CliffyB Calls Metal Gear "Passive Entertainment"

Cliff Bleszinski, lead game designer of Gears of War 2, cites Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic doesn't want to make. What were his exact words? Read on to find out.

[Wildarmsjecht]

lmao....ok. Whatever you say cliffy. Frankly, guns ablazing big steroid induced burly men are so 1990s. Id rather MGS4 over UT/Gears thx.

[Bill Gates]

This guy's a (______)<--- insert 3 letter derogatory word here.

Hey CliffyNutjob, it’s not Kojimas fault that M$ stuck you with DVD9, and last gen hardware. If you’re so jealous of MGS4 put your money where your mouth is and make a game for the PS3, you BABOON.

[BulletToothtony]

There really was no need for that comment... i guess he's so wrapped around action and action (which is not bad) that he couldn't simply appreciate some slower pace game.

By that comment only thing that i can detect is jealousy...

[solidjun5]

I predict this thread will turn the cold war into a blazin hot one.

[Monchichi025]

Those games aren't my cup of tea. I want action Dammit!!! If I want to watch a whole bunch of long cutscene I'll go to the movies. But that's just my own personal preference. To each his own!

[iHEARTboobs]

With or without the cutscenes, there's still a great game there.

[morganfell]

Someone needs to tell him that faux hawk hairdoos are passe and on the way out. Unreal Tournament 3 didn't sell worth a dam because instagib producing mindless shooters are on the way out.

Maybe if he smoked less reefer and employed his mind more then he would understand the undertones of MGS. Sorry wanna be surferboy/new wave/giblet, but your comments are on the way out.

[LaChance]

I bet Kojima would say the same thing about Geow.

And all you guys woul have agreed with praises.

edit : Kojima would probably would have said "I dont Gears is the kinda game we would want to make , all violence etc".Its just perssonal taste.

You guys seem to be pretty one minded and closed up to any kinda differance in opinion.

edit 2 : @ Morgan Fell below : oh well , thanxs for the link.I admit I didnt know he like Geow.
But sorry man Kojima isnt my father and I dont spend all day long looking at his portrait and checking up everything that comes out of his mouth..Maybe thats why I dont know his each and every word.

Once again to everyone : dont mind my post but Im not deleting it because evry one makes mistakes and the really is no problam at all.You guys should chill out.

[xhairs]

@Wildarm, well said, nothing more that can be said that practically sums it all up. What I see happening is, just like the Halo series, no more campaign just simply multiplayer gaming. As well I see their franchise coming to an abrupt end very soon. Can someone also remind me how long the MGS Series has been alive...since the SNES (but I also believe there was a game way back on the very first PC of MGS). QQ more Biffy.

@Monchichi025
Did you even play the game? If you'd played the game you'd realize that the only, OMG long......(QQ) cutscenese are after you've beaten the game. Other than that you may also SKIP the cutscenes!!! (say what?????? no way!!!) Yeah, that's right you DON'T HAVE TO WATCH THEM. Now STFU and be on your way.

MGS4 -- game of the year hands down. Will it get it? No. Why? Because it's a game for MGS Series FANS not newbies. But even newbies can appreciate this unmatchable game.

[sunnygrg]

Cliff Bleszinski, lead game designer of Gears of War 2, should cite Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic cannot make.

[morganfell]

No last lachance, that just shows how little you know about Kojima.

http://www.gamepro.com/news...

" I'm a fan of Gears of War as well, it's very interesting."

Now go crawl under a rock and never come here again.

@super below, it doesn't change the meaning at all.

[Superfragilistic]

He wasn't dissing MGS4 at all he was merely answering an IGN question regarding the story and used it's storytelling methods as a contrast to what will be seen in Gears 2 - essentially implying more interactive storytelling/scenes rather than the "passive" MGS4 cutscenes for players to watch.

You can read the full interview/hands on @ IGN here http://au.xbox360.ign.com/a...

I've reprinted the quote in it's proper context. Something which Ripten obviously realised wouldn't have garnered as many hits for such a nothing story! lol

IGN: "What lessons did you learn from the first game?"

Cliffy B: "We wanted a blockbuster pace, and in doing so, we lost the story a bit. So that's one of the lessons we learned. This time round there's more repetition. Games aren't movies and aren't consumed in a single sitting. So secondary characters will remind you about stuff, which is re-established in plot cues. Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we're not doing. Passive entertainment is on its way out – you need to hook up with this web 2.0 stuff."

[cmrbe]

that is what i think as well. People should really hold back a bit. I really doubt Cliff would diss Kojima. It dosen't sound like him. I read it as well and its obvious that he is just saying that they doing something different from MGS4 nothing more nothing less. In saying it he should be careful with his words though. Internet nowdays can take two words you say and take it completely out of context.

[zapass]

bubble++ Wildarmsjecht

[Liquid Dust]

-1.3 million gamers on MGS4's release didnt think so, even though many had somewhat of an idea how long the cutscenes were

-Over 70 game sites/magazines don't think so

-And the next million gamers who show up on day one to buy the next metal gear won't think so either

-Not passive, STEALTH ACTION with beautiful and captivating cutscenes necessary to the story.

-It is what it is, Metal Gear

I am thankful for: a game that actually has a great story, Naomi Hunter, mustaches, and Hideo Kojima

David Hayter for president

[Monchichi025]

Yes, I did play the game and as CLEARLY stated above, it's personally not my type of game. You tell me to skip the cutscenes??? You do realize that a person would be totally lost and not get the full story if one did. So you are kinda forced to watch them. and your in deniel if you say they ain't long. They are!!! So why don't you STFU!

[NewShadow101]

MGS4 is great. ive only played the first two levels and its really good... but just because Cliffy B is making a great game for the xbox doesnt mean you should Bagg on him. Gears is a great game, to me alot funner than anything else out there. MGS has a good story like always but after you beat it then what? online? lol. gears has a much funner online experience. Just like kojima made a masterpiece, Cliffy B also has one and is making another. DONT HATE ON CLIFFY B!!!

[NO_PUDding]

Thats such a bad point. Scratch that, it's a non-existant point.

If you don't like the story, why are you watching the cutscenes? Make your mind up. Just skip them, and what the pretty levels go by, like you do in average games like Gears. The truth is there isn't a valid critisism of the cutscenes.

You are just so ignorant it's untrue. And a dumbwit, but that titles goes to anyone who can't make a game any more depthy than an 11" Chainsaw. Or soemone who buys that game.

[Millah]

Cliffy B is sort of a toolbag. Does anyone remember how this dude looked before he became this "hip and trendy" game designer celebrity figure? Guy was a total weirdo. Now hes the poster child for 360 cuz hes "so cool :p"

I mean I love Epic Games, but just because they can't make a good narrative if their life depended on it, doesn't mean they should be talkin crap about games that can.

[Light Yagami]

Cliffy's just jealous. Remind me to write his name on my notebook.

[MikeGdaGod]

MGS4 had 20 years of story to tie up.

i don't even remember Gears story. just shoot the monsters, THEY"LL KILL US ALL!!!...............that's about it.

i enjoyed Gears, it was one of the few games on the 360 that i really really liked. but i'd take MGS4 over Gears 100x's. i hope the new Gears is good and i'll play it, but if Cliffy thinks his games are in the same league with MGS4 he's delusional.

[Dark Collosis]

Gotta love people who take words out of context and spin them up they way they so shall please to.. This is nothing more than flame bait, but even with that said i would much rather play Gears than Metal gear. But thats because i am a action buff.. MGS4 is much more of a game you have to set some time aside to play. While Gears is a pick up game and ACTION right away in your face. Nothing wrong with either game its all in what you prefer. I am of course a gears of war type player while i know a few people who like metal gear so to each his own..... And to say MGS4 is better then GeOW and vice versa is just ignorant fanboy talk. Oh btw it is a FACT that MGS4 is a SLOW paced STORY DRIVEN gameplay.. While GeOW is in FACT a FAST paced ACTION DRIVEN gameplay.... THIS IS A FACT FANBOYS... Comparing the two gameplays is like comparing a Ferrari to a Rolls-Royce....

[littletad]

Both games are different and a breath of fresh air for whatever gaming taste your craving at the moment.

[xhairs]

They aren't long. And the story is MUCH, MUCH longer than just MGS4. Simply playing MGS4 you are CLUELESS to the background information that was built up from the ground in the beginning of the series, so don't give me that crap that "skipping the cutscene leaves you clueless" because quite frankly, unless you've played the whole series prior to MGS4, you are, in fact, quite clueless to begin with.

Second, I do believe that my bowl of STFU soup got cold, and if you weren't starving for it, I might have just asked for yours.

[Madgunner]

haha i completely agree with you... u can skip these cut scenes and if long stories arent ur cup of tee well them skip them.... and if u feel like u missed an important fact about what u need to do.. heres a hint.. call otacon and in less than 15 seconds hes sums up where u need to go... OR look at the map.. the next OBJ is MARKED on your map... then u can proceed to your game... .. but honestly Xhairs summed it up better than i did i think... Cheers and bubbles Xhairs

[LJWooly]

I actually sort of liked CliffyB before he started talking crap, then he went downhill. Everyone's cool, until they open their mouth, only for an ungodly amount of crap to come out.

I hate when they do this. I don't see the point on ripping a game that is not only far, far better than anything Epic could even dream of creating, but is guaranteed to remain that way, Gears of War 2 is obviously not going to change that, let's not kid ourselves here.

[thesummerofgeorge]

I agree with Wildarms.... It's fine for him to say they're making a different game but they clearly took a shot by saying passive games are on their way out. It's not all that passive first off, you do interact at times during cutscenes but I would have been disappointed if they made the scenes short "press the corresponding button" kind of thing just to appease those who are too impatient to enjoy great storytelling. I'm glad Kojima is dedicated enough to his craft cause too many games/movies are cookie cutter archetypes designed for the impatient and full of mindless action. Not to say gears will be the latter, too early to tell.

[deeznuts]

"Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we’re not doing"

That part is ok. Nothing wrong with saying that.

"Passive entertainment is on its way out – you need to hook up with this web 2.0 stuff."

That part is a dig. No doubt about it. There is nothing taken out of context, he just said the Game, nay the masterpiece Kojima made is on it's way out. Essentially telling everyone (possibly including Kojima himself) they/he needs to hook up with this web 2.0 stuff.

Essentially that his game is web 2.0, Kojimas masterpiece is 1.0. That's out of context? NO!

[permutated]

How are 90 minute cut scenes NOT passive?

[morganfell]

Cliff Blahzinsky could learn quite a few things from Kojima. Monoichi or whatever the hell his name is above should consider that.

First off the bat is cutscene placement. Yes there are great cutscenes in MGS4 that you can skip. You can also save the game right after cutscenes. Can you do that in Gears. Hell no. Save points are before cutscenes. And why? Because Cliffy decided people need to watch cutscenes when coming back to a game or when dying. Even if the story line was 2nd grade simple. Apparently Cliffy thinks his fans are idiots that need to be refreshed even on simple matters. MGS4 fans fart in your general direction Cliffy.

There was nothing worse in Gears than some of the cutscenes that you could not skip. They were always right before a point in the game where you died..a lot. And then the player was forced to go back and repeat that same idiotic unskippable cutscene a bazillion times.

Or just as bad, you would have to travel a long distance and then see a short cutscene then die only to repeat it all over again. Remember when you first meet the Theron Guards at the pumping station? Sheer bad design with placing checkpoints.

[juuken]

Personally, I call them action figures, because that's what they look like to me. Action figures in big burly suits of armor. I'm surprised none of them fell over yet with all of that armor.

"cites Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic doesn’t want to make."

It sounds like he's dissing MGS4 to me. What the hell does he mean by *passive*?

And Fallen Angel, if CliffyB (what a stupid name, lol) wasn't saying anything bad about MGS4, then why did he specifically site this game? What the hell did he mean by it being *passive*? It sounds like an insult.

This quote here sounds even more of an insult to me.

"“Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we’re not doing. Passive entertainment is on its way out.”"

You explain to me what he meant by that.

[CrazzyMan]

because THAT is FAST entertainment, lol.

p.s. yeah, stealth - passive, sure. =))

[MADGameR]

Cliffy B is a loser...just like MS. MS= fail just like their products. If MS had HALF a brain and made Halo 1 on X Box 360 with just better graphics and more maps, made it X Box Live compatible and had a MORE relable console, THEN I would buy it. But not crappy Halo 3.

[juuken]

Nice going Fallen_Angel. You have been reported, for that offensive comment. If MGS4 is trash, then Gears of War 1 and Gears of War 2 are the biggest piles of trash I have ever seen. I'm sure trash like MGS4 wouldn't have gotten so many 10's and 5's. I'm sure that trash like MGS4 wouldn't be praised as being one of the best games of all time.

Lol, of course you would say that Lee. It seems that 360 owners would even follow MS off a cliff these days. The man clearly insulted the game-no ifs, ands, or BUTS.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

I can't believe all these people just attacking Cliffy for this comment. All the MGS4 and PS3 fanboys coming to the rescue. Fact is that all Cliffy is saying is that these are not the kind of games Epic makes as they are focusing more on "action" (or should I say more gameplay).

Let's face it, MGS4 is a great game and cinematics are awesome, but man the cutscenes are long. This game is certainly one of the most passive games I played.

Cliffy's statement is pretty accurate to me.

[PoSTedUP]

yeah jukkens right, if mgs4 is a bad game then so is gears1&2, halo1,2&3, uncharted, hevenly sword, mass effect, bioshock, gta1,2,3&4, basically every game ever made is bad according to you. and im sure you heard mgs4's cut scenes are pretty exciting and amazing, so like why make your self look dumb? i dont get people these days, you sound like your under age to buy a T rated game. (T for teen)

[Mr Fancy Pants]

He just said that MGS it's the kind of game that Epic doesn't want to make. What is the problem with that? It is just his opinion...

[sunnygrg]

You call that art.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

"It seems associating with xbox brand make people DUMB,first that peter moore,then shane kim and greenberg,then Itagaki and now cliffy B.Take this friendly advice seriously and Avoid xbox and anything related to it by all means!"

Wow! We should definetly listen to you with such an intelligent conclusion from your observation.... [/sarcasm]

[xhairs]

For those of you complaining about the cutscenes I have some questions for you. First off how would you tell the story? Would you just tell it while you're stealthing around? Probably not, why? Because it's a long series of games that started years (not year or months or days or even within the first hour of MGS4, years) ago. You can't exactly jam pack those first 3 games (and more if you consider them) into the game WHILE you're playing it.

Second, if people have trouble understanding the story line now, how will they ever understand it while trying to sneak past a guard without being seen? They wont, plain and simple.

Third, what good is the story line if it's not to be told in its entirety? It's not, because then you have a simple FPS game. Lets face it, the story line in an FPS is told to you in the first objective, from there on out you just kill people to reach your destination (with the exception of the sniping stage in CoD4).

Would you all like it better if you just ran through the game as they told you briefings? What about the whole story that started over 20 years ago? I mean it makes total sense to me to just complete an objective and move along just like in call of duty 4 right? Wrong. This isn't an FPS game, it's an action - stealth - game. Hence it's supposed to be slow, it's patience that allows you to beat the game not your weapons. Trust me, if you've beaten the game and gone to extreme boss mode you'll find that out within the first act.

@Fallen Angel
I know you're not cliffyB but you're trying to protect him by saying he didn't say anything (when in fact he didn't state it but he did say it subtly (meaning of subtly -- not clearly known)). That's the problem is you're a hypocrite and that's what I was getting across to you. How can you protect him while stating the game is bad because of cut scenes being so long -- not to mention I told you that you can skip them and call otacon to figure out what to do/where to go. So why watch them? If you don't like them, why did you play it? Obviously you would have had to have some background to pick this game up correct? So you obviously knew based off of the past 3 games he put out that the story is the main part of the game. If you couldn't pick that up, then I say good day sir. You have no point commenting on the game if you cannot figure these things out yourself.

[ChrisGTR1]

you know, if metal gear 4 wasnt called metal gear 4. and it was just some random game called sneaking boss or something all of you would of agreed. the cutscenes in the game are monumentally long. especially the one at the end of the game and the one at the end of chapter 3. i literally was like OMG end already! on my first playthrough.
in a game that takes 20 hours to beat and 10 of them are cutscenes... i would defenetly consider that passive.

[Domenikos]

You not even played MGS right...?

Are you trying to get some attention for your game?

What if Kojima says: GeoW is "dumb entertaiment (kill everything blocking the path)"

[vickers500]

Gears of War gameplay > Metal Gear Solid 1-4 gameplay

[DG]

Clif has a point...I have never played an MGS game more than once. I havent played MGS4 so I cant say anything about it but its safe to assume its like the others. Both are and will be great games. Just enjoy them and stop sucking corporate diq you waste of a brain fanboys.

[Domenikos]

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[morganfell]

@lachance,

I don't either. His comments were carried by plenty of publications. And from what I have seen you spend all day attacking Kojima and anyone else that happens to like the PS3 and any thing even remotely pro PS3.

And if you did something besides complain and attack the PS3 you would see that N4G carried the article I referenced.

http://www.n4g.com/News-203...

Game, set, match.

Metal Gear fans > vickers500.

Snake > Marcus Fenix who never saw Snake coming.

[permutated]

I love MGS, but 90 minute cut scenes ARE passive, you watch them you don't interact.

It's still art, and it's still an amazing game, but a huge chunk of it is PASSIVE. Cliffy is right.

[Tomdc]

why are there so many stupid people in the world?

[ChampIDC]

Fanboy colors sure show when somebody doesn't want to make the same type of game that you absolutely adore and would die for. All he said is his opinion, that cutscenes are less welcomed these days. He's saying that most people want to see stuff in-game, which is true for a lot of gamers. I can't see how you people think he's dissing MGS4. All he said is he doesn't want to make a cutscene-driven game. You Playstation fanboys are far too sensitive about your precious MGS4 to look at what he actually said. Chill out, please. Just because the idiot that did this article put it way out of context, you just have to go and flip out without looking further into the real interview.

[SPECTRUX]

i like epic's games but to be honest, unreal tournament had the WORST (by far) story and single player mode ive ever seen. not to tsay the action wasnt good. but it was just a bunch of instant action with bots tied together with a lousy generic plot

[INehalemEXI]

Hideo > Cliffy, no contest. MGS > Gears no contest. The story told through cut scenes in MGS4 was better then most "Blockbuster movies" and it did not take away from any gameplay. MGO also is great and takes up many hrs of my time currently.

[THE_JUDGE]

everyone knows you couldn't pull off anything close to MGS if you have 1 billion dollars and 10 years to spend on it.

[Condoleezza Rice]

Metal Gear Solid has an Amazing Story;A Story that has captivated Millions of gamers and tugged at each ones Emotions for years and years.

Gears of War?After I finished it,I literally wondered out loud if they had even hired Writers.

[The_Firestarter]

Tell me about it; I just love those one liners in GeoW...

The game was fun, but the story was anything but engaging or interesting...

[Veryangryxbot]

Reality: this is the kind of game you dont even know how to make.

Cliffy, you talk a lot of shiat. Is that jealousy I sense? Metacritic MGS4 = 9.6

Magazines called it GAME OF THE CENTURY.

This boy needs to sing a tone lower. You havent really accomplished anything here cliffy. Youre a noob compared to Kojima. The fame is clearly getting to your head.

[pimpstation]

They just ain't got tha skillz to make this type of game. Just stick with dumbed down PC shooters on xbox, boys.

[Millah]

They are just different developers. Its not that he doesn't want to make a game like MGS4, because I'm pretty sure every single game developer on the planet wishes they could develop a game as polished as MGS4, Epic just does not have the capability to make a game design that well. Look at all their games, none of them have the polish that comes close to some of the greatest games ever. Sure they have good graphics, big whoop, that doesn't mean its polished or have an excellent presentation. Their specialty is mindless shooters, and they will never be able to make anything else. They make games with fun gameplay, but nothing that breaks grounds or drops jaws.

Cliffs just very arrogant and has a biiiig mouth, mostly because the American journalists gas his ego up even more than it needs to. I swear, G4 especially always has Cliffy B nuts shoved down their throats. This guy is clearly letting his 15 minutes get to his head, he should show respect to the legends who built the ground for young clowns like him to tread on.

Oh yea Cliff, how were UT3 sales again?? Yea exactly, Passive entertainment is on its way out I guess huh? Lawl, Gears of War will be the last successful franchise for these guys, that is after they milk it completely dry.

[rogimusprime]

if you consider passive gaming to be anything where the writers spent more than an hour on the story and dialgouge.

Metal Gear is a story that took over 20 years to tell and 4 generations of hardware.

Show some respect you little twerp.

[Bad_Karma]

In a recent interview with IGN, CliffyB was quoted in saying the following:

“Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we’re not doing. Passive entertainment is on its way out.”

ROUGHLY TRANSLATED :-

" Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we`re not able to do. It`s just beyond us"

[Super-Brad]

'Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic doesn't want to make' or maybe they just can't make.
I'm not a hater of the GOW franchise but I would much prefer a stealth logic game over a mindless killing game any day.
If GOW2 could compare to MGO with online diffinantly with SOP I would be impressed to play or keep a impressive storyline then yes.

[LaChance]

thats your opinion.
I like both games.
Anyway I give you rendez vous at the end of the year to see which game the planet prefers: Geow 2 or MGS4.

MGS4 at 1 million already in one week , good performance.

Lets see which game the gamers choose.

BTW , wow pretty surprised cliffy said THAT !

To me that was a tiny bit disrespectful but hey thats his opinion.It wasnt really rude or anything.

edit : hmmmm werent you the same guys hyped up for Geow 3 on PS3 ?
Wow , funny how in 10 minutes Geow is all of a sudden a crappy game.

btw , gears aint never coming to PS3.

[xhairs]

That 1 million is strictly Europe. There's more countries in the world than just Europe so expect more.

2nd, MGS4 was created as a game for MGS Fans. Not for people new to the franchise (as stated by Kojima himself). Therefor newer people may not be as interested as MGS devoted fans are and will probably want to play a game such as GeoW. If anyone has ever played the first 3, who would be saying any different than, MGS4 IS Game of the Year.

3rd, it is disrespectful because like IGN stated -- It came from nowhere (meaning they weren't even talking about MGS4). Also because he made an incredibly stupid claim, "Passive gaming is on its way out". Incorrect, what is the Wii, and why does it lead all consoles to date by a very very large margin for $500 please Alex.

[KingME]

Can ANYONE make a non-favorable comment about a Sony related game, or console, or periphal without you guys attacking them. You dudes are like voltures. You will praise a person one day and attack the next. I remember when UT3 first came out, because it wasn't out on the 360 yet you PS3 fans praised it, and talked about how great it was.

Now CB makes an unclear comment about MSG4 and suddenly he sucks, UT3 sucks, etc. Where does it end. I'm not even sure if what he said was even a negative comment, making this type of game is not his style, okay that's not a bad thing, that's his preference. The game is passive, well to be honest, shouldn't a "tactical espionage" game be passive. Is splinter cell passive?

So, what';s all the fuss about? You folks are so difficult to understand. And you're so frickin spoiled. Totally frustrating.

@Bill Gates (Below)
Please take the time to read your comments, then imagine someone that is a 360 fan making a similar comment about MSG4. (Take your comment and reverse the names, put gears where you put MSG4 and vice versa, put cliffy B where you put Hideo Kojima.) Now, would you take that person seriously. Thank you, so why should anyone take you seriously, you are WAY too blinded by your love for the Sony Kool-Aid.

All you're doing is speaking from anger and frustration which is kinda of strange all in itself considering you mean nothing to any of the parties that you are defending.

[Twizlex]

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure how to take this. It could have just been an off-the-cuff comment that he didn't really think about, or maybe he totally meant it as a jab at MGS. It's interesting either way.

[jwatt]

I wouldn't want gears to be like MGS4 anyways, I couldn't imagine 20 minute cutscenes for gears unless the cut scenes were very interesting.

[BilI Gates]

Hideo Kojima is a genius. Cliffy B is just an idiot that thinks his games are actually good. MGS4 outscored Gears of War and it will outscore Gears of War 2 as well. Epic will never have the talent to make a game like MGS anyway lol. It's not that they don't "want to" make a game like that, it's that they can't. They've got zero creativity.

[zethos56]

They're equal

Gears = 94 http://www.metacritic.com/g...

MGS4 = 94 http://www.metacritic.com/g...

MGS 4 WOULD be higher but there were several 80's that brought the score down.

[BilI Gates]

When they add THESE reviews...

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...
http://www.n4g.com/industry...
http://www.n4g.com/industry...

...It will be at 95 or higher, and higher than Gears of War. And the only idiots that reviewed MGS4 with an 8 are the morons that never played the previous games in the series and found the story to be confusing. Not to mention Microsoft paid for most of those 8's, just like they pay for good reviews.

[zethos56]

Does everyone think that MS pays for good reviews/bad reviews. Ever think that there might be people who DON'T like MGS4?

[BilI Gates]

Nope. If you've seen their complaints you'd know they're biased.

"Cut-scenes are too long"? If you're not a MGS fan, don't review the game.
"Story's too confusing"? Again, if you're not a MGS fan, don't review the game.

[zethos56]

If you had nothing but that game series fans reviewing a game then many sequels would recieve extremely high scores that they don't deserve. It would be like having nothing but Halo fans reviewing Halo 3 and giving it 10s across the board.

Though instead of giving it an 8 they could have said something like "only MGS fans should play this."

[NO_PUDding]

Zethos that actually happened for Halo you idiot...

So why not for MGS4? GameDaily and Eurogamer didn't have good reasons, I even emailed Chris Buffa, and he put it down to taste. You can't review a game on taste, you review it on it's good and bad points. His bad points were that the glass doesn't break properly.

[NewShadow101]

All of you are talkin like its impossible for MGS4 to get anything below a 9... its not a fact, its not written in stone! when it gets an 8 that means it got a %*#@$*% 8!!!...... MGS4 was an amazing game though.

[zethos56]

I just noticed that Halo 3 had over 10 100% reviews.

But the point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't always have fans reviewing games. You need reviews that would reflect the opinion of some average guy who picks up a game because it looks cool. I think if a game is getting 10s everywhere it should appeal to everyone, not just it's fanbase.

[NO_PUDding]

Yes NewShadow it was an amazign game, and thye are different games, but there's no need for one developer to disrespect the other. The term passive gaming is an underhanded insult.

And MGS4 did NOT deserve under a 9. If you disagree, you haven't played it. The variation of missions and the endless possibilities make this game superb.

[pumpkinpunker]

kojima is not a genius. last mgs I played was MGS2 and it was crap. one of the worst games I ever played. I refuse to play another mgs game after mgs2.

check out this link: http://www.gamevideos.com/v...

you think a genius wrote this stuff? more like forrest gump or a 13 year old shut-in who read too many philp k d*ck novels and thinks he's teh hotness. i'm sorry. I'm calling an spade a spade.

[Common Sense]

that pride goes before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall.

[Testo]

I didn't see what was so embarrassing about half of those videos.

Does it hurt you to watch those videos?

If you can't deal with that type of thing I think it shows your age.

Lets all giggle and laugh as Snake grabs the statues crotch.

[Meus Renaissance]

It's a sad day when a developer can criticise Metal Gear Solid 4 in terms of entertainment value. Question is, who will the world remember more? Cliff Bleszinski? Or Hideo Kojima?

YOU RIKE IT? HUH, YOU RIKE THAT CLIFFY?!

[meepmoopmeep]

i think cliffy b took it personally when he saw that kojima had a snake grabbing balls animation in the game. he thought kojima was cutting into his homosexuality grass.

lol, but seriously, they're completely different genres. kinda odd that he would be relating them with each other.

[THE_JUDGE]

until "Cliffy" (the lamest name btw, are you 8 years old still?) has 25 years under his belt with platinum game after platinum game, he should maybe keep his words to just praise.

[Johnny Cullen]

I rike Cliffy B. He's sounds cool and his chainsaw enterence at GDC was epic (No pun intended) and I riked Gears of War, 'twas awesome. What I dont rike is him coming out saying MGS is passive entertainment concsidering that MGS4 is one of the best games of all time while GOW, as good as it was, isn't.

So, who'd would be the most popular? Hideo Kojima or Cliffy B? I'd know who I'd rike.

[meepmoopmeep]

let it alone guys... it's an MS dev thing.. they always act/talk like this.

ah well, gears 2 this nov.

[LastDance]

Too much brain work for cliffy. he could only wish to make a game half as good as MGS4. I have so much hate for idiots like this guy. God forbid we have to use our brain for once.

Whats he's idea of Crazy entertainment. Weak storyline and repetitive gunplay?

I couldnt even play through gears with my cousin for more then an hour bfore putting halo back in.

[LastDance]

It's good to see microsoft pulling in all the people that think and act just like them.

[clintos59]

But I think cliffy b is just trying to stear the hype up back for gears 2 since MGS4 has just shot down every hype for every game coming out this year, with scores of 10 and praises of it not only being the best game this next gen but also saying that it is one of the greatest games of all time and also setting the bar as a whole package in one game, which is going to be hard to top for any game. Maybe not graphically but everything in one package as a whole game, MGS4 is going to be very hard to surpass. I think cliffy b wasnt really dissing on MGS4, but more likely trying to hype gears 2 and clearly its obvious they aint trying to make a game like MGS4 because they couldnt never make a story as deep as MGS4's story can be unless they found a proffessional writer to write the story for gears which I doubt it. All I know is gears 2 will shine from graphics and crazy gameplay, but thats about it. First gears story was mediocre and short. So I dont expect much this time around from the story, but the gameplay looks bad a$$ as ever.

[jwatt]

I thought it was totally unnecessary because Geow2 release date is so far away from MGS4 that it shouldn't have an effect on Gears.

[shotputking]

this american will regret the day he talked down about a game on our system...

[Jihaad_cpt]

made me laugh really hard. I agree lets put a jihad on Clifford, MGS4 is a brilliant game and it's completely dumb to comment on what is on the way out since MGS solid a truck load...

[chavafx]

mgs4 is not a game ill play more then twice only a super phatetic fan boy i mean is like a movie more then a game is super cool waching it but after you know the story/movie is not fun any more

[zethos56]

Learn how to spell

[Shaka2K6]

MGOTYS4 will be remenber 100 years from now,
gears of cartoon 1.5 will be forgotten next year LMAO!

[morganfell]

Ignorant isn't he? Don't worry. It isn't a game he even played once.

[steck67]

You are "phatetic".

[Old Snake]

Cleary you have never even played it so Stfu. MGS has a ton of replayability. Way more thans Gears, if were leaving out online. What did Gears have to replay? COGS? Ya MGS has way more sh!t than that. This guy is a f#cking twat

[bosels11]

well you can go over to the WII when the XBox 360 is discontinued by the end of next year. And believe me its end is coming -MS has and will always make inferior garbage that doesnt last and sucker morons like you into buying their products. I will just laugh at you and state the fact that the cheaper XBOX as it has been for a while now, will continue to lose worldwide in sales to the PS3 like ......... FOREVER!!!!

[joevfx]

MGS4 is how every game should be. i dont mean in gameplay, but in attention to detail and engrossing story. this game is as close to being in and playing a movie as it gets. honestlt gears of war is cool but its just liek every other shooter out there

[Crazyglues]

How dare you call our game "Passive Entertainment" HOW DARE YOU!!!

.....LoL

It's cool I don't really care what Cliffy B thinks, I Loved MGS4.

[sunnygrg]

Chavafx writes:
"Get mad or whatever, but is true.
MGS4 is not a game. I will ("not" is what he probably means) play more than twice, only a super pathetic fanboy, I mean it is like a movie more (than a game). It is super cool to watch but after you know the story/movie, it is not fun anymore."

I say:
LMAO, disagreed.
MGS4 is a art. Even the great Da Vinci of Gaming(whoever the hell he is) will drool playing this game.

BTW, get an English course, and thank me for correcting your stupid writing.

[CyberSentinel]

They like staring at a loading screen for 20 mins while a game installs, before they play their games.

Lemmings like waiting months for their consoles version of a 3rd party game to be converted. (NG:sigma, Eternal Sonata, Bioshock etc.)

Lemmings would rather watch a movie, then play a video game. This is why they love Movie Gear Solid 4.

Lemming like to "Wait B3yond" this gen, for next gen games and features.

Lemmings are "passive" (slow) gamers, this is why they don't like FPS, because they are NOT real gamers.

http://www.escapistmagazine...

[Azures]

Getting insulted by a guy named CliffyB is like having a kid call you a stupid head.

[kingme71]

Lol. That was witty.

I think he requested people call him Clifford from now on.

[Nineball2112]

Haha... I'm still laughing at the "stupid head" reference.

[Booourns]

*Grabs Popcorn*

Can't wait for the fireworks!!!

[Pp p]

True once is enouph for me i would not want to play it twice

[pwnsause]

Traumatized much since NG2 got spanked by MGS4?

[Sez]

i know what you mean. once i watch a movie. i rarely watch it again for the second time.

[NO_PUDding]

I know what he means too, but I only just bought the Lead Ball Rifle (3rd Playthrough), and MGS4 certainly isn't a movie, and certainly doesn't rely on the story to make it awesome.

I only have 600,000DP now, cus I had 1 milliona nd bought the rifle in the war recession so it was half price.

I still want that Solar gun, and the Bandana and the Stealth CAmo, so I can get the Big Boss FaceCamo.

[Surfman]

you never played loser, and MGS4 have the best replay-solo of all time.

[Sez]

dude i've played MGS since nintendo. both metal gear and snake revenge and so on. the only game i've not played is the one on psp. so i doubt i'm missing much. and the only loser is you and your comment.

[Mr Fancy Pants]

look how pathetic fanboys are... trying to lie that they played MGS4 to have the privilege to criticize. WOW -_-

the fanboys of this site are so loooowwww.

[DJ]

It's definitely not wise for Cliffy to badmouth the game. Maybe the sales of Gears 1 got to his head?

[steck67]

Gears is an awesome game and im sure Gears 2 will be awesome as well, but what is Cliffy talking about? IMO Gears 2 doesnt really look to have anyting special besides the chainsaw fights, while MGS4 showed true next gen power. Is Cliffy afraid?

[aiphanes]

Resistance 2 is more of an epic game...it will be 50 gigs and it will be all out. Have you guys seen the new videos today? And they are actually from December 2007...Ciffy B only wishes he could do 60 players online and 8 way online co-op..

but MGS4 is killer and kills any game up to now...

[dragonZ28]

Lol, that's funny right there. Nobody knows, but I bet Gears 2 gets better reviews and sales. Time will tell. Just remember, the game ain't out yet and to KNOW one will be better shows your inner-fanboy.

RFOM better than Gears???? You can't be serious.

[THE_JUDGE]

out before that declaration. I think they will both be good and R2 definitely has what it takes to dethrone gow2 but sales wise gow has the past history of winning, but then again, sales aren't everything.

[1stKnighT]

Resistance? Keep that trash out of this article. We're talking about 2 real big hitters, Gears and MGS.

[steck67]

And you know R2 is better than Gears 2, how?

[Sangria]

Trolling seems to be a fashion in next gen era. I guess mister Bleszinski only has to insult others' creations to feel that his ones are good. Yes, Gears Of War is good, but it will never be a masterpiece like Metal Gear Solid series.

Please continue to develop your no-brain game, mister Bleszinski, but never think it will be able to peg MGS, even in a matter of entertainment.

[dragonZ28]

GOW is a better game than MGS4 because GOW is a videogame. MGS4 is a movie cleverly put inside a PS3 game case that Kojima N*Tswingers worship as a videogame. MGS4 is literally 80% cutscenes, I kid you not, I beat the movie 2nd time through in under 3 hrs (actual playtime).

Go ahead and flame, but for what it's worth, Iron Man was 10X better movie than MGS4 - and it made sense.

[Solid_Snake]

Gears is a videogame only to Americans mainly. Or haven't you heard? Japan, Europe, and the rest of the world aren't too crazy about FPS's like Gears, Resistance, etc. Stop trashing Resistance; most of you have never played it. Gears isn't on another level; if you remember, most reviews have put MGS as the "first true next-gen game"; Gears isn't at the same level of MGS. And all of the pictures and videos of Gears 2 isn't all that much of an improvement of the first. Cliff should just shut up and worry about making a good FPS. There is no reason to compare games that are totally different from different genres, especially when most reviews claim MGS4 as a masterpiece. Cliffy should just worry about his limitations on a dvd.

[Statix]

It has a lot of cinemas, that's for sure; but you can skip all of them. The total amount of actual gameplay time without the cinemas is around the same as Gears.

[Superfragilistic]

I'm sorry but everytime someone says they hate the cutscenes in MGS the standard reply is you can skip them. Metal Gear without the cutscenes is like a hamburger without the meat! There's no bloody point without it!

You either dig the cutscenes and love MGS, or despise the cutscenes and hate MGS! Simple. Each to their own. But can we stop pretending that having skippable cut scenes is a legitimate way to defend them, because the value of MGS ceases to exist without them!

[iceice123]

I like my games to actually have, you know, gameplay. MGS4 was lacking in that, considering the game was half cutscenes. Gears is all about the top notch gameplay, something MGS4 failed to deliver on. MGS4 is great if you're looking for a 60$ movie, if you're looking for great gameplay you come to Gears of War.

[Peekay]

are you speaking about length of game play? It took me about 17 hours to finish MGS4, i reckon four of that 17 was totally devoted to cut scenes. So that would make it 13 - 12 hours max game play wise. We know Gears wasn't that long - in fact in the 10-9 hour range.

[iHEARTboobs]

you actually played MGS4? If you did and didn't like the cutscenes why not skip them if they were too long for you? I, as did the majority of reviewers, thought the gamplay was great.

[chavafx]

mgs4 is more like a movie then a game after you pass the game/movie
is no fun any more at all . and yes i beat it twice and 2nd time makeme wonder why 10s every where?? and the cutcines look amazing but when playing not so much? so i dont know but grafix is not the inpresive when playing the game cut cines are amazing like i sed

[iHEARTboobs]

As i'm sure you're aware of, people have opinions. The majority of people reviewing the game don't agree with you. I doubt you played the game but i could be wrong. But if you didn't like it then that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But to say it doesn't have much replay value is silly because of the different ways you can play it.

[nycredude]

Are you serious?! you make a statement that it is no fun after you're done and then proceed to contradict yourself by say you beat it two times!!

Am I missing something here? I usually don't finish a game I don't find fun, let alone beat it two times.

For those who think MGS4 is all movie and no gameplay, I agree that there are alot of cutscenes (little over 8 hours in all). However I beat the game and it took me exactly 26 hours and 34 minutes. I have been playing MGO for a couple of days and now I am on my second play through the hardest level.

What do you me there is mo gameplay or replay value? This game is the best bang for your buck in a while and I have the limited edition!

Lastly, is it me all the developers for Microsoft have a habit of talking trash about other developers or games? Valve, Ninja Gaiden Creator, and now this!

[DJtyler]

I see no reason for this insult but jealousy.

[iceice123]

To explain how that is true? Gears is about gameplay, MGS4 was about cinematics. He doesn't want his games to be mostly cinematics like MGS4. How did you get jealousy out of that? Oh yeah, fanboy delusions, I forgot.

@ Below: Wow at the irony of your comment, amazing.

[DJtyler]

I think Metal Gear Solid and Gears of War are great games. To go out of your way to insult the competition is childish. Make the best damn game you can and Shut up. PERIOD.

[angel604]

care to explain what was so great about the gameplay of gears, i guess ill break it down for you since i like gears, here we go...run, cover, shoot, cover, chainsaw, cover, shoot, done with game...yeah great gameplay..it only had what 4 hours worth people still liked it, the story was trash in gears

metal gear you can have variety, guns blazing or stealth, kill everyone or knock everyone out, if you dont like metal gear thats your opinion every fan knows what there getting into and story centric emotional roller coaster with gameplay to match..if your gonna bash mgs learn what your talking about

and all those people saying that they beat it in under two hours..well i call bs, and you can pretty much beat most games in that time if you rush to prove a point

[GameDev]

that the gameplay of the "movie" game , runs circles around the "game" game.....pathetic fanboys always make me laugh.

[deeznuts]

I expect damage control shortly from CliffyB.

[Azures]

Once again proving how immature this industry is getting.

[Figboy]

especially when Kojima has nothing but praise for Gears of War.

he's been quoted numerous times saying that he and his team REALLY loved Gears of War, and enjoyed the cover-based system, and over the shoulder camera, as it wasn't motion-sickness inducing first person. as you no down know, the over the shoulder camera is in Metal Gear Solid 4.

Cliffy is a wannabe rockstar, but sadly, is still just a gaming geek, no matter how big, better, and "more bad@ss" his games may be.

considering that Hideo Kojima is one of the pioneers of the gaming industry, with each title he releases practically redefining the genre the title is in, i think "Cliffy" could be a little more respectful.

and MGS "passive?" lol. maybe the older ones, but this new one is a hybrid of gaming and cinema like i've never, in my 28 years on the planet experienced before.

what Cliff should be concerning himself with is something i like to call "Unreal Engine burnout." which is when a game engine is used in SO MANY games that it becomes, well, BORING, and not as interesting and exciting as it was when we first encountered it (see the Doom 3 engine, and Unreal Engine 3 for examples of this). he's the epitome of a c0cky, arrogant, American developer douchebag (and i'm American, by the way). "humble" and "modesty" clearly isn't in his repetoire of social responses...

[kazuma]

clap clap clap

well said! bubbles to you

[steck67]

You speak the truth, like always. Have a bubble :)

[Figboy]

i'm not a Gears fan, but there's no denying that it's a great game, but insulting Metal Gear Solid 4, a game that is, for the most part, garnering universal praise, is silly, and done just to stir up the pot.

even before this statement, i've always thought Cliffy B. was a douchebag. he just reeks of overall douchebaggery in every interview i've read and seen.

he just smells like PR and hype, and i hate PR and hype, no matter WHAT the company or developer (ie, Nintendo, Sony, and MS).

over my many years of gaming, i've fallen for enough hype myself to disregard ANYTHING anyone who works on a game has to say, until i can get my hands on time with it.

if i'm interested in the game from a synopsis, feature list, story, screenshots, or videos, that's enough for me. i don't need a developer, programmer, director, etc to tell me "buy my game because it's doing things nobody has EVER done in a game before!"

his boastful statements about how they've created the best cover system in the business almost made me upchuck, and you'd have to be a naive little kid to believe it. i dont' doubt it's been improved (hell, it'd HAVE to be, as the cover system for Gears was far from perfect), but "the best in the business?" i don't think so.

if there's one thing that makes me NOT want to play this game when it comes out, it's everytime Cliffy B. and Mark Rein open their mouths.

[juuken]

Well said. I remembered Kojima praising Gears of War at one point. This Cliffy B or whatever his name is shouldn't even try comparing the two games to begin with. His words sounded like an insult and I read the article carefully.

[Vlaitor]

Seems to me someone think his dad is better.

You are someway to go before you reach Kojima little Cliff :P

[midgard229]

its cuz idiots dont like story that is good, im sick of the shooters with bad to no story. i wanna know why im fighting, i wanna care bout the character.

apparently cliff doesnt care since he made marcus phoenix look the same as guy from unreal. gears isnt even that good, its just ok in my book, i wont even buy gears 2 just cuz now there are chainsaw duels

[Bnet343]

I don't like passive games either. I like playing fast and having fun. That's just my opinion.

[iceice123]

If it isn't a good review of MGS4 they think someone must be talking sh!t. They're blind, it is sad.

[BigKev45]

I traded in my MGS4 already. Bring on Gears 2!

[NO_PUDding]

You obviously didn't.

[Kleptic]

yeah you douche...you never even played it...it is pointless to only play it once...you get all your weapons back the second time through...there is no way to experience even half of the game in one play through...

you 360 fegtrons can try to downplay MGS4 all you want...it wrecks every other game this generation without breaking a sweat...Cliffy B. is righ thoug...Epic isn't trying to make a game with absolutely unmatched narrative...Epic isn't trying to make a game about the absolute hands-down most kick-ass soldier to ever grace gaming...

they are making a game with about a tenth of the production value, a tenth of the script, a tenth of the budget, and a tenth of the visual excellence...they are rushing a game because the 360's lineup looks funnier than a dude with an esshole for a mouth...they are making a game to address the millions of ADHD diagnosed 360 owners that won't pay attention unless blood is splattering everywhere...

they are failing at keeping up with this generation...you can give them credit for starting it off more or less...but on keeping up?...UE3 isn't capable of keeping up with where MGS4 has set the bar...simple as that...one easy route is to criticize it...

[liquidsnake]

hahaha Kleptic, that has to be one of the funniest comments ever.

Did I mention that it's true as well.

[Pp p]

Actually truth is i played mgs4 half way and got bored so i exchanged it for ninja gaiden 2

[Surfman]

haha you never played.

[juuken]

You don't own a PS3 ya stupid inbreed.

[flexbox360]

that comment is so true. MGS4 coming to a theatre near ur ps3 lololol

edit: oh yeah and grab those pop corns and keep your controller close, cuz u might play for 5 minutes or so.

[heyheyhey]

whenever someone complains about their being more watch-time than play-time....

i know they haven't played the game

the game took me 23 hours to complete first time

il play it again and again and again.. then play MGO

ignorant b@stards

can't see past what the media feeds them

[Amp]

Everybody has 1, its all good

[dachiefsman]

no no you are incorrect sir. nobody, and I mean NOBODY talks about MGS4 that way.*

/end sarcasm

*Disclaimer: Dachiefsman played MGS4 and beat the game the opinions above do not necessary reflect the person typing. They do reflect that people can blow their minds over a happenstance comment.

[Vanqu1sh]

CliffyB just pwned kojima

Do ps3 owners really prefer watching movies to playing their games?

LOL

[Vlaitor]

Not really, but we do like using OUR BREINS ...

[Twizlex]

Breins? Yes, very good argument there...

[krik]

Too bad Kojima doesn't even know who the f**k CliffB is and every *real* gamer in the world knows Kojima.

I respect Epic a lot but this CliffB dude is getting on my nerves.... what a moron.

Kojima >>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>> CliffB (who's that again?)

[Vlaitor]

Yeah, a joke it's called. Taking a word and changing it depending on it's meaning or definition. You know, humor :).

[poos3]

mgs4 is an ok game but imust say with out the cutscenes the game will score 7/10 all thorw the cutscenes are very well done but tell me something i didnt kno japanses devs only excale in cutscene swhen it comes to gameplay hahah no contest gears of war 2 is a much bette rgame than mgs4 dont worrey reviews will show you that

[Commandant]

When are you going to hit puberty man?

[PS3 Is The Winner]

For people like Cliff to say that just shows hes scared. Gears 2 will do good but I do not think it will sell as well as Metal Gear the first week or even ever.

[Mwaan]

If you really think about what he's saying, then no, he's not dissing Metal Gear. Some people just want to sit down and have fun, but those extended cutscenes could be really frustrating to somebody who just wants to kill stuff.

[captainjy]

Scared of what? A boring game that is only a cult hit? The problem with MGS is that it's a really large box wrapped in really pretty paper all throughout, but there's a marble inside. Let me put it to you like this, if Gears of War was releasing on both consoles, you would buy it. If MGS came to the 360, I wouldn't waste my money. Says a lot.

[zethos56]

Let's see who would win in sales

MGS4 -
Less install base
Casual gamers probably won't enjoy
People who haven't played previous MGS games will be confused

Gears 2-
Bigger install base
Will be hyped to death by MS
Can be enjoyed by the average 15 year old who has never played a game with a deep story

[NO_PUDding]

CAptianjy, you'd find the vast majority who have boguht Metal gear wouldn't buy Gears of War.

It's nothing.... And hyping it will kill it, becuase the screenshots are just showing how little it has evolved.

Gears of War, is wrapped up in a pretty box, but guess what's in there? A ping pong ball. Very little depth, weight and little creativity put into it.....

[Veryangryxbot]

You know what is really funny?
That hostage and shoot thing Gears O W 2 showed in the trailer? Stolen concept from MGS.

MGS2 was the first game ever to introduce hostages while shooting. So stfu cliffy. Youre a noob.

[zodiac909]

Just because Kojima is a genius and can make a game stand out without steroid fat BlTCHES who swear ever other sentence, doesn't mean you just go out and call it passive!

Dont cry cliffy too bad the 360 cant make a game like mgs4

[flexbox360]

omfg how dare he speak about mgs4 like that. and he insulted my god (kojima , how whatever his name is lol)

[pumpkinpunker]

can I get my money back for MGS2?

I nominate Rose as the most annoying character in the history of fiction. I had to shut off that badly voiced, badly scripted nonsense.

[chavafx]

for yore information gears of war sold more copies then mgs3 mgs3 sold 3.6 millions copys world wide and gears sold 5 millioncopys and ps2 whas 120 millions consoles vs 10 m xbox360s so now what whats bigger?? and by the way mgs2 sold 5.5m and mgs1 sold 5.9m so the franchise is going down in sell,ls so gers is funer overall to me cuz is more mp and fun gameplay wise and yes i playd all mgs and i love my mgs4 movie/game but is the less game out there is like a movie more then a game wich is fine but not long lasting fun like gears halo resistance uncharted or any other real game

[zodiac909]

ever heard of skipping the cut-scenes? which i dont know who you would, just you xbots just look for any reason to bash the game.

[pumpkinpunker]

I'm not skipping the cut-scenes. i'm skipping the whole damn game. peace.

[newneto]

MGS4 is a great game, near to perfection. I am spending more time on it than on GTAIV. We cannot argue preferences!

I like Gears too, but I prefer Metal!

[heyheyhey]

at least it has mountains more substance than Gears

hey don't get me wrong, Gears is a very good game, and certainly fun- but all i heard Cliffy say was:

"hey, im not creative enough to make a game like MGS with so much more depth than my game, i guess il just have to resort to calling it boring"

can i complete Gears without having to kill anyone even though i get a mountain-load of cool weapons? can complete the whole of Gears either stealthily or aggressively? do i get these choices?

Gears is a mass-market pleaser with Hollywood-style OTT action, but it will NEVER be comparable to MGS as a video game, form of art or a story

it's just unfortunate that most people can't grasp MGS's depth and choose the simplistic action of Gears because it's WAY more accessible

bottom line: CliffyB, please don't bash MGS- because you know you'll never be able to create such a polished masterpiece

[cmrbe]

say MGS4 is bad. Its just not his cup of tea i guess but he should know better than to say stuff like to the press. He should be careful because people might compare him to Itaki with this kind of slip up. Last thing EPIC needs anyways is comparison between MGS4 and Gears 2 because it will defiantly hurt Gears.

I like Cliff and i am pretty sure he respects Kojima alot as all great devs do. They are not fanboys like most on this site in that they actually respect each other.

[krik]

Sorry, I respect Epic but I am loosing my respect for CliffB. Recently he has been getting on my nerves with his crappy interviews bragging about GeoW2 and putting down every other released and unreleased game. He even puts down his own games (GeoW1 and GeoW1/PC) to brag about GeoW2.

This dude is starting to look like a moron...

[dachiefsman]

I saw the same thing you did bud. He didn't mean anything by it.

If he hated the MGS franchise, I am sure he wouldn't have sugar coated the issue.

Another example of people blowing things out of proportion.

[dachiefsman]

could you link these videos or releases?

I am not trying to defend Cliff, but I haven't heard of him talking sh*t on other games released or unreleased.

[krik]

@dachiefsman

I'm talking about both the GameInformer and EGM interviews (print magazines) where he keeps bragging about his new game (GeoW2) being the best in the freaking world. Also, just recently on ign he brags a little bit more about GeoW2:

"The system of cover was effective," explains Cliffy, "but we wanted to add the final ten per cent to turn it from really, really good, to phenomenal." Then he adds: "Hands down, this is the best cover system in the business."

I've never seen Kojima (or any other major developer/designer) brag so much about their own games. That is what is starting to piss me off about CliffB. He keeps saying his stuff his the best. Does he really need to do that?

[dachiefsman]

yea it would have made more sense if he said, "Yea might cover system sucks and is not the best" and " You guys probably shouldn't buy it!"

Just like MGS 4 was Hideo's ART so is Gears 2 for Cliffy. He is proud of it so he is going to brag about it. If you are proud of something do you brag about it? Hell it happens on this site all the time!

[grantps3]

passive entertainment?

MGS4 was one of the coolest and best games i have ever played.
I have beaten it twice, but i wont do it again for a while.

[fopums]

maybe hes butt hurt Marcus Fenix didnt make the cut for brawl.....

[facepalm]

"To be honest, it's fun because in it's own unique way, there's no pressure. We completely ignore it and follow our hearts.We wanted a blockbuster pace, and in doing so, we lost the story a bit.
So that's one of the lessons we learned. This time round there's more repetition. Games aren't movies and aren't consumed in a single sitting. So secondary characters will remind you about stuff, which is re-established in plot cues. Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we're not doing. Passive entertainment is on its way out – you need to hook up with this web 2.0 stuff."

[SL1M DADDY]

Does this surprise anybody? Western devs are insecure and full of themselves while the Eastern ones seem a bit more humble. You would never hear Kojima say that he is not into making games with big husky piles of dog meat running around with large guns compensating for a lack of you know what... But he should. lol

[zodiac909]

yeah because westerns will say anything to make their game look better and they can't think of their own game ideas..Lifes tough...

[theusedfake]

no he didn't

[flexbox360]

i think gears will be better than mgs4. my opinion.

[midgard229]

and because shooters and games with little to no story is the way of next gen games.....thats why so many people having being playing metal gear for 20 years, thats why people play Jrpgs, thats why metal gear sold 1.3 mill day one

.....seriously guys, u idiots with low attention spans who dont wanna play mass effect cuz u gotta read, u guys are the minority,

games with story sell, games where u care about the person sell. games where gallons of blood are spilled and u just shoot things arent the only games that sell idiots

[pumpkinpunker]

thats why i sold my copy of mgs2 to a flea market for some spare change

[power of Green]

Yes the gameplay in Gears single player will be appealing to the masses and yes in the multiplayer showing/interview context cliffy said these things seem legit when looking at MGO. In MGO you are running around in a painfully slow manner hoping you run into an enemy.

[Skerj]

Really now? Because I could swear my run speed is levelled up and there are ALWAYS people trying to kill me unless I play smart.

[power of Green]

lol. What he said could have meant anything they simple preffer more action based games giving gamers a more intense experiance let it go.

* One game(MGS4) you have Snake sneaking around with enemies looking right at Snake not knowing whats going on, you crawl to sneak up to them while the enemies AI allows you to do what you want as if they are a prop to showcase what snake can do to them.

* And the other game(gears) the enemies try to kill you they hunt you they try to out think you and will rabbidly come after you if they feel like they're losing the gun fight.

MGS4: Enemies are there as props to show off what Snake can do to them to glorify Snake=passive.

Gears: Enemies are aggresive and hunt you making the gamer work hard to win the battle=cliffy being right.

[Skerj]

Dude, that argument against MGS4 is weak and from what it looks like you've never played the game. The Camo index is there for a reason, if it's low and you get to the same distance to an enemy they WILL see you and they will proceed to shoot you in the head. Then they'll raise an alert and call in other enemies to do so. Also they'll hear you unless you're stalking or crawling, so you can't just run around like a jackass and expect to sneak up on someone.

That is if you choose to play the stealth route, you can just play like a shooter and mow everyone down but they'll deal their share of damage and death to you if you don't play smart.

Don't believe me? Try to sneak in front of an enemy and see what happens. Try to run at someone standing with their back towards you and see what they do. If you're not quick with the CQC button it's instant alert and they turn around. Better yet, go 20 feet from a Frog WITH octocamo at 99% and then try to enable your NV SolidEye, she'll hear it and come running at you. Hell, I got too close to the enemies in a PMC vs Rebels battle where I was SURE I was safe, got an alert then all the bastards started aiming at me instead of the rebels.

A Gekko saw me crawling from like 200ft away then came over and proceeded to investigate. It pulled that probe thing out and realized I was alive then roundhouse kicked the crap out of me which resulted in an instant death. Snake is highly vulnerable or else I wouldn't have to SNEAK around the game to avoid being spotted and attacked.

[Testo]

"Yes the game play in Gears single player will be appealing to the masses"

That's true but I think less "hardcore" gamers play Gears/ Halo/ Resistance. Both are games that anyone can pickup and play. It doesn't take any thought to run around and shoot a gun at people.

MGS is for the "hardcore" you have to learn how to play the game.

Gears is like Wii sports, anyone can pick up the controller and do a half decent job at it.

I kid, I kid. =)

[Monty_The_Great]

can't really say I am surprised by the responses here. This is a blip of what the whole interview was, why not try and wait until the whole interview is available? Oh thats right, that would be logical and there is no logic at N4G. How do any of you know if he didn't actually turn out praising MGS4? This is just a site trying to get the traffic of rabbid Sony fans, I guess its working.

[Whoooop]

"Cliff Bleszinski, lead game designer of Gears of War 2, cites Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic doesn't want to make."

Of course they don't want to. They don't have the man power or the vision to pull a game like MGS4 off.

They aren't THAT good as developers to actually be on par with kojima and co.

:)

[Awesomeo3000]

its just that an epic game which i love will never have a story going for it that a 10 year old couldnt come up with. alien/monster attack u got crazy guns go out there and kill everything end of story. kojima has a love for movies and hes trying to do something nobody else is blurring the line of movie and games and man do i love it!

[kazuma]

first itagaki, now cliffyb...wow xbox developers really are a bunch of pricks *rolls eyes*

[Rageanitus]

Its funny why in the hell would he even compare the games when they are totally different.

If Cliffy trying to carry on the sucesss from mgs4.?

Stop being in love with your own game.... its good but not that good... I bought the pc version of gears of war just to see what all the hype is (it looks better, better res and to top that it runs at a smoother frame rate...... and this is on a x1900xtx with an OK processor) vs the xbox version. Sorry the game is good but not totally awesome.

[Skerj]

Adjust face, place palm.

[MazzingerZ]

yeah, I guess entertainment for kids and teens is way harder to achieve

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Curbstomped and chainsawed

[NO_PUDding]

Shame that's all you can do in Gears of War. You would have thoguht soemthing totally badass would involve a Rail Gun or soemthing.

You have like 4 weapons? Have fun, I have just boguht the lead ball rifle.

[fenderputty]

ever really known for its story telling abilities.

There's way to much mud being thrown at both AAA games.

[snakeater3]

you cant really compare the two .....gears is just pure mindless fun aimed at toddlers, casual gamers and ppl who dont have enough time to devote to gaming and just want quick bouts of action. mgs4 on the other hand is on a whole different level (not necessarily better or worse, but its in a league of its own) mgs4 defies genres, videogame norms and anything we expect...it is aimed at mature and intelligent audiences...an audience who can appreciate games as a medium of passing knowledge, as a medium of enriching one s life experience, as an artistic manifestation of a genius mind. mgs, as a package, will still be remembered 25 years down the line (as is still mgs1)through its memorable moments in the mgs saga and 4th wall shatterings. gears of war? gears is a good game, but it is bland and insipid, and for that reason, gears of war and cliffy b would be relegated to the dustbin of videogame history.

[Testo]

+ Bubbles

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

5+ million copies sold and numerous GOTY awards says alot, let me know when MGS4 has 5+ million and at lease one GOTY award.

[cmrbe]

don't worry. MGS4 will pass 5 million in about 1/24 th the time Gears was out.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

There you are "predicting" and still saying "wait" and "will" your side is good at that. BTW Didin't MGS3 sell only 3.5?

[cmrbe]

but now MGS3??. 3!=4. In europe MGS4 is already pass 1 million in 1 week. Japan 1/2 mill and NA most likely 1.5 million in 1 week. Thats half of the current Gears install which came out about 18 months ago. MGS4 also came out when there is much harder competition unlike Gears which really had no competition when it came out.

[Testo]

First it was always the meta critic rating.

"No PS3 game scored above 90% on meta critic, PS3 has no good games"

Now it's

"No PS3 game sold more then 5 million units, Ps3 has no good games"

Sony fanboy's change the their opinions a lot too but this is just funny.

[Jerkapotamus]

If you got the bonus Blu-ray with the special edition of MGS4, Cliffy B is actually on it. He just says a couple of things about how great the Metal Gear franchise is. That's why it seems a bit odd for him to be saying this.

Maybe he's not so much slamming it as opposed to saying that it's just not what Epic wants to make, though the second part of the quote seems kind of directed negatively towards MGS.

[chavafx]

and for youre information gears sold more then mgs3 gears sold 5 millions mgs3 sold 3.6 and ps2 whas 120m vs xbox360 10 on the time
and for the people colling mgs4 the best game of all times then all i have to say is wow is it youre first game or you are mental even uncharted whas more fun game play wise mgs4 is a movie that happens to have some gameplay wich is cool but boring after seen it so i trade my copy after finish it. conclusion best mgs game not really best game of all time what??? hell no

[Kraken]

There was not a single good game on x360 when Gears was released(still ain't any good games out). PS2 had abundances, and MGS2 sold 7 million, I think. It's all about the hype.

[u got owned]

@ Kraken

"There was not a single good game on x360 when Gears was released (still ain't any good games out)."

WOW you really are a blind fanboy in denial.

[Commandant]

If you don't speak or know English well, don't write in it? Kinda simple. I'm not going to try and type Spanish...Because I don't know the language well.

@u got owned-I like though examples champ. I'm going to do your job for you...We have the internet. Yes, both of us. I found the date Gears was released on wikipedia, and then found a list of games that were available in 2006...

http://xbox.about.com/od/to...

Kraken is pretty much right about the games...Dead Rising, Rainbow Six, and Gears. Everything else is non-exclusive. (Which I don't consider)
Some people like 360's games...There pretty good. I like PS3 better. Games are ok, but it's Sony so you know it will...last.
MS...not so much.

[u got owned]

Since when passive means bad. Some people here needs to get a life.

[panagogou]

GOW=cover,boom,cover,boom,cove r....then boom once more. not very boring though cause you must follow this procedure for only 9 hours. then the game ends.thank god. On the other hand it has some good graphics.If you like the Unreal_Engine_ kind of style. The sequel seems to offer nothing innovative. Booooooooooooring!

[iceice123]

Sit there and just watch tons and tons of cinematic. Make fun of gears gameplay(Best Third person shooter there is, funny you try and talk sh!t about its gameplay) but at least there is gameplay to it.

[Vlaitor]

At least if you had played MGS4 you could tell that the gameplay is much more depth than anything you played dude. Cut-scenes, sure, they are a lot. But MGS4 took me about 21hours to complete, I had killed 458 guys and got killed 32 times in my first playthrought.

Now if you think it's more a movie than a game. Go drown into your bowl of cereal.

[dachiefsman]

Yea I played through MGS4 and I would have to say that the cover system is probably one of its weak points. The cover system for Gears is a lot better.

Yatzhee put it best when talking about this system:

http://www.escapistmagazine...

MGS4 is still a great game though just offering my opinion on this discussion.

[Isaac]

He is a gamer first and foremost, unlike the fanboys of his games.

[RamzaFFT]

both series are great. End of Story.

[kingme71]

Let's all add Y sounds to our first name and dot our last name.

Georgie B. - This Iraq invasion will be bigger, better and more bad a$$ then what my father did 13 years ago.

Honestly, how many rock star designers come out of US based dev studios? Guys like Sid Meier, Will Wright are famous but they earned their respect over years of great games. Cliffy B. makes one game and he's all of a sudden the face and mouthpiece of Epic.

[DethWish]

This piece of Passive Entertainment pwns more than any game from you guys will ever do though!

And I'm saying this as a person who's played UT2004 for years.

[kopicha]

What a comment. Maybe I should touch up on his words. "Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic doesn't want to make" should be rephrase into "Metal Gear Solid as the kind of game Epic cant make" Games like Gear can be done easily by thousands or millions of people out there. Its nothing new. In fact there are already hundreds of such games out there. The only thing is they play and look differently as well as the difference in the game theme. But I want to know just 1 game that play like MGS4. As far as I know is none. His words fail badly. So there's actually a big gap between cannot make and doesnt want to make. CliffyB really a joker. I respect that they can make good games but putting an insult this way they can go somewhere else. I dont buy that sort of things from developers. To whoever who just click disagree right after I post this, name me just 1 game that is like MGS4, clicking disagree upon reading what i said clearly shows you are a xbot

[FwanK]

Just compare Hideo Kojima and this , c´mon ¬¬

[MadMax]

Dumb, personally i thought GOW was very overhyped.

[1stKnighT]

Yeah I have to agree with the passive entertainment. I gave this game another try and I was bored out of my mind. To much sitting around and watching cut scenes. II'm sure gamers that played MGS since the NES days were probably in gaming heaven. But I'm a MGS noobie and it just didn't cut it. Boring cut scenes with boring political nonsense. I can see why Konami gave the reviewers restrictions on the cut scenes....even they knew it was to much. This game is definitely for the fans.

Gears of War 2 will be a game that everybody will be around the tv screaming to play next while MGS4 is a game that everybody will just watch and get bored.

[Isaac]

On multiplayer, maybe. However, on single player it will be no contest, as Gears will probably be too short again. As for storyline, the comparison is not even fair for Gears of War 2. It's like Comparing G.I. Joe to Saving Private Ryan.

[RamzaFFT]

Why do we let ourselves get so bent out of shape just because Cliffy here says an opinion. Whenever something like this comes up I just remember "Opinion's are a lot like A$$holes, everyones got one and they usually stink". Works for me anyways :)

[Dark General]

He uses. I like story heavy games and all types of games in general. But he's right in some ways. For me through my first playthrough of MGS4 i loved the cutscenes even more than gameplay. For me the gameplay took to much of a action route with a backseat to stealth. But on my second playthrough which i'm doing now trying to get the foxhound rank i'm noticing ALOT of little things. In multiple sections of the game there's a lot of different alternate routes and ways to get around things. The stealth isn't exactly the same as previous games and STEALTH itself is a very PASSIVE approach to things.

But like some people have hit upon two different types of games. If i want to play a game where i get to blast mofo's and be a tough ass i'll play Gears. If i want to be one of the craziest badasses on this earth... I'll play as Snake who's "the shiz" as hal would say. I like stealth and a good story and i go to mgs for that. When i want to blast mofo's left and right i'll go to gears.

[romaink]

whatever happened to democracy and freedom of speech?!

[dorkyfresh11]

...that Gears of War is using a system that is an off-shoot of Metal Gear? Metal Gear was the first video game to let the player stick to the walls and pop-out for a quick shot. i understand everyone has their right to an opinion, but calling MGS4 'passive' when it deliberately puts you in situations where you absolutely cannot run or hide is pretty inaccurate. kudos for his success, but he should probably watch his mouth when talking about a franchise as unique in quality and substance as Metal Gear.

[Old Snake]

This guy is a huge douchebag, seriously nice earings and hair dye. MGS ****s all over Gears. Gears is a good game, but this guy is being paid by MS, of course he is gonna bad mouth it. He just wishes he could put half the amount of polish into his game that Kojima does.

[iceice123]

You need to learn to read, boy. He doesn't talk sh!t about MGS4 at all.

[Irishrocket69]

MGS4 is a game? I bought it last week and the first cut-scene is still going, when do I get to play?

[Mwaan]

That comment went really well with your picture.

[The playa]

Lmao just another 2 more days man, two more days.

[juuken]

You can *gasp* skip the cutscenes! Wooooow, if MGS4 had NO gameplay whatsoever, then why did it receive so many 10's?

You're a retard dude, quit smoking your joints.

[nycredude]

How the hell does that does that comment make any sense. According to you, then one cutscene in MGS4 is longer than halo 1, 2 and 3 and Gears 1 and 2 combined? You sound like an imbecile.

[cmrbe]

take a chill pill. I see alot of knee jerk reaction to a quote that has been taken completely out of context. Read the whole interview people. Cilff was just replying that they are not a making a game like MGS4. It unfortunate his use of words but everyone slips up once in a while.

For the MGS4 fans. You don't have to defend it. Its the greatest game ever to any MGS fan as well as alot of other people including respected game reviewers and thats enough.

As for the trolls. Troll as much as you guys like. You guys can't changed the fact that MGS4 is a game that will be remebered forever as a true masterpiece, a one of a kind.

[ustayclassyn4g]

to each his own i guess

[kewlkat007]

I could see why he would call it passive, but most have already went gung ho and blown the statement out of port portions as always.

MGS4 is a Cinema type game, where you are involved in making things happen but the story/presentation takes precedence for the majority of the game and as it should.

Come on Cliffy B, is all about Shooters so different taste, obviously.
when will fanboys "RESPECT" others opinions and stop taking it/crying like a little girl?

Anyhow I stayed up till 2am playing MGS4 and can't wait to get home and play.

[Kaneda]

Becoz Kojima didn't use your lame (_*_) engine for PS3 game... now he is dishing it...

[DarthTigra]

He might be saying this now but he was singing a completely different tune on the MGS4 limited edition bonus disk.

[Calluk]

I would like to see Marcus and his Gears of Bore clan take on snake, Raiden and liquid and Vamp

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I'd buy that game!

[pwnsause]

Snake would call him a rookie, CQC his chainsaw, and then kill him

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Holy crap! That would be Marvel vs. Capcom all over again! Except everyone and their dead grandmother knows that MGS4 KICKS THE F$%^K OUT OF NG2, GEARS 2, AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO TRIES TO CHALLENGE THEM!! MGS4 KICKS ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!:)

But really, "passive entertainment? It's got to be a 360 fanboy. Anyone care to make a bet with me? $100 million says it's a 360 fanboy, lol :)

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Cliffy...

I'm really disappointed in you, dude.

I hope your mother smacks you for selling out like this.

[iceice123]

I am hoping your mother teaches you how to read. It looks like it is a skill you are lacking.

[Dark360]

He's right, you play for 3 minutes and then watch a 10 minute cut scene. Repeat this process for 15 hours and you have MGS4.

LOL...JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ AJAJAJAJA

[highps3]

Seriously wont be picking up Gow 2. Enjoy it frankly it wasnt that great. Sold a lot though, enough so that CliffyB is now acting like a frag tard..

[witchking]

So you won't buy the game because the guy who is the lead developer on it made a comment about another game you like? If that's the case, I suppose you'll never buy another game that David Jaffe makes, since he can't seem to keep his mouth shut about anyone else's products.

You sound just like the nutjobs who said "Assassin's Creed is going to rock because Jade Raymond is hot."

[Whoooop]

Unreal Engine Dated...

[i_like_ff7]

Im a 360 owner and i love gears but wtf cliffy? Your a douchebag...

[bob1234567]

snakeater3 that is definitly the way i feel about this game. MGS is a game were you think about what you have done.. and relate it to youre life. Its a game were you can feel what the character is feeling or what there going through. I guess you can only experiance a game like this if you played all 3 before it and just love these types of games.

This guy seriously needs to think about what hes saying. At first it was cool sayin it didnt matter about "we dont want to make this game" but stating that it's going to be obsolete form of media is purely stupid. People like you are the reason why games cant be described as art. Its just mindless shooting and blood. And retarded lookin macho men with bodies full of 300x steroid use. Youre so called "game" doesnt compare with mgs. A game that can tell a story and make you undertsand characters enough that it can make you sad is a true form of art and entertainment.

to this day i still think about what "SPOILERS" Big Boss said to snake at the grave yard. the things he said to snake and the music used are truly emotional. MGS is a game for inteligent people who have the attention span to watch and understand fictional worlds that can apply to there own. Its way of story telling is amazing and ur gears of war isnt SHIeTTTTT compared to mgs. People like you need a reality check and stop being so egoistic. Kojima's name is bigger than youre CLIFFY B will ever B

[madjedi]

please edit the spoiler out of your post, i know the meaning is important to you but, can you rephrase it without ruining the ending for people thx.

I notice how people attack(grip/belittle) mgs4 for long cutscenes/storyline (yeah it is long, i don't mind), is it a surprise when a japanese developed game is released. That there is a story with characters you are actually supposed to be interested in/care about, rather than, ah this guy died whatever. Is half the gaming populations(xbox 360 owners largely the ones complaining) imagination dead.

Cod4 is a fun game but, a little more life from the characters would be nice, at least they are not total mindless zombies, with bioshock and mass effect on the 360, with good stories, eternal sonata, lost odyssey(i guess). Why the hate(yes i know the real reason for most of them) on another great story telling game, is having a deep story that hard for some people to understand, can they not move past move forward and kill, rinse and repeat?

Out of all the games i have played for ps3, the ones i really enjoyed, after i stopped playing them, were the ones with a good solid story line, uncharted, rachet and clank, heavenly sword, marvel ultimate alliance, dmc 4, dw6(based on its history), mgs4, and the lego star wars and indiana jones games(more for their play on the movies than anything else), and maybe gta4(haven't played it enough to know).

I think, some of the same people that attack mgs4 and other story driven games are the same ones, if you were to ask them what was the last book they enjoyed reading, they would stare at you blankly and ask whats that.

[Sitdown]

I think most people saw the comment regarding Metal Gear and immediately jumped to its defense. What is so wrong with what Cliffy said? 1.)"Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we’re not doing" Umm, its obvious they are not going for the stealth type game...so nothing wrong with that part. 2.)Passive entertainment is on its way out. If the claim is that there is no game close to Metal Gear, and this is suppose to be the last in the series....technically is this genre not on its way out?...if there is no game coming to take the mantel?

[Dark General]

Splinter Cell: Convictions stay stealthy as well. But beyond that and Hitman i don't see any other stealth games.

[kewlkat007]

EPIC tales are dying, just think about it....

[klashawnd]

"Snake, tell me how my ass taste!!!"

[dachiefsman]

LMFAO best comment of the whole THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bubbles up man!!!!!!!!!!

[Spydiggity]

he didn't say it's not a good game. he just said it's a dying style and epic isn't going to make it.

i personally don't think it's a dying style. but i do understand where he's coming from.

and @ the guy that said resistance will be better than gears. where did that come from? that has nothing to do with this article. but for the sake of argument. you have NO idea what's going to happen or what to really expect. especially since you probably don't know anything about gears.

but if you go just on previous sales and previous reviews. most people don't even like resistance. even the people who bought it said it's just a halo knock off. and it probably moved under a million copies. gears moved several million and is still number 4-5 in the top 10 xbox games each week. and as far as reviews go...gears was always 9/10 or higher. i think gamespot gave it a 9.6/10.
what'd resistance get? 8? 7? and who still plays it?

i don't understand where the hype of resistance 2 is coming from since the first one was basically just an average shooter with a small fanbase.

[Sitdown]

It is all most like the Killzone phenomenon. While I do not think Gears of War is the best.....I could not even get into Resistance.

[cmrbe]

that if this flame bit hit Cliff he would put out a statement that his comments were taken out of context and he respects Kojima alot. Mark my words.

[Elginer]

right it's more about watching then playing.

[chavafx]

yeah thats why there is millions of people playing gears even when is 2 years old and won like 120 goty awards and sold 5+ millions and guess what i finish mgs4 twice and you know what i agree 100% im a gamer not a brand lover and as a game gears whas by far more fun aver all

[dorkyfresh11]

...not only is Gears of War using an off-shoot of Metal Gear's cover system, but Marcus Phoenix wears a bandanna (so does Snake). not to mention both Metal Gear and Gears of War have the word "Gear" in the title. CliffyB's comment says that passive entertainment is going out the door, but i don't think he realizes how much in common Gears of War has with MGS.

[Spydiggity]

...
You think Fenix wearing a bandanna has absolutely anything to do with snake wearing one?????? get off it man, and the cover system isn't new, but it's certainly very unique in Gears of War.

and the word Gear appears in more games than just those 2.

you have absolutely no valid argument. just a couple small, meaningless coincidences.

[dorkyfresh11]

sorry you can't see the connections but they're there regardless of your acknowledgment.

[Gun_Senshi]

unique like in kill.switch.

mind you. a pure copy of kill.switch

[vilmer]

Somebody sounds a little bit threatened :/

[Real gamer 4 life]

The media is what is going to drive the gaming industry to rock bottom. Any smart person could see that this quote was taken out of context. The gaming media is like a big instigator trying to start a fight in between game developers and companies. LOL! Do you guys remember when kotaku took kojima words out of context? because i do. You guys don't realize it but the media is controlling you fanboys like puppets. They take any words, put it out of context and spin it to make it look negative, so that they can generated hits and make profit. Come on guys grow up smell the coffee beans, the only thing cliffy was saying is that they are going in a different direction with gears of wars. And said that metal gear is a more passive game, which is true. Metal gear solid is a stealth game which makes it passive. Guys read the whole article before passing judgement, don't believe everything you read. This is article from ripten is obviously a fail attempt to generate hits. The same thing could be said about gametrailers and their vs videos.

Edit:
I even forgot to mention that cliffy is in the metal gear special edition video praising the game and showing kojima lots of of love.

[NinjaRyu]

thank god for real gamers like you that understand Cliffy's words were takin out of context. It's good to see theirs still people on this site that are real gamers. Ever if it's just only about ten of us left. Anyways on the subect of CliffyB's comment how many of you read the first article this comment came from?......................... .............................. ............................... .. ............. that's what I through. For the love of god some of you fanboys on this site need to be talkin to a open field to be beatin with sticks until some common sense come back into those empty skills of yours.

[chavafx]

gears 5+m mgs3 3.6 and x360 had 10m consoles on that time ps2 120m
so where is the amazing franchasie mgs1 sold 6m mgs 2 5.5m mgs3 3.6m
mgs4 so far 1.8m wiw will see what sells more mgs4 or gears 2 the count will start on novemver 12 08

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Oh no he did int!

Sisssssyyy fiiiggghhhttt!

(spoiler)
In MGS4 defense when there is action going on it is pure gold. In Act 3 the graphics/cinematic that you can switch back in forth while on the motorcycle is some of the best I've ever seen and it's smooth with no hitches, same with the mech battle. I think people are taking Cliffs comment's to literally.

[Gothdom]

This looks like a jealous statement. Nothing more nothing less. Way to look stupid Cliffy. I never held him in high regards, but I never hated him either. Now, he kinda "lost a bubble" in my mind.

[chavafx]

cuz ps3 haves no good games at all other then mgs4

[BestGamerAlive]

the game cant b done on the 360 and 2nd cliffy b i dont know who he is but he sure is a coward and is not a real gamer

[etownone]

As of now, MGS4 is as good as Gears and Halo with a 94 on metacritic.com.

Just wanted to put that out there for the sonykiddies :)

Oh, and if you think 1.4 million copies sold in week 1 for MGS4 is impressive... what are you going to think when Gears 2 doubles that number one day ONE?

[SEVERN]

MGS4 sold 1.4 million units in one DAY! And that includes people who love MGS so much that they actually went out to buy a PS3.

[chavafx]

o and now that i finish mgs4 twice i actually think that mgs4 is way more hyped then gears gears in my eyes whas mm before i playit and after i play it it whas f==k ing fun and i still play it mgs4 is collecting dust now fun but after playing it or actually waching it is a done deal like it or not

[Kraken]

You've never played MGS4. You can't afford a PS3.

[pwnsause]

chavafx, lets speak spanish, mentiroso.

[u got owned]

@ pwnsauce

lol, I suppose you do, igual de mentiroso!

[pwnsause]

no, i speak facts my friend. i dont spin them. BTW get rid of that Ali Avatar, it doesnt suit you since Ali was and is a truthful person, he never spinned the facts.

[kewlkat007]

nothing about dissing or downplay or whatnot...

He is saying games of the "EPIC" nature is on its way out but can you blame him?

How many EPIC games have we gotten in the last 8-10 years, that embodies everything/some Metal Gears has shown over a a 20 year period?

Anything...well very few in between. That's why this game is a Storied franchise and has become that type of game, it's so good, you don't have to play it. It's just more "passive involvment" is tied to the game but this is what Metal Gear is, the Story and Presentation are top notch.

Back in the day a game like MGS4 could easily be 2 games.

Anyhow too many buffons on here..to comprehend

[RAM MAGNUMS]

ha ha!
he tried to take on kojima!
I know m$ is desperate but this is the best cliffyb can do in trash talking ?
he another cokrider in the long list of cokriders trying to live under the mgs4 spotlight!
he wants attention & mg poke is the only way he can try to get some.
ha ha ha!
I can already see e3 will be mgs4 show as everyone will mention that their little DVD game is better than mg.

[chavafx]

they all blow mgs4 sells on day one and weekly even worse for exsample
mgs4 first week sales 1.5 m vs halo 3 3.5m oo oops that will kill alot of sony fans and lets looks at the sales long term it will be worse cuz just is a boring non fun after 2nd play wich is why i trade my copy of mgs4 already and mgsonline is boring conpared to any real mp game out there

[etownone]

As great as MGS4 is, the only thing that is going to help push (force) sales of the game is the bundle.
without a great multiplayer (which it doesn't have) people looking to buy the game will look for the used copies at a discount.

reminds me a little of Bioshock, another AAA great game, but not intended for the mass market.

[SEVERN]

MGO is actually really fun. Not as good as COD4 but it still will keep me hooked on the game for a long time, as well the singleplayer in MGS4 is packed with extras and easter eggs and lots of stuff, I'm on my third play through on the second hardest difficulty, and trust me its harder than any Halo Legendary mode.

[Old Snake]

Ya so? Would you honestly say that assassin's creed, and halo are better games than MGS4? Halo may have/will sell more, but MGS4 is the better game, no question about it.

[witchking]

"Passive entertainment" is a great phrase for this type of game. Final Fantasy -- and many other Japan-oriented games -- fall into this "bucket." A game with a little bit of interactivity followed by plenty of on-screen, in-game cutscenes. I've pretty much stopped playing JRPGs because I wind up falling asleep in the middle of waiting for my turn. Same goes for MGS... just not my kind of game.

However, I wouldn't go so far as to say passive entertainment is on the way out. I believe the trend in video games leans more toward action-oriented interactivity (hell, even the Wii is all about getting involved, not standing there watching cutscenes), but at the same time, if done correctly and well, there's a place for this type of game. MGS is successful, undoubtedly FFXIII will be as well.

But there will be far fewer successful games in this gen than in the last gen that would fall into this camp.

[Sangria]

Metal Gear Solid is a series that base everything on scenario, music, sneaking, espionage and epic situations or bosses. Gears Of War is a game that base everything on the "shoot first, think later", with a scenario and script that fit on a stamp, where all the interest is (was) in the online.

How can we compare two totally different genres? It's like saying Day Of The Tentacle is more boring than Painkiller. Some like use their brain playing, some not. Final dot. Gears Of War and Metal Gear Solid are not a same way of entertainment.

[kazuma]

day of the tentacle rulezzzzzz

[dachiefsman]

nice sensible post!

bubbles up!

[Sez]

it's a sad day when a gamer is charged game prices for a movie. and i didn't even get popcorn and nochos with that.

[ngg12345]

Kojima made Metal Gear, Policenauts, snatcher, ZOE, Metal Gear solid franchises.

[kazuma]

he also did boktai, a few tokimeki memorial games, and has worked on a lot of different games

[solsub]

As if I needed another reason to hate this douche.

[joeynox]

Personally so what if he dissed Kojima. Besides mgs what big game has kojima made. Not many .I kno CB hasnt either so big deal.They both suck.Kojima made 1 great game.Its not like hes Marios,or zeld's papa then there is a issue.

[Old Snake]

1. Kojima has made much more than Metal Gear, Zoe, Snatcher, Something nauts

2. Most devs that people know of, don't make a ton of games, they stick with one ip and stay with it. Only Shiramoto or however you spell his name has made a ton of great games.

[sephy 9 2 5]

Act 3 in action I'd hardly call it passive.

[Marlon Jackson]

Everyone wants to be an expert, yet when it comes down to information, nobody knows sh*t.

Clifford is a smart kid. They developed the Unreal Engine. WHICH is being used in a number of great looking games NOW, and is being liscensed out for future titles. The UT engine is also unique, in that it can be modified to suit the needs of the game your creating.
EPIC is a major studio, and its made a real mark with PC gamers. I'm sure they'll do the same with Consoles. And if Gears Of War was just the beginning of the story, then we're all for one hell of a "book".

Stop blowing the story of portion. Jeez.

[PantherAus]

Where have the figures been released that MGS4 sold 1.4m in the first week. Last bit of info i seen was 1 million in Europe......I can't imagine it sold 400 000 ONLY in the rest of the world..

I think i recall Japan being near 400 000 after 3 days....Correct me if im wrong.

Nonetheless different games appeal to different people. To debunk the rumour that if you havnt played a MGS game before you cant enjoy it, well i love it and this isnt just my first MGS its my first playstation (N64, XBOX, PS3). Halo2 convinced me to stray from xbox then when i played a mates Halo3 i was left thinking it was an update of Halo1. But yes Gears i have never tried and probably would like to.

My Opinion.

[unjust]

Worldwide which isn't crap! it only sold 600,000 in the U.S. and that is why they are considering porting it to the 360 so that developers can make more money.

[90Supra]

yea they're gonna port it onto 5 DVDs and offer a discount coupon for an intercooler to keep the 3Shitty from overheating....HaHa

[Rusted]

This prick (cliffy b.. geez) is incredibly annoying BUT...! but he's the creator of that nice game called Gears of War. You can't compare the two games! one is far superior than the other. Oh well, is just his opinion.

*Now, go back and play MGS4

[tk]

Both types are enjoyable. If GOW2 comes to the PS3 I will most likely buy it. Thinking that MGS4 is the greatest game since Tetris is not going to stop me from getting GOW2. It will not make me like MGS4 less. Kojima is not going to make a GOW or a GT5. So I will get GT5 and GOW (if it comes to the PS3) from the other publishers.

So if Cliffy won't make MGS4, thank goodness that Kojima did.

[master pain]

itagaki (japanese crackhead dev)barked before ng2 release & his game flopped

& now...........

cliffy (western pothead dev)barking before goew2 release

yup another flop coming exclusively for the 360

flopbox360 where the devs only knows how to bark............HOP IN!

[Sez]

i guess you forgot about haze there didn't you. hyped by dev and sonyfanboy. matter fact. didn't sonyfanboy sign a partition for haze to be an ps3 exclusive. look how that turned out. right

[joeynox]

just wondering what makes peeps think mgs4 is the ultimate game?Personally i enjoyed uncharted more.

[Space_cancer]

Well Cliffy just said that they are not a making a game like MGS4.

Conclusion: fanbois on a rampage.

Well what game do you expect from Epic to make? Solid Gears of Metal with long cutscenes and an octocam? Marcus Fenix and his team sneaking around with cartridge boxes?? How about just two good games having two different styles? Both amazing, but different.

It´s not that serious guys. MGS4 is a great game, but what about some serious relaxing? And maybe...play some games and having fun with it, maybe drink or two in a hand.

[nycredude]

Why does this it have to always be like this on N4G!!!!!

I am trying to resist taking a shot at the 360 crowd but it is very hard!!!

AHHHHHHHH!! FREAK it!

I know for a fact that if you tried to make and play this game on the 360 it would literally fry it with all the stuff going on in the game! it just simply can't handle it!

There I scratched the itch!

[bosels11]

because most people on here are probably between 10 and 25 years old and dont know sh!t about anything! I am not a fanboy, but cant stand Microsoft as a company - so I wont buy any of there inferior crap, plus I dont like the way run their crooked business. Not saying that other companies dont have their crooked side, but seems to me MS is much worse.

[Dark SeRaNADE]

Yea, quite easily a bad idea, bad mouthing a MASSSIVE fan base....
:/ real clever move....

ah well, best to ignore him? and yea! GEARS OF WAR 2 NOV! WOOOT......

[capjak]

Gears of War 2 is going to be exactly the same as the last one, he's just jealous he's not smart enough to develop a plot like MGS4's. He just doesn't have the brain power, or the Hardware power.

[Rusted]

Metal Gear Solid is not for everyone, and that's why i love it

:)

[DX F3NIX]

what a annoying bastard. kojima is a rare breed of making games he takes his time and ambition to make something great. while mr. beeyotch over there got lucky with gow. this asshole is nowhere to be found in the same league as kojima. shame shame mr. b

[Enigma_2099]

Good luck with trying to make a game that has as much of an impact that MGS IV did.

[clintos59]

Please dont come here saying dumb stuff like that. They are 2 different games and gears is good at 2 things and that is awesome gameplay and awesome graphics. MGS4 is on a whole nother ball park when it comes to status and evaluating it. It is the best game in its genre and it is an all around amazing masterpiece, from awesome graphics to awesome sound, to awesome gameplay, to awesome replay value, and to top it all down it has an awesome, amazing, fantastic, and godly storyline to go with everything else and is why alot of reviews say, "It is the best game this next gen" or "It is one of the best games of all time" which are 2 quotes that put this game over gears 2 and any other game that has set foot in this next gen era of gaming. Some of u fanboys might not agree with me and many of these reviews but its a fact that no one can take away from the masterpiece Hideo Kojima has developed in this remarkable game and I doubt even gears 2 will be able to touch MGS4. Maybe sales wise and graphicalwise, but thats about it. MGS4 exceeds gears 2 in every other way and also brang innovation to the table aswell.

All I can say is Gears 1 had no competition to go against its first time around besides some launch titles. This time around, dont even bring MGS4 in to the picture because its a game gears or any other game just cant touch. Id say Resistance 2 is the game gears 2 should be compared too since Insomniac is willing to put Gears 2 to the test this time around and that looks more like an even battle. And for anyone who says Resistance doesnt stand a chance, well all I gotta say it sold almost 3 million copies for a launch title and it was a new IP. For anyone to dismiss those numbers for a launch title is just setting themselves up for some ownage when Resistance 2 drops. Its a more even playing ground this time for Resistance 2 and Gears 2. May the better game win in a fair battle this time around. :)

[dachiefsman]

sorry I couldn't get through your block o' text, but from the posts I see there are more people defending Metal Gear and calling Cliffy B every name in the book than people saying Gear 2 is better than MGS4.

You can't even make a comparisons since they are 2 completely different games.

[Enigma_2099]

Cliffy B had no right to even open his mouth, correct?

[Adamalicious]

That means WAY greater.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

thanks for clarifying that ">>>>>> >" meant "WAY greater". Not sure we all would have understood had you not.

[Huntmaster17]

Lets give it up for the HATER=cliff B!!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Seriously everyone needs to relax a little. One persons opinion is just that ...his opinion. He thinks MGS4 is a more passive game than an action oriented game due to the amount of lengthy cutscenes. He isn't saying its a bad game at all. It's just a style (heavily story / cutscene driven) that he and Epic don't embrace.

No real story here everyone... Just one site again trying to make a name for themselves by writing up flame bait.

[DX F3NIX]

etrge

[beavis4play]

hey cliff, you don't have to tell people about the games you don't make- epic does only mindless shooters with huge characters that look like an advertisement for steroids. cliffy couldn't make MGS4 because he couldn't come up with the ideas or story that kojima does.

[DX F3NIX]

i agree with beavis4play mr. beeyotch doesn't have the patience nor the intelligence like kojima to come up with something as great like mgs4. over 1 million copies sold in the first week in europe. that means atleast 2.5 million overall in world sales. i can't wait for the numbers to come out to show how many they sold in the first month.

[MadMax]

Cliffy B is pretty much a wannabe black man trapped in a white mans body. Hes your typical wigger. Act white you frikin idiot, youre not black and make yourself look like a joke. Sorry, but anyone that takes this kids opinion serious is also an idiot. Eminem looking wannabe!

[Ri0tSquad]

Call what it what you want but at the end of the day Gears isn't on that game's level. Not even close. On top of that it's two very different genres. Keep trying Cliffy.

It's funny to see so many Xbox fanboys agreeing when they never played MGS4 and they don't have a PS3. Good job guys.

[Big Jim]

"Cliffy B" is really starting to get on my nerves. I'm tired of his whole act. Gears is a good game, but MGS4 absolutely destroys it. Enough trash talking cliff, get to work fixing the draw distance in your games.

[project76dodo]

If you think MGS4 is "not so good" or "passive"
then you've never played the greatest game of all time
and i feel sorry for you
because that means your a fanboy of xbox/cant afford a ps3
and you will never really understand what a true Masterpiece is

i was going to actually pick up gow2
but now it can eat sh*t
and so can that aHole Cliffy B
show some respect to a master like KOJIMA
GOW2 is nothing but a meatheaded B movie
MGS4 is GOTY

[PantherAus]

On the Open Zone they are trying to say MGS4 only sold 1.4million in the first week. I was confused and was thinking the same logic as you are.....1 mil in Europe, 400 000 in the rest of the world

yesssssssssssssssssssss

Good work my friend. Bubble you like?!

[deeznuts]

I think they sold 1.3 the first day.

[Figboy]

22 hours and 45 minutes to beat MGS4 the first time.

my second playthrough took me 21 hours and some minutes. i SKIPPED most of the cutscenes. including the epic epilogues. all three of them. lol.

to say that MGS4 is more cutscene than gameplay is just an outright lie an generalization, stemming from jealousy, envy, and pure haterade, whatever you want to call it.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is just an epic game. in every sense of the word. i wish people would get over it and move on already. yes, the Playstation 3 is a games console. yes, there are actually amazingly good games on the console. for those that have actually followed the Playstation brand for the past 11 + years, we're aware of this. let it go already, haters.

[Figboy]

but at the end of the game, they tally your playthrough time, and mine was 22:45 for the first playthrough (on normal), and 21 hours and some change for the second playthrough (on Liquid Easy. lol).

i could care less if you believe me or not.

the truth of the matter is that MGS4 has more gameplay than the other Metal Gears, but it also has more story. like always, the story and gameplay elements are balanced.

MGS4 is for the FANS of the series, like any fourth in a series would be.

Gears is mainstream, popcorn fodder. anybody can jump in and have a good time.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is for that gamer that loves complexity of story and characters.

i'm not saying one is better than the other, i personally like BOTH approaches (though i'm not a Gears fan), but people snort derisively at MGS4's cutscenes, when i view the entire franchise as a breath of fresh air amidst the constant first and third person shooters saturating the market at the moment. and the fact that MGS4 has so much to say, and so many different gameplay elements surprises me.

MAJOR SPOILERS:

1) you travers a wartorn city in the middle east on an assassination mission that goes wrong. explosions rip around you while you maneuver through waves of enemies and Gekkos (those bipedal mechs).

2) you travel to Central America, traversing jungle and waterfall, looking to rescue Naomi Hunter from her captors.

3) you travel to Europe to locate Big Mama, tailing one of her resistance members to the hideout. after being discovered, a truly epic motorcycle chase ensues, where waves of enemies try and destroy you and the cargo you're protecting: the remains of Big Boss. the act culminates in a battle atop a church tower with Raging Raven. the last minutes of this act is incredible. period. one of the best cliffhangers i've encountered in a game.

4) you return to Shadow Moses in a purely fan-service level, but it's no less effective. especially for those that never thought they'd see Shadow Moses in HD, with Next Gen graphics. you get into a sniper-battle in a snowfield near the middle portion of the act, and work your way through a warehouse to locate Metal Gear Rex, whom Liquid has designs on. not only do you square off with the immortal Vamp, but you pilot Metal Gear Rex yourself to escape the facility as it's explodes, culminating in a mech vs. mech battle against Liquid Snake, who is piloting Metal Gear Ray. another epic ending to an act in this game.

5) Finally, it's end game, and Snake and company must infiltrate Outer Haven and implant a virus and wipe out the Patriots and their scheme forever. the boss battle here is sure to excite MGS fans, and the last moments of the mission are some of the most intense i've ever experienced in ANY medium, from books, to comics, to movies. the entire act culminates in Snake battling Liquid for the final time, mano y mano on top of Outer Haven. not only is this battle epic, but it's absolutely mind-boggling how gorgeous the visuals are. it literally looks like a CG movie, and yet you are playing it.

the game isn't short on action, adventure, tension, or enjoyment.

END SPOILERS!!

MGS4 is packed with so much variety and depth i can't even encompass it in my spoilers above. yes, there are cutscenes. a lot of them. and some are quite lengthy, but aside from the fact that they can be skipped (negating most, if not ALL of the complaints), they are so compelling that you don't WANT to skip them, because, like a good story, you are emotionally invested in what happens to these characters. not to mention the fact that the action can be so intense that you NEED that reprieve a cutscene allows.

being the fourth in a series, you have no right to complain about the title when you aren't experiencing it in the proper context. it is a MUST to have played MGS-MGS3, in order to get the full enjoyment out of MGS4.

if you've played those originals, and STILL don't like the game, well that's fine. but if you've played the originals, and enjoyed the narrative, there's no way you'll NOT enjoy the narrative in MGS4. it resolves ALL of the plot threads from the past 6 games in the series (Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2, Metal Gear Solid 1-3, and Portable Ops), over the course of 20 of our real time years. that's a feat within itself. we get resolution for pretty much EVERY major character in the story.

no, Metal Gear Solid 4 is NOT for everybody. it's not even for the mainstream, though it does have elements mainstream gamers will enjoy in the gameplay department, but it's more of a dialogue between Hideo Kojima, and those gamers that have supported his opus, Metal Gear, for 10-20 years. it's a very special, almost intimate thing, like a card you'd give to your mother or father, something that only the two of you would probably find relevance in. the difference, is that Metal Gear has found relevance in the lives of MILLIONS of people, not just one or two.

very few gaming series can touch the gamer in such a profound way over the course of that length of time (10-20 years).

for me, personally, i didn't experience Metal Gear for the first time until i was 19, in 1998, when Metal Gear Solid released. from that moment on, my idea of what a video game could convey in terms of character and story changed. i was hooked, and i wanted MORE games like this, not just copying the stealth mechanics (like games like Syphon Filter and Splinter Cell, and many other copycats did; the two titles here did it very well, however), but in terms of thought-provoking narrative and political views that, honestly, are absent from almost ALL video games outside Metal Gear.

the fact that the gameplay was rock solid was important to me, of course, but i never expected to be so blown away by the story also. up until that point, outside of RPGs (ie, Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI, two RPGs that converted me to RPGs in the first place), games were pretty generic in terms of story. fire up any PS1, N64, or Sega Saturn game prior the release of Metal Gear Solid, and take note of the "story," and "character" in those games. outside of RPGs, they were some of the most cliche, hackneyed premises out there. it was an insult to our intelligence. MGS changed that. and should respected for that.

part 4 is truly a masterpiece of game design, and after working on the series for 20 years, i think Kojima has earned the right to indulge in his story-telling and film-making sensibilities. haters hate all you want. it's not going to change the fact that Metal Gear Solid 4 is one of the best games of all time, and probably the best game released this generation on ALL platforms. and that's saying a lot, considering how many great games have been released on the 360 and PS3 in the past two years.

[jacobdevos]

but what i dont understand is, i bought the metal gear solid limited edition
and cliffyB is all over it saying how awesome it is..
which i find to be a little bit strange for a guy that just said that

[militant07]

im not mgs fan and i h8 its boring me, dont know why aslo COD4 boring me
i think gears of war 2 will rape mgs4 in the ass
but not viva pinata 2
vivapinata 2 = wii + ps3 + its games combind

[PantherAus]

If MGS4 haters are consistent with their opinion then you would have to assume they would hate the Lord of the Rings trilogy simply on the fact it has too much of a story in between the fighting. You would assuem they would prefer a 45min movie with jst the fights then a 3hr EPIC.

the build up to the fights (story development) make it all great. That and the shear size of it. EPIC. Kinda like ummm Metal Gear?

[juuken]

Passive?
I'll show *you* passive, with your Gears of War 1.5.
Ya c*cky bastard.

Oh dear, did I hit a nerve there? I could care less because I cannot stand c*cky developers who think they're so perfect that their games are absolutely godly. Cliffy needs to tone down hos god-complex for a second and focus on *his* game. Why would he bring MGS4 into this when it's 1. A different game, 2. Has a much extensive storyline, and 3. Not a run n' gun shooter? What happened to developers focusing on *their* games instead of using cheapshots on other games?

[Figboy]

goes a long way with us gamers these days.

i mean, just look at what it's done for Sony every since they got their heads out of their @sses concerning the Playstation 3 and started focusing on SHOWING us why the PS3 was so awesome, instead of just telling us.

lately, Microsoft and it's various developers have been strutting around like a Peacock, talking big, but showing us very little.

i mean, outside of Banjo, Gears 2, Too Human, and Fable 2, what else do they have out of their first party dev studios this year? don't get me wrong, the 360 has some good games coming out from third party devs (actually, Gears 2 is a 3rd party game, ah well), but i want to see what Microsoft Game Studios THEMSELVES are doing to show us why they should be market leader.

i mean, Sony has Motorstorm 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, Wipeout HD, Resistance 2, Little Big Planet, and HOME hitting this fall. all varied in content and style, all from first and second party studios.

i won't even list the blitz of classic franchises and new IPs hitting the PS3 exclusively next year.

i have a 360. i have a PS3. my 360 barely gets played by me. my fiance turned it on last night to play KOTOR 2, since she's done with Mass Effect. i'm personally really looking forward to Fable 2, but little else (well, Too Human is on my tentative list also; i have faith in Silicon Knights). i want more than just two reasons to turn on my 360 later this year.

i've been playing my PS3 non-stop since i picked it up in February 2007. even during the slow periods of releases, i just caught up on the many PS2 titles i haven't beaten yet (like Rogue Galaxy and Final Fantasy XII). i thought last year was a GREAT year for PS3 titles, and this year even better. next year is looking PHENOMENAL.

i don't care much for Gears, Bioshock is coming to the PS3, and it's more than possible that Mass Effect 2 and 3 will come to the Playstation 3 as well, since EA owns Bioware now, and Bioware owns the IP for Mass Effect, not Microsoft.

i'm looking to Microsoft themselves, much in the same way i look to Sony, to show me why i MUST own their system, and look forward to upcoming releases.

[juuken]

This really pissed me off because I'm semi-new to the MGS4. I did some reading on the history and I am AMAZED how Kojima managed to put together a story like this. I mean, super soldiers, military weapons, clones, U.S government, ninjas and terrorists? The man is clearly a freakin' genius. I wish I had bought MGS1 when my original PS1 was hooked up back in the days.

I agree with you Figboy. I am sick and tired of MS and their developers trash talking every single thing that's on the PS3. I am only getting the 360 for two games that I want because I'm a gamer. But I truly support Sony and the PS3 all the way. I can't wait for Sony to blow everyone away at E3 and show those c*cky bastards what real games look like.

Cliffy B can take his Greys of War 1.5 and shove it up his c*cky ass. I'm sorry, but he reminds me all too much of Itagaki. They can't make their own games, ooooh no. They have to attack other games. It's freakin' annoying. Back in the days, I've never seen something like this go on.

[Figboy]

Itagaki is the Eastern version of Cliffy B. lol.

i agree, i want more than just a handful of reasons to turn on my 360, and the PS3 is a remarkable console.

just the quality and reliability of the console blows away the competition, and the software is very unique, inspired, and most importantly, NOT using Unreal Engine 3. i think that explains why most PS3 games are so vastly different looking from one another. they don't look like they were spawned from the same primordial goop (can you tell the difference between Gears, Dark Sector, Bourne Conspiracy, and every other game using the UE3? i know I CAN'T).

[juuken]

I hear ya Fig; I hear ya.

[SkyGamer]

I like how people comment on how "superior" ps3 hardware is when they are still using DX9. Grow up and get your facts straight.

[Surfman]

He means: "I can't make a game like MGS4, because i dont have the skills"

[mariusmal]

i love gears of war and epic, but this guy behaves and talks like a 5 year's old kid.

ps- before i got flamed, i own both consoles and both games in question.

[onewinedangel]

u brainless fanbots are extremly funny .yes biffy mgs is not what u are making ,since ur pretty resident evil rip-off will never match niether the mgs4 greatness nor mgs4 graphs ,dont even bother to mention it plz u as$ .
i hope u fanbots will enjoy glitches of lag 1.5 since is the only good rip-off u are getting this year losers.
whoever reply to my comment if u are a fanbot dont bother to mention Mgs4 'cuase ,first u dont have a ps3 and second since u love xbox1.3 u dont have the enough iq to understand how great this game is,stick to ur ugly graphs,stupid story ,no ai, corridors full of enemies that all your games are
p.s. gears is a rs4 rip off
i repeat so u fanbot dont forget it

[Sez]

now little boy since you got that off your chest. go sit down and have a time out. because you need it.

[onewinedangel]

ur are the perfect example of what i was talking about .
if thats the best u can do try harder 'cause ur comment was as useless as ur life

[LTC]

Gamespot MGS4 10/10, GEOW 9.6
IGN MGS4 10/10, GEOW 9.4
Gamepro MGS4 5/5, GEOW 4.5/5

Which is the better game?

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

How can you say the story and game play mechanics of MGS are even close to being on par with GeOw....btw GOW= GOD OF WAR

[DFresh]

MGS4 is too big for any game to compete with.
Epic are a bunch of noobs when it comes to creating games.
Unreal Tournament 3 sucked balls.
Gears 1 was good just not great.
Gears 2 is just going to be the same as the first only now it's gonna be more bloodier.
Wow so innovative. Not.
Uncharted is 10X better than Gears.
F*** Epic just jealous of Kojima because he's the master developer this generation.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

MGS was about stealth,......but this new instalment "mgs4" is about WAR and so is gears, both have a bit of insight on how the mechanics of war should feel like, but MGS4's party system practically sucks compared to gears's party system, SNAKE is supposed to play as the one man tactician ( not splitting the game play between you and the AI, Meryl and her team don't seem to make a good couple when co-operating with snake, fvck their always getting hurt, unlike the group in gears.)

after playing both to sum it up,

"MGS4" is more about the brains and technology of war then gears of war is, and gears is more about the violent, grotesque and on going retaliation part of war then MGS4 is.

[The Anti-Fanboy]

and his lame ass, frat boy, trendy tribal tattoo! This guy thinks he's special because of Gears of War? Please, that game is so one dimensional and superficial Gears of War is the Paris Hilton of games; pretty to look at for a few minutes, but after that you realize how utterly empty and flat it really is. This dude needs to get some respect and keep his stuck up opinons to himself. HE IS SUPPOSE TO HAVE ARTISTIC RESPECT FOR OTHER ARTISTS, but of coarse he helps ecco the sterotype of big mouth, disrespectful American "manboys" such as Cliff.

Hey Cliff, Godsmack called they want you get on that homoerotic fansite you've been dreaming about.

[juuken]

What a c*cky sh*thead.

[bigshynepo]

CliffyB, as he will always be known, is such a baby and just wishes his design studio could pump out a game like MGS4. IMO, Gears of War is one of the least innovative games ever and, as pretty as it was, it's gameplay was shorter than heavenly sword!

[GUNS N SWORDS]

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

[steck67]

I thought Heavenly Sword was great and prefer the ps3 over the 360, but I have to admit, HS was shorter than GeoW.

[Obama]

The xbots here are pretty sad in pretending that they have played mgs4. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. So which game will be rated higher? Mgs4 will rap* gears 2 both in ratings and gameplay.

[deathray]

It's a comment from a grown man named "Cliffy". Why does what he says about anything matter? This one gets a giant "who cares" from me. Gears of War is almost as overrated as Halo.

[dkgshiz]

It looks as if hes running down in compton, trying to shoot everyone he sees. I bet he is. Yeah, CliffyB trys to act like the god of game developers. Yet no one cares about game developers. He trys to act as if hes some high rolling man whore in Vegas.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Now all of the fanboys are uptight. Like some of you stated, Gears & Metal are two different kinds of games. Metal Gear has one of the best storylines ever in video game history. Gears is one of the best new IP's to hit a console. The Unreal engine is a pioneering in development in games today. You cannot hate someone just because they don't follow the masses. I have friends that hate the Grand Theft Auto series. Should I criticize them because they feel that way?! No. That's just the way they feel and I respect their opinion. But of course fanboys will defend and curse the ground you walk if you say anything opposing of what they stand for. I can admit, I nodded asleep a few times on some CG parts of Metal Gear. I could not fast forward because I knew I miss something important. IMO some of the scenes were too long. That's my opinion. Kojima has put gaming to the next level with Metal Gear. But you do have people feel that this game is "passive". So fanboys, just chill out. Everyone doesn't agree with you all the time.

[juuken]

Hey, why don't you do a little something called *reading* before you spew anything about fanboys? Cliffy B clearly insulted MGS4. He didn't say outright that it *sucked*, but he said it was passive. How is it passive may I ask? What the hell was wrong with him sticking with his own game instead of trying to bring another game down?

If there is ONE thing I cannot stand on this site are ignorant folks who immediately scream "fanboy" the minute someone points out the faults of people insulting this game. Yeah, that's his opinion. I swear, if Kojima dissed Gears of War 2, 360 owners would have cried wolf and pat each other on the back.

Why involve a game like MGS4 when the games are *clearly* different?

Give me a f*cking break.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

If he said "Fck Metal Gear" that's his opinion. MGS4 is a good game, but everyone don't think so. I don't care if it got over 40 reviews stating "A Perfect 10", you will still have some people that don't like it. I don't care like most of the people do in this thread. Cliffy B is this, Cliffy B is that. He is this, he is that. Now half of N4G is mad about his comments. OK, Kojima never spoke no evil about no one in the industry. Cliffy is new in the business and speak about MGS4. Now he's public enemy #1. The fact is MGS4 sold well, but Gears 2 will also sell. With or without your dollar.

[Common Sense]

To me MGS4 seems like a game a mature person would enjoy.
Gears seems like a good game but much more juvenile than MGS4.
Games that require a more strategy and cunning are not passive but sophisticated. Just because the game requires more neurons in the frontal lobe of your cerebral cortex to fire and less in your cerebellum does not mean its passive .

Comparing MGS4 and Gears is like comparing checkers to chess. They are both fun but chess requires a little more strategy than checkers. A checker game is shorter and quicker but that doesn't mean it's more satisfying than chess.

As for Clifford, no one told him that pride goes before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall.

It's just common sense.

[The Anti-Fanboy]

He should have a bit of professional respect toward his peers, but that is the problem with this generation of "manboys" and this country. He should stick to the work he is doing and not insult someone elses work. I guess it IS hard to see the forest for the tree (you are the tree, I have to tell you seeing how slow you are at understanding).

[dachiefsman]

I can't get over how people on here are taking it personal. Seriously like some one came over to your house smacked your mom and kicked your sister.

*starts handing out sedatives...

Edit @ below: Well if you think this guy is pompus then what is your opinion on Jaffe. I am a huge Jaffe fan just cause he doesn't sugar coat anything. Cliffy is a nun compared to Jaffe when it comes to speaking off the cuff.

I am a passionate gamer, but I am also a sensible one.

[The Anti-Fanboy]

... but I've heard enough from this pompous horse's ass. No one here is really that upset (well I hope not), but I guess it seems that way. Hey, tell you want... don't like it, stop reading the comments. This site is for passionate gamers. Don't like it? Leave.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

All from people who "claim" to have played the game.

Unless you've honestly played it,you have no idea what-so-ever your missing.best game i've ever played.

Im playing through it for the third time now,and im still finding new things.

Dont like it? Go back to gears of war.damn fanboys

[titntin]

Great to see so many responses!!!

Whatever the merits of the games (and I do like both), anyone who chooses to go by the ridiculous monicker of 'Cliffy B' cannot be taken seriously.

[GarandShooter]

I would have to agree with some posts stating it was probably just a poor choice of wording, kind of like saying your mom f*cks alot when what he really means is you have a lot of siblings.

[367 To Your Ass]

GEARS OF WAR 2

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...

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http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...

METAL GEAR SOLID 4

http://www.gamersyde.com/po...

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[GarandShooter]

Couldn't find any MGS4 pics on IGN?

Or any Gears of War 2 pics on Gamersyde?

Anyone could find higher or lower res pics of each game and show them to suit their slant (not saying you intentionally did that, only that it proves nothing).

[367 To Your Ass]

so i'm not going to show you bullet shots, mgs4 runs at anamorphic 1024x768p, and gears of war 2 runs at 1280x720p, what you see is what you get.

[solar]

journalism at its best. taking a single quote outta context and making it fanboy fodder. awesomeness!

[xionpunk]

Gears of War may be a great shooter, but there are a lot of great shooters out there.It may do what it does well, but its nothing new. Metal Gear Solid breaks the mold of what video games can be. It emphasizes having an experience, rather than just appealing to the 'I need to shoot something right now' impulse. MGS ventures away from the norms of video games and, I think, is better for it. A unique experience that not everyone 'gets'.

Oh and I thought this was kinda funny from the site's comments "Yeah, because sitting on your couch with a controller, and moving only your fingers is not passive at all."

[joeynox]

CLiffy B can attack anyone and any ip he feels like.He doesnt have to show respect to anyone if he doesnt want to especially Kojima. Who is Kojima to Cliffy B? Hes nobody andMGS is nothing.Kojima and MGS are the competitors .I would do the same thing .The world needs more peeps like him and Jaffe .

What mold does it break? Take out the cutscenes and its not half the master piece everyone says it is. It is nice but way over hyped. Uncharted was better in * my opinon *

[xionpunk]

Of course MGS wouldn't be the same without the cut scenes. The story is a major part of the experience.How it breaks the mold is the way the story is blended with the gameplay in such an amazing way, and how they both compliment each other. the ocelot fight for example.Brilliant.

[GarandShooter]

Would you feel the same way if it was Francona dissing the Yankees?

[Pain]

U Play Gears Next to your MOM and ask what she thinks....

1, Gears is a bloody Shooter, that Teens like.

2,MGS is a Tactical stealth game for err not kids....

3, Cliffy B is One of those "Got picked on cuz he was a Little dork in High School that got a im Kool Make Over"

I ll take Great Game over a Blood fest shooter with no REAL STORY ANYDAY.

oh noes Space Zombies ekk....and Yes bots i played Gears on PC thx Torrents.

[GameHero]

I use to have respect for him in this industry, but he just keep bad-mouthing Sony and now MGS4.

Whats wrong Cliffy you mad because you can't make a perfect game(ign and gamepro "MGS4 IS the best game EVER made") like MGS4? waaaaaa I can't make the perfect game! waaaa my pu$$y hurts....waaa! I'M sad because gears will NEVER meet the standards set by METAL GEAR SOLID4!

and who the hell calls themselves Cliffy, thats a sissy boy name!

MGS4 for the WIN!

[mr_potato]

Fanboys are increadible where did he say the game sucked because it was slow paced, infact he might have loved it he's just saying he's not aiming for that type of gameplay.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

He said it's a "passive entertainment" meaning it's just like a movie you don't play at all. In this case you watch more than you play.

Passive: Receiving or subjected to an action without responding or initiating an action in return.

Entertainment: Is an activity designed to give pleasure or relaxation to an audience. This audience may participate in the entertainment passively as in watching opera or a movie, or actively as in games.

The playing of sports and reading of literature are usually included in entertainment, but these are often called recreation, because they involve some active participation beyond mere leisure

[Mclovin96]

MGS4 is not a game, its an interactive movie. At least Gears had awesome gameplay.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

Have you played the game (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots?

What about the Xenosaga Trilogy?

[Mclovin96]

Yeah I own MGS4. I enjoyed watching it, it had a good story and awesome cut-scenes. But the gameplay really licks ass. Not fun at all, except for the set-piece battles. There should be an option to skip the 4 hours of gameplay that comes with the "game" and just watch the 15 hours of cut-scenes.

Havent played xenosaga.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

So the mech battles suck, the motor cycle battle sucks, even the stealth camo sucks?

Act 1 hardly has any cinematics
Act 2 hardly has any cinematics
Act 3 it gets longer
Act 4 in between Act 2 - Act cinematic lengths
Act 5 I'm on and cinematics aren't that long they don't last fifteen minutes.

The longest they last is about all together is about 7-10 and I'm well over 20 hours of playing.

[Tacki]

Cliff is an idiot. I'm not bashing Gears here, because I think the first was quite a fun game and I'll probably purchase the second. Those who say MGS4 is 80% cutscenes don't know what the hell they're talking about. If you wanna go 50/50 fine... but the only way the cutscenes would ever amount to that much is if you freakin' ran through the game and somehow weren't killed. But if you wanna do that then play Gears! Last time I checked, MGS4 was a STEALTH title. God, what are we going by now speedruns? And if it's a freakin' movie then so if every RPG ever created. Gears is a good game, even great when it comes to third person shooters I'd say... but it is only mindless action. Those who haven't played the previous games in the series may not find alot to interest them in the story (though it's obvious many still do) but that doesn't make Gears any better. No one even cares about its f*cking story. People can argue over which is better all they want but there's no way that you can say Gears is a 'deeper' game than MGS4 or that it features more variety. I've beaten both games. Gears you run through and shoot over and over and over (which is fine and fun since it does it better than most out there) and in MGS4 you're really presented with something different for each act. It's not some law that you have to love MGS4 (yeah I know it may seem like it sometimes on this site) but I'm sick of people saying dumb crap about it that's not even true.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

Many people think there are more cinematics than game play in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots for some odd reason. Anyways sometimes Cliffy is on the ball and sometimes has the typical European American way of thinking. I can't see Cliffy making a game where the story is so intense; just look at his comments.

Gears of War 2 will have more blood, more guns, or more ways to chainsaw enemies. There is nothing wrong of thinking that in video games but if someone wants more than a typical outlook they aren't going to do it. It's like Ciffy B. is into comedies like "Shaun of the Dead" while Hideo Kojima is more into "Terminator 1-3" (simple yet complicated). Shaun of the Dead is straight forward while Terminator will have explanations for every little thing.

At least he (Cliffy) doesn't complain about the architecture of the PlayStation 3, lol. I never hear of the Xenosaga Trilogy having too long of cinematics that it ruin game play.

[SPECTER]

And I thought I liked this guy, What an idiot. They couldnt make a game as good MGS4 if it was the best game they could possibaly make.

[Aclay]

I really don't see how MGS is "passive entertainment".

It's almost surprising to hear that he said that about MGS because he was in the Bonus Blu-ray DVD with the Special Edition of MGS4 and he made some positive comments about what MGS has done for the industry and how he played them. Itagaki's weird ass is also on the DVD and he put his little 2 cents in on MGS and what Kojima did for the industry.

MGS games are games that I personally want more of because the shoot-em up games like Gears of War 2 are almost pointless. MGS4 is a game unlike anything else that's been released so far and I love MGS.

[staub91]

What a D Bag

[Bellic Jr]

I wont go into to a whole MGS4 vs GeOW rant because of Cliffords statement. I like both franchises ALOT.

I will say that I'm dissapointed in him popping off at that the mouth on a franchise thats been around probably before he could spell Epic. Like it or not MGS is one of the most successful and beloved franchises in gaming history.

All I'm saying is his comment was in poor taste and is unwarranted because Hideo never talked down about Gears. I think Clifford is a bit envious perhaps and it caused him to shoot his mouth off in poor taste. Maybe he's mad seeing all the 10's for MGS4 while His IP somehow played backseat to friggin HALO in review scores... I dunno.

First Aaron, then Shane and now Clifford just joined the stupidity club.

YO HIPHOPGAMER!... GET'EM!!!!!!!

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Cliffy who? This guy is a baby to this industry and have yet to deliver one single game that I care (sorry, Gears Of War fail) and is bad mouthing other people? Jeez...

[chidj2]

is xbots "hapy hour" when all they say "yeah dude i played MGS4 and sucks balls yeah u know im a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-------eee eeeetarded"
and gears of war its 91491809 times better yeah u know dude OMG and i forget something halo 3 rules the best game ever really dude im not kidding ok sony droids im going to play my gears of waaaaaaaaaaaa-------rrrrr" ;

fuc"·king liers

[ScottEFresh]

*lead balls* Cliffy B MGO style.

[highdro]

so this is what has over 300 comments, just shows how LOVELY MGS4 IS to make over 300 PEOPLE ACT UP !! -""- !!

[RINGOFDEATH]

Gears of War 2 sales will sell less than the original.

MGS4 is the best game yet.

[ChrisGTR1]

.... yea im shure all ps3 owners arent gonna buy a 360 exclusive anymore.. oh wait.

[JokesOnYou]

take one quoute out of context and act as if the guy attacked MGS4, yeah I guess that'll generate a "few" hits.

Personally no doubt MGS4 is a great game but it is somewhat "passive", I can see his point there, the guys simply saying he (Epic) won't be doing that type of game (what the hell did you expect)...and as far as him saying its on its way out...its merely his opinion about the direction of industry as a whole, meaning he thinks most games will become more fast paced/action oriented/interactive....hell the wii sells mainly because of its "interactive" type controls, but nowhere does any of that imply MGS4 sucks, its merely his opinion which is obviously related to his dev style. Now I don't necessarily think this kind of entertainment is on its way out but honestly I don't think many games will actually attempt such long lecture type cutscenes to tell its story, at least I hope not....Bioshock comes to mind, it did an amazing job of mixing the gameplay and storytelling to perfection imo.

JOY

[Bellic Jr]

Moot point. Bisohock doesnt have a story that spands over 3 console lifecycles. This game is in no way passive, its a vision of a genius. MGS4 is the end of a saga, a single game tying together ALL the loose ends of its 3 predecessors. This is something that Bioshock and Gears are to early in their prime to have to worry about and will be lucky if they ever get the chance to do so. Talk to me in 21 years if Gears and Bioshock are still ringing bells as LOUDLY AS METAL GEAR has and is.

Spin it however you guys want to I guess. Still doesnt take away the fact that it was disrepectful Cheapshot by Clifford. The haters are in full swing.

[JokesOnYou]

"Moot point. Bisohock doesnt have a story that spands over 3 console lifecycles"

hey believe what you like and first of all its Kojima's game so I'm definitely NOT suggesting to "tell him" how he should have told the story, my comments were more of just a comparison of how a great story CAN BE told without long winded cutscenes, so to say it could have only been done so in the way Kojima chose because its basicly the ending to previous MGS titles is ridiculous.

NO thats how Kojima chose to do it and thats what devs do, they go with their vision of what they WANT to create, obviously that descision shapes the game and its appeal to certain kinds of gamers....Bioshock or some variation of it IS a perfect example of how a great story CAN be told with what was imo an awesome blend of great gameplay and story telling= it didn't seperate you from the immersive environment, I always felt like Rapture was alive around me, yes MGS4 has plenty of good gameplay but some cutscenes a very lengthy and some seemed almost like a college lecture that pulled me out of the game, I guess this is where Kojima wanted to envoke some emotion about the situation, deep thought etc. I guess thats what some felt but although the story is a good one I wouldn't call it "genius" but hey to each his own, either way its NOT a "moot point" to say that the story *could be handled differently. Its just a different point of view, thats all.

JOY

[Highwayman]

This is the sadest bunch of Sony fans I've ever seen in my life. Jesus Christ!
376 comments. Do you folks get out much? Damn...
Wow, a man makes a comment and all of a sudden he's on steroids or he's crazy.
I can relate to his comment. That's not what Epic is about, okay. We get it.
Life goes on. Big deal.
But to sit there and call the man names because he holds an opinion. God forbid. We better nail him to the cross, eh?
Jesus you Sony fans are nuts. You guys get way too carried away. OMG he insuled MGS4, no way!!!! Let's get him on the internet. OMFG!!!!!
Sad just sad......It's a video game.....
I am beginning to think that perhaps those "clueless" parents of ours who claim that video games are for children and for childish folk, may be right after all.......Which is sad to say but beginning to hold some truth in there.
Disagree all you want....take away as many bubbles as you all want I don't care. This is how I feel as it is my opinion, so I'm sure I'll be slained for it by anyone who loves Sony more than life itself. Next thing I know folks will be telling me to lay off the drugs and whatever kind of crazy crap!!!! Have fun getting your panties in a bundle.....

[Highwayman]

First off I'm not an "xbot" I own both consoles. You admit going nuts because you "love" Sony. Hmmm.....that's not really healthy Darth, perhaps you should seek some help on that. 350 comments+ personally insulting someone because they happen to have a different opinion=no life. See how that works, Darth?
Defending your games on a mature level is one thing, but to go beserk over it is another thing, once again see the difference there Darth?
How far would you rabid fanboys go to defend your games? That's what scares me. What would you do, foam at the mouth and beat Cliffy B. with his Lancer? I think you just might. Garbage, hmm...Funny when I purchase a game for my X360 it doesn't look anything like garbage at all, nor does it smell like it either.
Oh, man you just hurt my feelings. *Tear*. LoL. "3sh!tty" Wow that is some originality right there, Darth. Good one! (Sarcasm)
I didn't like Halo 3, it was boring. And no I didn't care what anyone thought of it.
Once again I am not an Xbot. Sorry to disappoint you there, Darth, as I know you were hoping it would get to me. "low level Scum Bags" Hmm...well what does this make you? I mean if the Xbots get to have such a flashy little badge, shouldn't you get one?
"who can't even afford a PS3" This part of your post has me interested. How is it that you know what a person who owns an Xbox 360 can and can't afford? How could you possibly know that? (Sarcasm) (Oh, and I own a PS3. MGS4 is a pretty good game too.)
"Microsoft will never have the success Sony has had" This comment interests me even more. This must mean that you can clearly see ahead into the future, wow, Darth. That's pretty cool. Well, hey since you can see into the future ever so clearly. Tell me this. What will happen once global Oil reaches peak? Will we all suffer from lack of food and a global depression? Or can we mitigate our economies with out facing massive starvation and possibly mass die-offs? I mean since you can see that MS will never be as successful as Sony, perhaps you can into something more important, no?

Anyways, Darth it was fun b!tchslapping your crapa** argument. Have a nice day ;)

[Highwayman]

Ah...if isn't my buddy, DarthCruz..

Nice..I've seen how you have managed to dodge all of my questions with the exception of one. And you want to argue in a mature manner, yet fail to argue at all. All you did was manage to throw some more insults around, let's dissect them shall we!
You have a life, could have fooled me. Does your life revolve around worship?
What about on Sunday do you praise the almighty Sony and feel thankful that you have a PS3?
The internet sucks, huh? Well ya know Darth that street works both ways,
buddy ;)
This comment about folks b!tching on the internet and not doing it in person, was this suppossed to apply something here, Darth. You trying to call me out on the internet? Which by the way, Darth this whole comment you've got is making you look mighty hypocritical. Identity crises Darth?

You hope I burn in hell? Wow, buddy you really do need some professional help. Might I suggest having yourself committed.
Oh, and I've got a badge for you. Ya know since anyone who owns an Xbox is a scum bag, I figured you needed something to fit in. How about "Socially awkward psychopath" There now, doesn't that fit rather nicely? Ya know Darth..maybe you can find some kind of seven step program to get off of Sony and enjoy life again. Breath that fresh air! Maybe you could even get your very own room with those nice fluffy padded walls and a bed. How exciting would that be!?

Oh, and Darth I know you took one of my bubbles, but that's okay I forgive you.
Oh, and if you want to argue Darth you actually have to present an argument, just to let ya know.
Well once again, Darth it was fun b!tchslapping your crapa$$ non-argument. Have a nice day.

[ChrisGTR1]

i dunno why all the dumbass ps3 fanboys are going all crazy over the truth. half of the freaken mgs4 game is all cutscenes! i have the damn game and can confirm this as ive beaten it already. hes 100% right.

[seraph741]

it is a fact that the game is mostly cutscenes, to get the Big Boss trophy, you have to beat it under 4 hours (i believe), so the game is MORE than half cutscenes. is that bad? no, but thats all this guy was saying. jeeeeez, some people need to REEELAX and people have different opinions, dang.

[jwatt]

Yea there are alot of cutscenes but the only game that could really pull of long cutscenes is Metal Gear Solid. Great story, voice acting, character models, and attention to detail. Gears is going to be crazy but Mgs4 is just a different experince and we need games like Metal Gear and we need games like Gears of War.

[Jim Crowslaw]

idk about u but i dont need Gears of War or anything like it.

[highdro]

dont pretend u have the game just to try and hide u are a fan boi ur self in disquse,...if u did i am sure u will have seeen other things than cutscence because the in game graphis is AMAZING and the bike mission chase >>> go play ur gears 1 and halo 3 till gears 2 comes out >>> dont get me wrong i am still bying a 360 when gears 2 comes out !!! =I

[ChrisGTR1]

dude, i have mgs4. and the graphics ARE amazing, i didnt say they werent. but the cutscenes are hella long. it was like watching a movie at the end of each chapter. those parts when otacon talks take forever. im glad your getting a 360 for gears 2. you should of gotten one along time ago. you probably would of sold your ps3 by now if you had.

[fermcr]

I agree with him... mgs4 is not my type of game. I would rather go with gears. Mgs4 is way overhyped.

As for this thread, i saw so many comments i had to enter... damm, there are many crazy people in this site.

[seraph741]

really really crazy people, lol

[DarkSniper]

Dark Sniper recommends watching the making of MGS4 on youtube. Notice who the first two developers are that praised the game.

$niper

[joeynox]

Does any of this matter ? Its 1 Dev stating his opinion on another devs IP.He didnt say anything about Kojima and if he did so what.Kojima is a big boy.Its amazing how Fanboys are looking at Kojima like a game industry god.All hes made is MGS. Mgs 3 ok MGS 4 better. Hes not Shigeru Miyamoto!!

[Bellic Jr]

Are you on crack? Do you even know the History of Metal Gear? You do know its been around 21 years right? Of course you dont. Hideo Kojima is almost on the same level as Miyamoto San. He was ranked like #7 out of a list of 100 Top Devs. He was one of NEWSWEEK top ten people some years ago and more importantly he's been dubbed a genius by his fans more so than his own admisssion. Although I dont refer to any human as a God, he is a Legend and a pioneer in the gaming industry who has done more than Metal Gear He has done Zone Of The Enders, Snatcher, Policenauts and so on. Whats really amazing....JOEYNOX, is how uninformed you are about a person you OBVIOUSLY know very little about. Sounds like both you and Clifford need a drink of Humble juice laced with intellect. Put...the...Haterade...down... foolz!!!

[Tacki]

YOU may not think Hideo Kojima is anything special, but it's undeniable what he's done for video games. The guy created the whole stealth genre for crying out loud! That's a pretty amazing achievement right there, not to mention he's only gotten better with his games as time has gone by.

Like I said, it's unclear whether "Cliffy B" was taking a shot... but IF he was it's pretty rich. He's like the Michael Bay of the game industry

[Enigma_2099]

Your avatar kicks @ss...

MAKOTO NAGANO 4 LIFE!!!

[Tacki]

Thanks~! And here's a bubble just for being a fellow Ninja Warrior fan! ;)

Now hopefully Nagano finds Cliffy and kicks him in the balls. I'd pay to see that. Provided he has any. If he had them to begin with he's probably already lost them in an attempt to make love to a chainsaw.

[Enigma_2099]

... only the elite.

[StephenChow]

That's all that makes we know what Epic is. And that shouldn't be changed ...

Blood, body torn into pieces, intense gunfight, cunning actions.... that's all I need in an Epic game .... Make it bloodier, faster and more cruel and i'll buy it !

[seraph741]

insane flamewar. of course he doesn't want Gears 2 to be like MGS4, its all about action, MGS4 is about story. your not going to see an incredibly deep story in Gears 2, of course, that's not the type of game it is.

I don't know why this comment is taken negatively. Actually, i do, fanboys, lol (this is n4g afterall). Awsome game, but when you look at it objectively, it is more a movie than it is a game. If you skip all the cutscenes, it's only about 4 hours long, or less.

that being said, i'm on my 4th playthrough, and its a good game, but i can see how it would be seen as "passive entertainment."

p.s. relax people, its just a game

[Rapture333]

Probably hasn't even played all the way through. MGS4 brought up emotions that gears never did. I'd give my 10 to MGS4. The video game industry it an evolving one and is using new ideas to transfer the message to gamers. Passive entertainment bah! The most amazing game play in that genre.

[Rybnik]

I agree with Figboy. I must admit I was basically new to MGS before this game. I bought the essentials collection recently and basically played all the games back to back, culminating of course with MGS4.. Not only is this game so far beyond the others in all ways quality wise, it is the first game I have ever played that really attempts to give 3-D characters actual 3-dimensional personalities. It makes a HUGE difference to have characters who (may not) be invincible badasses.

There is something about this (introducing even just the potential of vulnerability) that is truly different and to my knowledge, never previously explored. For that reason, I was finally able to connect to the characters (pretty much all of them) in ways I can normally only do in movies. THAT in itself, is an astonishing achievement (GTA series has tried this with its own 4th installment, but MGS4 is massively more compelling, IMO). I note that even the previous MGS games do not acheive this to the same degree, 4 is just way above and beyond. Not to mention that the game is at least about 12-15 hours of pure gameplay, then add MGO and it goes way beyond.

Also, I find it ironic (and sad) in the extreme that "CliffyB" made this comment as he is quoted prominently in one of the extras in the "making of MGS4" blu-ray, praising the Metal Gear series since it was the first game to make him realize that (paraphrase) you don't have to blast your way through every level, guns blazing.

Further, prior to release, Cliffy was talking up the story aspect of his own game (Gears) as if it was some sort of epic tale. Sorry, as fun and beautiful as the first Gears is, the story is pretty much 1 dimensional at best. Maybe the second game will be less so, I don't know. But to run your mouth off, bashing a game which indeed runs circles around yours, in terms of compelling fleshed out characters, unparalleled seamless transitions, and some of the most impressive technical in-game moments of this generation, makes you sound like an ignorant jackass. The whole point and experience of MGS is a game which blurs the lines a bit between movie and video-game so calling it "passive entertainment" undermines and completely dismisses what MGS4 achieves.

[goldenzealot]

lol sony cry babies cant handle a superior developer criticising there crappy cutscene game.

[OSIRUSSS]

I've never played Gears but Mark Reign(I think thats how its spelled) Epic's head dev. Said That UT3 was better than Gears. If thats the case Gears 2 better be a complete overhaul if its gonna be better than Than MGS4.

[geda]

excuse my vulgarity, and delete this if you want, but "CliffyB" can just suck a fat one.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

never bought an epic game so am not going to comment, but my opinion MGS 4 is a masterpiece even with the cut scene . But let see people that complain about the cut scene should have known that this was a metal gear game . DUMBA** . I remember reading a comment " kojima made this game for his fan " so why disappoint his fan for 30 dumb** that probably never played a metal gear game....i played every single one and I loved the cut scenes ..every cut scenes i smoke a blunt.....

[erodrig]

this cracker its funny how the hell its passive its way better that those spin-off games you guys make gears n ut3 Exactly the same different a bit in story but man the models look Exactly the same
mgs4 at least has way better abimation and gritty graphics which makes it more of a war realism cliff man u r a crazy mofo!

[Not the Face]

n4g get worse every time i check. the exactt same losers saying the exact same garbage about the exact same flame bate. i have an idea, if there is no real news then go play a game instead of trying to make up something to argue over. that said i think cliffy there has a point and its pretty obvious, metal gear and gears of war are very different games! that simple, now he is an idiot because he likes the style of the game he is making better? grow up. and really if i had wasted my money on a ps3 already you know i would have mgs4 day one, but with all of the cutscenes and the fact that its a stealth game not steroids run thru and blow s**it up game it pretty obvious mgs4 is "passive" in relation to gears. that simple. is this article news, nope, and look how much attention it gets. i wouldnt be surprised if it was posted by a sonydroid and if every comment was by one, i know some of you pretend to be xbox fans just to start static. soon you will be pretending to be fan boys.
"my turn to be sony" NO! my turn!!"

[N2NOther]

Metal Gear is a much better, overall, game than Gears of War...BUT...

I just want to point out ONE small fact....Gears of War has sold more than any Metal Gear has. Cliffy B has nothing to be jealous of. His game score extremely high as well and sold more than any single episode of Metal Gear.

[for we are many]

cliffy is trying to be "the cool guy who's looking for action" but he's failing hard. his reveals nothing but his jealousy of kojima, and frustration of his own game. I liked gears but it can not even be compared to mgs not in any category.

Cliffy is really nothing compared to kojima, he could only dream of making a game half of what kojima has done. I do not know how a masterpiece like mgs4 is not respected by everyone. I have been playing for 20 years now, but if games are turning out to be like gears & halo then I honestly quit.

[sleepbox]

I think MGS and the people that enjoy it are what is wrong with video gaming today. MGS is the definitive game for people that would prefer video story books...it requires no skill other than to conquer the piss-poor controls and requires no brain...only patience to sit through and try to understand the convoluted plot.

Cliffy B is overrated btw.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

People who can only play testosterone driven games, people that can't or wont use any cognitive skills to play games, are what cause them to be dumbed down.

You've obviously never played MGS4. There is so much variety in that game its nuckin futs. There are 5 different acts that all offer different takes on the stealth gameplay. There are bike chases, mech battles, and epic boss fights.

But no, complain about the story, which is probably one of the first plots in videogame history that actually requires a bit of intellect to appreciate. Finally, a story that actually compels you to play the game! Imagine that, a game that actually rewards you for playing through it by actually giving you a story to care about!

I know it might offend you, but some gamers are more mature and they would prefer to play a game that actually features a worthy plot not geared towards gen y or what ever it is they call your snot nosed generation. MGS4 brings up a lot of contemporary themes and has bold things to say about them. If only more games had the balls MGS did.

[themyk]

hey sleepbox if you ever want to know why you only have 3 bubbles. just look at what your saying. your talking sh!t about a game that's got around 80 perfect scores. and is haled by many respected game sites (not fanboys) as one of the greatest games of all time. try to think about what your doing and you wont end up with one bubble. dumbass

[nycredude]

You are an idiot dude, and people like you are the very problem with gaming these days. I bet you couldn't complete MGS4 even if your life depended on it. You are too narrow minded and lack patience to even try one of the best games ever. Probably because you are used to games with no plots and no strategy while just running around shooting stuff.

According to your comment, I assume you also think that splinter cell suck balls too right?

Find a way to play MGS4 and they you can comment on it.

BTW anyone who thinks that MGS4 is all about stealth, boring and has no action, then they obviously haven't played it yet and is just a poser!

[sleepbox]

Like I care about bubbles. I'll just create another account like the countless rabid idiots on this site preaching from the other side...the side that you are on.

I'd rather not play MGS4, it's overrated tripe.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Because Gears Single Player is what is really passive. The story mode for Gears doesn't come anywhere close to the greatness of MGS4, just like MGO doesn't come anywhere close to the greatness of Gears Multiplayer.

And you'll have to excuse me, but I think it is harder to make a story mode as engaging and impacting as MGS than it is to make an online shooter.

Doesn't anyone else find it funny that GeoW sounds like a combo of God of WAR and Metal GEAR Solid. It's like they thought people would identify with that and buy it.

[dorkyfresh11]

"Doesn't anyone else find it funny that GeoW sounds like a combo of God of WAR and Metal GEAR Solid. It's like they thought people would identify with that and buy it."

the title "Gears of War" doesn't even have any real meaning. it's just a cool sounding name.

[59fifty8]

mgs4 is like a big rig compared to a beetle. gears being the beetle. i mean gears story sucks. mgs is king of story. you cant compare how many games out there are the same as gears, cod4, halo3, battlefieldbc, unreal3, quakewars. now how many games are like mgs .,.,.,.,. huh none it seems mgs victor, gears loser. snake wins.

[NegativeCreepWA]

lol. Im the 420th comment.

[Silogon]

Mark Rein is going to be pissed about this, wait and see. Mark, unlike Cliffy, is a respectable and very polite individual. I've seen Mark put Cliffy in his place on two occasions now

1 - with the UT3 mods thing on xbox 360

&

2 - When Cliffy said Pc gaming was dead

Get ready for Cliffy to make an announcement as to what he "REALLY" meant very soon.

[batman2million]

wow..so many comments. so many mad people!!

[JeepGamer]

What's that? You don't want to make a game like Metal Gear Solid 4?

That's good to hear.

I'd hate for you to live your life in pursuit of a goal you could never achieve on your best day.

[Says you]

For entertainment to just pass the time please and his series is just another Unreal Tournament game its practically no different from the Unreal Tournament universe I'm sorry whats so special about his game again? his game is nothing but crap its just a fantasy in what he wish he would look like with muscles suits

chavafx and its pretty obvious you don't even have Metal Gear Solid 4 this game kills Gears of Lame 2 in fact Metal Gear Solid 4 has 75 weapons what does Gears of Lame 2 have again??

I'm sorry besides Unreal Tournament series and Unreal Championchip and Gears of war series they haven't made any game that is not related about people with inflated muscle suits!

[themyk]

so basically he just instantly compared his game to mgs4........
hmmmmmm i wonder how thats going to work out for him?
he's already got the entire weight of a dying system on his back and he goes and publicly makes a statement as outlandish as that... probably not the smartest thing i've seen. just goes to show it's not just the fanboi's of the 360 that are immature as hell, it's most of your 1st party developers as well. you've got this idiot and the ninja gaiden guy. you'd never hear kojima say something as ignorant as that.

[BrianC6234]

how can anyone who wants to be taken seriously go by the name CliffyB? He wish he could make a game as good as MGS4. Gears of War is pretty boring and not worth playing.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

He wants to be called Cliff Blazenski now.

[Fanboy Slaughter]

In all brutal honesty, I'd take so-called "passive entertainment" over "mindless shoot 'em up about mutants that's been done a thousand times over" any day.

Seriously, Gears of War was like taking Resident Evil 4, updating the graphics, putting Leon Kennedy on Horse Steroids, and replacing parasite-infected villagers with *insert any generic mutant here*.

I played it through on PC, and it's completely beyond me what the huge draw with that game was. I got bored most of the way through, but I'm willing to beat any game that I think deserves an honest shot (and gets a chunk of my money), but it got little else from me than a complete playthrough and a heavy sigh, signifying that I wished I did something more with the time.

Ah well, to each their own, I suppose.

[Mr Fancy Pants]

WOW.... seven pages! woojoo!

[Jim Crowslaw]

8* :P

[SmokingMonkey]

IMO

MGS4 > Gears and probably Gears2.....put together on one disc.

[Bloodshedder]

MGS4 HAS FEMALE CAMEL TOE
GeoW HAS MALE CAMEL TOE...

MGS4 FTW

[blvdnights1414]

Krispy Demon
on June 25, 2008 5:43 pm

"1/10th the success of Metal Gear? As far as I know, GoW is doing just as well as MGS has done at this point. I mean, if you just start counting from MGS on the PSX. The both sold over 5 million copies. I don’t see how you can possibly sit there and say that Epic is “hoping” that they’ll be as successful as MGS. I mean, anything can happen, but considering that Epic hasn’t managed to kill the Unreal franchise yet, I’m sure that GoW will be just fine. Furthermore, how is the unreal engine not designed to do MGS style games? What “style” of game is that? It’s a damn graphics engine and just off the top of my head I can think of several “styles” of game that it’s been used it, including shooters, RPGs, and pinball games. I think that’s more diversity than whatever engine used in MGS4 has shown at this point.

Besides, we all know that every Metal Gear game was two hours of play time and four to six hours of cut scenes and dialog. Hell, I beat MGS in the PSX an hour and a half one time. I mean, there are cut scenes that are over an hour long in MGS 4 and somehow you want to argue that it’s not passive entertainment? How about this from Ars Technica:

quote:
Originally posted by max4677:
So of those 14 hours, how many are actual play time?

Probably 6, possibly 8.

So around half the time you’re playing MGS4 you’re just sitting there and watching it. How’s that not passive? Don’t get me wrong, I love a good story and I think it’s very important in my enjoyment of a game, but you can’t fault the Blazinator for telling it like it is."

CliffyB was refering to the game as just simply being "Passive" not bad, lame, low quality or any thing else you blind/closed minded people took his comment as. What he said was accurate and one OBVIOUS observation of the game. The last time i checked consoles had a thing called a controller for a reason.... I believe its to "control" somthing?

Pas·sive (psv)
adj.
1. Receiving or subjected to an action without responding or initiating an action in return: the mind viewed as a passive receptacle for sensory experience. See Synonyms at inactive.

[Venomous_1]

Why would He even make a comment about Mgs4?

To Draw Attention?
To get Hype for Unreal 3.5... that looks like gears 1?
To Insult Sony fanboys?
As a Joke?

I mean why doesn't he just shut up and make Gears 2 the best it can be so all gamers can enjoy another good game.

Mgs4 is on it's own level and is truly a masterpiece.

Gears of War is on it's level and is also indeed very good.

I Want both and Will get Gears 2!

But commenting about Mgs4 is just saying look at me I'm still a kid.

[wowguytc17]

I am a fan of both games but Gears of War is just another fun 3rd person shooter. MGS4 is a masterpiece. The story on all of the Metal Gears is one if its strongest points so long cut scenes are a must and never feel out of place in the game. Gears of war is good but did feel repetitive. Cover, peak, shoot, repeat. They should take some notes from Hideo and add some story ( i know Epic says they are but what story can you really come up with aliens taking over the world that hasn't been done before). Bottom line is the Metal Gear games are in a class of its own and Gears of war is just another good game.

[blvdnights1414]

"Cleary you have never even played it so Stfu. MGS has a ton of replayability. Way more thans Gears, if were leaving out online. What did Gears have to replay? COGS? Ya MGS has way more sh!t than that. This guy is a f#cking twat"

You Basicly sum up the entire group of the pathetic sore losers in the gaming world in a nut shell. I cant go one day without some 12 year old child saying "oh you wouldnt be so good if you didnt use this gun,or that map, your only good cuz you used somthing that im not good at countering. wah wah wah guess what? It is what it is. You dont cut and paste comparisons you compare one entity to another in its entirety because hey both companies had the complete freedom to make a product absolutely any way they wanted to, so don't even say crap like "MGS has a ton of replayability. Way more thans Gears, if were leaving out online." NO MGS is not even in the same league in terms of replay value NO ONLINE NO COMPARISON

[Sanhlami]

Wow, well which game got a 10/10 on IGN and many other respectable reviewers and is a very high contender for Game Of The Year. I highly doubt Gears Of War 2 will get either. He's just another testosterone induced immature guy who can't appreciate art, storyline, and thinking in games.

[Lord Cheese]

thinking? i'm sorry, despite mgs4 being a damn good game (best game i've played on the ps3 actually), the only thinking i did was wondering how to keep myself from accidentally skipping another hour long cutscene.

[UziSuicide]

MGS4 is a lot more exciting and active than anything Epic has done for ages.

Use's imagination to boot, something Epic have never been really good at. CliffyB was my last hope for Epic as they've been going down hill for awhile, guess there goes CliffyB too... noddy.

[robotnik]

CliffyB looks more like a troll to me.

[ult555]

somebody tell him that

[solidt12]

Cliffy B is a Gay Pirate. :)

[Bubble and Squeek]

You say that like it is a bad thing...

[clintos59]

Nuff Said.

[GMWPS3]

He shouldn't have even bothered. Doesn't he know that the two games co-exist and that there are buyers out there who like BOTH MGS style and Gears style. What a boring world it would be if we ALL like the SAME thing!

I enjoyed Gears of War for what it was. A fun mindless shooting game with great graphics. I only disliked the fact that the story was very weak in comparison to the action.

I enjoyed MGS4 for what it was. Stealth or shooting was up to you. I really enjoyed the full on story and the whole emotional experience I got playing the game. This is all round the best game I've ever played. This doesn't mean I no longer like Gears of War, it just means that MGS4 has presented an experience that is like no other. (See my Diary style review of MGS4 below.)

Both are great games so it saddens me that Cliffy B has to resort to this child like dissing rather than comment on the great things about MGS4 and the great things he is doing for GOW 2. That would have earned him my respect.

MGS4 review (Diary style)

Spoiler alerts for those who haven’t played MGS1 and MGS4 (Major spoilers for this one!). If that’s you then don’t read on. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

I finally got MGS4 yesterday (19th June 08) and thought I would keep track of my thoughts as I play through the game. It’s probably worth mentioning that I’m playing it on a HD projector with a 5.1 surround setup. I’m certain the experience will not be the same on a SD TV with the TV speakers that’s why it’s better to be clear what I am experiencing the game from.

It’s also important to note that I own both the PS3 and Xbox360 (Enjoyed Gears of War!) and I’m not a hardcore fan of MGS series. The only game I’ve been really crazy about has been the Gran Turismo series (owned 3 force feedback wheels as well as all the games including the concept ones like Tokyo-Geneva which was based on GT3.

I played MGS1 on the PS1 and though I generally don’t like the idea of stealth, I really ended up enjoying that game tons! If I remember correctly it was the whole cinematic/movie feel that the game showed that first pulled me in. Then as I played through it I got more and more addicted to it. There were some great moments in that game especially the fight with Psycho mantis where he told me to put the controller down and he ‘moved it with this mind’! That is one moment in gaming that I will never forget. The boss battles were very noteworthy overall.

DAY 1

For the first time, last night I inserted MGS4 into my PS3. The beginning was intriguing with the way it started with a dining TV show set in that bleak future. I like the way it set the tone for the game showing that civilians are basically living in a world filled with fear and war. Once the game started, I was very impressed with the surround sound and quality of the cut scenes. These are clearly the best in-game cut scenes produced to date! While not blown away, I was very impressed!

Even though I had seen a number of video clips of the Middle East setting…..seeing it in-game was amazing! I like the feeling of choice between let me shoot up everyone, or let me shoot up the nano army, or let me just try and sneak past everyone. Sort of feels like too much choice as I’m used to other games where it is either a sneaking game with a bit of shooting or a all out shooting game with a bit of sneaking. This feels different and in this case different is good! I liked meeting up with Drebin, who is one cool character. Funny that his pet is a bald monkey. Overall, the actual game play was good so far, nothing exceptional but the experience on the whole was very impressive. You feel tense as you play probably also due to the explosions and war going on around you that is well replicated by the surround sound. I only went to bed because I was too tired after already having a long day at work and highly anticipating this game over the last few weeks as I read peoples reviews. I went to bed thinking about the game as I fell asleep; it’s been a while since a game made me do that. I now really look forward to playing some more tonight.

Day 1 Summary: Impressed but cautious.

DAY 2

I found myself thinking about this game more and more at work and getting myself into ‘I really want to play this game now’ mode. It’s like I just got it today. Weird. As soon as I got home and got a chance, I booted it up. The intensity of the gameplay and the cut scenes was noticeably increased as I progressed towards the end of Act 1. There was some crazy stuff going on in-between like the crazy evil team of bosses?? Wiping out a whole squad of the rebels! I took 6 hours+ to finish ACT 1 including watching all the cut scenes. I took my time but felt that there was a lot I missed. Already feel like I want to play it again and amp up the difficulty level as well.

Started ACT 2 in South America. Got the camera during the briefing, using the MKII. How’s the MKII for added density in this game! I’m already contemplating playing the game a 3rd time using the MKII so that I have 0 alerts, or at least make my best attempt at sneaking through the whole game. Back to the camera, I played around with it and took a photo of the landscape, the picture quality and zoom function is great. I then watched the cutscene with Drebin then went to bed. I don’t want to play this game when I’m too tired otherwise I’ll miss more stuff than I would if I was totally awake.

Day 2 Summary: More impressed but still cautious

DAY 3

Found Naomi, saw some very impressive cut scenes. Hollywood AAA quality, definitely. Then had one hell of a fight with the laughing octopus boss!! Now that was awesome!!!! It’s been a while since I enjoyed a boss fight like that. In fact it brings me back to memories of MGS1 boss fights but his one is even better! Yikes! Everything is improving fast. The whole game just stepped up a big notch.

I don’t care if someone hasn’t ever played or even heard of MGS4. Any gamer owes it to themselves to play this game even if it had ended after this boss fight. Wow! Surround sound doing what it always was meant to do!! Now this is what a boss fight is all about. My interest/enjoyment of this game just skyrocketed upwards.

I’m writing less now as I have to get back to the game.

Day 3 Summary: Holy cow! Impressed! Caution thrown to the wind. This game is awesome!!!

Day 4

Act 3. Going to Europe was exciting. I don’t know what people were talking about the stalking part being bland. Those people obviously haven’t travelled much in Europe. A lot of exciting moments here, especially the chase scene on the motorbike. Which lead to an even bigger standoff with Liquid. That final cutscene was super awesome!

Day ?

Don’t know what day/time it is. Can’t be bothered. All I can say is Holy Sh*t! I got caught up in the game and am blown away. I won’t write anymore because people need to experience this for themselves. Please don’t get too excited because the game is not life changing so don’t expect that, but it is incredible and deserves to be experienced first hand. I can not properly convey what has happened so far and what is happening now. No matter which way I try to think of it I think the feelings will be different for each player so there is no one way to report it. I would be doing a serious disservice to any gamer to reveal any more of this game.

One final note: Please don’t play only ACT 1 and ACT 2 and judge the game. You would only be letting yourself down. While Act 1 and 2 are good/decent (end of Act 2 boss fight was a great moment!) things just seem to keep getting better in Act 3 before going off-the-scale!!! Think fighter jet taking off. However, having reached Act 4 as of now, I reflect on Act 1 & 2 differently and already wandering about replaying this game using different styles and tactics. I feel a sense of sadness coming on now that I know I’m nearing the end (even though I’m still in Act 4). Words are failing me….

Final Day
The action and twists keep on piling up to the final fight with Liquid. WOW! The credits roll but keep watching! Then more credits roll again but keep watching! I feel sad that this super roller-coaster ride is over but at the same time I view the game in a new light. I started playing it again with one step up in difficulty and suddenly Act 1 seemed so much better. Could be because I don’t have the apprehension nor feelings from hype that I did when playing through this Act for the first time. I will now play this game like savouring a fine wine. Nice a slow, at my own pace and on my own terms. Other games seem kind of Kindergartenish compared to this. I won’t go back to elaborate on the other happenings in the game as that would be soo wrong. If you want to find out then go play it.

Summary: ULTIMATE GREATNESS! (If you have a PS3, get this game you will be glad you did, if you don’t this is a game well worth the purchase price of the PS3!) If you love gaming beyond Wii style games then this is one experience that you definitely don’t want to miss! I have never seen a game like this one before and wonder how if any other developers will be able to match this anytime soon. I also wonder how much they spent making this game because if GTAIV cost approx $100 million, in comparison this must have cost $1 billion. I really don’t know what more to say….this was a mind blowing experience!!!

[ChrisGTR1]

LOL. sorry man but im pretty shure nobody is gonna read your comment. too much to read lol. btw i didnt read it.

[solidt12]

I read it! Great post, but next time throw a spoiler alert in the Heading.

[Sneaky Snake]

@ cliffy

STFU and get a life!!

[Neo604]

u all just jealous cause it's AAA hit. Clearly ya'll haven't seen MGS4 in action. The final boss fight alone make up for all the long cutscene. If u don't like cutscene, skip it. I enjoy every sneaky moment of the game. I'm on my second time through the game and I know I want to play it again.

[BlaST_ProCesSiNG-]

Don't really give a f**k about what Cliffy B has to say... and neither should you! A guy who says he has A.D.D. + the Killswitch thing, No tnx.

Wat he said is being taken out of context btw...

[FAQS]

Q: Is MGS4 a passive action?
A: Of course not...what a stupid comment about a masterpiece game like MGS4...It only confirms this dumbsh#t didn't play it!...The difference is that in MGS 4 WE NEED TO USE THE BRAIN, to arrange tactics of not being caught, tactics to defeat the bosses in epic boss battles, instead of brainless shooting everything that appears to you, in just a short linear action!
Q: So why he said that?
A: Just because he CAN'T (NOT WANT) do anything like this! Because he DOESN'T HAVE THE GENIUS of Hideo Kojima!...He just doesn't have the talent to do games like MGS4!
Q: Was there a need of this guy saying this about other game?
A: YES...Jealousy! When someone said that about a work of other devs, is just because he is jealous!
Q: Why the xbots are always trolling this articles about MGS4?
A: That's easy: they are lost! Remember now they have no games to play, unless the flop NG2, so they are completly desperate...their only reason to live is Bashing MGS4 now, Poor idiots!

[7h3ultim8p00]

Yeah he just had the genius to make a game that basically became a cultural phenomenon, made him rich, sold a record breaking amount of copies in a short time span, and it's still being played to this day.

Seriously Sony fanboys, I know you think Cliffy was a little out of line, but you need to stfu and THINK first before you start posting sh1t.

[The playa]

Hahaha 8 pages of this sh!t! You fandroids must be really upset :( awwww lol Finished metal gear the movie have we? No more games to play? haha Marcus is going to kick snakes wrinkly old ass this november hahaha and then curb stomp him and chainsaw and then punch him to death :)

[GMWPS3]

invisible MKII spots Marcus 200 meters and snipes him.

[kazuma]

yes "da playa" we have already finished the critically acclaimed gaming masterpiece that will stay in the history of gaming, as did mgs1, mgs2 and mgs3 before it. have you? oh that's right you're a "playa" you're too cool to play that kind of stuff, they need to develop simple gaming experiences for the likes of you.

[The playa]

I hope your not making assumptions on me based on my name? Ever heard of the expression never judge a book by its cover? Or didn't your mother teach you that? Firstly my name is "The playa" not the "da playa" and as the name indicates i like to "PLAY" games not watch them. Secondly, to answer your question yes i have played MGS1 and 2 and completed them and also played a bit of the third but found it to be lacking in the gameplay department to be honest. The cutscenes are ridiculously long and the gameplay is too simplistic to keep me hooked (this i assume is why you like it so much). Gears of war on the other hand is a fairly fast paced game that forces you to use strategies to defeat your opponents (especially in multiplayer). Lastly, Its a shame that the week one sales numbers didn't reflect how critically acclaimed MGS4 was. :) good day to you sir.

[Lord Cheese]

@Kazuma - i'm not disagreeing with you that "playa" is a bit dumb. However, how can you refer to mgs as anything other than simple? How much actual thought does it take to get through? I've just started act 4, and other than a tiny bit of thought to work out which rocket launcher to use on raging raven, i've barely thought at all.

To call Gears "simple" is also a bit of a stretch. Granted, its much more on reflexes than thought, but in almost every fight you need to be tactically astute enough to take out the locust you are fighting. You cant expect to just keep shooting and hope for the best.

Fact is, some people would rather *PLAY* a game than watch it. Despite loving mgs4, i'd rather play gears - at least i know that when i play it for an hour, i'll be doing something for an hour, not playing for 10 minutes and then watching another episode of a very convulted movie.

[The playa]

Im a bit dumb?!? Im not the one who owns a ps3 ;)

[kazuma]

@ playa
well to say that mgs3 lacks in the gameplay department, when in fact it is probably the best mgs after mgs4, i find disturbing. bess boss battles ever.
also, wow such strategy that gears of war 1 forced me to use, take cover get out of cover for a while fire at enemies, wait a little so that my health can replenish again magically, yeah that's really something. at least in mgs if i'm f*cked the only way that i have to recover life without using items is to stay crouched on the floor without doing nothing, not some magic 3 seconds voila i'm done.
if u think that gears of war does indeed have strategies (lol) u should try playing mgs1 and mgs2 in extreme.
also what is this nonsense ur talking about sales? 1.whatever million? i don't think that number is low taking in consideration that a)there was no publicity b)there ain't that many ps3s.
let me quote "June 26, 2008 - With Metal Gear Solid 4 confirmed at half a million sales in Japan and one million in Europe, the big question is, just how many copies has the game sold overall. While we don't have sales figures just yet, we do know the game's shipped number: three million." wow now that's disappointing right? *rolls eyes*
also that last comment about the ps3...guess i wasn't wrong about ur name after all ^^

@ lord cheese
well the gameplay in mgs4 in a normal playthrough would last about...6hr?7? depends on the person rly. after u played it u can breeze past it in 4,5hrs. that's why u have the 40 emblems to try and achieve (most likely because of the whole achievements crowd) and u have the hard and extreme modes. and that time u can skip the cutscenes or just watch what u want.

i'm just saying play whatever u want, think whatever u want, mgs4 will be remembered and recognized by ppl for years to come, because it tries to break that gaming/movie barrier and has some of the best set-pieces this generation (motorcicle chase ftw!) and will probably be on every top100 list between the top 20 and top 10 spots as do most other metal gears...not so sure about gears of war....peace

[SpecialSauce]

i always defend gears even though i love ps3 but this faaggot needs to play the game before judging it because Gears of War's SP wasn't any were close to how awesome MGS4 SP was, in fact after betting it once i thought it was enough, and i'm gonna beat MGS4 for the third time already. Gears also didn't get such phenomenal ratings so this little homo in disguise needs to stop getting jealous and stfu.

[7h3ultim8p00]

Jealous of what? Gears sold more copies in the same time frame than this has. Cliffy makes action games where you SHOOT things and run for cover and fight stuff and blow stuff up all the time. OF COURSE he is going to think MGS4 is passive. It took me like 20 minutes to START playing the game once I put the disk in. You know what I'm talking about.

[n00bzRtehgey]

I don't quite understand why so many droids are getting so upset over this.

Why do you hate Clifford? Does he not speak the truth?

Truth hurts.

Deal with it.

[WIIIS1]

I'm playing MGS4 now and while it is technically the most polished game I have played, it is also one of the most overhyped. Puts Halo 3 to shame imo.

The overarching storyline is intriguing, but the scripting is downright horrible (Snake is portrayed like some illiterate with his constant hurrhs and humms). Some gameplay concepts are interesting, but portable cardbox and oil drum cover in this day and age are stuff I'd expect in a Nintendo game. The fight against Laughing Octopus was hardly a challenge and the tracking episode after that was a downright chore that serves no particular purpose. At the end of Act 2, I'm starting not to be that impressed with the cinematics anymore.

There are moments of brilliance, but also many questionable aspects of the game. Unlike Gears, MGS4 is far from a 10 or even 9.5 game. I prefer Uncharted even.

[xtreampro]

snake is a clone, he was brought up in a battle field, he never really got educated, all that was fed to him was war (you seriously haven't played the other MGS games), and your right about the C.BOX and oil tank, but thats just part of Kojimas Humor, am sure you would already know that if you've played the other MGS games

[WIIIS1]

You are right I have never played MGS before. And from a fresh point of view, there are a lot of things about the game that just do not feel right. The whole concept of Drebin is another unsophisticated aspect of the game that spoils the game and makes it feel cheap.

[nycredude]

If you think MGS4 is overhyped, let alone more than Halo 3 you are seriously delusional. If you really are playing hte game then finish it before saying anything.

[azmanmanz]

Cliffy is actually scare cause the GEOW2 will definitely fail!!!

[media73]

Why dont you all get down on your knees and blow Kojima, you lot are pathetic, So cliffy does not want to make a game like mgs4 whats wrong with that? you pissoff3 fanboys make me sick you walk around with blinkers on all the time, anybody so much as mentions the ps3 and you all spit your dummies out, give it a bloody rest go play pokemon becasue that all your worth, bloody kids.

[xtreampro]

CliffyB dosent have the the right type of education and qualifications to create a story with a good plot and twist, Kojima has a masters degree in japanese, so obviously a guy who failed in college (CliffyB), took the easiest course (IT/programmer) aint going to be able to make a game like MGS4, its BECAUSE HE CANT, CliffyB is'nt well educated in story telling, hence why he went for the already done a bazillion times aliens invading earth story. OH! by the way he cant do something like MGS4 on the 360 anyway, cus you would need...ummm...say around 2-300 discs to fit it on, and the 360 would blow up after 2hours LOL!! (when i got MGS4, my PS3 was ON from 3pm to 3am, YEAH! xbox cant handle that0

[7h3ultim8p00]

Your average PS3 fanboy right here. Retarded 10yr old. Talks a lot, makes not sense.

[P4KY B]

all because a guy dared to speak the truth.

[Ali_The_Brit]

Passive Entertainment, what does that even mean!? going to be flamed and called a moron most likely but how the hell is this game passive entertainment... Has it got something to do with only wanting to play through once and be done? because if so its the most *i NEED to play through again* game out there, out of around 30 or so guys iv heard from from knowing in real life, friends, and guys on the PS forums all of them had to start again. you know i bet this CliffyB (retarded name) has never even PLAYED this game

[n00bzRtehgey]

Yeah, you're right. He's so busy driving around his LAMBO that he can't afford to even play MGS4. Why didn't I see this before? Yeah right. And it doesn't take a genius to figure-out MGS4 is more of a movie than a game--hence the term "passive entertainment."

Get it?

[iMad]

Can't wait~ This game gonna rock the house. I am tired to hear "this game looks like Gears 1" from Sonyfans. But that's funny how the lose their patient. The only thing that looks as cinematic as GEars is Killzone 2. All other games are 80% of XBOX games in graphics department. Killzone 2 is exclusion with kick as@ budget. Having that budget you can make 3-4 times more on XBOX 360 and get 2-3 times more money back. And don't fool yourself, developers can calculate their money. So ps3 will have thouse game not so often.

[00000000000000000001]

IMO he is right on! The game is more movie than game play = passive entertainment.

[dorkyfresh11]

you obviously haven't played the game and/or are a hater.

[Lord Cheese]

Here we go again. Comparing mgs4 with gears is like comparing cricket and football. its a pointless excercise.

I like mgs4, but i also agree with cliffy. Fact is, i played it for nearly 90 minutes a couple of nights ago, and the only time i actually did anything was the 10 minute fight with raging raven. To me, i might as well play a couple of matches on pro evo soccer, then watch a dvd and i'll get the same amount of gameplay.

And contrary to many peoples comments, you really cant skip the cutscenes. If you do, you might as well not play the game in the first place.

its a shame how many rabid fanboys there are on this site that a comment based purely on someones opinion gets lept on and insulted.

[okcomputer]

I'm a big fan of both gears and mgs, so I was initially going to just leave this thread alone, but with all the untrue crap about the cut scenes in mgs4 being spread I'm going to have to call bs on your claim of 80 minutes of cut scenes before the raging raven fight. First off there isn't a single cut scene in the game (including the ending) that lasts 80 minutes. Second, right before the fight with raven is the chase scene with eva that seamlessly blends shooting with cinematic camera angles (you know the one that ign singled out in their review as a benchmark for gaming) and right before the chase is a long stealth gameplay portion where you follow eva's soldier and locate her base. So theres at least a good hour of gameplay right there (if you don't get caught in the stealth part, if you do it'd probably take more than an hour), right before the raven fight.

If you want to say mgs4's cut scenes are too long, then fine, just say so, you're entitled to an opinion. But don't just make crap up.

[Lord Cheese]

i know how long i played for.

i'm perfectly willing to accept my estimates are off (there was some install time in there too), but i wasnt making anything up.

[BoneMagnus]

He's still bitter that despite his success and his Diablo, he couldn't get a date with Jade Raymond.

[The playa]

Its a Gallardo dipsh!t wow

[LiquifiedArt]

Cliffy has been riding the Coat-tails of Gears of War for almost a year now. The Microsoft Hype train has boosted his ego. I'm sorry, but gears of war is nothign special at all. Its a mainstream Gun fest.

Zero Depth, Zero Story, Zero,Zero,Zero. MGS even if it isnt your prefereed Genre actually has "THOUGHT" put into the story. I mean come no guys, its like comparing a civic with a loud exhaust to an Aston Martin Vanquish. NO COMPARISON.

In-fact that Comparison can be used for the Xbox vs. PS3 as well.

[Alcohog]

These nerds should really just stay behind the scenes. Its just embarrassing.

[SuperSharpShooter]

Hes a Twat he is!!

[MIAMIFROST]

I just wanted to be a part of 500+ comments. LOL

[Blackcanary]

Passive entertainment is on its way out. If that is talking about the fantastic Movie like FMV Clips which took me out of my own habittat and made me feel emotion for a game that i didn't think could happen what is Cliffyb gonna say aboy Final FANTASY XIII and Final Fantasy Verus XIII White Knight Story and Kingdom Hearts 3 CAUSE THOES GAMES ARE GONNA BE BIGGER LONGER FMV CLIPS like movies so i don't think Passive entertainment is on its way out.

If u can't make a game like that don't take the piss out of it i say.

[jethro_jones]

Both MGS4 and GeOW2 will without a doubt be a couple of the best games for this generation of gaming, although they are both different games.

Main Point #1 --> If you want a great story, play MGS4 (or you could stop by the library and pick up a couple good books).
Main Point #2 --> If you want great gameplay and action, play GeOW2.

You know I am right so don't even try to disagree.

[PirateThom]

Then why is the gameplay of MGS4 better than GeOW?

[Rayko]

PS3 owners are so sensitive. Ohh my god, the guy who made Gears of war says that Metal Gear sucks buu huu. Then Gears of war sucks super monkey butt, Gears of war is the worst game ever made buu huu bla bla. You are all so silly, all of you PS3 fanboys.......Grow up!

[Wolf873]

It is obvious who needs to actually grow up.

[Wolf873]

Something like Metal Gear is way out of their league, especially for guys who only certify in making a mindless shoot-em-up game that has nothing but gameplay going for it. It is not within everyones capacity to contrive a story/game as deep and as intricate as Metal Gear Solid. It is pretty apparent that the man feels some resentment towards the game as it is something he'll never be able to accomplish in his life-time. Poor guy.

[The Preacher]

Oh well, I guess Cliffy B stuck his foot in his mouth again and again,
yes he did make a statement, right , wrong or whatever.

Let the Good Lord Judge him, let us not judge him ourselves.

Let us enjoy what we have today and do not worry about tomorrow.

I myself didn't like his comment but then again he is human after all, or some might claim he is "god" with the little "g".

Peace

[RAM MAGNUMS]

Mostly all of which Ive seen are on a easy difficulty & The players never use First person Mode for headshots!
Even watching these vids it undeniable how hot the game is but if you are pretty bent on not getting a ps3 like some of these xbutts on here who have been pretending to play the game. You could see why they say cool cinema but you play for 3 minutes and watch a movie!

Ha Ha ha They dont know how seemless the game is!
If they are just watching gameplay vids and boss fights they dont know whats a cinema and what is gameplay!!! Ha Ha haha haha ha!

Alot of the youtube videos use snake in 3rd person only and look pretty uncool to me running away instead of fighting and using First person but every playstyle is different so I wont judge them but OMG!
there are alot of spoiler videos on youtube!

Imagine if you have never played the game, only had gears 1 and halo 3 and still playing cod4 on xbox360 and you watched all the videos on youtube. Wouldnt you hate yourself?

[Masta_Killa]

I'll slap Cliffy B.

[Wolf873]

it is not like his "Opinion" can make any real difference. Hideo probably could say the same thing, that he would never do any generic shooters.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Well what did you expect from a dev that makes games with crap stories? This buddy probably didn't even understand MGS4 story, just too complex

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

LOL Gunstar Heroes Versus Shinobi.
Seriously!!!
I can care less about What different Genre types are better!!
All I care about is Technology!
About 2500 dollars worth of it in my living room!!!
Lets see Unreal Engine in a couple of years! Verus The New CELL/RSX
Multicore Engines!!

UNREAL IS WANING!!!
Look at the World of Uncharted or Heavenly Sword or Lair!!!
And ad to these engines time and more money & staff, and what you get is spectacular stellar games that will put PC engines to past!!!
Ive said this before PC engines only benefit from more RAM that's all!!!!

4-5 years SPU's RSX %90-%100 fully optimized BLuray Capacity full!!
PS3 games Spectacular and Epic!

[Trekster_Gamer]

cry cry when your crappy game is dissed... MGS sucks, Snake is a loser and so is all that think he is such a great game character....

You said it CLIFFY I AM GLAD YOU GUYS DON'T spew forth the garbage that is the MGS series!

[jethro_jones]

MGS4 girls just like games that they can play by themselves offline, because when they try something like GeOW online against other real people, they get owned.

Message to all the MGS4 lovers --> keep feeling men up offline in MGS4 and let the real competitive gamers handle the online battles, whether it be GeOW2, COD4, BF:BC, or Resistance.

[ape007]

hahahahahhaha

snake is a looser hahaha
marcus is the man lololololololololololololololo

man,what kind of brain washed gamer are you

still laughing
hahahahahhahahahlololollololo lol

[Lord_Ash]

I have allot of respect for Epic but there are somethings that they can't do, they could never do a game like MGS 4, they can't even do a decent story which is one of the main attractions in any MGS game, every little pixle in that game is high ris, something they need years to do rather than use the same codes in every game.

Anyway this passive entertainment is actually what we call almost perfect game.

[razorbladelight]

KILL HIM!!! BURN THE RAT BASTARD AT THE STAKE!!! I'LL KILL HIM I WILL!!!! HOLD ME BACK IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU CLIFF!!!
and seven thousand other comments along those lines...

[gsquad]

Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game THAT THEY SHOULD BE TRYING TO MAKE!!!! Lets be real!!!

A game that has an IP run of over 20 years!!!!

Multiple console and system releases everything from Pc's to Xbox to PlayStation, even cell phones!!!!

CliffyB has zero room to talk. This is like Kobe saying that Jordan isn't the best basketball player of our time. Kobe is good any all but he doesn't have as many championships as Jordan to back up the statement. Same with CliffyB, sure he has had some success, but nowhere near the success of Kojima.

Get some more game releases under your belt Cliffy then talk. As a matter of fact say something after Geow has 20 year of game releases behind it!

Till then you have one good game, that did good numbers THAT'S IT!!!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Yes MGS4 is a great game....and maybe everyone needs to re-read the article cause Cliffy B never said it wasn't a great game. Everyone is taking offense to the term "passive game". Why? All he was indicating was that Epic didn't make games that were heavy on cutscenes.

NOT ONCE did he or has he ever said MGS4 is a bad game. The outrage from everyone is just ridiculous on this.

[jethro_jones]

MGS the Michael Jordan of video games??? hahahahahahahahahhahahaahahaha h...

MUUAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAAAH!!!!!

[gsquad]

@Dlacy13g - I agree that he didn't say that MGS4 was a bad game, he said it was passive. I have no problem with that, what I have a problem with is him saying that in conjunction with "passive is on its way out" and "we are not trying to make a game like MGS4.

That is what my post was about, and that's all!

He set him self up with the comment before to look like a stab at MGS4. (which I believe he meant to do without it looking like a direct stab)

What was the point of even mentioning the game? He could have said "We are trying to make the game with an "interactive" experience while telling a great story" and not even mentioned any game what so ever.

This would have been a better way to answer the question. And I think that we can both agree on that!

@jethro_jones - No MGS4 is not Jordan, but Geow IS not Kobe either. Do you have a better analogy?

[jay17pro]

CliffyB fu*k u MGS4 is going to be better than gears of war 2

[jethro_jones]

Nice comment you silly boy

[madjedi]

"MGS4 girls just like games that they can play by themselves offline, because when they try something like GeOW online against other real people, they get owned.

Message to all the MGS4 lovers --> keep feeling men up offline in MGS4 and let the real competitive gamers handle the online battles, whether it be GeOW2, COD4, BF:BC, or Resistance."

Could you be anymore of an egotistical ass if you tried, i enjoy online shooters and while i am not anywhere near the best. I do relatively fine for myself, but i don't think less of someone because they aren't into online fps.

However people like you, that belittle and attack a person, simply because they enjoy a offline experience, and not an online competitive one.
Makes me glad single player games will not be going away, at least offline doesn't have testosterone obessed, you just got pwned noob, players.

Your comment sounds like a cross between something a 15 yr old and one of the retarded mantel troopers would come up with.

It's funny you mention feeling up men in mgs4, whereas in offline and online modes in those other games is a total sausage fest, at least mgs4 has attractive females to look at and take pictures of.

Btw i notice you forgot metal gear online, which is a first or third depending on how you set it up online shooter, which plays alot differently then rfom or cod4 and gears probably, but i guess your just a mgs4 hater.

Competitiveness and testosterone are fine in video games, as long you don't let it go to your head, and act like that again.

[Orange Juice]

Its obvious that "cliffy" is just trying to please his xbox crowd. He knows that the average (exclusivy) xbox 360 gamer is an underage boy, hence the name that he goes by, that will worship anything he says against MGS, thus guaranteeing that many more sales. Hes a smart asshole, but still an asshole none the less.

One good developer should learn to appreciate another good developer instead of letting his 15 minutes go to his head. Simple as that.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I am cracking up. Everyone running to the defense of poor old MGS4 just because someone said they weren't making a more passive game like MGS4. Nobody said its a bad game people....all he did was say in his opinion MGS4 is a more passive game compared to other games that Epic does. And I would have to agree. When the MAJORITY of game play is actually watching cutscenes then yes, your game is going to be more "passive" (i.e. you are watching more than playing) than a game say like UT3 where I think you spend about 20 min at best watching and the rest is gameplay.

MGS4 is a heavily story driven game....story driven games with lots of cutscenes and dialogue tree's (see also mass effect, KOTOR,etc...) are a more passive game. That doesn't make them bad in by any stretch...its just a style of game play/story telling.

Good God, some of you act as though Cliffy B shot your dog and slept with your wife. This has been blown WAY out of proportion!

Good job people...good job!

[Mr_Luke]

I don't know where's the problem, let him talk... Epic doesn't want to make a game like that? Good, noone force him to make a MGS4 clone and dunno why he complains about a game he can avoid without problems. Someone likes the game (me for example, i think it's wonderful) and someone doesn't.
I don't think that if ppl say "this game is xxxx!!" the game suddenly becomes crap =P it's still wonderful according to me, but ofc this is my personal opinion.

[kosha]

Wow ive never seen so many comments on one story

[zonetrooper5]

Well I liked MGS4 and I completed it in 20 hours on solid normal, 10 hours of that was just cutscenes and the rest is gameplay. I love the game, I really do but I just can't see what took up 50GB of space.

[darx]

Can't believe hown many people are smellin Kojima's pee-pee?

[Nevers]

Can we take this flame-thread up to 1000!!! Oh pretty pretty please... READY-SET-GO!!!!

[jlytle1234]

edit:i withdraw my comment. im ashamed i was compelled to comment on this trash. find some class N4G.

[KrimsonKody]

NOTE: No anger, hate or anxiety was experienced while postin'thiz comment.For 1- When Kojima created
MG in itz early dayz, itz purpose was 2 have a lil' more depth than anything during itz time, in which, made the story much more deeper than expect (hence the elaborate, yet extraordinary storyline. Do U guyz actually think Kojima started 2 make MGS and said "WAIT! I want long, LONG cutscene'z! With MGS4 being so long, I see it as Kojima simply finishin' what he started. 2- Gayz of War iz NO comparison 4 MGS. Sonz of Liberty still trumpz GeoW! Dat goez 2 show U the depth involved in creatin' MGS. MGS iz (rather) lifelike, relative 2 what we deal with everyday, from one aspect or anutha. Do U use the lawz of Alegebra to calculate your change givin' after purchasin' something? No, because their 2 different pocketz, if U know what I mean. If U don't know what I mean, then dat kinda validate'z my point about "simplicity and depth". 3- I think This iz a clear case of jealouzy. I'm sure Cliff would LOVE to be in Kojima'z shoes, stature-wise. He'z hayin' because everyone iz lovin' MGS while the hype of Gayz of War 2 iz "...yawn..." okay at best. Kojima has status under his belt, Yearz of credibility. If Cliff wantz 2 be praised like Kojima, then work as hard as he did! Oh, and the passive comment was meant 2 be offensive 2 MGS because why would they compare the two? I mean honestly? THERE'Z NOOOO COMPARISON? He'z probably leashin' out in XBox defense, but didn't U read your XBox manual, Cliff? It statez to take momentarial breakz in between speakin' rubbish and gettin' high off "dat 80'z stuff", because sh!t and Feces beginz dribblin' out ya mouth! This iz the 2nd most common downfall for XBox-maidenz,next to the red ring of death. EDIT: IF U ASK ME, THE RED RING OF DEATH OPERATEZ MUCH LIKE "FOXDIE"!?! =)

[ape007]

cliffy b
stfu
why all this hate to mgs

Imagin if mgs was american made game

100% on both gamerankings and metacritec

I stiil remember those awesome days mgs1(1998)

I finished gears of war 1 many times on insane and play it to death

it's in 2006 and when I think about gears of war

I bearly remeber anything

I just remember crappy berserker fights and the crappy hammer of dawn and the crappy caves of chapter 3 with all those crappy cutscenes in it speciall when marcus and dome falls down and the crappy mine cart scene,etc,etc

but when I think about mgs1(1998) I remember
sicho mantis
ocelot
lequid
darba chief
alaska
the ninja
myrel
otacon
sniper wolf
ciggs
etc
etc

hey cliffy you don't have a chance

[Morgue]

It's the media and post's like these that blow everything out of proportion.

[Jake1111]

I have both 360 and PS3 and have played the crap out of GOW and I am on act 3 in MGSIV.

My honest opinion (No fanboyage) is that MGSIV is superior in all aspects regardless of cinema length etc.

AI Must better and more realistic for MGSIV

Graphics. Both on par but are more crisp on MGSIV and much more overall detail on MGSIV.

Stealth or run and gun in MGSIV. There is no way this game is passive when it lets you choose how you want to play it.

Sound and music is completely amazing in MGSIV. Seemed very compressed in GOW.

The shear size of MGSIV. (using the IPOD, the weapons and add ons, the MKII, etc etc etc.) This game definitely shows off the Blue Ray.

So basically to rebuttle Cliffy Bs statement. Yes, Cliff, GOW was a great game. I truly had a blast with it. But it was way too short, the boss battles (besides the berzerker) were completely basic and a waste of time, and the overall amount of detail was low. However, MGSIV although may seem passive can be played in non stealth as well and is epic in proportion.

MGSIV in my opionion exceeds GOW in every category.

[Funky Town_TX]

after watching game play footage it looks boring. You have to either need a game to play (most PS3 owners) or be a fan of the series.

[chidj2]

cliffyb turn your dreaming mode off its the best for the world

[gameraxis]

cliff should really have more class... i mean throwing down a game that is acclaimed throughout the world is just so childish. i love his games (most of the time) but where he's bashing passive gamming, his and epics games are pretty mindless, not too deep a story, just run and gun fun.

Without the fanboyism attached, i guess what i'm trying to say is its much easier for Kojima to make a "gears of war" then it is for Cliff to make a "metal gear". why didn't he touch assasins creed? ist obvious hes got jealousy in the veins

[running rampid]

just wow at the insane amount of controversy this article has caused. 553 comments so far/ i'm suprised that the n4g website didn't suffer any downtime. :P

[Gun_Senshi]

GeoW is a game.

MGS4 is an art.

[popup]

I am sure Kojima would say the same about Gears. Trouble is that I don't give a crap what either of their opinions are on games they didn't make for the simple reason that I base my buying decisions on what I think!

[murt1987]

Im sorry but if you dont understand that ripten took that out of context for more hits on their site, your a total fanboy or a fool I dunno.

Read the whole interview ;) All this fighting between you lot is funny stuff though, I will admit that. I cant believe how so many people have taken this the wrong way :lol:

Ripten suck for posting that :(

[DarthTigra]

Wow 560+ plus comments we really are defensive of metal gear lol.

[The1andonlyAK47]

MGS4 is a great game but i think that gears 2 is gonna own when it hits the stores. If gears 1 is so borin why do so many people still play and enjoy it on a daily basis.

Bottom line, Gears 2=GOTY in my opinion

[Chronopath]

GOW (gears of war) is a fun game. Its one of the main reasons I'l buy an Xbox. Although I don't see why, why oh why, he has to bring up MGS when no one would even compare MGS and GOW to begin with. Its like comparing soymilk and water. Of course you drink both but they taste entirely different!

...Now If you were to compare say... gears fo war and all of Epics other games... Then well thats like comparing twins.

But seriously, the guy didnt seem to be bashing the game. He just said that he doesnt wanna make games that get 10/10s or games that form a strong fan base. Heh.

[mabreu]

When is it going to end? I don't think my comment about this news would be worth it but here goes nothing.

The way I see it, CliffyB said a slightly negative comment about MGS4. This causes friction between PS3 and X360 gamers. Kojima said nothing about GeOW and he does not have to. This gives me the perspective that CliffyB is at a lower status than Kojima.

He started a fight so gamers can focus attention on him and his GeOW2 and not focus on MGS4.

[FFXI101]

I'm a Sony/PS3 fanboy, but I gotta tell you, Gears of War was the best game on 360 when it came out. I had great deal of fun to play it solo and online. To me, it was(and still is) way better than any Halo game. It brings out something fresh something different than most shooter game, it also shows the potential of 360 and it's performance.

In this case, MGS4 is the same. It shows what a powerful system PS3 is, and what a great developer like Kojima could do to crate a masterpiece that no one has ever done it before. I know some of the gamers were worry about the game would be similar to Splinter Cell(all stealth no action), but the truth is you can play the game anyway you want. You can play as shooter or you can play as stealth with little strategy involved. There're also different ways and lvls for you to beat the game with lots reward.

To me, it is a perfect game in everyway. I never had that kinda emotion and reaction to play video games like I did when play through the MGS4(especially from the beginning of Act5 till the end of the game) I even had tears..yeah. So to dis a game like MGS4, really shows you have no respect and unappreciate the effort that Kojima and his team put in to develop this game(and how ignorant & retarded you are) Btw my PSN and gamer tag are the same - FFXI101 feel free to add me(I no longer have the 360 after going through 4 of them)

[Solid_Snake666]

gears dosent even get close to how deep MGS4 is the camo the box hiding the barrel the guns the stun knife the slit throats ...huh Gears just go out and blast aliens ....my frineds MGS is a strategy game you just cant go out and shoot or u will get your ass killed

[Mr PS3]

When you've Created a legacy like hideo
And not a 1 hit wonder like yourself

[7h3ultim8p00]

Lol, Sony fanboys! Lol! 566 comments! Hahahaha wow.
Geeze man. Chill out. It's just not cliffy's type of game.
Bottom line is this: This is ONE MAN's opinion. Quit acting so fuking insecure. You've played the game. You know whether it's a good game or not. Who cares what he says? Lol! 566 comments and counting.

Damn you guys are SOOOO DEFENSIVE!! Like little girls hahaha. I swear, this topic just cemented the fact that most PS3 fanboys are as insecure as teenage girls.

By the way, MGS4 is a giant heap of elephant sh!t lol.

[HardcoreGamer]

its quite obvious he dissed it in a way to say his games are better, this causes more flame war than anything else, so he should of really said, that and people shouldnt really take it that bad,

i know mgs4 is like the friggin cooooolest game out there right now, but im also guessing even tho it is that goood, ppl sitll diss it and im sure they just wanna give it the credit it derseves,

btw i dont think the game has less action its all up to the player, i do loads of slap, like an hour of stuff before i progress to the next checkpoint

[infamous-butcher]

they want to keep making games that have barely any story and game play so the gamer replayes the agme over and over to their moneys worth, therefor getting bored of the game, meening they get overly excited when the next instalment of the franchise comes out and the cycle gos on and on.
mgs4s game play alone lasts longer than a GoW game. add the cut scenes and were chattn about 2 or 3 times the length.i got 7 hours game play 2nd time round rushin to get the solar gun (and 2500000 DP).

[dar36]

CLIFF SHOULD REALLY WATCH WHAT HE SAYS. I LOST A LITTLE RESPECT FOR HIM WITH THAT COMMENT. I THOUGHT HE HAD MORE CLASS THAN THAT. HE IS ONE OF FEW DEVELOPERS THAT I THINK IS COOL. GOW WAS A GREAT GAME TRULY A CLASSIC BUT AS FAR AS GAMEPLAY,INNOVATION AND FUN U CAN'T EVEN COMPARE GOW TO MGSIV

[kornbeaner]

You guys are lame, both the defenders and offenders.

MGS4 is (to me anyway) the greatest game I have played, before this it was FF VII. There have been great games that I have played but none like MGS4. Cliffy B's comments don't change my preceptive on that. he is who he is, and I really think he was taking out of context.

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but even if he meant it the way it sounded, so what MGS4 is still my #1 game.

[7h3ultim8p00]

Dude, BUBBLES! More people need to be like you. WHo care what cliffy says. They all want our money.

[7h3ultim8p00]

I've played MGS4, and I'm sorry fanboys. I DIDN'T like it at all. It was a good game, but I just didn't like it. It's like semi-movie, semi-game. The plot was intriguing, but I couldn't understand anything. The game IS passive. I swear. It actually took me about 15-20 minutes to actually START playing the game. I don't own a PS3, but I'm at my cousin's for the holidays and that's ALL he plays on the PS3. I tried to get into it, but I got very bored. It DID feel passive a lot of times, especially for someone like me who has been playing Ninja Gaiden 2. I appreciate the game. It looks and sounds great, but it just felt really boring.

[crank]

I think cliffy just ruined a couple of his sales

DUMBA**

and it is true

if GEARS is on the way in count me out

that game had no story, nano thin characters that were ridiculous and insulting

yes the gameplay was 'cool', if anything else

but come on cliffy

this is kojima

you aren't even in the same league buddy

so learn a few words of wisdom

and actually make the gameplay segments in your OWN GAME LONGER THAN THE GAMEPLAY SEGMENTS IN MGS4 (without cutscenes)

dooshbaggery at its finest....

[GamerForever]

Bunch of whiners all of you. GEOW2 will simply own any game that came out on every console and it wont be surpassed easily. Many ps3 owners will eventually buy a 360 just to experiance geow2. Its never too late to jump in.

[codeazrael]

Cliffy B simply made a comment, not flaming MGS4. Why all the hate in here? Gears of War to me was the most satisfying shooter I have ever played with graphics, gameplay mechanics, and extremely short load times, and for a game that was released within the 360's first year of life, GeOW is still one of the most impressive games on ANY system. That being said, we all knew from the get go that MGS4 was going to be complicated, thus not as widely accepted as a game like GeOW, but that doesnt mean the game is not a masterpiece. I have played some of it and was thoroughly impressed. Me personally, I have no problems with the cutscenes, but if you do, then maybe you should pass on this game. It is refreshing to play a game that give you a substantial cutscene at the end of the game, as that has been the whole purpose of me playing a game, to get some sort of reward for finishing the game, and one way to reward is by giving a nice size cutscene playing out cinematically what happened in the story. There will not be a game as complete as GeOW in my opinion as far as the technical aspect, because as MGS4 is a masterpiece, it did not match up to the stellar looking graphics and other totally perfect tech aspects.........(IN MY OPINION) But no matter, if you want to limit your gaming experiences to games like GeOW, then that is fine, but what Kojima has created is something that satisfies in so many different ways that all gamers will not get it, but for the ones who do, they quickly recognize that MGS4 is a unique experience that will not be experienced again anytime soon.

[thehitman]

but Socom is the best 3rd person shooter. End Point.

[codeazrael]

even the previews don't beat Gears. Stating facts not fiction.

[xg-ei8ht]

wtf are you on about. Gears the greatest third person game.

Na, that honour would have to goto Tomb Raider 1.

Then would fall to uncharted.

Gears would be third., and would be second in graphics to uncharted.

[karlostomy]

Guys, why aren't you playing the Game if it is soooo awesome?

I tell you what... if I had MGSIV on the xbox360 right now, then Posting on N4g would be the least of my concerns... I'd be playing it to death and then playing it some more!

... but somehow, you guys are finding hours and hours and hours to defend on n4g against an off-the-cuff comment that upset your delicate sensibilities.

What's going on guys?

[Scions Wrath]

MGS > GOW

[ape007]

cliffy after playing mgs4

I think gears sucks

[ParadoxicalAssassin]

something a developer should never say, because it soils their reputation and the rep of the game they produce itself.

Cheers, for Epic Failure Cliff. That's why Kojima is so highly respected, because he watched his words and was genuine.

I remember Cliffy stating in one of the special MGS4 vids that he was a fan of the series...w/e.

Kojima FTW!!...again.

[mirroredderorrim]

I am contemplating destroying Cliffy B. myself.

[xg-ei8ht]

scottie2521 - I just gave u a bubble. Your comment made me laugh so hard.

MGS4 had 20 years of story to tie up.

i don't even remember Gears story. just shoot the monsters, THEY"LL KILL US ALL!!!...............that's about it.

[Ps3Fanboy777]

Just tired of hearing about it, frankly its not the almighty game its made out to be.

So screw it. Theres other games.