Rare: Our 360 titles could have GoldenEye effect

Speaking to VideoGamer.com Rare senior software engineer Nick Burton has revealed that he believes the studio's 360 titles could well be remembered by today's gamers in the same way a generation looks back on N64 classic GoldenEye.

When asked if Rare is releasing games now that will have a similar effect on these people as older games did with an older generation of gamers, Burton was confident that they would.

"I think that already happened," stated Burton. "It's funny when you get fan mail. We do. We get quite a bit. Some for old stuff, quite a lot for new stuff.

"Whether we have as many of them or more, you'll have to ask me in 10 years time. But then again the market's much bigger, it's much more diverse, there's many more games."

When asked directly if the games Rare is putting out on the Xbox 360 could be this generation's GoldenEye experience, Burton replied: "Could be, yeah. It would be a different experience from GoldenEye without a doubt."

[Silogon]

Yeah, cause Kameo and Perfect Dark are both incredible games that broke down the walls of gamers expectations the world over.

Rare, do me a solid... shut up.

[green]

I believe this time silogan it's you that needs to shut up.

Kameo was a fantastic launch title and was only handicapped by the very small install base at the time.If that game was launched today it will do much better because if you actually go back Kameo, you will realise that it has not aged one bit.Why do you think that alot of 360 fans are crying out for a Kameo sequel?

Perfect dark on the other hand has aged badly but in 2005, it was aa very enjoyable game.When you start a mission you have the ability to choose your basic weapons.the environment where all very different, breakaway armor on the enemies, multiple paths and co-op.Also don't forget that it employed a squad based multiplayer system.

EDIT: One question, have you played Viva Piniata?That game is one very innovative game that got a lot of great reviews and the sequel looks even better.

Banjo Nuts and Blots could end up a surprise hit because every single post E3 preview have had nothing but praise for the game.

So instead of telling then to "Shut up" , why don't you applaud them for setting such standards for themselves.

[FreeMonk]

When Rare was producing games for the SNES & N64, the games they were releasing were top notch games and now classics!!

Donkey Kong Country, Killer Instinct, Goldeneye, Donkey Kong, Banjo Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Diddy Kong Racing, Perfect Dark.

Those games are classics, and will be remembered by many a fan. That was when Rare had it's original founders and team. Now a majority of that team have left Rare, with most of them working for Free Radical.

Now I have no doubt that Rare will produce some nice titles. Kameo was a great game, as was Viva Pinata..but will they match the quality of previous titles...somehow I don't think so.

I'd love to see it, but Rare is not the company it was 10 years ago, which is a shame!

[juuken]

I agree FreeMonk. Goldeneye, Killer Instinct, and DonkeyKong were classics. I never played GoldenEye but I loved Killser Instinct. I had that for the SNES and gameboy. It'll be good to see them bring back some classics though.

[solidsnakus]

i dont know but i think rare is starting to suck, WAIT!! but its only because Ms is making them work on shiity titles now. if they made a proper perfect dark( one that isnt rushed and incomplete) it would of been a really great game. i still have PDZ and still think its a great game.

[Bonsai1214]

except the core snes/n64 team of rare people left..

[dachiefsman]

jebus negative nancy. do you ever say anything postive? you remind me of one of those rich chicks who b*tch all the time when they should be happy with their situation.

[callahan09]

360 games Perfect Dark & Kameo are both un-fun and ugly in my opinion. I played them each about 1 year after launch, and couldn't stand them. Not even close to the caliber of Rare's older work.

I tried Viva Pinata, and that is by far their best game since Microsoft acquired the studio, but I didn't personally like that game either. It was a rather interesting, pretty, and deep game, but not my cup of tea. Rare still hasn't made one thing I've enjoyed since they released Conker's Bad Fur Day back on the N64.

[Superfragilistic]

This article from the other day explains him perfectly...

"The STFU mentality isn’t designed to foster debate, rather to shut it down... STFU isn’t criticism, it’s attempted intimidation. Why attempt to silence any developer when their words provide an opening for the kind of further inquiry and pointed questions that will generate more fruitful discussions?"

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

[solidsnakus]

wow , cant belive you guys dont like PDZ. really good game IMO, it was totaly rushed and its apparent in the animations being all out of sync. but the controls and gameplay is solid.still fun to this day i play it once in a while to play some infection mode.

[deeznuts]

Just tried Kameo last night ... I pass. Not my cup of tea apparently.

[foodbox]

Disclosure: I've not played Perfect Dark.

BUT, I have played the HELL out of Kameo. It is an exceptional game. From your loud-mouthed nonsense, we can tell you've never played Kameo, because for those who do, they have a great respect for it.

Kameo is one of the most under-rated games of the generation.

And, clearly you've also *never* played Viva Pinata, which, again, is massively under-appreciated.

Sure, both games have a very-good-sized fanbase crying out for sequals (yay! Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise!)...

And, from everything we've seen of Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, they've got a very serious hit under-development.

You're anti-MS rage has caused you to speak out your anus, perhaps you should take your FUD to the open zone? I think you should >

[power of Green]

There was nothing wrong with Kameo, the 360 ;aunch period had a much differnt demographic. lol

Pefect dark was a great rushed title that had to make launch. I know insider MSFT game testers, Perfect Dark Zero 2 is going to be huge(multi player huge, more realistic appoach, massive battles).

[dantesparda]

But Rare is definitely not what it used to be, when it was with Nintendo. I bought both PDZ and Kameo (along with PGR3 and a VGA cable) when i first bought my 360. And while i did think that Kameo was a beautiful game, I did not think it was that great a game. It was just "OK" at best for me, I really just didnt like the way it controlled and all the switching back and forth between the guys (and i beat the game). Didnt really like or was impressed by PGR3 either (although i think part 4 is far more impressive, and i especially liked the motorcycles). But loved PDZ, i know alot of people hate it. And part of the reason for that was that it was missing mad weapons and sh!t from the original N64 game and alot of people thought the story was cheesy. But i thought the game looked beautiful and played great. As a matter of fact, i think that PDZ, is much better Halo 3, and I liked Halo 1 alot! (but feel that they've deterioted since then), and is one of my favorite games on the system.

But everything they've brought out since then has sucked in my opinion. I completely hated Viva Pinata, and its a kids game. And Banjo just looks like Viva to me. And i really like the N64 Banjo. And the Avatar's artwork looks absolutely horrible to me. So i am not impressed with their work as of late.

[PistolPumptMonk]

Um. yeah. Not happening.

[Masko]

cuz yeah, u work for rare right. shut up already

[PistolPumptMonk]

haha calm down there ol' buddy, let me explain myself before you get your panties in a bunch.

I'm not saying that Rare doesn't have talented people working for them, or that they aren't capable of putting out amazing games.

But with so many great games coming out nowadays, and with every genre being over saturated with gems, what are the chance that another game could have the impact of GOLDENEYE.

We're talking about one of the most amazing games of my childhood, and being someone who has played all the great games of late, I just don't see that happening again.

I will now CLARIFY by saying that this not happening is an opinion, and yes, I will give Rare a snowball's chance in hell of developing a title that completely rocks the gaming world. And no, Viva Pinata and Banjo Kazooie do not count. Also, before you go telling people to shut up, work on not being such a punk. Thanks.

Happy?

[PS360WII]

Says the delusional man

[foodbox]

Kameo is exceptional. Viva Pinata is exceptional.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts is looking to be a massive hit.

What part of this is confusing to you? Get your shiat straight.

[RememberThe357]

Like many of you GoldenEye was one of the best time I ever had with a game. Me and my friends would play it all night trying to get the golden gun and kick everyones ass. But what I've seen of Rare has been good but not great. GoldenEye, for it's time, was great, Perfect Dark, for its time, was great, and the list goes on. Rare does not seem like the same developer to me and operantly they aren't considering most of those guy are with Free Radical now. I can completely respect your love for the games they make now, but they are not the same quality of the past. I have not seen anything in Banjo that impressed me at all. Maybe I'll see something else but I kind of doubt it.

[DaKid]

Its a good goal. If they keep trying to work towards this goal more power to them, I wish them luck.

[himdeel]

...it's a lofty goal but when Golden Eye came out it was a VERY different time. A lot has changed.

[RadientFlux]

I don't see why they couldn't. Heck any game developer has a chance of creating a masterpiece. Sure some developers are more likely than others but the chance is still there.

[Immortal Kaim]

Exactly, we all know RARE are capable of making masterpieces, we are just yet to see something of that calibre This Gen.

No one can say with absolute certainty that they won't achieve that high level of creation again. I suppose we will have to wait and see.

[Superfragilistic]

And Rare has a track record of producing masterpieces... so their chances are better than most. I suspect they'd also be their own worst critics and given they know what they're working on as opposed to idiots that seemingly know it all like Siligon, I'm happy to give them the benefit of doubt.

Plus if you look at their history they went through a similarly underwhelming stage with the NES before they hit it big with Donkey Kong Country on SNES (maybe Banjo this time?), and then followed with five years of megahits on the N64.

Kameo and Viva Pinata were both solid titles and despite the aging of Perfect Dark it still managed 81 on Metacritic.

They haven't had that Goldeneye yet. But I read on IGN or EDGE that Banjo could very much be the Goldeneye of Platforming... personally I can't wait to find out! :)

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

I think people would agree with you regarding Perfect Dark but Kameo?

Alot of people say that this is better than most Mario outings and is certainly a solid 4/5 in my book.

As regards the future - sure give them enough time and support and im sure theyll blow us away.

[juuken]

It's a good goal but the problem is...can they reach it?

Lol @ the disagrees. I haven't heard from Rare in a long time so it would be interesting to see what they can do with games now. I never asserted I didn't have faith in them.

[green]

You have not heard from them in a while because you have not played Viva Pinata.

[juuken]

Exactly. I haven't played any Rare games in a long time. I was being honest when I said I was interested in what they were going to do now.

[green]

I would advise you to got to a buddy's house that owns a 360, either rent Viva pinata or at least download the demo and play it.I can assure you that when you experience Viva, you would realize that RARE have still got sh*t loads of talent running in them.

I was once like alot of people on N4G regarding RARE but after playing Viva and reading the incredible positive post E3 previews of Banjo 3 and Viva 2, i now have no doubt in my mind that RARE are still great.

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/a...
http://www.computerandvideo...

[juuken]

I'll give it a shot when I get my 360.

[user858621]

really like perfect dark? lmaohahaha

[Zerodin]

BURN!

[user858621]

but not as good as resistance

burn!! burn!!

[Kleptic]

Rare isn't Rare anymore...what is with all their BS PR lately?...

yeah Haze sucked...but Rare will never touch the greatness that it used to create without the people that created Free Radical...

it is obvious they don't even realize what the 'goldeneye effect' even was...it was a shooter that was WAY ahead of its time for consoles...hell most of the guys that make up Rare now weren't even in college when Goldeneye released...

Rare has been pumping out MS ass-kissing all week now...show something impressive, and it will be alright...but luke-warm impressions of BK won't cut it...

[TheExecutive]

RARE is just a name now, it is not populated by the same people it once was.

[Superfragilistic]

Read the full interview... 1/3 of the original Goldeneye team remain at Rare.

Also I'd point out that many people who made the classic NES, SNES & N64 games were not around very long by virtue of the tense relationship with Nintendo and the attitude/working conditions of the Stampers. For example many people who worked on Battletoads did not work on Donkey Kong Country, many people who worked on DK Country did not work on Goldeneye, many people who worked on Goldeneye did not work on Conker... etc.

Rare was a great developer, is a great developer and by all indications will continue to be a great developer.

[Superfragilistic]

Arrrggghhh those N4G Gremlins made me double post... :/

[militant07]

rare is one of best developmer
why ??
VIVA PINAT

[Swatjr101]

Koncer's bad fur day

Or how every you say it

[Arsenic13]

*Sigh* Conker's Bad Fur Day.......

[Arsenic13]

The only game i can say they made that was good so far was Viva Pinata, there was way to much to do for it to be a kids game! They need to make a Conker 2. They have the tech to make a highly detailed rude little squirrel in spoofs of current games. Just imagine Conkers head in Marcus Fenix's armor! They need to make this game!

[Swatjr101]

They did make a number 2

[Arsenic13]

No they didn't. It was a remake for Xbox with Xbox live, and LESS SWEARING. It wasn't a sequel.

[Swatjr101]

Okay

[Arsenic13]

You fanboys and your perpetual virginity. Your all so precious.

[CouchKing0]

Keep on trying Rare, you'll get it right someday.

[Pain]

Considering that Half... like the good half..of left Rare when M$ bought them, they working at Free rad..aka the Timespitter /haze guys.

Haze was a great game played like a dream .sure story was Wack but its a adult aimed game so thats why the kiddy and tweens never got it.

[PimpHandStrong]

what does he mean by that? I didnt read the article because RARE has been in the news of late pumping the360 fanbase!

GoldenEye was a great game but its more myth then fact in todays world of FPS's! You can take the average FPS of the last year and it blows GoldenEye out of the water

Rare needs to just shut up and make some good games!

[Superfragilistic]

You do realise the reason you have great console FPS titles now is largely thanks to Goldeneye? Although you didn't get his metaphor, so maybe you don't... :/

You should read my earlier post on those who use STFU as an argument. ;)

[ukilnme]

@ Superfragilistic

You are my hero.

[highps3]

Thats it.

[PimpHandStrong]

i said shut up

if you dont understand the difference in that then maybe you dont understand much of anything ppl write

Have you tried to play GoldenEye anytime over the last year? Well i have

Its a single stick shooter that doesnt hold up well to time!

GoldenEye was not the reason FPS's became what they are and the only reason you think that is because the guys that made it are 360 devs

I think Id would have a couple words for you! Caslte Wolfenstine and Doom are what started FPS's and GoldenEye was just one of the better ones that came out AFTER those games

get a grip dude

GoldenEye like i said is more MYTH then FACT

[Superfragilistic]

Errr they'd be PC FPS, as opposed to Goldeneye the father of console FPS... lol

And just like your failure to understand Rare's Goldeneye metaphor, you clearly fail to understand the STFU metaphor... yes it includes telling developers to "shut up" as well. :)

[Viktor E]

I Strongly Disagree with the Developers statement

[kevnb]

Did you think rare would answer that question with "no, I think we are a shell of our former selves and will never make a game as successful as Golden Eye again."?

[PimpHandStrong]

Rare should be quiet till they have a game worth talking about!

Is that better!

[Superfragilistic]

Nah it's cool mate, we just disagree. :)

I just believe that developers talking, even when sh!t like "Bigger, Better and More Badass" is giving me headaches, is important and valuable as it opens up a dialogue with gamers and gives us an insight into what they're up to and how they're minds tick.

The more discussion we generate, the more avenues can be explored, the better games we'll receive, and hopefully that will eventually push games to a level where even non-gamers recognise it as art.

[Morgue]

No comment.

[Adamalicious]

I'm sorry guys, Viva Piñata is adorable and all, but we're talking about GoldenEye here. Golden-freaking-Eye!! Unless you're going to come out with something as good as, say, MGS4 it's just not going to happen.

[nycredude]

I agree that all developers should just shut up and concentrate on making great games.

I can't believe people and developers are still talking about a really old game that is now water under the bridge.

The industry and games have changed so lets just move on and create the games of the future.

[GarandShooter]

'I can't believe people and developers are still talking about a really old game that is now water under the bridge.'

It's entertainemnt, it's nostalgia, and people feel a certain attachment to it, and it's part of the evolution of where gaming is today.

Is 'The Godfather' not a great movie because it's 'water under the bridge'?

Is Jimi Hendrix's music no longer relevant for the same reason?

[Matpan]

Sure they can do. And hopefully they will. They have made pretty games so far. I want a classic, I know rare can pull ont out of the hat :) and 360 is in need of some charm a la rare.

[Playstation Man]

Perfect Dark is teh suck. Banjo to be GoldenEye? Sad reality for teh crap fvcking 360 owners who are teh suck. When your most anticipated and hyped game is about a retarded Bear, you should just admit, you are teh suck. 360 is teh suck. Its owners are teh suck.

[4D]

She is teh suck real good. She is teh swallow. She is teh get every last drop. She is teh gargle the balls. She is teh deep throat.

[Hockey11]

Your are teh immature, you are teh living in your parents basement. Please do yourslf a favor and accomplish something in life. Start by losing weight so you can fit through the door to outside.

[Xi]

Anyone who's played games from rare recently will know that they have been top notch. Even perfect dark, which was a rushed port over from the original xbox still has a feeling of polish in it's gameplay, even if everything else wasn't there.

I really hope they make a new FPS IP, one that screams the PD and Goldeneye feel, with polished and vareity in it's gameplay, and some of the great level design and weapons.

[Shankle]

That'll be Timesplitters 4.

[jonboi24]

Rare has the potential to a create a game that can become a classic and most developers have too but its gonna be hard to make a game that will have the same effect on gamers than GoldenEye. For its time it was simply a masterpiece that had no equal and was the 2nd best game for me, on the N64 (1st obviously being Zelda Ocarina of Time).

[Shankle]

Rare started sucking when Free Radical left.

[Xi]

And so would anyone who's played any of rare's recent games. All have been top notch.

The members of free radical where best when they were with rare, since then they've done, timesplitters, second sight, and haze. While all good games, they aren't better then what rare is producing today.

[jackdoe]

Meh. Make another Conker game and then they might just get their masterpiece.

[Tacki]

I'm just not sure about Rare these days. Even looking at their last title before being acquired by Microsoft I started to notice a small decline. Starfox Adventures was a solid title I think, but while it was polished... it basically felt like a Zelda game where you play as Fox. That being said, it's still one of my favorite titles for the Gamecube. I won't say that they haven't made any good games for the 360... rather I myself just haven't been impressed by them in awhile. And I'm not saying this just to be another to jump on the hate wagon. I have played Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, and Viva Pinata. Out of those games I believe Viva Pinata is best. However, after about 10 hours I no longer had a desire for it. Perhaps this is more due to my taste, as games like The Sims have a similar effect on me. Still I won't deny that it's a nice title for what it is. And surprisingly deep for what you expect to be a children's game. Perfect Dark Zero was really disappointing to me. The game had a unique style to it but I think it did suffer from being rushed. There's some fun to be had in it... but I hope they're able to do alot more with that series. Kameo wasn't a bad launch title. Certainly showed off some of the 360's power early on. But it really wasn't to MY liking.

I should probably get out of the way right now that I hate Banjo Kazooie. I know, I know... it's liked by many and I'm not knocking it. But ever since the N64 era I've had a strong dislike for the franchise. I can't pin down exactly what it is... but my brother used to play the games all the time and just watching the game would irritate me! Just something about the art style and those goofy characters that gets to me. I understand it has it's appeal to others. I'm just saying it's not my cup of tea! So unfortunately I can't look forward to the new one. Even though I admit it looks slightly more appealing to me than the previous games.

Grabbed by the Ghoulies? I don't think I need to say much about that one. Again it had a somewhat unique art style... but it tried that right stick for attacks formula that I still haven't seen implemented really well. Too Human doesn't do a bad job at it... but it still doesn't feel as natural as in games such as Super Stardust HD and the like. I did find it funny that in Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts they have this big trash can with copies of Grabbed by the Ghoulies in it. At the very least Rare has a sense of humor when it comes to their lesser successes.

It would be nice if Rare could return to its former glory. As of right now I'm interested in what they'll do with Killer Instinct. I've been itching for fighting games as of late... and while I've never played a Killer Instinct game I've heard some good things about them (if mostly for the pre-N64 games). I'm just looking forward to seeing another fighting game series come out. I think it's a genre that doesn't really get as much attention, so the more the merrier!

That's pretty much my thoughts on Rare and what I look forward to seeing from them. Please remember I was not trying to criticize any or their titles... but merely share my opinion of them. I realize many may not hold the same and that's quite alright.

[zonetrooper5]

Strange really, Rare is usally media shy. Guys play Viva Pinita, it looks like a kids game but damn its the usual kid game you have ever played, its addictive, fun and it gets pretty hard as you progress through the levels.

[air1]

and sony isnt about the games anymore like it was last gen. how could you ppl praise sony the company with more studios than micro and ninty but is lacking behind both of them? you turds have a good tolerance at waiting.

[Egzekutor]

We actually have really good first party titles to look out for.. Thats why we wait. Whats been said by SONY that PS3 will deliver unmatched graphics and performance is slowly becoming true.. Just like the PS2, more and more nice games like Killzone 2 or Heavy Rain are slowly popping up in trailers. Those are first party games. Those games look that good because those developers are dedicated to one system and they learn about one system all the time.

If you look at PS2, it didn't have great graphical titles at the beggining, but you can see how that changed when Resident Evil 4 was released. Give PS3 a 2-3 years just like the Saints Row 2 developer said and then you will see how this generation changes. Many of you think that in 2-3 years time it wont matter because new consoles will be out.. Actually even if they do come out with a 16 core processor, this whole developing process will be repeated and you will see better titles on PS3 than PS4.

Why would you need to change your console when you still have a great machine which you bought years ago, that still plays Blu Ray etc..
PS3 is about next gen and it wont die out that quickly.

[Rhezin]

Perfect Dark not as good as resistance. LOL PERFECT DARK CAME OUT IN 2005 THATS LIKE LAST GEN but your saying perfect dark did "better" than resistance. I find that hilarious seeing as your saying resistance like a 2006 ps3 exclusive title did "better" than a 2005 title. You're right Perfect Dark was crap and Resistance your "golden" game is barely above it. You burned yourself buddy Wasseem

[Old Snake]

Is this guy serious? They haven't released one triple a game for 360 yet. Does he honestly think people will be talking about Kameo, Perfect Dark, and Viva Pinata 10 years from now?

[thekingofMA]

Kameo: No (good game, but a strange launch title that wasn't well known)

Perfect Dark: No (the game was rushed and it showed-a sequel could possibly be remembered, depending if MS puts some advertisement into it...)

Viva Pinata: yes-i see this franchise expanding massively. the halo of xbox casual games for the future (that just put a great idea into my head: a viva pinata shooter-just think of the pinata effects that you could see)

[uckitsayitchbay]

Keep telling yourselves that rare lmao!!

[CrizzleC24]

Slap the phrase "its just like goldeneye" and your bound to get attention. In fact, Haze is so fun its even BETTER THAN GOLDENEYE.
Better yet, I played Battlefield Bad Company and its BETTER THAN SUPER MARIO 3.

I get tired of these articles, Perfect Dark Zero was beautiful(and for a while the multiplayer was fun), but its not goldeneye material.

SERIOUSLY THOUGH, I LOVE THE GRAPHICS OF PERFECT DARK ZERO!!!!

Every level had HDR and Bloom effects like I havent seen since its release. And that level that goes downtown? Beautiful. (gameplay sucked but it was effing beautiful)

[Rageanitus]

I still wonder WHAT WAS SO GR8 about golden eye?

It really bored the heck out of me even its famed deathmatch experience.

Sorry but I think PC fps's back in the days whooped the crap out of the Golden eye.

[BrianC6234]

Bwahaha. Those Rare kids are a crackup. They won't admit that gamers hate their games. Nintendo sure was smart to get rid of them when they did.

[kewlkat007]

Rare being under MS it doesn't matter what they put out. Some will hate just because it's MS.

Kameo and Viva are pretty good games.

No they are not Goldeneye, but Rare is good at Platformers for the most part. I think they will have some nice stuff coming out.

[Product]

@Rageanitus.......you must have never had 3 of your buddies in the same room playing it with you then.Online play is fun .....but 4 player in the same room,priceless.

Goldeneye started the console multiplayer FPS.Nothing will equal not even any game released this gen so far.Rare is nothing compared to what they used to be.Period.We all know it.