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Ellie Is The Worst Character In The Last Of Us 2 (Spoilers)

Ellie's behavior in TLOU2 is a constant disappointment.

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ziggurcat1451d ago

You can't claim someone has acted out of character when it's taking place years after the first game. She's not 13/14 years old anymore, and her personality would have gone through some changes. Also, her actions are quite common for someone who is hell bent on revenge - it causes people to act rather selfishly, which would have been true in the case of this game. These "X character is acting out of character" claims are utter nonsense.

Game-ur1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

characters are all bad because of the writing.

"actions are quite common for someone who is hell bent on revenge"

just exposes the naive knowledge about humanity and it's history, can't help but think Druckerman lived a sheltered life and only experienced these concepts through a book or 2.

Hakuoro1451d ago

It's a video game featuring fictional characters in a fictional world.

And the fact that murder and robberies and other crime happens daily in real life shows that people don't act in predictable or rational ways. Heck what one person sees as completely rational will be seen by another as completely irrational.

Just because a person (especially when fictional) doesn't act the way you want them to doesn't make that wrong.

P_Bomb1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

Read The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang, I believe. Humanity is more than capable of going out of character. Ellie has her motivation. Plus some PTSD to remind her just in case.

oakshin1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

Agreed not that it's a bad thing but it's easy to spot people that's been though "life" at a early age and those who haven't

It's not just different strokes but different environments upbringings

Easy life's and hard life's are easy to spot

It will mold you nodoubt

Veneno1451d ago

Druckman is Israeli. He knows a thing or two about never ending war.

Game-ur1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

@Hakuoro
robberies are actual rational, just not moral. they are mostly prevented by the force of law. we have all witnessed what happens in the absence or weakness of law.

what makes the revenge saga in this game unbelievable is stakes and the cost. traveling ling distance should be very difficult. that was actually a fundamental plot device in the 1st game but in this game it's a casual decision to abandon those who need you to travel 100's of miles in search for vengeance.

@P_Bomb1h
"Rape of Nanking" is humans acting in character. things like that still happen in the world today. this is what I mean by sheltered life

bouzebbal1451d ago

She is so irrelevant.. 10hours in and still so bored of it. Worst pair in gaming, Ellie and Dina 🤢🤢🤢

SPOIL
I think it's so bad written especially when she's trying to take revenge for the main protagonist who gets barely mentioned.. His disappearance is the biggest disappointment and letdown.
No funeral, no sad moment.. Joel losing his daughter in the first one was what made that game one of the best ever.. I felt no anger, no sorrow in Ellie, and didn't feel nothing but disappointment as a player

TheKingKratos1451d ago

*I think it's so bad written especially when she's trying to take revenge for the main protagonist who gets barely mentioned.. His disappearance is the biggest disappointment and letdown.
No funeral, no sad moment*

Hmmmmm.. what ? You sure you are playing the game

Nitrox1451d ago

It’s important to keep in mind that this is all taking place in a lawless “society” where survival in many instances relies on kill or be killed.

Morality in this fictional world should be looked at with that context. It is more tribal. There is no more collective “humanity” in this fictional world, just “us” and “them” tribes. Revenge is a primal response that fits perfectly in a world where there’s little else to lose.

P_Bomb1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

"Rape of Nanking is humans acting in character. things like that still happen in the world today.”

You saying that default Japanese character is to murder maim and torture?! Not all Japanese soldiers were like that. People are malleable.

“this is what I mean by sheltered life“

Stay in school kids.

Game-ur1450d ago

@P_Bomb

saying that's what soldiers do to those they conquered. this happens today in Syria, Libya, Iraq. humans are sold as cattle today.

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zackeroniii1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

just when i thought we've reached peak clickbate...i see this article.

my oh my are these "journalists" outdoing themsleves i'm actually impressed i wonder how long it took for this dude to come up with this one... he probably had to dig really deep into his magic hat...

not to mention screen rant has been churning out an absurd amount of TLOUP2 articles like clockwork. when they have no material they gotta find the next big thing to talk about for clicks...

VariantAEC1450d ago

@ziggurcat
"Also, her actions are quite common for someone who is hell bent on revenge - it causes people to act rather selfishly, which would have been true in the case of this game."

Any current day examples you want to share? Perhaps with the police?
Ah no or you don't have any?

Either way you've just proved that your whole "everyone is out for revenge" bullet-point dead wrong. I can't think of really any situations where violence was for revenge outside of the cinema and even then not many movies I watch are about getting revenge. Plenty of books games and movies about how bad violence is though...

Imagine thinking The Last of Us Part II is the only story to talk dirty about revenge or even the only game.
Just sad.

ziggurcat1449d ago

I don't think you really read what I was saying.

VariantAEC1449d ago

Hmmm, well let's try this. How far off the mark was I in understanding what you meant?
Please explain.

Spicyram1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

Ellie is the strongest character in the game by a country mile, and Laura Bailey once again delivered a masterclass.

Mel was the worst character for me, found her annoying 😂

TheKingKratos1451d ago

Hated her .. had no idea how Owen was able to leave Abby for her

Mr Marvel1451d ago

I agree, Mel and Dina were the worst and most annoying characters.

TricksterArrow1451d ago

I think Mel is a bit annoying, but I don't think we get to know her all that much... Aside from Owen, most of Abby's friends weren't really all that developed, and that's fine, the game wasn't about them.

VariantAEC1449d ago

If you don't like her friends how can you like her? I mean it's one thing to have characters like Tess who die early on and a totally different thing entirely to have these characters around you the whole time that you feel like you know next to nothing about. That's yet another hallmark of poor storytelling.

TricksterArrow1448d ago

"If you don't like her friends how can you like her?"

Easily. She is not her friends.

Hakuoro1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

Ya know I am notching a trend well actually I knew this would happen based on what happened to past games. Where people who are really mad about the political narrative of a game make up every excuse to harm the game other than saying the real reason they don't like the game is political.

It''s totally not not the gay representation that I hate I promise, it's the story or it's the characters or the animations are weird or it's has a bug, but it's definitely not political. Even though I have repeatedly said in prior conversations that i don't like gay people or brown people or female main characters or whatever the game in question has, nope it's not those things....

starchild1451d ago

It's obvious you're a leftist just by the way you frame the complaints about the political messaging. Everybody that disagrees with you is always labeled a raaacist. It seems to be the only thing you people know how to say.

I've always said I dislike the leftist propaganda in the game and I'm tired of having this crap shoved down my throat in so many movies, tv series and games.

Imagine how you would feel if every time you turned around another game, movie or series you were looking forward to went through sudden changes in order to shoehorn in some right-wing political messaging. I'm sure you would hate it as much as we do.

Intersectionality is a poisonous doctrine. People who have absorbed this worldview won't even notice when it's present.

In any case, if it were just the politics it might leave a bad taste in the mouth but the game itself might otherwise still be great. But I, and many others, feel they made major mistakes in terms of what they did with the characters and narrative. Which for many of us was the main attraction to the series in the first place.

Hakuoro1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

My world view is treating everyone as equals and not judging people by skin color religion or who they want to have sex with.

"Intersectionality is a poisonous doctrine. People who have absorbed this worldview won't even notice when it's present."

Is this like how the US is losing it's democracy to voter suppression, gerrymandering, unchecked violations to the constitution like using active military to suppress peaceful protests, repeated violations of election laws and using the justice department which is supposed to be an independent law enforcement agency to serve political interests being ignored by the right?

Hate is a poisonous doctrine..People absorbed in that world view don't even notice the country falling to totalitarian fascism..

Edit: Ya know I think the right wing ideology can pretty much be summed up in the objection to wearing face masks in public during a global pandemic. You don't wear the mask to protect yourself you wear it to protect others and the right fails this basic test of humanity.

The right wing message has become little more than "don't ask me to show other people respect".

starchild1451d ago

@Hakuoro
I didn't want to get too far into the politics--I mainly wanted to make the point that I have never shied away from expressing my displeasure at the political messaging inserted into the game--but I do want to answer some points you brought up.

First, I am a libertarian and I believe strongly in judging people as individuals not as faceless units of a group. I believe everybody must be treated equally and fairly under the law and that we should hold social values that encourage individuals to judge others as individuals. I have love for all good people, no matter what their race, gender, origin, etc.

As it so happens, this is exactly why I fiercely oppose the related doctrines of cultural Marxism, identity politics, intersectionality and critical race theory. These are truly irrational and destructive belief systems. All SJWs operate on the ideas and assumptions present in these doctrines.

What they do is divide everybody up into different groups based on race, gender and other categories, then they assign moral merit to these different groups based on their supposed level of "privilege" or "victimhood". This creates a hierarchy where "privilege" is bad and "victimhood" is good.

They don't want equality of treatment or an individualist merit-based society, they merely want to create a new hierarchy. Basically what it amounts to is people engaging in prejudice and then justifying their prejudice by deluding themselves into believing that it's all ok by framing their prejudice as being anti-prejudice. Truly perverse.

As far as your largest middle paragraph, it's full of so much nonsense and untruths that I'm not even going to bother getting into those topics. Each of those claims would need more time and space to address than I have here. The only thing I will say is that it's true that both leftists and conservatives have made attacks on the constitution and individual liberty, but the greatest number and most radical infringements have certainly come from the left.

Finally, I think you are mischaracterizing right-wing people as somehow all being against wearing masks in public. This is far from true. Many right-wing people advocate wearing masks. I myself always wear a mask in public and encourage my friends and family to do the same.

cesar41450d ago

starchild everything you said is just victim blaming.

Hakuoro1450d ago (Edited 1450d ago )

"They don't want equality of treatment or an individualist merit-based society, they merely want to create a new hierarchy. Basically what it amounts to is people engaging in prejudice and then justifying their prejudice by deluding themselves into believing that it's all ok by framing their prejudice as being anti-prejudice. Truly perverse."

So a person who wants someone to stop harassing them is wrong for wanting people to stop? People wouldn't be asking for change if their wasn't a problem. When racism, sexism and homophobia stop people will stop asking for change, not the other way around.

What your saying is people should just deal with hate until the people causing the hate decide to act as "enlightened as you claim you are" but that's not how reality works. People who espouse hate will not willingly stop. You're putting the cart before the horse racism causes "SJW's" not the other way around.

As the saying goes, A man doesn't ask for water before they get before they get thirsty.

You don't think voter suppression is real? In Texas since the supreme court invalidated provisions in the voting rights act Texas has closed well over 100 polling sites greater than 80% of those sites have been in minority communities making it so many people have to travel 20 or more miles to get to polling centers that are going to be packed on a weekday when they probably need work.

Here is a google link pick your news organization to read about how bad the polling situation has become not surprisingly mostly in red states. This is not opinion this is what is happening.

https://bit.ly/3g3XunR

And as for gerrymandering and election rigging.

In Michigan the Democrats can have over 20% greater voter turnout and still not control the state Congressional houses and that is a common thing in many states that have been gerrymandered using computer modeling. Let me remind you in the last presidential election Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote by 3 million votes which is just another example of systemic failures in the electoral process.

Here are links to Republicans admitting they gerrymander. It's not opinion.

https://bit.ly/2NBTq1Z

See the problem is that the Republicans have chosen exclusion but the rate of "minorities" which in their terms has even become women it becomes harder and harder for them to gain more votes than the Democrats who all the people who feel excluded by the Republicans are forced to turn to. That is the whole start of the modern white nationalist movement.

Just look at this image to see the difference in incoming house members from 2018's election. It's clear what the primary difference between the two groups are. The Republicans are all white men except one woman. The Democratic incumbents are half female and includes many people from all the other minorities groups. And that's because the Republicans for my whole life have increasingly excluded groups of people.

https://bit.ly/2YDCj6g

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Dragonscale1451d ago

Really. So basically if you don't like the game its because you are a bigot or a phobe or a nazi, as usual. Get screwed with that nonsense.

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VariantAEC1449d ago

What about this games story was great, new to games as a medium, done better than any similar game stories if any? And since we're leaving the politics at the door, the use of LGBT+ characters is totally irrelevant mentioning them gives you nothing in the way of credibility unless you can prove that including their sexuality was critical to the story and couldn't be done with non-LGBT+ characters.

I'll wait.

Hakuoro1449d ago

You're now the one telling the story. Did Lord of the Rings need Elves and Dwarves? Why do you get to decide what fiction needs and doesn't need?

VariantAEC1447d ago

Hakuoro
So you couldn't find anything decent about the story of The Last of Us Part II?
I rest my case.

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FanboySpotter1451d ago

I'm gonna pretend you meant to type Abby and then agree with the title.

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The Last of Us Part 2 reportedly PC ready, and has been for months

The development of the The Last of Us Part II PC port has been complete since November 2023, according to a reliable insider

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gold_drake12d ago

probably waiting for the new season to air

just_looken12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Your right as soon as the hype wheel is ready for that show there going to drop it on pc.

But the real question is will this pc port be able to run 1080p on a 4090 as the last naughty dog pc port they helped make it was a dumpster fire.

Like i said before the current naughty dog team is just a glorified port studio but even then they have a hard time actually doing it right.

Yes ps blind boys naughty dog worked on pc ports
https://www.pcgamer.com/nau...

neutralgamer199212d ago

Looken

Your information is good but you need to stop calling names and start trying to have a real conversation. Fanboys of any product are extreme but that doesn't mean vast majority of gamers are just that "gamers"

RaidenBlack12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

... and the water's wet
But I'd prefer the Uncharted trilogy port over this one, tbh
Just porting Uncharted 4 and 4.5 to PC was not the best idea.

Inverno12d ago

Water isn't wet, but definitely want he Uncharted trilogy on PC.

truthBombs12d ago

Original Uncharted trilogy is my fav of the series. That is a worthy port to PC not 4 imo

just_looken12d ago

No doubt they need more help as the og's left the building so the uncharted 1-3 port would take actual skill/knowledge along with the source code/audio files/voice files.

If only niel D lost didn't loose over 80% of the team that made the company he is "running" and turned into a port studio.

Doge12d ago

It'll probably be announced and released on Friday.

Inverno12d ago

Yeah it could be a game fest announcement and release.

fsfsxii12d ago

Hope the PC crowd enjoy 4 year old leftovers lmao

DustMan12d ago

The PC master race looks down upon you mockingly knowing they are in every way superior gamers to you console simpleton.

ocelot0712d ago

Even the ones that have a £50 dell Optiplex and put in a 1650 that's weaker than a series S?

RaidenBlack12d ago

@ocelot07
Yes,
Atleast they dont make comments like the above.

truthBombs12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

for everytime you say that, the library of PS games on PC grows bigger. This year, Helldivers 2, Horizon Forbidden West, Ghost of Tsushima, GOW Ragnarok has a release date for this year and now TLOU2? Hmm.

Potentially 6 titles in one year. It keeps stacking.

Aphrodia12d ago

DON'T FORGET ABOUT CONCORD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

Cockney12d ago

Pc guys are loving it right now, banger after banger its one hell of a year

just_looken12d ago

If only the new sony leadership was not hell bent on region locking down there pc games to avoid better sales and get more ps accounts even though pc players do not want a jank exposed ps account that has all there personal info ready for another data breach and or just gets sold off.

I still and will never link my old ps account to my steam account the sony tos is to strict i do not want to get my ps account banned because i left my vpn on or sony things rgb is a hacker tool or some other BS.

Tedakin12d ago

When TLOU2 is announced, Spider-Man 2 will be pretty much the only notable PS5 first party game not on PC.

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FPS_D3TH12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Lmao you probably bought this twice because ps5 have nothing good to play. My backlog of games is too big for me to even care it exists on PC let alone how bad the first one launched on PC. Sony wouldn’t be releasing it on pc if they didn’t need $$$

PrinceOfAnger12d ago

Will you enjoy Gears 5 and Sunset over drive + Ori games on PS5 after 3/5 years?

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Destiny108012d ago

i might have to upgrade my gtx 560 to a gtx 750ti

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Monopoly Go Devs Spent More On Marketing Than It Cost To Develop The Last Of Us 2

The game's huge marketing budget has worked out for it, bringing in $2 billion revenue in its first 10 months of release.

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ChasterMies89d ago

That’s how it is with most movies. Why should it be any different with games?

Eonjay88d ago

It could also be that development cost were just very very low.

Kaii89d ago

I think it's about time for government agencies to step into mobile gaming and look around, this is shit.

just_looken89d ago

Do not worry 82yr old joe biden is on it he will have 88-100 year old friends in the government to fire up there talky box's.

The_Hooligan12d ago

There definitely should be an age limit on politics. I mean the full retirement age is 67 so why do we have people in their 70s and 80s in politics. I think the cut-off age should be 70 if not 75 and that's it. We got politicians who can't even form a sentence, stand up straight, walk down a flight of stairs but somehow are in charge of making decisions for everyone.

just_looken12d ago

@hool

100% correct but looks like another 4 years of either a 80yr old or a felon that wants a purge to happen

franwex12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You’re not the target audience. They know you won’t download it and pay micro transactions, so why spend money marketing to you?

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You almost got a version of The Last of Us 2 inspired by Bloodborne

A new The Last of Us 2 documentary reveals that Naughty Dog almost made a different version of the PS4 and PS5 game similar to Bloodborne.

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Scissorman134d ago

Just make a new IP with the same concept. :)

toxic-inferno134d ago

Or just release a remaster of Bloodborne 😛

rippermcrip134d ago

Kind of a misleading comparison. They were simply talking about the game being melee oriented and more of an open world. I wouldn't compare a game to a soulslike based on that.

toxic-inferno134d ago

Open world in a very specific sense though. The sense of exploration and discovering shortcuts within a large, challenging area would feel great in a survival game like TLOU. But I'm sceptical it would be nearly as satisfying without the bonfire/lantern respawn system.

Inverno134d ago

A more melee oriented Last of Us 2 would've been so much better imo. The combat mechanics barely got any use from me cause everyone just shoots at you, and then the Scars with their bows are even more annoying. Level design was also more Bloodborne, and I love the level design in Souls game, there's a real sense of scale and exploration due to the branching paths. We really gotta move away from open world in the style of GTA and BoTW and do it more like Souls.

toxic-inferno134d ago

Completely agree with your final comment. Semi-linear open worlds like those in soulslikes are by far the most satisfying. Even Elden Ring (which is of course amazing) loses some of its heart due to it's open world.

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toxic-inferno133d ago

@SnarkyDoggy

Of course, my comment was my opinion, and may be different to yours.

I completely agree that Elden Ring's world is incredible. The design of every inch of its map is fantastic, with so much care that has been put into its layout and design to tell a story in the classic ambiguous way that FromSoft always manage. I would argue with anybody, any day of the week, that there is no finer example of open world design anywhere in gaming across all platforms and genres.

However, the 'heart' that I speak of is perhaps more aligned with gameplay. The more linear form of the previous games provides a distinct level of focus and determination that Elden Ring lacks due to the nature of it's open world. In Dark Souls, Bloodborne, etc. you often have between one and three bosses available to you at any time, requiring dedication and a certain level of grit. You have to learn each boss, master the techniques required and vanquish them before moving on. Between 60% and 90% of the bosses in each game generally result in this experience.

I had no such experience in Elden Ring, except for the fight against Malenia, because the nature of the open world meant that there was always something else to do and explore. The open world encouraged this, meaning that I spent most of the game over-levelled for the bosses I was facing. And I didn't even go out of my way to over-level.

To conclude, the heart of Soulsbourne games isn't inherently the difficult; it's the grit and determination required to beat them. There are other things that factor into the soulslike genre, but that gameplay loop is the real soul of the series. And Elden Ring, mostly due to it's open world, lacked that particular aspect.

As I have said, you are welcome to disagree with me! But I hope that further explains my original statement.

shinoff2183134d ago

I don't think we need to move away from a gta open world style. There's room for all. I enjoy open and linear along with in between. If you have an issue I imagine it's on the devs.

Inverno134d ago

An in-between then should be considered more often. I'm just not a fan of the long stretches of land of nothing. Idk whatchu mean by the last thing tho, I like ND.

Demetrius134d ago

Def did good with their own thing I'm so over the whole copy souls combat sheesh I can dee if in certain games it would be bosses that looked like a souls boss but straight out copying the combat and feel takes away from a game that supposed to be its own lol

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