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Sea of Thieves seems to be experiencing a significant PS5 player count drop with over 50% of the Microsoft live-service game's player base no longer playing.
Couple things with this. I'm sure it's fairly common even on online games. My second point. Summer just started so alot of people getting outside, family trips, etc.
Bit early to suggest it's summer/holiday season for the likes of UK, Europe etc. July and August maybe, but not quite yet.
From my perspective(u.s.) it's definitely summer and I imagine that's where a majority of players are. I know Europe and the UK ain't no punks and they game to though.
Yeah...in the UK once we get a single ray of sunshine or get some warm weather we are out there to the beer garden like there's no tomorrow. We cherish the sun we get XD
Still early days though, it won't probably pick up until mid July at this rate.
Yeah. Most people will buy a game, play it for a bit and then put it down for good or come back later. It's completely normal.
And most people don't even finish games (most teams would be quite happy with a 35-40% completion rate).
I'm personally not interested in Sea Of Thieves but it's important to be objective. The game is currently the #11 best selling game on the PS Store and was in the top 5 for weeks.
This happens with literally every online game. They always see a significant drop in players after a few weeks. I don't understand why it keeps getting reported every time like it's some random occurrence. People constantly move from one game to the next. It isn't a new concept.
Also many have a backlog of good games waiting in the wings. Time for the hard workers are limited, so you have to prioritize
The woe of GaaS, they have to fight for playtime against literally every other activity people do on their free time. With non GaaS you can just enjoy what they have to offer, whenever you want to, and move on.
Kids don’t go outside in the US so that’s no excuse here. You see the news out here? Plus they can’t talk to people, maybe that’s the problem w Sea of Thieves, it requires human interaction lol
I don’t know how they expect to flood the market with these GaaS games and expect them to be successful. This seems to be the case, it’s rare for player engagement to be consistent like a Fortnite.
Didn't HellDivers lose a fair percentage of players? They only benefitted from the slow burn and show growth. Sea of Thieves didn't sneak up on anyone, and probably got a large Flux of players and 50 percent staying around is a pretty good number if you ask me
Helldivers is down 400 thousand players on Steam since launch. It's been dropping fast since the PSN debacle.
@Tedakin
Stop lying.
https://n4g.com/news/260442...
"According to Steamdb, on June 12th, before the 01.000.400 update, Helldivers 2 peaked at just 49,125 players on PC, one of the lowest peaks ever seen in the game’s history. However, on June 13th following the most recent update, the PC player count increased by over 86%, peaking at 91,692 players. "
Sea of Thieves is very successful. It probably lost that many because it just released and blew up on playstation and most people won't play it long term. Same thing happened with Helldivers 2. It had almost 500 thousand consecutive players at release and then shortly after it lost half of that. It's normal.
Isn’t the point of GaaS to, like Y’know, keep people playing it consistently while generating recurring revenue through microtransactions designed around walls of progression and battle passes?
How does that translate with multiple GaaS games? A few I get, but let’s not beat around the bush the industry is still focused on these over traditional because according to them if a AAA game is volatile no matter what, might as well go for the model that leeches on the wallets of the consumers.
I hate these types of games. I think the only one I actually enjoyed was Diablo 4 and that already grosses me out with the monetization.
It’s just whenever I see most articles about GaaS titles it’s like 80% on how they’re a failure and it blows my mind that the industry is adamant about shoving these down our throats. Honestly, it feels like they’re going to war with us by continually pushing these out.
Been saying this for years. People who love this game must be easily entertained.
I think if the game launched with what it has today I still don't think it would have gotten the best reviews. Better sure but nothing outstanding.
When you have a game that's set the bar so low at launch, the only way is up so everything looks 10 times better.
Sea of Thieves is 22nd and falling according to time tracker. Not really a chart topper.
Sea of Thieves' PS5 Player Count is Crashing
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Sea of Thieves on PS5 has already lost 58% of players since its launch in April.
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What does it mean? It means that Microsoft can make money putting exclusives on other consoles. No different then Sony putting Playstation exclusives on PC. Just means more revenue and opening the doors to new gamers to enjoy a decent game.
It means Xbox exclusives are disappearing.i don’t think it’ll be too long before we see Game Pass exclusives. Renting games has more profit potential than selling games.
That makes no sense, a full retail game here in my country costs 300 bucks (70 dollars) and a single month subscription gift card can be bought by 20 bucks (5 dollars). If I have no option and want to play the new Gears of War I'll pay 300 bucks, but if I have the option to just rent I can play it and complete it for US$ 5... The company is potentially not earning US$ 65 from me... I am paying around 7% of a full profit. Do you understand what I mean? Renting does not make more profit than selling at all
For those who replay games, buying is the better option. But those who play games once, just buy a 1 month subscription and play the game.
So PS fans do want mcsft exclusives after all, funny lol. As much as fanboys act that they don't care about other platforms' exclusives, they indeed want them too.
"Sea of Thieves lost 58% of its PS5 player base in a single month"
Think you spoke a bit too soon partner.
Microsoft's decision to bring former Xbox console exclusives to PS5 is starting to make a lot of sense. Sea of Thieves, the open world pirate sim that seems to have gone from strength to strength over the years, has actually managed to top the PS Store charts for May 2024.
Ladies and gentlemen here’s what it’s all about at the end of the day, MONEY! MS doesn’t care about exclusives SONY doesn’t care about exclusives. These companies care about their bottom line and if bringing over exclusives from one plastic box to another brings in more money then guess what these companies will do?
I’ve been gaming longer than some of you have been alive so I’ve seen all the stages of gaming and this stage in gaming is the most interesting and defining.
“ I’ve been gaming longer than some of you have been alive”
You can still be wrong..and no one said it wasnt about money when xbox was making exclusives..
Sony wants to move hardware and the only Way that makes sense is provide decent exclusives that cannot be found elsewhere..
Exactly,imo. If exclusives don't exist then how can these companies sell us on their hardware. I really think Xbox is just in a bad spot. Which is why. If they were selling better, etc exclusives would matter. At this point I think Xbox is trying to just come across as the scrawny kid getting bullied. Which is far from the truth.
Exclusives made sense back in the day when games took 2-3 years to make and could be done at a fraction of the price. Today, the cost of game development increases with each year. That on top of the stagnant/declining console market is forcing publishers to expand their reach. Just a matter of time until games are everywhere to cast the widest possible net. I'm surprised ms and sony aren't releasing games on mac.
Yes exclusives take time and money, and in recent years we’ve seen games with ballooning development costs. Which is why I think Sony have been looking at smaller games and exclusive 2nd party games from China and India, and of course South Korea. Yet some would rather try and bash Sony about lack of games, yet not too long ago made excuses on the lack of first party games on the next platforms.
Years ago I said Sony will begin to put games on PC because there was much request to play their games on PC. Xbox did it first, but went day and date, Sony followed a bit later but with a staggered release, because yes they wanted more Money beyond their player base. Eventually there may come a day when we start to see PlayStation games start to migrate to other consoles, we’re kind of seeing it now with the Lego Horizon game letting their IP be used by Lego and put on Switch. Cash rules everything around, get the money where you can but don’t let greed be the downfall.
Sony still believes in exclusives unless it's LS stuff.
It sounds like their sp stuff will be exclusive or timed exclusive because they'll end up on PC after sometime.
What exclusives does Sony have that can’t be found on PC? PS5 is nothing more than a timed release exclusive machine. I’m not wrong at all the proof is there. Deny all you want but exclusives are dying.
Exclusives mattered more when the differences in the platforms were noticeable. Now... not so much.
He is still wrong. Pointing out age makes no difference. You either receive wisdom or you don't. All age does is make you more stubborn and senile over time.
So to the point at hand. MS doesn't care about exclusives because their games don't sell on Xbox. There are tok few Xbox owners for their games to easily be successful.
Sony on the other hand...their games sell loads almost every time. They don't mind double dipping in the PC market but they won't double dip into other consoles with their 1st party.
Companies care that you stay in their ecosystem and exclusivity helps that tremendously.
I mean no shit it is about the money. But to say exclusives don't matter is quite ignorant. Just why exactly do you think that Sony and Nintendo are selling boatloads more consoles than Microsoft?
Microsoft has essentially abandoned that because their lack of exclusives sent everyone to Playstation and Nintendo.
Don't think for one second if Microsoft had outsold Playstation 2 to 1 that Microsoft would have done this.
Exclusives don’t hold as much weight as they used to. It’s ignorant to think that Sony won’t follow the money and release their games on other platforms. You people still think these companies care about these silly console wars?
I don't think we're saying that exclusives don't matter anymore, it's just that it is not sustainable to not have your games in as many places as possible these days. Unless we all collectively agree to go back to 16 bit games, exclusives will become less and less of a thing in the near future.
@speak
Exclusives still hold the same weight. MS exclusives stopped holding weight for years and years.
I personally only care about the games being good so it's not that exclusives hold weight...games do.
Almost important to point out that Microsoft is a software company and games are software,
Yes. This is always in the back of my mind. Microsoft is primarily a software company, Sony a hardware company. Early on, Microsoft wanted to buy Nintendo but when they didn’t go for it, they developed the Xbox. And all those people saying exclusives don’t matter, if you dial it all the way back, you don’t have Xbox without Halo Combat Evolved.
@Psychonaut85, absolutely exclusives mattered back then. That's how these gaming giants were built. But now that these publishers are more established, they need to find new audiences to show continued growth to their shareholders. That's the pickle we're all in now. It's all about the shareholders to these corporations.
Sony very much cares about exclusives hence why they still release them. They also care A LOT about console sales and exclusives are critical towards that.
Their situation isn't Xbox's.
I think if you really listen and look at sonys recent actions, you'll see the opposite is true. Sony recently stated that they will use DAUs as their main metric instead of console sales going forward. They are also releasing their first game on the Nintendo switch this year. Ps4 sony would never have done that.
Pretty sure MLB the show has released on switch. Also as far as Lego horizon, we don't really know the inside details of that
@shinoff2183
MLB the Show was forced to go multiplatform from MLB themselves if they wanted to keep the MLB exclusive license.
@ThinkThink
They can expand and still retain the importance of exclusives (which is exactly what they’ve expressed and what they’re doing). Any random predictions stating otherwise are wishful thinking or totally clueless.
The only thing interesting about this stage of gaming is that the platform built by the biggest company in the world is about to completely fail
Are we talking about apple arcade or Microsoft? I don't see a world where either of those platforms completely fail.
'MS doesn’t care about exclusives SONY doesn’t care about exclusives.'
Lol. Stop trying to project MS' problems on to Playstation, MS are doing this because they dropped a whopping 80 billion and their console sales have slumped shockingly bad levels, PS5 is outselling X1 by like 4-5 at the moment.
Why would Sony start releasing games on Xbox consoles? Software sales there are very poor and cannibalised by Gamepass (proven in the court documents) and it wouldn't be doing them any favours at all. It's not the same the other way around, many more PS5s sold, software sales are waaaay higher as well. Next you'll try to claim Nintendo will release mario on Xbox, despite the switch selling 140 million units, for some reason, where is the money to be made by either of them releasing on Xbox Series?
Nobody can predict the future 100%, but expecting PS games on Xbox consoles is pure copium, Sony will continue with the so far relatively successful start of some staggered releases on PC with live service being day and date.
PC isn't Sony's main competitor, never has been. So them releasing some games on PC 2 years later really means nothing.
If what you are saying is true, Sony would be releasing on Xbox. We know that isn't happening.
It's a major shift.
Xbox is leading the charge but for some reason people pretend that Playstation is still the Playstation of old.
The Playstation of old would have rather let MLB go than allowing it to go to Xbox AND launch day one on gamepass every year!
Destiny 3 and Marathon would be exclusive. Lego Horizon would have never been on the Switch. Playstation games would never go to PC!
The industry is changing rapidly. The console war era is over. Xbox lost. This new era is something else. The game has changed.
We have yet to see what it's gonna turn into.
The only company that hasn't changed is Nintendo. And I honestly think they're gonna feel that real soon. They've been coasting on nostalgia from millenials and they bought their kids a switch. But I don't think they can keep relying on nostalgia for much longer.
MS is releasing their games on other platforms because Xbox hardware sales are dead in the water and Gamepass alone cannot cover the costs of game development and maintaining the Gamepass library. PlayStation is in no such predicament. They are the global market leader in the video game console industry with both great hardware and software revenues. Yes, AAA development costs are rising and PlayStation has been forced to consider releasing their games on PC for additional revenue but their hardware business is thriving, unlike Xbox. Releasing their first-party games on rival hardware would negatively impact their own hardware sales. How much money can they possibly make by releasing their games on a dying hardware platform with a tiny installed base? Playstation releasing their first-party games on Xbox is nothing but wishful thinking by Xbox fans just because Xbox was forced to release their games on Playstation.
What do you consider to be a "tiny install base?" A million, 10 million, 20 million? I can't remember the numbers that someone posted a few years back as to how many units a port would need to sell to make it worth porting. I think it was less than a million, but don't quote me.
But people are saying that gamers will care less about the green company the more they go third party. How ever could this be...
I mean... Gamers will care less about Xbox because they'll be moving to PlayStation. Not that they won't be interested in the next Halo/Gears/Elder Scrolls whatever... But it's just a software company vs. an entire platform
Why would gamers move from xbox to playstation? Can you think of a time in history where xbox Isnt stronger than it is now? That on top of the rumor that the next xbox will allow your to play steam and epic store games? I don't understand where this xbox is dying nonsense is coming from. If you like playstation, just play where it makes you happy.
They already are. Look at console sales.
And once you have hardware with Epic and Steam on it, that's a PC, not a console. You think Xbox is stronger than ever? Dude... You've gotta be trolling
I want Xbox to release hardware that supports the gaming stores from Windows. How is that a bad thing?
Console sales don't impact the fun I get from the games I play. If they do for you, that's a you problem and is pretty weird.
So sales charts, is that based on titles actually selling, or does it include all revenue spent in game? I feel like for GTAV to alway be near the top it has to be including shark cards and shit. Also, I wonder what the split is for Sea of Thieves, like what do Sony, Microsoft and Rare get respectively?
I'd suppose it would be the standard 3rd party affair, can't imagine why it would be any different. Microsoft owns Rare so that's irrelevant and Sony gets their standard 30% digital royalty.
Every time you include GTA 5 in the conversation standard logic goes out the window. If it is based on Rev it's still just as shocking. I think it's safe to say that GTA 6 will top the charts for at least the next couple of decades.
Very interesting that Sea of Thieves is at the top of PS sales list, but that’s what happens when games are released, people buy and try them.
After awhile the polish thins and the game isn’t as shiny anymore so it starts to lose its appeal to some. Seems that’s what’s happening to Helldivers as articles are saying it’s losing its player base, I’m guessing as newer games are released. Same thing seems to be happening with Sea of Thieves also, losing a big portion of its PS5 player base, no word on PS4 but I can see those numbers holding steady a while longer.
https://www.truetrophies.co...
The new cope: Sony is not into exclusives anymore because of a Lego game. Jesus.
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