamersyde did the right thing pullin down the videos, and i believe Youtube will do the same thing,

GG and Sony care deeply about this game, goes to show why they put in that amount of money into the project... but we as gamers shouldn't bash Gamersyde... nore should we whine over small things that appeared in the preview code...

We should just shut the fu**k up and wait til February before judgement day...

Gamersyde, nothin but respect.

[HighDefinition]

I was completely joking.

[Bathyj]

Did you ever think Windows should have a univerally recognised "Sarcasm Font" (maybe something itallic) so you wouldn't have to say /sarcasm.

People would just see the font and know you were joking.

[HighDefinition]

I completely agree, Bathyj.

[Oner]

I always thought a reverse italic would be perfect for that!

[Cwalat]

Bathyj

agreed loool :P

i fu**kin hate gaming!!!!!!! ^^,

^^, <---- should be the world wide logo for Sarcasm..

[HighDefinition]

Reverse italic is great idea.

[Timesplitter14]

''Bow before my glory!''

- Ken K.

[SmokeyMcBear]

kneel before ZOD

[HighDefinition]

:)

[Oner]

AHAHAHA Smokey! I went to a wedding of a close friend of my family and his Wife's Uncle was ZOD! All throughout the wedding I was saying stupid lines of his and was hoping he was going to say something at the reception...I had my girl crying!

[beavis4play]

what was the problem with showing the vids? i thought on dec. 4 that's what was going to happen?? can anyone let me know the story of why they have removed the vids and apologized.

[spec_ops_comm]

They pulled the vids because they had pretty much spoiled the first 3 levels of Killzone 2 more than two months before release.

They posted boss fights, intense sniper battles, level objectives, scripted events, etc.

I only watched one vid, then realized that I'd rather play through this first hand in February. I couldn't believe how much they spoiled, and apparently they felt the same way.

[BrunoM]

All i can say is WOW ... i mean it does show something in these industry of ours (GAMERS) that we dont see any more ..

so ya Good job puting the vids up just was showing that u (the site loved all they saw)

But EVEN better job taking it of by seeing that was gaving to much away and would take away from people playing the game for the first time and from sony and or GG trying to keep some stuff down..

in any case nice to see these on the day and age ..

[RevN8r]

I'm guessing English is not your first language...

[Lord Anubis]

for releasing such compressed videos they should be black listed

[Graphics Whore]

The preview code still has less bugs and looks better than 100% of the console games available.

[ShinMaster]

IGN said that the difference between the preview and the near final version of the game they just saw over at Guerrilla, is almost like night and day.

That's how awesome the game is gonna look!

[ezcex]

More journalists need learn about what gamersyde just did.

[Counter_ACT]

Took down some videos they shouldn't have put up in the first place? Please, stop kissing their ass.

[athlon770]

most 'gaming' sites would have just removed the vids without a 2nd thought about putting up an appology. 1up for instance does this alot. It does add up to respect when someone does something just because it is the right thing to do.

[shysun]

I respect them for the way they took them down. It's happened to other sites before but things got REALLY nasty between them and the Dev's after. I like this approach better.

[Sitdown]

agree with counter act. Yeah they apologized.....but that does not mean it was sincere....they could have just threw that in there in order to prevent themselves from being black listed by Sony in the future.

[BrunoM]

yep all the respect to them ....

takes balls to do it and balls like that we dont see it any more on these industry of LIES AND LIARS ...

[ahnonamis]

It's nice that they took down the vids and all, but it's not really about respect. It's about not wanting to piss off Sony even further. They already posted vids of a code that was under embargo from doing that, and the apology is likely just a way to have people see their apology publicly, so Sony can't write them off or blacklist them now.

In a way it's rather brilliant. It's not entirely new, but it is the first time I've seen a bigger gaming site do it. Usually only the smaller-to-medium sized ones publicly apologize to try and avoid any future conflict. Bigger ones just tend to go on their merry way like the publishers owe them something.

So in THAT regard it was a good move. It didn't take balls, though. Just a desire to not further piss off the second biggest publisher.

[Draperc]

Man am I glad I downloaded the videos when I did, I can't get enough of them. Oh, and kudos to Gamersyde to actually swallowing their pride and apologizing to GG and Sony instead of making excuses. Ya don't see that too often anymore.

[IzKyD1331]

why can't all journalists admit their mistakes?
actually, if that were the case, gamedaily would have more apologies than articles on their site

[ElementX]

They want to make themselves look good and avoid conflicts with Sony. This isn't about respect. Apology is policy.

@below:
No, I just don't accept every apology someone dishes out, especially professionals and journalists. Are people just going to forgive MS for the 360's faults?

[Bathyj]

Thats a very glib and cynical view.

Glass is half empty sort of person aren't you?

[Bathyj]

Theres a slight difference between posting some spoilers and shafting 20M customers while avoiding a $4B recall.

Man you need to sort your priorities out.

[ElementX]

My priorities? What does that have to do with anything? I'm not talking about what was wrong, I'm talking about apologies. Read my comment in the Open Zone to see an example about "respect and apologies"

[Bathyj]

I understand what you're saying about just cos they apoligized doesn't mean they deserve respect but your reaction seems a bit harsh considering the intial FUBAR wasn't such a big deal anyway.

They might not have earnt your respect (and believe me, respect is something I believe in and should be earnt) but I dont think you should be so quick to throw a genuine apology back into someones face when it came unsolicited. If you always did that, why would anyone feel compelled or obliged to apologize to you? Nor do I see how you can compare this little thing to Microsofts track record with customer relations which for the sake of peace I'm not going into here.

Anyway thats my point of view. I basically think you're a pretty cool dude and quite reasonable most of the time and since its my last bubble I hope we can consider this settled unless you want to argue with me in the open zone. Be advised thou thats really all I have to say and will be leaving work soon and have to get ready for a party tonight.

PS
Glad you're enjoying MGS4 so much. People who haven't played it and think its just a long movie totally miss the point. Thats just their easy way of dissing what they dont understand. The game is strong enough to stand up just as a 3rd person shooter, but its so much more than that, as you know. Anyway enjoy.

[TheColbertinator]

Its a good thing that Gamersyde corrected this situation.I have no desire of seeing that site blackballed like other sleazy sites *cough*Kotaku*cough*

[morganfell]

Still in the midst of their sorrow it would be nice to see them spell Guerrilla correctly.

[Bathyj]

I cant help but think of Adam Gilchrist right now. You'll find him in the dictionary under "sportsmanship".

[Surfman]

great from them.

[NewScratch]

that's a dumb move. whether folks want to see a walkthrough of a game or not its plain terrible to do it. preview code or not. totally unprofessional and they shouldn't be given credit for apologizing.

thats like putting a rough cut of a movie up for folks to check out using the excuse of folks wanting to see it so bad. are you kidding? you're killing the magic...

[athlon770]

People will always make mistakes, and while parts of this game are willingly shown to us by GG, there was obviously a NDA for this game code that either the person reviewing it didn't know about, or thought the parts he/they showed was supposed to be allowed. I for one like to see all the footage I can get on a perspective game. without it, all we would hear about is "um, yeah, it is a really cool game, great graphics, awesome sound...blah, blah, blah" but what does that tell you...nothing. His opinion of great graphics could include tearing (Assassins Creed) or color banding (Halo 3) which I would want to see for my self before passing judgement. If you don't want to see a game in action before buying it, will that is your $60.00, I would rather see every bit of video of the in game action, even if it is beta code. Beta code still gives us a good idea of where the game is going.

[DaTruth]

If I didn't know whether or not I was gonna buy the game, than I would want to see the vids. Since this was a first day buy from 2005 E3 target (I knew they could pull it off),I don't need to see the vids. I only needed to se enough to say "Holy $h1t I knew they would pull it off".

Wish I never typed the words 3f!%me. took me so long to get those two bubbles I lost when I went to the Open zone for a week; especially with the bible for an avatar, Nerds hate God.

[NewScratch]

but a whole walkthrough? thats insane in my opinion. i can slightly see where you guys are coming from but it just doesn't register that way to me i guess.

[Timesplitter14]

I thought this would be because they didn't believe Geurilla could pull this off (surpassing the CG target render)

[ultimolu]

Someone finally apologizes.
They get my respect for that. I wish the other biased, bullsh*tting sites can do the same as well and yes Videogamer, I'm looking at you because you KNOW that Prince of Persia comparison was bullsh*t.

[ElementX]

I find your Video"GAY"mer comment offensive, I happen to be a gamer who's gay and there's just no reason to talk like that. If you apologized to me, I wouldn't accept. It's become a mainstream word these days and I don't believe people even think about it when they talk that way, and if it might offend people. So, you rattled out something without thinking, and you think I would respect you if you were to apologize? I would respect you if you didn't talk like that.

@below:
You're forgiven :)

@below: So you say "gay" because you're upset with something? Anyway, it's water under the bridge

[ultimolu]

I'm very sorry if I offended you.
I have nothing against gay people at all. And if you don't accept, I understand.

I was very angry about that comparison video because it was unfair.

[ElementX]

I wasn't going to be an asshole so I forgave you. I actually have a soft heart. There's a difference between apologizing and earning respect. If someone apologies, it doesn't necessarily show they should be respected. It means they erred and they're sorry.

On a side note:
OMG MGS4 is awesome. I used to drink a lot so I was never focused enough to play. Either that or stoned when I first bought the game. Now that my mind is clear, WOW! I'm addicted.

[ultimolu]

Lol, don't even remind of that game.

...i haven't beaten it yet.

*feels incredibly small and will probably get mauled*

[TheMART]

Great. Before they took them down, I already downloaded the 720p movies in MP4 format to check them on my laptop or PS3. HAH

@ Smokey (below)

Nah I just noticed that Sony wants so hard to push the graphics close to the trailer back at the E3, that they totally forgot about the fun of the gameplay in general if I look at it.

So I went back to my 360 and popped in Gears of War 2 again and remembered how the 360 keeps me hooked with great looking games that also play like heaven.

Still missing that on the PS3. Even in LBP. The controls aren't tight enough and the 3D switch that fails a lot with jumping and the different levels of dept make me want to switch the game off and start playing my 360 again.

[SmokeyMcBear]

and then you cried yourself to sleep grasping your 360 saying "its ok baby.. i still love you"

[IzKyD1331]

so you download all those Killzone videos just to criticize the game?

[smurfie4]

You would know that because you have played Killzone 2? Because I have and believe me it's not all about looks. It's about the intensity and visceral nature of combat, and the ambiance of war. Sounds more like to me that you went back and played Gears of War 2 for self-assurance that it's still "TEh Best Game EVar." What is your psn-id anyway?

[Bathyj]

Mart doesn't have a PS3.

I doubt he even has a drivers licence.

[PLiPhaze]

You guys surely know about The Mart/POG by now, he used to be the ORIGINAL stealth troll now he's just... meh

[Rob0g0rilla]

:D

[cmrbe]

did they do?. I don't get it. Was the footage old footage?.

[Aclay]

Gamersyde released the new Killzone 2 Single Player videos a little early, that's what the big deal is. No website was supposed to show any new KZ2 Single Player footage until Dec. 4th, but Gamersyde released the videos in the afternoon of Dec. 3rd. And right now they are basically saying "Sorry for what we did".

[SRuN4]

You do know they're in France right? So afternoon for America was midnight for them. And they didnt go up until midnight there, there was a bug that allowed people to view them early when they initially uploaded them but they quickly fixed the bugs and also got all the other uploads killed across the net.

I think the problem was with the fact that they showed so much of the preview build, I loved the videos but after all those videos I sorta did feel like I had just saw almost half the game.

[referretire]

did they show a boss fight, but showed how to kill it and even destroyed it in the video. Actually, I was kind of suprised of the footage they showed. I knew it was a preview code, but the amount they showed was alot. But I did enjoyed them. So I am sorry for enjoying them. Now I get to go to work and tell all my coworkers, I freaking told you so, and wait in depression mode until February to play this game. Damn.

[smurfie4]

Sorry that I downloaded the videos before they removed them! ^_^

[Peow]

Gamersyde kicks ass. Kudos to them.

[Dark General]

Didn't watch the footage. I'm taking the "MGS4" route with Killzone 2. IE watch maybe the open level about a million times but don't go out of my way to hunt down footage of other levels. I want to keep that "fresh" feeling when popping in the game and playing it for the first time.

[perseus]

I want to save K2 for when I actually play, not for when I watch someone else play it. No previews or reviews for me, either.

I still haven't finished MGS4, and I still refuse to open any threads or links that relate to it.

[Dark General]

What are you waiting for then? Finish the game! It gets better with each act.

[perseus]

I'm trying! I have a kid and a job and no time! But I got two hours in today.

[Dark General]

Oy! A kid. I'm glad my girlfriend uses birth control. Seriously. I don't want any kids yet. I'm too young (only 20). One of my friends is already getting married then he turns around and asks me "Are you thinking about marrying Cassandra?". My answer? "......No."

How old is your son/daughter?

[perseus]

They took the videos down and made the kiss-ass apology because they're afraid of being black-listed by Sony. No other reason.

[treereet]

I'm thinking it's because they showed the boss fight? Hope they don't get in too much trouble, Gamersyde is the best site for game videos IMO.

[pp]

Hahahhaha who the F*ck would ever want to apology to Sony and Guerilla both are gays.

[Microsoft_Spokesman]

Ummm, looking at the website, I guess they do? -_-. Homo.

[thereapersson]

He should be banned from this site!

[Bathyj]

He should be banned from this site.

[Boty]

You should tell your mother to sue Trojan.

[jwinkelman8]

They gave away too much. Anyways I have this really dumb girl that is part of a group email I have to send and whenever I am using sarcasm I have to put 2 period at the end of the sentence to let her know I am joking.

[gameraxis]

there's still a whole game there we didn't see, ok 3, 5 minute parts, from 3 levels.

I'm estimating u got the rest of the 55 or so min from those 3 levels, and then 7 full 60 min levels we haven't even seen yet... game is far from ruined in my book.

Although i will say if that desert level is as crazy as it gets(which i loved) then i would have like to see that once its in my ps3, but i doubt there is nothing else worth giving u that awe feeling, there's plenty.
Like hopefully a snow level ;), always loved snow levels like halo 1 and R1

[Magic_The_Celt]

Good boys! *gives gamersyde a cookie*

[qohelet]

the torrents are still reachable
the gamersyde tracker is up and running, go figure

[EvilCackle]

This needed to be on N4G?

[trancefreak]

Read here how neogaf forum members accused n4g of being the premature leakers'

LoL

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Narutone66]

unlike Kotaku which instead of keeping quiet about Home, defied what Sony nicely asked them to do.

[kosovo]

what a prick!

[bviperz]

And in a way good for us. For me it's like when they show too many previews for a movie, then go see the movie and find out that you already watched half of the movie in the previews. That always sux.

[solidsnakus]

killzone 2s graphics look amazing. i wonder why mgs4 didnt look like that.

[tonywood]

They need the hype. Ps3 has not been doing that great...and from the footage I saw, they need people to see what the ps3 can do. yea, should not show all the goods, but enough coverage could spur some hype 4 sales!

Gears and Halo footage was all over the web and magazines....and how did that work out? Holding LBP, R2, and MGS4 until the last minute, with NO real in-game footage (Also, poor advertisement) didn't work out all to well.