At the end of a console generation it's common to hold off on buying a console before a new one comes out. Xbox One has some reasons you should think twice.
The official name of the upcoming Project Scarlett will suit the console's capabilities and doesn't need to connect to those of previous Xbox releases, Phil Spencer told Stevivor at X019 in London.
You call one question an interview? That wasn't even worth writing or reading, a complete waste of time.
I commented on FB that they shouldn't break up interviews for content a month after the event but they said they'd keep doing it, basically
xbox 360 "the center of that entertainment experience." theme - (based on planetary)
Xbox one - "all in one’." theme - (based on function)
"Project Scarlett name will reflect capabilities"
interesting.
I agree. I hate when sites break up quotes and make news stories of them. Trickle feed us
I've thought the numbers were stupid up until now. 360 wasn't a smart one, because the next one obviously wasn't going to be 361. Naming the next console One wasn't smart since it wasn't even the first. All their taglines talk about jumping. "jump in" "jump ahead". Maybe it'll be called jump ship 🤷🏼♂️😂
Lol jk people
Xbox one wasn't called that because it was the first, it was called that because it was suppose to be an ultimate all in one console
And it will be forever remembered as the xbone. One was actually a stupid name and there was nothing ultimate about it.
I´m both intrigued and excited.
I think Phil Spencer is gonna unleash another Beast! O.o
Very powerful console
9 New first party studios
More Studio acquisiton/creation
New IPs
Primary (and only) focus on games
More single player games
More RPGs
More support from Japanese developers
Scarlett is already superior in every single aspect in comparison with Mattrick´s Xbox One! I can´t wait!
Mattrick gave you forza, halo, gears, ryse, quantum break, state of decay, sunset overdrive, KI, timed exclusives yet Thai gen what has Phil done? Forza, halo, gears and thow in sea kd thieves? That's literally all xbox has had all gen and no it was mattrick who got ori of the forest.
Mattrick left after the backlash the reveal of xbox one got in "his vision" in 2013.
Halo launched in 2001, (6 years before mattrick joined microsoft)
I think you are misinformed in your statement sprinterboy
Sounds like someone paid you to say this 😂
What's up with the downvotes🤔
Pretty much every leak from confirmed dev kit holding developers has stated ps5 is a tad stronger. Source: Resetera.
Babadook that was the rumor before 12tf came out. Xbox was rumored to be at 10 originally. 12tf is well beyond any rumors if true
Those leaks were based not on specific tflop numbers but from developers comparing early games. If we confirm the tflops of scarlet we confirm the ps5 is the same or better.
Red is not Xbox's best color or description. We've seen that before and don't need to go around with that again as if we're going in 360.
So...if they use a digital LCD display on the front, would it become a scarlet letter?
That would be better than hearing a voice message that says "frankly my dear, I don't give a d@mn!"
Cue blowing of wind.. oh.. it's gone.
I thought 360 was a stupid name, and Xbox One was worse. I wonder what goofy thing they'll come up with next.
Its all about avoiding a serial number because they dont want to name it something less than the competition. “360” was 60 more than 3 kind of thing.
Or 3 times 6 = 666 but hey I'm just paranoid how could bill gate$ or micro soft has anything to do with satanism. He just wanted to vaccine everyone to control populations and xbox been pushing into anti costumers practices since day 1. Plus the obvious of video games industry . Now they are getting away with 5 millions costumers not owning the games and before they i introduce the greatest invention on video games charging us to play online thank micro transactions softly but firm they are getting awayeiththe most anti consumer moves.
360 was based on the console revolving around you.
It was actually a perfect name for the console.
Xbox one is just a retarded name.
Genkins first mac was priced $666 in the end all this people are the same psychopaths
The Dreamcast had a similar logo to a German toy store, hence the change in Europe . If a toy store makes you think like that, then you may have a problem.
the naming system for past consoles have been based on shapes, numbers, and planets.
except for dream cast. that is based on imagination.
everyone's naming system is that way though.
MS used shapes for naming consoles, whereas PlayStation puts them on their controllers to name functions.
Dreamcast is another stupid corporation satanism logo based on a Pedophilia symbol. Its disgusting
At the time, sega said it was the dream line up of technology companies and components making up the console, hence, the "Dream Cast"
@rainslacker
Milking? I´m for one gonna be surprised if the next gen Xbox game catalog turn out to be less diversed and genre varied than Sonys.
Santa Monica and God
Bend already said that they want to continue to expand and explore Days Gone world
Naughty Dog and TLOU
Polyphony and GT
Guerrilla and Horizon
Insomniac and Spiderman
Am i missing something?
Well they keep talking about it’s going to be the most powerful console ever so my guess is it will have a name based off that theory
We already had a console named XBOX, stupidest thing I ever heard when they name something twice with the same name
I hear things that have X in the title test as more popular with the younger crowd
Project Scarlett is a waste of time if MS doesn't start flexing with quality games.
That Minecraft trailer that MS dropped today showed a lot of weakness. It's pretty much says if you can't beat'em join them.
Minecraft is the best selling game in literal gaming history. If you're gonna base Bedrock as a reflection of "can't beat em join em," then I've got news.
You will be surprised what this corporation have been planning for a while. The new world order .. one world one religion. One entertainment system this console war its just to create the fight and the argument to coexist .. its all fake.
Haha the ignorance hate its funny. So sleep and hypnotize by the world cant even see it coming and call me paranoid hahaha every precident in the world by now its mentioning new world order is coming. And i am paranoid hahaha funny then all the president are also paranoid? You go play your gameand bend over while nwo comes in you. I mean as long as you get to play cod mw 27 you will be happy i am sure
i would say something but that would be to easy. lol
oh well! i can't help myself.
it's going to be called The Micro Transaction Box.
just having fun. don't get worked up about it.
It's too late in trying to connect their consoles anyways. They should call their next console "Xbox WHY?"
I was thinking the same thing. I can see their mantra: Xbox Play gamepass, play anywhere, play play, you can play, xbox play, just play, play on big screen xbox play, play, play, pay pay, pay, pay, play on small screen, play on you phone, play, all you can pay, play. Xbox play when you play.
They should call the console the XBox One2. As if to say it is delivering a one two punch in power.
Hey now thats not fair...... Xbox has outsold the gamecube and wiiu.
Xbox
Xbox 360
Xbox 360 slim
Xbox 360 E
Xbox one
Xbox one s
Xbox x
It's not at all embarrassing that they have released more models than they have outsold competitors consoles..... Next gen will be different for sure /s.
Should just call it the Xbox 4.
Tag line it with “Xbox for ____” in ads. Example: “The Xbox for gamers. The Xbox for everyone. The Xbox for everything”. Then talk about 4 generations of games to play, true 4k (games and movies), and how it ties in with streaming your library to the cloud as well as acting as Blades on XCloud service side of things too.
Just double down on 4, and how it’s more than just a console (while being a game device—not focus too much on non-gaming like the One’s reveal and tv executive intro). Keep it simple, but making the 4 a talking point beyond the number alone (since ps5 will numerically seem “superior” to some casuals anyways because 5>4).
Maybe just skip Xbox 4 and go straight to 5? Make it simple?
They did it with Windows 10, skipping 9, and no one really cared that much.
Xbox Infinity confirmed. Will launch with Halo Infinity and Forza Motorsports Infinity.
You will be able to get the Infinity bundle for one low price.
LOL. Or not.
Interesting that they are basically taking the Switch route. That's cool. I can't wait to see what it'll be.
Babadook7
Xbox infinite would be a good name.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
It is called Infinite...
Core console Xbox S&P (salt & pepper)
Cheaper console Xbox SS (secret sauce)
It's going to be called Xbox Infinite to coincide with Halo Infinite. Get it? Infinite capabilities...
I'm thinking something like Xbox Ultra
or xbox Omega.
Or maybe Xbox Alpha? Idk
Scarlett means red.
Red Ring of Death?
Microsoft's Xbox devision on code Red?
So it will be called infinite. Though for me i didnt look at this game because of specs but more of the branding direction for Xbox. Xbox is infinte forever and in infinite ways to play ect. Unless thats what he means but either way its a great name if they use it
The name will be Xbox X which is just Xbox because they’re idiots.
Here’s PlayStation announcing games, giving details on the PS5, showing how they will end the PS4 generation and what’s old Phil babbling on about? The name, the god damn name.
Matt Booty outlines Xbox's commitment to first-party studios and get our hopes up over the Project Scarlett launch line-up.
Microsoft can't even deliver one worthwhile exclusive all generation, how are they expecting to deliver one every 3-4 months?
@lellkay
"@Kingthrash360 gets it. DWYD"
Kingthrash360 KNOWS that Xbox is gonna deliver on games big time, so all he can really do is to sang the old song "Xbox only has Forza, Halo and Gears", as if 9 new studios means nothing. Smh.
😂😂 yall mad? Obscure you KNEW all generation MS was gunna deliver....but what happened...noe you talking about next gen when they showed absolutely nothing? 9 studios mean nothing when the talent level is so low. Yall mad at me, but I been telling yall for years xbox wasn't gunna deliver. They still haven't and they dont plan to.
Why would they when yall accept them how they are today? Why spend money to make better games when you already like the mediocre games that come already?
@lellkay
"Microsoft can't even deliver one worthwhile exclusive all generation, how are they expecting to deliver one every 3-4 months?"
Phil Spencer made Xbox Game Studios bigger with the acquisition/creation of 9 new first party studios! Total of 15 first party studios!
Do the math! I´m sure can figure out how they plan on release those games on your own. ;)
@Obscure_Observer adding more studios means nothing if they don't know how to use them. What good is adding more, when they have proved they can't produce anything worthwhile with the ones they have?
There is more to having a first party roster, than simply buying studios and saying "look we bought studios!!!" it's about having a vision and managing the studios properly. Microsoft have proved ALL generation they have no idea how to do this.
Not saying they can't fix this, but why should just suddenly put trust in them, they need to prove they have even an inkling of an idea to us first before we start cheer leading them.
I'm telling you now, Microsoft have bought all these studios simply to pump out gamepass filler crap, quantity over quality... stuff like Bleeding Edge and Grounded... they have less and less interest in big AAA exclusives and they prove it over and over.
For one that’s ridiculous and two they now have the most first party studios in gaming so content isn’t gonna be a problem. They are investing in gaming on a scope that Sony or Nintendo couldn’t dream of competing.
@Donnie81 You literally didn't read what I said. Quantity means nothing when they have proved they have no idea how to manage their studios and IPs.
Sony and NIntendo couldn't dream of competing? Didn't MS just up their studios to the same number as Sony has? Or MS has 1-2 more now or something. As far as I can tell, Sony still has more top tier and top rated studios, and Nintendo still pumps out 2-3 high quality games a year, with both having GOTY contenders year after year. MS hasn't had a GOTY contender all gen, but somehow, Sony and Nintendo can't dream of competing?
Sure....that makes sense.
Just because MS brought a lot of studios doesn't mean they're investing in gaming on some huge scope the likes of which we have never seen. They're looking to up their game library, which is great, but don't over-exaggerate what it is just to bring the competition down. The article talks about bringing a new game every 3-4 months. That's great, but if they're just these indie style or mid-tier games, which is likely, is it really MS investing on a scope that Sony or Nintendo can't compete with?
Think about it for a minute. Sony and Nintendo both get lots of content that Xbox never will. They have indie and mid-tier content in spades, so while MS is competing with 3rd party content that they'll never get, the fan boys get the chance to say how MS is killing it, but they are just bringing themselves up to the competitions level.
You guys really think it's that simple huh. . . . .
There's more to it than studio numbers but that is a step in the right direction.
@LordJamar I own an Xbox One and have since launch. I'm just not afraid to criticize a poor product and poor direction. Who's the real fanboy?
@ricegum. Fact: horizon comes out every 2 years and has been very well received. If you don't know that. I don't know if we can trust anything you say. But, please tell me what console racing game is better?
@alvira81 is absolutely bang on the buck.
Its so refreshing to see someone who can see right through gamepass.
See it all depends what you are into.
For me forza Horizon and Forza MS have been my 2 most played racing games and Grid coming a close 2nd.
SoT has been alot of fun with my friends OK its not the best game in the world but then again it's a really fun MP game and that's all that matters.
Cup head was also alot of fun.
Halo 5 lost its way but again tmcc had kept my fps needsbunder wraps as I feel all fps games this gen have felt under par.
KI is my most played fighting game to love how its evolved.
Gears 5 I also really enjoyed and feels like gears is back on top again.
Really enjoyed QB loved what they did with the story and for me is better than the new one just released on MP. (forgot the name haha)
It is a matter of your own tast though. For me this gen across both Microsoft and Sony have felt half done compared to what we had last gen for me the most fun console with the games I have liked the most has been the wiiu. But as I said each to there own. Some will agree others will not.
That said due to life getting in the way and this gen not grasping me like the last one I've moved from consoles to pc gaming as fits my needs more.
With the amount of studios they have working, they could all definitely put themselves in a development cycle that could see a new game every 3 or 4 months.
Now will they be worthwhile? That's up to the individuals own taste.
Big promises like always, hopefully this time they deliver unlike every single other time.
Those studio acquisitions got some people shook!
Thing is, after Days Gone, Shenmue and Death Stranding, people are running out of ammo in their arsenal to deride any games that now 'wont be to their taste'. Its going to be a fun next gen
'Now will they be worthwhile? That's up to the individuals own taste'
Truth.
The more you have the more chances of a hit
'Those studio acquisitions got some people shook!' Lol. . . Some people have been shook about xbox all generation right. ! Lol
First they ask for content, when the content is on it's way they begin to trash it.
You wonder why true gamers dont take keyboard warriors serious.
True gamer? Is that like True4K?
People question the nature of the quality. Not them saying they'll do it....although there is some of that too. MS has been saying all gen they're going to have games. MS has said all gen how awesome they are, along with their fan boys. MS has said all gen how awesome they're going to be. The games they just showed don't really scream huge AAA big name franchises.
People question MS because they've been pretty crap all gen. It's not the keyboard warriors fault that "true gamers" can't call out MS when it's prudent, or not just give them the benefit of the doubt because some MS exec says so. MS did it to themselves, and it'll be a while before people can reasonably say that the criticisms are no longer justified.
@Automatic79
We asked for high quality content, and they have failed to deliver that time after time. Nintendo and Sony smash it out the ball park year after year with GOTY contenders most years. Microsoft pump out let down after let down.
Stop trying to play the "I'm a true gamer" card. You ain't a true gamer if your happy to consume low quality garbage instead of expecting the best. It puts you on par with a casual mobile gamer who plays low quality trash. Get out of here.
@AngelicIceDiamond I don't know HOW MANY times I'm going to have to explain this.
Adding more studios means nothing if they don't know how to use them. What good is adding more, when they have proved they can't produce anything worthwhile with the ones they have?
There is more to having a first party roster, than simply buying studios and saying "look we bought studios!!!" it's about having a vision and managing the studios properly. Microsoft have proved ALL generation they have no idea how to do this.
Not saying they can't fix this, but why should just suddenly put trust in them, they need to prove they have even an inkling of an idea to us first before we start cheer leading them.
I'm telling you now, Microsoft have bought all these studios simply to pump out gamepass filler crap, quantity over quality... stuff like Bleeding Edge and Grounded... they have less and less interest in big AAA exclusives because the incentive isn't there for gamepass. They want quick releases and potential repeat monetisation, how else will they maintain gamepass?
@lellkay I can take apart your entire argument *cracks knuckles.
"There is more to having a first party roster, than simply buying studios and saying "look we bought studios!!!" it's about having a vision and managing the studios properly. Microsoft have proved ALL generation they have no idea how to do this."
Considering this the most studios MS has ever gotten in in all of Xbox life time where is the proof that MS can't manage these studios? 6 years back MS never had this many studios to even judge how they'll manage its studios now so you don't know at all.
"Adding more studios means nothing if they don't know how to use them. What good is adding more, when they have proved they can't produce anything worthwhile with the ones they have?"
Ok MS will use the studios like how they use Turn 10, 343, Rare and Coalition. Gears released a few months ago with great reviews. Forza some how gets better and better with bi annual releases. Halo releases next year, SOT is still being supported while Ever Wilds got announced on top of an undiscolsed new AAA project from Rare. Not sure what you're talkin about.
"I'm telling you now, Microsoft have bought all these studios simply to pump out gamepass filler crap, quantity over quality... stuff like Bleeding Edge and Grounded... they have less and less interest in big AAA exclusives because the incentive isn't there for gamepass. They want quick releases and potential repeat monetisation, how else will they maintain gamepass?"
This old tired argument. Listen carefully MS has, NT, PG, TI and Obsidian. 4 new AAA studios on top of 343, The Coalition, Turn 10 and Rare. That's 8 total the rest are AA studios. So logically MS can pump out AA games that could be highly rated as Ori. Since AAA's take much longer to make why not have studios release AA games while they're still hard at work with AAA's? GP filler is a myth dead old argument because it logically makes no sense. How bout we concern troll something new or make up another excuse outta thin air now. We have creative trolls and fanboys I'm sure they'll find something to complain about.
"Considering this the most studios MS has ever gotten in in all of Xbox life time where is the proof that MS can't manage these studios? 6 years back MS never had this many studios to even judge how they'll manage its studios now so you don't know at all."
You know, Angelic, I remember back in the previous generation you were quite level headed and articulate, even if I did disagree with you on most things, but now you're thrown all reason and any kind of intelligent thinking out the window.
Tell me, if I'm jungling 5 plates on sticks and you can see I'm visibly struggling, rushing to keep the plates spinning, one of the plates even falls off and breaks, what in the ever loving hell would possess you to thinking I'd do better if you gave me 10 more plates to manage?
You ask for proof MS can't manang games. How about you open you're bloody eyes, smh. Sea of thieves, crack down 3, quantum break are just a few games off the top of my head that launched poorly. And ms haven't had a single game that come anywhere close to a GOTY contender. Hell, it was only after MS became a laughing stock meme that they started buying up studios.
But your precious MS have made yet another empty promise, so that means you need to blindly believe them and foolishly defend them from any and all rational and logical criticism. And if that means you have say some really stupids and illogical things... so be it.
@Captain from your first paragraph you're parroting the same stuff I've been seeing on here forever now. You're saying no matter what MS does they're gonna mess up like it's factual or written in the stars. That's a personal negative mindset that YOU have I can't argue against something that you feel personally about. That's literally a you a problem. Not a Me problem or MS problem but a you and you only. Because what you're saying us MS will fail no matter what they do every single thing they do will fail. That's in your crazy head your issues and problems that unique to only you.
"You ask for proof MS can't manang games."
You're not slick I said STUDIOS not games. MS has never had that many studios in the past ever. You said laughing stick meme when they bought up studios. Again you live in a separate reality where there's empty promises because you never acknowledge what MS is doing while the media has praised MS for fixing its 1st party studios. That's not in reality that's in your sick little mind. Fever dreaming that every single thing is the same with MS. You might wanna get help and fast.
I havent seen any PS4 exclusives, other that Uncharted 4, that i'm personally interested in. Sony has abandoned almost every franchise of theirs that I used to love playing on PS3. On the other hand I have enjoyed Gears 4, Halo 5 and Quantum Break. Different strokes for different folks.
Project scarlett isn't this gen. Comparing current gen to a gen no person knows outcomes to just shows who the fanboys here really are. That's like saying "who would trust ps5 with all the hacking that happened on sony?" No one knows just how secure ps5 will be no one knows how much content any next gen console will pump out
We don't mind waiting a bit longer focus on quality over quantity please. With game pass I feel like ms wants to release as many game as fast as they can which could mean less quality. But I will give benefit of the doubt to Phil and ms because we want more quality AAA games
Even if they are retreads, Forza Horizon says hi as it gets better with every release. Let's also not pretend Gears and Halo aren't also giant names; and with Gears now being at the top of its game, and Halo, hopefully, returning to form.
I want more new IPs. I'm hopeful what with all their new studios. Hell; I'm highly excited at what an Outer Worlds with MS money could be. They dropped the ball this gen, but let's not pretend they haven't put out good games.
Were you not paying attention when they said they now have 15 studios all cranking?
Maybe in your opinion.
I've liked state of decay and gears and sea of thieves and the forza game. To me they were worthwhile.
Stating something as fact when it is your opinion does not make you seem fanboyish at all /s
Well the expectation would be based on clear and hard lessons learned throughout the Xbox One lifecycle. Do you know how we know they have clearly noticed their fuck ups? The studio's they have acquired, and the studio they started, and the studio's they are continuing to look into buying.
Reiterating the same point everyone already knows that Xbox had a really shit generation is tiresome and old. Almost everyone is aware of Xbox dropping the ball this gen.
Three indie games, Forza.
Three indie games, Crackdown 4.
Three indie games, Halo ReRemastered.
Three indie games, Scalebound remembrance demo.
When PS4 launched it had mostly indie games and that was ok. But, now indie games are bad?
Itsmebrian
I'm sure you were one of those Xbox fans who tore into Sony for showing support for indie developers. So now Indies are cool?
Yeah, it was so ok, that xbox fans called it "the indiestation 4". That's how ok it was.
^you three are remembering things your own way. Just to be clear, indie games are fine and the whole mocking the PS4 was over their decision to finally embrace indie games when it released unlike their luke warm attitude towards them on the PS3. Keep in mind the 360 was fully embracing indie games long before the PS3 or even PS4 did. So MS has always welcomed indie games openly.
Games are games regardless how big or how small the team/budget/development time involved.
@Darth
Exactly, Sony was pushing the <3 indie marketing tour during the beginning of of PS4 and only seemed dedicated because of the limiting offerings during the first couple of years. But then ultimately dropping their campaign (pub fund) in favor of VR games which they even admitted.
I do like reading revisionist history that has once again been changed to fit the multiverse though.
Sony had indie programs all the way back on the PS1 and PS2. For those that know imports, their Simple series was an indie programmed that helped publish the games on disc. Some of those also made their way to the US through other publishers. Their initial PS3 indie program was antiquated from their past programs, but it was still there. Since then, they've been up and down with how they support indies, but they've never been bottom of the barrel. They promoted indies more at the start of the gen, but the overall support they give on a business level has remained fairly constant since last gen.
MS indie programs have been all over the place since they came into fruition. Never really terrible, sometimes not that great, pretty good right now.
It wasn't mostly indie games at the launch of the PS4. If that's the case, the same can be said for Xbox, because they shared almost all the same games. Yet, somehow, Sony is the only one that got labelled as IndieStation, despite them having more high profile games in the first two years than MS did. MS front loaded the launch, but they went through their own dry spell, and seems they forgot how to make it rain.
Thanks rain for the knowledge
Those early years seem to have spore one of the games of the gen and I much prefer a quiet portion of a gen than a quiet majority of a gen. Non indie games that scored higher than many of Microsofts games throughout this gen were released in that quiet period. Explain?
Darth. Sony always had indies they just never put them at the forefront. Microsoft had some smart timed and full exclusives in the indie segment but choosing to forget Sony had indies too is just as asinine. They improved this gen and marketed indies better and were ridiculed for it despite their ability to release indies as well as well as non indie games. Sometimes you just can't win
Lol gangsta is right and Sony themselves admitted they used indies for their own goal and have put VR as their poster child.
PS <3 Indies. Dont forget that campaign of Sony that the Playstation Nation rallied behind, when it was MS with the 360 that started off truly supporting indies only to now laugh off indies...
So why are indies actually scoffed at? Because they are low budget titles? Some indies have some of the most imaginative gameplay. If you guys can give props to a game involving a pregnant man walking around putting ladders down I'm sure you can room in your heart for some indie love :)
I wish Microsoft would release 4-5 great exclusive in a row before talking like they've figured it out. They talk like they run the industry when they're barely participating in it. It's time to execute the game plan and stop talking about it.
In a row as in one to two great 1st party games per year. If they can manage that then they can go ahead and release one every 3-4 months. Small steps MS, small steps.
I think he means just waiting until they've released a few great exclusives over a period of time. Not necessarily 4-5 in rapid succession.
MS has not earned enough trust to just take them at their word IMO. They're showing signs of doing what people say they need to do, but they haven't actually achieved it yet.
I guess it's about all they can do now though, given that they're trying to salvage a respectable next gen. It's what they've been doing most of this gen anyways, but it comes to a point of show, don't tell, which ironically is where they were at 3-4 years ago as well. MS really hasn't achieved anything yet, except buying some studios, but the results of that haven't really been shown for them to have so much hubris in their words.
@SkippyPaccino
"It's time to execute the game plan and stop talking about it."
Plan is already in motion as Phil Spencer had confirmed that he´ll continue to acquire and create new first party studios. Not to mention that Xbox Game Studios has been hiring big names from gaming industry in an almost weekly basis; so, to assume that the quality of Xbox´s games will be equal or worst than before, is just stupid and delusional.
Plan is already in motion you say? I've heard that so many times this generation and last. Guess we'll have to wait and see
@Skippy your wish will come true.
In 2020 Xbox Studios Delivering This
Xbox
Ori 2 Will of Wisp
Bleeding Edge
Minecraft Dungeons
Wasteland 3
Grounded
Tell Me Why
Gears Tactics
Wasteland Remastered
BattleToads
Flight Simulator
Cross Fire X
Psychonauts 2
Halo Infinite
The difference here is that they put their money where their mouth is and acquired a bunch of studios.
They acquired studios during the original Xbox and 360 years too. But you know.
@Atticus
What? Did they really acquire anything to this scale? Please come out with a better retort.
I think they should perhaps worry about quality before focus on such quantity. But I guess one is better than neither.
@Obscure
Well think about it.. Nearly all games that are out for Xbox are out for PC. If you have a good gaming PC, why would you choose to buy it on Xbox?
Kuduhater: "Me too! But im not some pathetic tantrum throwing toddler that has an emotional need to hate a brand! Thanks!"
Also Kuduhater: "Well considering ori and inside are better than any dull oscar bait games sony dish out, ill take an indie game from them over talentless movie games any day :)"
2020 here we come!
https://imgur.com/cxu9VFQ
https://imgur.com/GUVjmaB
All confirmed releases will be Game Pass
February: Ori and the Will of the Wisps
March: Bleeding Edge
April: Minecraft Dungeons
May: Wasteland 3
Spring 2020: Grounded
Summer 2020: Tell me Why
Holiday 2020: Halo Infinite
TBA 2020: Psychonauts 2, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Wasteland Remaster, Battletoads, Gears Tactics, Phantasy Star Online 2, Crossfire X, Tears Of Avia, The Last Night, Tunic, Sessions, Phoenix Point, Everreach: Project Eden, KartRider: Drift
#AllEyesOnXbox
The only game I like on your list is Ori. I'm doing a wait and see approach with Halo:Infinite. Wasn't a fan of Wasteland 2
So everything you listed I will be able to play on my PC. Thanks!
#NoMoreExclusives
Exactly, Microsoft doesn't care that you buy the console, they just want you in the ecosystem. That will be more evident in this next gen if it isn't already. If it makes you feel better to say xbox doesn't have exclusives, go for it. Nobody is listening anyway.
And so what lol? At least now you dont have to pretend to not be interested in playing them.
Doubt a number of those games you listed in the 'TBA' section will be on Gamepass
- Phantasy Star Online is a free to play game (well, free in Japan on the PS4, on the Xbox you need to pay for Gold).
- Everreach isn't confirmed for Gamepass from the press materials I've seen - it's Xbox and Steam launch first with PS4 next year.
- KartRider Drift is another 'Free to play' game which MS forces you to pay for Gold in order to play.
- Sessions is confirmed as Game Preview, not Gamepass.
- Tunic doesn't appear to be listed as GamePass via google, just a timed exclusive on Xbox.
- The Last Night has no release schedule and has been in development hell since 2017, also no mention of being a GP title.
- Tears Of Avia has also been quietly delayed and was only touted as a launch exclusive, not GP.
So yeah, from that list, only a few (mainly the ones MS swooped in and bought whilst in development and their own games) are the GP ones. Not hating on Xbox or anything, just don't get why you've listed a bunch of games that most likely aren't GP titles - unless I missed something? However, the F2P (not free with Xbox) games aren't GP titles...
some great games on that list. I'm really looking forward to ori, wastleland 3, psychonauts 2, crossfire x, the last night, tunic and halo infinite.
hopefully the artful escape releases next year as well
They have more game studios than any publisher in the industry now. Got put up or shut up next gen
Microsoft is at 14, if you don't include Game studio publishing (which is helping find CrossfireX). Sony is at 12, that's including recently purchased Insomniac.
sony has 15 ;new San Diego studio ( not listed yet) ( separate from the show studio) and Manchester.
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Not counting forwardworks for obvious reasons.
Not sure how you arrived at 12.
And don't forget that some of Sony studios are so big that they are separated in 2 and even 3 groups. Sony definitely has more quantity and with the talent to say more quality.
I'd be inclined to say that THQ Nordic probably owns the most game studios as they recently also a2quired Koch Media and all of their studios like Deep Silver and Volition. THQ Nordic are massive at the moment, they're sat on the biggest list of dormant IPs out there.
I just want a good game like horizon dawn zero or spiderman not indie games . Im disappointed with this gen games on the xbox hands down the worst gen release for games . Beside the racing and zombie series which I dont care for .. the rest is pretty much trash . Just give me something to be excited for .
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt; while I've already decided that Xbox is no longer a brand of interest to me, I would think that the studio acquisitions—which, according to them, isn't over—make it not so divorced from reality to see this as feasible. Naturally, having more studios makes it easier to be more prolific. 3-4 month intervals is kinda ambitious, but I wouldn't say unrealistic.
Conversely, I think that it is also fair to be skeptical of content quality, especially if they're committed to these release windows. It has the potential to be good news, but it also shows, in my view, that Microsoft's finger still isn't on the pulse; I think it would benefit them far more to say, "we'll release games when they're ready." The time between first party games don't matter if the games aren't great. The Xbox fans laughed at the frequent game delays on PS4, saying things like "Greatness Delayed," and yet, some serious gems have come from the time taken to polish those titles. Miyamoto is also accepting of the reality that game delays are helpful.
My point is, for the sake of their remaining community, they should totally retract this statement and emphasize that delays are fine. Right now, it sounds like quantity over quality.
Serious question is gamesradar pretty big or influential that the interview went to them?
Why is he giving an interview right after x19, shouldn’t the message be concise there, not strung out like this?
Why is he talking vs spencer what should be made of that? Not causing shit, just trying to decipher the marketing.
Most likely had a press pass and managed to get in an interview with him after the event. A few places got interviews.
They are likely put out a games every 3 4 months but the core fanbase has moved on now. Those xbox 360 days are now long gone
It had never happened before in the history of Xbox despite many promises so I don't believe until I see it.
That's a fair stance to take. Let's see what these new studios and leadership can do before we pass judgement.
Interesting times ahead, lets see what they deliver before calling it one way or another.
Bring out the mature AAAs Microsoft and please do not go politics like that other exclusive.
If you don't own the system then why worry what they release? Being negative just to be negative is so petty its cringey.
It's like some imaginary troll/fanboy trophy is given to these people. Grow up.
Sony will continue to release great content and so will Nintendo. If Microsoft can do the same and make its fan base a bunch of happy gamers then just stfu and move on.
"Phil Spencer has confirmed that VR is not a focus of the upcoming next-gen Project Scarlett. Stevivor used an interview with Spencer at X019 to get an update on Microsoft's stance on virtual reality (VR)."
Awesome! Let Sony have it! Let the consoles to be different!
Just focus on great first party games and great innovative experiences!
True. They need to get a hold of consistently releasing unique interesting AAA first party experiences first & foremost before thinking about implementing VR.
What's wrong in releasing unique interesting AAA 1st party experiences on VR as well? Aren't those games too?
Smh.
To be honest, I think it's a bit of a shame that Phil Spencer doesn't believe there is a place for VR on Xbox Scarlett, in the short-term at least. VR is not a gimmick that is going to go away. The work is done, it will always be done. VR is inevitable. And if all the manufacturers got behind it I think it will help move it forward faster.
Regardless, Sony, Oculus, Valve are all exploring new frontiers and working on discovering new ways to find gameplay solutions in VR. Games like Half Life: Alyx and Bethesda's Starfield in VR will nurture the demand. In time when the path is clear I think it will be easy for Microsoft to make PC VR headsets compatible with Xbox.
We all know Sony is a lot better at gaming than Microsoft but, if only they supported VR with "a" AAA game worthy instead of just looking at it like Google with Stadia.
"Just focus on great first party games"
I have been hoping for this for 8 or so years now.
One shooter game. Not everyone likes shooters or maybe just don’t like the previous Gears or maybe tired of Gears .
@Ocelot07
"I have been hoping for this for 8 or so years now."
No offense, but i don´t really care how you feel my boy.
According to some "fortune tellers" all we gonna get in the future, is more lies from Phil Spencer and low quality/small first party games because of Game Pass.
Still... i can´t listen to them, for some reason
At the momment, i rather have Microsoft focused on games like this, over VR:
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Already HYPED about my Scarlett!
In Phil we trust! ;)
@Obscure_Observer
“No offense, but i don´t really care how you feel my boy.”
And nobody on here’s cares what you think either.
He’s right. An entire generation and the best exclusives you got was Froza and Gears.
@jznrpg
So how about Forza Horizon 4, which was just released at the tail end of last year? Or is it “not everyone like racing game” as well?
@Obscure_Observer:
"At the momment, i rather have Microsoft focused on games like this, over VR:"
Dude, those aren't games, they're costumes. Concept art of costumes from the same freaking game no less.
Is that what blind brand loyalty has done to your filter for quality? Ew...
@King_Noctis:
no one shold be touting a racing game as an end all be all. The only reason its been touched on over and over is the butt hurt the Xbox camp has had over GT vs Forza - a "rivalry" MS started.
@Obsure_Observer
None taken, I normally skip over your comments when ever I see your user tag. But the great first party bit in a Microsoft piece caught my eye lol.
@Godmars290
"Dude, those aren't games, they're costumes. Concept art of costumes from the same freaking game no less."
Of course, is concept arts from the same freaking game, there´s "Playground Games" watermarks on the freaking images! And yes, it´s concept arts for a new Fable game, which looks astonishing and highly detailed!
"Is that what blind brand loyalty has done to your filter for quality? Ew..."
Lol! You´re talking about quality while Playground Games just hired Brian Merrill as Lead VFX Artist, from Ready At Dawn Studios and Martin Bunker as Principal Animation Engineer, from Rockstar Games!
Yes, it screams *HIGH QUALITY* to me. ;)
@Obscure_Observer:
Sadly, nothing you've said suggest that your judgement is of any value, except to yourself.
Also, again as usual, you've done the typical fanboy thing of handing your side a win when obsoletly nothing of any real substance has been shown. Not even an all CG trailer.
MS need to show that they've improved. Recognized and corrected mistakes. You creaming all over yourself just because of some concept art does them no favors.
@Godmars290
"Also, again as usual, you've done the typical fanboy thing of handing your side a win when obsoletly nothing of any real substance has been shown. Not even an all CG trailer."
Pherhaps you can´t see "nothing of substance" because usually you fail on see "substance" on anything out of your ordinary and self-entitled opinions.
"Would rather see something more than the obvious similarities presented."
https://i0.wp.com/pureplays...
You couldn´t notice Kratos and Atreus together with your "obvious vision" on God of War´s leak artwork could you? Also, didn´t saw you complain about "nothing of substance" at that time either, because, hey! It´s to obvious, right? Double Standards, i see.
https://n4g.com/news/188873...
@Obscure_Observer:
One: are you really trying to compare concept art from something yet to be officially announced to something that's been out for a while?
Two: how is "Would rather see something more than the obvious similarities presented" in any way similar to the gushing you seem to be displaying?
Godmars,
"no one shold be touting a racing game as an end all be all."
You are referring to the same group of people who got hot and bothered over their favourite company's new BEASTLY console[X], single, launch game - Lucky's Tale. As you can deduce, a well made racing game and a tired 3rd person shooter sequel is even more reason to justify a whole gen's worth of games as far as they're concerned.
I guess my question is, why even bother?
@Nova
What was the name of that great launch game for the PS4 Pro again? Please help remind me.
King,
Oh we've got a bite!
Sony did not market the Pro as the console equivalent of the second coming and their fans were pretty level headed about it. Plus Sony already had a shit ton of 1st party games available for Pro players to enjoy.
I guess the whole point will fly over your head again so nice talking to you mate.
“ Sony did not market the Pro as the console equivalent of the second coming and their fans were pretty level headed about it.”
And did anyone hyped up the Xbox One X as the second coming? The fact is, it is more powerful than the PS4 Pro and they advertised it that way. You think Sony wouldn’t do the same if it was the other way around?
“ Plus Sony already had a shit ton of 1st party games available for Pro players to enjoy. ”
So in other word, they also had zero game to show off their mid gen refresh system as well?
I swear. . .king and obscure are one in the same. Why do you guys entertain them. You know what hurts their feelings the most. Ignoring them. . There are plenty level headed fans from all sides on here to converse and debate with. Skip these guys.
Any vr talk spoken prior to now was just fan service by ms. Like mentioned. . .they don't have the nous to take on another sub platform when they've found it so difficult to provide consistent content for their main one for over a gen. Don't bite off more than you can chew. . . Smart move but unfortunate for their fans and fans of vr. It puts Sony in a better position to garner more gamers as the uptake and popularity of VR continues to grow.
I have been waiting since 2014 but, I am probably not as much of a gamer but, I am certainly no casual. Not that that matters much.
@noc
“And did anyone hyped up the Xbox One X as the second coming?”
Yes, all MS fan boys did.
“So in other word, they also had zero game to show off their mid gen refresh system as well?”
Horizon, spider-man, god of war, etc. were all shown off with enhanced graphics. Meanwhile, MS were showing crap like lucky’s tale.
“ Meanwhile, MS were showing crap like lucky’s tale.”
Wait a minute, are we talking about old games or new games? And if we’re talking about old games, you do know that there were a sh*tload of games that were also enhanced for the Xbox One X too right? You guys keep spinning your tales that it is almost impossible to keep up.
“ I swear. . .king and obscure are one in the same. Why do you guys entertain them. You know what hurts their feelings the most. Ignoring them. . There are plenty level headed fans from all sides on here to converse and debate with. Skip these guys.”
Who started this conversation anyway? Do you even read the first comment that I responded to? Am I not allowed to response to people who make idiotic comments?
Wow now that is odd. I had 75 agrees to like 12 disagrees after a few hours of leaving my first comment. Then noting stayed the same almost a day. Wake up today now I have over 100 disagrees lol. In the last few hours I have managed to gain over 100 disagrees on a almost 2 day old post. I have a feeling a certain someone has many many alt accounts. Same with my second comment. I had 2 disagree and then in the last few hours gained another 76 lol.
I was intrigued by hololens some time back. I think it is rather expensive and maybe the experience it provides doesn’t translate well to gaming much. But whatever, MS should focus on what they see if important. No need to companies to be in lockstep.
Ooo if Microsoft did something like Dreams that would be great. We need more innovative 1st party games in the market.
i was thinking the same thing... innovation is taking risks and big bets on things exactly like Dreams and VR. Dreams is like, crazy - I mean they've tied up media molecule for how many years working on that "game" and still haven't released. It may end up being a big flop - who knows, but the risk and commitment sony has made towards that product is extremely impressive.
@Crazy
True it could be a huge flop. But at least Sony is letting MM create something extremely innovative. Which like you said is nice to see.
Not all risks end up in failure. We will just have to wait and see what happens.
I think those game creater games are biting off more than they can chew. I was hyped for project spark but once it released it was too hard to create. And Dreams been advertised since the beginning of the Gen and still hasn't released. The recent showing looked amazing, true good to be true type amazing.
@Obscure not sure why people are disagreeing I prefer Xbox too focus on delivering games for Xbox consoles.
Surprising they are doing all this twisting and turning over it. Sony has not been threatened yet.
"Just focus on great first party games and great innovative experiences!"
Hope that's true.. Focusing more on Quality then Quantity is very Important for Xbox Scarlett...
I am fairly convinced this is just a coy way for him to dismiss the VR thing but AR Will potentially be a focus of Project Scarlett down the road. I can just feel it...they invested heavily in AR on the commercial side and knowing Microsoft they may try to innovate and do something different and let Sony have the VR console space.
That's totally fine with me, but at the same time I'd love to also see some competition because that makes everyone better in the end.
Yeah only Sony needs VR. Maybe they can work out a deal for PSVR2 and more so third party VR. Not the games but, just the hardware in case they or someone else wants to drop some some vr games.
Not completely dismissing it either:
“I think we might get there [eventually],” Spencer concluded. “But yeah, that’s not where our focus is.”
And frankly I don't think anyones launch focus will be on selling a $500 console by offering a $400 peripheral to go with it. Expect they adopt a 3rd party PC headset if it happens.
If we're 100% honest VR isn't in the position it needs to be in yet. It's in a place where developers are still figuring out how to adapt to the design required for a dedicated VR game. The fact that the platform doesn't have a single major system seller that can only be played through VR is a big sign of its youth. AAA's so far only make use of it in a supplemental capacity.
I think Half-Life: Alyx could end up going a long way in pushing VR, and give developers a framework in how to design VR games. We're still waiting for a game to do to VR what Mario 64, OoT and Crash did for 3D game design.
The entire campaign of RE7 in VR was a 'wow' moment for gaming. VR still has a long way to go for sure, but amazing experiences that are only possible in VR are here already and have been here for years.
Uh robot rescue for psvr begs to differ ansoluetly hands down best gaming expirence in 40 years
I don't blame you for that take, but I just got VR, it is INSANE!!!
The advertisements do it absolutely no justice. The System sellers for me was Astro Bot, but now thay I played London Heist, I see why Blood & Truth may be a System Seller also.
@generic-user-name
I addressed RE7 in my comment. VR is used in a supplemental capacity. It is not mandatory and the gameplay does not push its usage in the way that HL: A is.
@Larrysweet
Which is why it's gone on to sell millions and push us into to a new age of VR gaming/s
You can enjoy as many VR games as you like, but the fact remains that there isnt a single major system seller for it. There is no one single game that has a general consensus of being the game that you should buy a VR headset for.
@telekineticmantis
Definitely not major system sellers. They're pushing VR headsets off the shelf at a snail's pace. Not to mention they dont push and gameplay boundaries or challenge the player in ways they've not been without the headset. At most Astrobot just wants you to look around the level to determine where to go. Its interesting, but doesnt challenge convention.
@all
Notice how you cant name a dedicated VR game that's sold millions? Even the one that as mentioned makes use of VR as an afterthought by adapting itself. The game fundamentally doesnt require VR so it is making use of it in a supplemental way. That's why this system doesnt have a major system seller yet.
Ultimately the experiences on the platform so far will at best be remembered as stepping stones. Good games, but not ones that define the platform. We're still waiting for that full AAA VR game to come.
VR needs a universal framework indeed. Devs need to sit down and form one formula by which all VR games are going to follow as a starting point. They need to provide studios with specific hardware and software toolsets and de-clatter VR's myriad of hardware combinations in a clear and concise timeframe so everyone can plan ahead. This will allow for a natural and rather risk free evolution of the medium.
Sony, Valve and HTC cannot do it alone and that's where MS comes in. They have the people and resources to help make VR what it deserves to be, what we deserve to have. They have a clear advantage that will help VR become a success and a mainstay; their multiplatform approach. They can allow any and all VR hardware to be Xbox compatible. No need to make their own but that would be an option as well. That will pave the way of more VR multiplatform games. It will help expand the medium.
But no...they are being MS to the core again by taking the "let the others lay down the foundation, take the hit and IF/when its ready we'll jump in and PR this thing as if we created everything" approach. Its a shame really.
@Ultra
While that does sound reasonable in practice, it seems that would be counter productive to the quick advancement of VR in the consumer space.
Consumer VR, in it's current form has several different implementations, each with their own pros and cons. While this did indeed divide the early development on the consumer side, it's led to advancement in tech as each of the companies ends up licensing patents from one another, and even working together to make new patents which can be helpful for all. Despite the competition, all the major companies involved still understand that to make it work for the long term, and not just fall into obscurity like past efforts, they all need to work together....which is what they're doing to varying degrees. For the most part, you don't see the vicious at each others throat that you'd expect to see from such new markets, but rather, respect among them all promoting it as a technology, instead of individual products.
They all have their own ideas, and they're implementing those ideas on their own, but those ideas aren't staying in a single space for the long term. We haven't seen this much as of yet, as we're still really just now getting to the 2nd gen of hardware, but as time goes on, the hardware, or at least the software connectivity of said software, is becoming homogenized.
As far as the software to make it all work, the hardware makers are well versed on what is required to make it work. Yes, DirectX was a huge leap in development for PC back in the day, but things were very different back then. Current VR API's work on top of other SDK's and API's, so the differences between them isn't as vast as one would see in various PC hardwares of the past.
At a base level, VR is merely an input mechanism, which is pretty basic and not any more complicated than how an analog stick works. How they all get that input data is different...like PSVR uses light and changes the input variable based on changes, while Occulus uses motion control sensors or acceleromers...but in the end, the output variable is the same. For the rendering routine, they still use whatever various graphics API's are out there, DX, GCN, OGL, Vulcan, etc. The output rendering is what is done differently on the headsets themselves, but for the most part, that happens as part of the rendering process, so it's adaptable to whichever rendering API is being used.
There are other things with VR API's that are necessary to make it work smoothly, but that's pretty technical. There are some differences between them, but overall, there isn't a great need for a common API to unite them all. MS has been trying to make a DX version of VR API's, and they are way behind the VR makers on their implementations. MS may have the teams, resources, and know how to do it, but the VR makers are focused on knowing what their hardware needs, and as time goes on, those are also going to become homogenized, and they'll end up sharing technology through licensing.
MS doesn't need to save the day for VR devs. The only reason that these games are locked to specific hardware is because of the way that the games are distributed, but the overall implementations can be ported fairly easily between all of the headsets. It's already being done, and some game engines even allow for this without much effort.
In the end, I think a common API will become a thing, but it will probably end up being an open source API created by the current hardware makers, and possibly any new entrant. They will have the dominate say in this, and they have more interest in a common API than MS does. MS only interest is to have people using their products or services.
@rain
True homogenisation and a robust open source API is the way forward for the time being. Like I said MS will enter if and when the VR market is mature and as risk free as possible.
PS: You are not one to leave a stone unturned, I'll give you that! Hehe
Actually vr does have system sellers with games like asgards wrath, stormland, chronos, to name a few.
Asgards wrath is definitely my favorite vr title but its alot more vr games that deserve credit as being a system seller.
@Gaming4Life1981
"Actually vr does have system sellers"
Any game can be called a system seller if theres even a minor sales spike during its launch. Notice how I used the word major? As in a game that goes on to sell millions and push hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of units. That's a real system seller, and VR currently doesnt have one of those. Every major game you could name is supplemented with VR capabilities, but never makes it mandatory.
If we consider RE7 to be a major system seller for VR then I would then no longer consider VR to be a platform; it would, at best, be a peripheral.
I don't think the headset is the most difficult component, otherwise the Windows Mixed Reality headsets wouldn't have tanked like they did. Sony, Facebook/Oculus, and HTC needed to invest in content and such in order to get their products to take off. Like, when Sony launches it's next PSVR, it'll probably be backwards compatible with all the other titles they've pushed, and tracking issues will be immediately upgraded. So all that investment should pay off and make it more difficult for someone like Xbox to come in at ground zero. Not sure - maybe it's easier than it looks, but I think MS might have trouble competing w/ Sony in VR later on down the road.
Yeah, MS letting their competition get a solid foundation built in VR before entering the market could prove to be a mistake.
They don't have the foresight to set up a foundation for VR to succeed. I find it idiotic we have people bringing up low sales of VR and adoption. Sure it's an expensive peripheral, but, how come $200 Elite controller's and adaptive controllers aren't frowned upon for how few people use them? VR like those peripherals are just another option to open up gaming options
On the idea the numbers are too low. Uncharted 1 did what 50,000 units its 1st month. Can you imagine if Sony gave up on it at that point? Uncharted 4 did 2.7 million units at launch however because Sony built up the franchise. VR also needs a foundation to build on.
agreed. i mean VR would be really tough for Xbox to get into now. When sony released psvr, we were well into ps4's life cycle so there was an established base of customers that could buy psvr, and amazingly psvr worked with ALL ps4 consoles. So % of VR customers maybe low, but low % of a big number helps. Xbox couldn't have gotten VR to work with OG xbox even if they wanted to, so would at best be able to get a small % of X1X console owners which would be a REALLY small #. With Scarlett at launch, they'll have the same problem with an initially small user base as well as a small catalog of VR games. To make matters worse, the more they push customers to "console-less" the harder it will be to sell them VR stuff because you can't stream VR. I'm thinking you'll see Nintendo with a real VR solution before MS...
Agree that neither will bundle VR with the console. However I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft added support for 3rd party VR headsets to the console in the future.
Back in Sydney in 2016, Spencer told us that VR would come to Xbox One X (then Project Scorpio) when it didn’t feel like “demos and experiments.”
“Yeah,” he said with a frown. “I don’t love my quote there because I’m not trying to demean the work that people are doing in VR,” he said, mirroring a follow-up to his opening statement in Sydney.
This one is not much better:
“I have some issues with VR — it’s isolating and I think of games as a communal, kind of together experience. We’re responding to what our customers are asking for and… nobody’s asking for VR,” Spencer said.
It's even worse
Wouldn’t the peripheral still cost the same?
Or you mean Microsoft should play it safe and just update to support another brand.
But then again.. the pc versions already owned would have PCs that negate purchasing an Xbox so it is a lose lose situation I guess.
Clearly sony has thought about this and will be allowing all psvr headsets to use the ps5 so the 4 million headset owners can just plug in their existing hardware and experience next gen titles
"We're responding to what our customers are asking for and... nobody's asking for VR." - this sounds like a quote that will go into a book about MS someday
Well... he's not wrong. Nobody (MS customers) is asking for VR because they need to address the major concern of games first and foremost.
I really, really, really doubt that their customers haven't been asking for VR.
They teased their audience at least twice with a staunch promise of VR on Xbox One and then walked their promises back, so if anything people are more likely to be less interested now because they don't trust Microsoft to follow through on these promises, not because they aren't interested in VR.
People don't always know what they want until they get it. This is more true when it comes to console owners, because as far as I can tell, they never seem to want what they don't have, but if they do have it, it's the most amazing thing ever that is the bestest thing to have above all other things that exist.
And that's not just talking about Xbox fans, although I recall many of them were all about VR for those 4-5 months that they thought that Occulus was going to be compatible with X1X, because Spencer decided to announce they were going to support it because Sony was making headway in marketing the PSVR.
However, I do think MS should focus on games more. They'd just half-ass their way into the VR market like they do with so many other products they decide to get into late after the markets are established by others. No need to have them bring their brand of incompetence to the VR market when the bigger players are doing it better already.
@rainslacker
"They'd just half-ass their way into the VR market like they do with so many other products they decide to get into late after the markets are established by others."
Xbox under Spencer came late for BC, services like Gamepass and XCloud, and yet so far, overall impressions is that Microsoft is doing a better job than competitors.
"No need to have them bring their brand of incompetence to the VR market when the bigger players are doing it better already."
"Doing better" can be subjective. You see, I don´t think many first party studios at Sony is willing to try and develop a high quality VR game after what happened to Guerrilla Cambridge and Evolution Studios. Phil Spencer is right to not put extra pressure on their first party studios over an infant niche market with an in-house VR solution when apparently, the only VR killer app will be a Valve exclusive. They need to deliver on console centric first party games both on quality and quantity. Phil is making the right call here.
@Obscure
Great, they're doing better than the competition.
but do you really want me to bring up the long list of things that MS has half-assed it's way through when coming in late to markets? Hell, they already half-assed their VR attempts....if you want to call it that....with the X1X marketing, and so far, haven't even made AR/MR, or whatever they want to call it a thing worth paying attention to.
Doing better isn't subjective in this case. They either make something worthwhile, or they don't. For all the talk about how much of a awesome dude Spencer is, they can't even get their own DX VR API's to be worth anything that devs want to use, and are way behind the hardware makers, or even Valve. Spencer isn't even in charge of the whole DX VR stuff anyways, and if he can't get MS proper to get VR right, then he's not going to do much worthwhile on the Xbox.
Small market or not, I'm sure that MS would love to be able to attract those extra 3-4 million people that brought PSVR. That's would be a 10-12% increase in their current number of consoles sold. Instead, they're interested in attracting the customers that want to get games really cheap, because why not. Why bother with an expensive technology which makes lots of money in software sales, when you can sell a rental service for
cheap?
I agree Spencer is right to not put the extra pressure on their 3rd party to make VR games. There's no point for them to do so. MS doesn't support VR on consoles, and they seem to not care about it on PC, so why bother having their studios support it since people aren't using their products to make the VR games? Of course, they have those studios of theirs making VR games, but that's different.
@rainslacker
"but do you really want me to bring up the long list of things that MS has half-assed it's way through when coming in late to markets? Hell, they already half-assed their VR attempts....if you want to call it that....with the X1X marketing, and so far, haven't even made AR/MR, or whatever they want to call it a thing worth paying attention to"
I told you, Phil Spencer has his fair quota of mistakes this gen. He learned. He´s more experienced now and know better than make the same mistakes again.
"Doing better isn't subjective in this case. They either make something worthwhile, or they don't. For all the talk about how much of a awesome dude Spencer is, they can't even get their own DX VR API's to be worth anything that devs want to use, and are way behind the hardware makers, or even Valve. Spencer isn't even in charge of the whole DX VR stuff anyways, and if he can't get MS proper to get VR right, then he's not going to do much worthwhile on the Xbox."
I´m not familiar with the subject presented by you, so i´ll just take your word for it.
"Small market or not, I'm sure that MS would love to be able to attract those extra 3-4 million people that brought PSVR. That's would be a 10-12% increase in their current number of consoles sold."
There´s a price to pay. In Microsoft´s case, not worth it. "I hate how Microsoft turned RARE into a Kinect gimmick studio". We don´t need any of Xbox Games Studios pressured to do what they don´t want to do. Not anymore. Not again.
At the momment, Sony has less first party studios than Microsoft and some of those studios will be tasked on develop/creation of first party PSVR games for Playstation like or not, otherwise PSVR will certainly meet the same fate as Vita. Sony gonna spend a lot of money on marketing, tech and software to support PSVR and its small userbase.
Xbox will be better just focusing on console centric games for the time been.
I'll take you're word for it. More so than I'll take Spencers. At least we agree it's probably pointless for MS to chase after VR, and they should focus on the games more.
In my opinion - Microsoft are waiting to see how Apples AR glasses do when they are released in 2021. If they are a big hit that'll become the real "next big thing". Fortunately for MS, they already have done a lot of work in the past, albeit at enterprise level with HoloLens and could be well placed if Apple go ahead and make that tech mainstream.
Comes to mind what Henry Ford said: "If we had asked what people wanted, they would had said "faster horses""
Like Darth said it's not wrong nobody is asking for it. Love Phil or hate him you have to admit under him they've listen and addressed what ppl have been asking for. Power, BC, More 1st party, etc. Not one is screaming for VR so it'll be on the back burner.
Considering how long VR has been out and this new Half Life game being the only game getting people excited for VR, I say it shouldn't be a focus either, but rather a far off option.
What other game exclusively for VR has been announced that has generated this much excitement, anticipation and media coverage than this Half Life? ...lool...
A Half-Life sequel would re-popularize Tamagotchis.
Earlier this generation, you were defending many of Microsoft's "far off options". Despite looking beyond the hardware, they're still going to be behind the the PS5 for yet another generation. I get that they want to start a generation focusing on "the right things", but they have the means and the resources to support VR well. They have bought studios that make VR games that will skip their very own Xbox hardware for most of another generation, unless those games have 2D modes (which isn't a given). For some reason they promised Oculus was coming to the XB1, they promised that the XB1X would be home to the "highest-fidelity VR", and they decide to walk it back when they're in almost the best position to enter. They more-or-less give expensive to make games away on a cheap subscription, but investing in VR... THAT's what's too risky.
@DigitalRaptor
You said a lot without saying anything at all. But you're not answering the question, what games have released other than Half Life exclusively for VR that has had this amount of attention and excitement?
"Earlier this generation, you were defending many of Microsoft's "far off options"."
What options were those that I was ..."defending". Something tells me I was probably only excited to see what they could do with it with what they may have shown off. This usually gets confused with "defending" around here.
"..and they decide to walk it back when they're in almost the best position to enter"
Yes and for good reason too, its an expensive peripheral that doesn't even make up half the sales of the PS4 and even less compelling software to boot.
Why would MS focus it's attention on that? There would be no benefit, especially if they wouldn't have the studios developing anything of substance for it if they would have gone ahead and had Oculus support or their own VR for Xbox.
"They more-or-less give expensive to make games away on a cheap subscription, but investing in VR... THAT's what's too risky."
Yes, a subscription service that pays out monthly vs a one time high prices peripheral that is not even guaranteed to sell off the shelves because of low interest or no compelling software.
What makes more business sense?
If you were to look at the Amazon best sellers list right now for the US, you'd see the Oculus Quest at #39, higher than any Xbox console. I don't think it's as far off as you think...
So the Oculus Quest is selling right now higher than the console thats going into it's last year.. could OR being doing this because Half Life was announced for VR?
That still doesn't explain the lack of true big triple A games for VR through out the years these headsets have been out.
You're right that Half Life has gotten people REALLY excited for a VR game, but this does not mean people were not already excited for VR games. Has any other VR exclusive generated as much hype as HL:A? Obviously not, but that's because it's Half Life, it would generate hype no matter the platform because of it's history. Kinda hard for new IPs like Boneworks (look it up, looks amazing) or Firewall to match the hype of the most demanded game of the last 15 years.
Half Life could be a real launching point for what VR games can be (judging by Valve's track record) and it's only a few months away. Seems very premature for Phil to make comments like these for the next generation. But Phil can change his mind, he already proved as much when Scorpio was advertised as including 'high fidelity VR', a promise that was quietly swept under the rug after the X launched.
"Kinda hard for new IPs like Boneworks (look it up, looks amazing) or Firewall to match the hype of the most demanded game of the last 15 years."
Why though? Consoles announce new IPs all the time that generate a ton of hype with media coverage and yet VR can't do the same?
Not even Sony with their power house IPs took the time to make a GoW, Infamous, Killzone(!!) to generate huge hype for their own PSVR, instead they relied on surprise hits like Astrobot but even then that wouldn't be enough for anyone to run out and get VR or wish they had one.
"Seems very premature for Phil to make comments like these for the next generation."
Also Phil is saying they may still release one but it's definitely not the sole focus. Not to mention this site as I have learned tends to misquote or leave out key important details in order to provide clickbait headlines. They did something similar when they reported MS was going to make exclusive games for Xcloud.
@Gangsta
***"Not to mention this site as I have learned tends to misquote or leave out key important details in order to provide clickbait headlines."***
This.
I was at XO19 and new that what Choudry had actually said and what Stevivor reported were not the same, not even close. That's why I flagged the article.
In the past 24 hours.
"Speaking to Gamasutra, an Xbox spokesperson said that currently the company has “no plans for cloud-exclusive content"
I'm not so sure your right considering how long the Xbox One has been out and the focus they've put on it when no one wants the thing. Clearly Microsoft can focus on something like VR lets look at what has been the Xbox One. XBO released back in 2013 and no one ask for it and really no one purchased the thing so what did Microsoft do? They double down on it and release the XBO S and to no surprise no one wanted that. So Microsoft then thinks if they triple down on the XBO by releasing the XBO X it's what the gaming world is waiting for but again to no surprise no one wants the thing. All said that's some intense focus when you need system selling games to support your box which Microsoft has released not one system seller to date but they "listen to their fans " and the Xbox fans keep telling them "it's the box and we need a all digital box as well" so Microsoft listens and gives them another box as we on the outside watch and say " wow! This is like United States politics you can't make this stuff up" yet here we are. So not to offend but I think Microsoft could focus on VR but they need you Xbox fans to believe that all they're focus is on Xbox Game Pass filler games and to no surprise filler is what you'll get.
"Why though? Consoles announce new IPs all the time that generate a ton of hype with media coverage and yet VR can't do the same?"
Show me one new IP announcement who's hype would not be eclipsed by a Half Life 3 announcement. Not possible, it's a super high standard and nobody would expect that, so the same is true of VR. Just because the Alyx hype is super high, doesn't mean people aren't excited about Boneworks or Iron Man VR or whatever.
I think you're missing the point. Sony or any huge third developer could have gotten the same type of hype by announcing any of well known, anticipated IP exclusively for VR.
Valve is doing it with Half Life, but again, why this long, why is this the only game in however long VR has been out on the market to now get this attention with a game that more people are actually excited and need VR to play?
"Just because the Alyx hype is super high, doesn't mean people aren't excited about Boneworks or Iron Man VR or whatever."
Again, not the point. People may be excited to play those games you mentioned but they're not super amped to go out and consider spending money on VR for them. Example, Im excited for Astral Chain, I'm not going out to spend money on a Switch tho.
Seeing HL:A was the first time I actually rubbed my chin and told myself I need VR. And I'm sure it was like that for many who do have capable PCs but still don't have a VR headset because the library for it isn't worth the extra $400+.
No problem with this. Let Microsoft focus on games next gen not expensive peripherals
Exactly. If you look on Microsoft's Xbox request forum, VR is not a highly requested item from the Xbox community. Now that the VR hype has died down, I can imagine MS is relieved that they didn't enter the console VR market. Maybe at the tail end of next gen. I just don't want MS first party teams working on VR. Leave VR for Windows and PS5.
devil's advocate - Xbox series 2 elite controller: $180 - that's probably the most expensive peripheral out there. PSVR is $300 but it is NOT just a peripheral - it's a platform with tons of games on it that the base PS4 doesn't have.
Terrible devils advocate the Xbox Series 2 Elite isn't taking talent and teams away from creating games. It's out in the wild now and the focus is on building 1st party studios NOT supporting a peripheral with studios that could be dedicated to creating amazing games. I'm actually a fan of PSVR but the efforts in creating unique VR experiences has dwindled.
Microsoft needs to build trust with gamers that it can create world class 1st party experiences. Sony has the luxury of placing a bit of focus on VR because it has already established itself. Microsoft is making the right choice IMO for now.
i do agree that MS could not be successful at VR right now and is better off trying to close the gap in more critical areas right now.
Just focus to strengthen your games, quality is not up there yet compare to the competition. Dont spread yourself to thin, once you have quality games that not just the halo,gears,forza then make vr.
Gen 3 headsets are when the market will really take off. So I doubt very much that Microsoft wont be apart of that
They're already too late...no games for their flagship console then all of a sudden they're in it in the third gen VR?
Please... they'll just add support for Oculus or htc and piggyback.
Can’t wait for psvr2 with ps5. I could get psvr now. but is to late Since ps5 is next year.. So if Sony is making vr2 I definitely will cop it on first release date with ps5
PS5 will support the PSVR1 and will no doubt be a real boost for it in terms of power, so I think now is a pretty good time to jump in on PSVR, considering PSVR2 is likely still 3 years out.
psvr2 is going to happen since the ps5 is a powerful console. So I can wait.
It will happen of course but I would not expect a psvr 2 until at least late 2021.
If the psvr2 come out next year or 2021 is automatic first day buy for me.
Not really. Beside a few small game here and there, what VR game had set the world on fire?
Wipeout
Driveclub
Astrobot
Farpoint
Firewall: zero hour
Beat saber ...there's more...is this really a conversation?
@sierra
My point still stands. Which of those game set the world on fire and screams “must have”? Which of those game provides a full $60 experience?
It is not a single game that makes VR worthy, it is the whole experience that makes the price justified.
Really? Do people here really believe the stuff they post here? The only sure fire VR experience you could champion the technology listed is ASTROBOT. Beat Saber is also pretty great but neither or none of the games listed are killer app must have system sellers.
Is that all you play, "games that set the world on fire"?
How many games have you played in your life?
“ Is that all you play, "games that set the world on fire"? ”
No I don’t. However, when you have people who praise an expensive hardware to heaven and back but have only 1 or 2 great games to back it up, it reminds me of a certain fanbase who always bash the other fanbase for the same issue. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Yeah... More than 1.000.000......what you say is ridicoulus, i mean 5... Come on, you can do better.
It isn't considering vr has never been better with a much clear and bright future. Terrible news for the certain platforms that always loves to follow.
YIIIIIIIIIKKKKEESSSSSSSSSSS.
In PS5, Sony is not only looking to have the most powerful AND fastest machine, not only is it going to have world-class exclusive games including sequels to games such as Spider-Man, God of War and Horizon, but its next-gen leap forward in VR experiences will go unrivalled... again. If they think simply having more content for Game Pass is going to put them at the forefront in this upcoming generation (other than sponsored fluff-pieces written to talk about Value™), I doubt they've learned much. I really don't expect MS to be competitive where it counts next-gen - which is surprising to me, since Sony is in a stronger position than they were going into the PS4 generation... and that's saying something.
“ If they think simply having more content for Game Pass is going to put them at the forefront in this upcoming generation”
Uhh forgive me if I’m wrong, but do we play games or do we play hardware? How is having more great games on their service won’t give them any advantage? What good is VR if it doesn’t have any interesting games?
"but its next-gen leap forward in VR experiences will go unrivalled"
If the VR library is as damp as the one as PSVR's this gen then it wont be much of a loss of those VR experiences go unrivalled. But it is a risk on MS' part IF somehow VR really does take off properly next gen.
Half Life could be the killer app we have been waiting for as far as VR is concerned.
"If" ... VR has never been better with chapter prices and better games. And its only getting better.
Let me spoiled it for you, VR will take off next gen and Xbox will jump in at some point and claim to have been leading the whole time.
That “damp” library had some of the best gaming experiences of the generation for me, which is more than you could say about the entirety of the Xbox library. Next gen VR will continue to get better. MS will be bringing in their own headset somewhere down the line, but in the time being they will continue to downplay the elephant in the room (lack of VR). MS is in a bad spot because they cant introduce a headset until the dust settles on the launch of new consoles. Until then, you will get PR talk from them.
So now we're using current generation offerings as an indicator of future titles and success? Seems like a bold contradiction from an Xbox fan doesn't it? What happened to all the, "It'll be better in the future, just give it time" that we've heard all gen from you and some others.
Sony has worked to make VR more of a thing this gen than MS has done to make games a thing on Xbox this gen, yet somehow, you seem to believe that Sony is the one not showing enough initiative, and that the VR library is "damp"? Sorry, but the VR library is filled with quality games that are really worth the experience. I've seen Xbox fans praise games which aren't as good, or even as good looking as some of the PSVR games, much less the PC VR games that exist, so I can't believe that you believe that the VR library is weak, or at least take you seriously to think that you aren't injecting bias into your perception. VR games don't get the same kind of exposure as bigger games or exclusives...especially on here, but if you are interested in VR, there are places which have more information about what's out there, and VR owners know where to go.
VR doesn't need a killer app. It's a slow burn to adoption. Sony has surpassed their own expectations, and both HTC and Occulus seem to be OK with how the market is growing. It's not going anywhere anytime soon, and it's only going to get better. If MS waits until the market is big enough, then the compeition is going to be entrenched, and in the end, all they'll do is just partner with a 3rd party hardware maker to have it available on their console, but the PC hardware makers aren't going to give up their own interests on the PC side, so MS may end up being the odd man out....assuming anyone cares about their VR "solution" to begin with.
"If they think simply having more content for Game Pass is going to put them at the forefront in this upcoming generation ..."
Having more games to play on a console is now somehow not enough everyone. You heard it hear first.
Yes, let's also throw out a $400/500 extra peripheral with a library of say 2 or 4 exciting titles with the rest as tech demos or filler.
Yikes indeed, MS is definitely going to be in trouble next gen.
"Yes, let's also throw out a $400/500 extra peripheral with a library of say 2 or 4 exciting titles"
Hmmm, sounds familiar, almost like how MS got you guys to pay 500 dollars twice on hardware for two 2-4 exciting exclusives in a 6 year period huh?
Dont talk about $400/$500 anything and complain about lack of exciting titles if you are MS fanboy.. Because Sea Of Thieves, State of decay, and Crackdown 3 are more exciting than VR? give me a break
"Yes, let's also throw out a $400/500 extra peripheral with a library of say 2 or 4 exciting titles"
This coming from an Xbox fan. Simply Hilarious.
"Yikes indeed, MS is definitely going to be in trouble next gen."
I wouldn't say that. Supporting VR must be difficult when you are still trying to finally support your main console. It wouldn't surprise me if Xbox wanted to do VR but they probably can't.
At the end, the ones missing out wont be Xbox, it will be their fans. Sad.
@Xabi
"MS got you guys to pay 500 dollars twice on hardware for two 2-4 exciting exclusives in a 6 year period huh?"
Exactly what did MS do to make us pay twice?
@Nowitzki
"Because Sea Of Thieves, State of decay, and Crackdown 3 are more exciting than VR? give me a break"
Yes, those three titles are much more exciting to play than VR.
@Finch
"It wouldn't surprise me if Xbox wanted to do VR but they probably can't."
Yes, a tech giant that already has their own AR/VR headset for PC can't do VR.
"the ones missing out wont be Xbox, it will be their fans. Sad."
The only thing sad is actually believing fans are missing out on anything involving VR, but that is hilarious coming from a Sony fan, simply hilarious.
@Alvira
"There are over 600 PSVR games, they just don't always get a lot of press because the market is small."
600 games and not one of those has caused the market to take off. Thanks for the back up.
""options" you say every time your defending one of Microsoft's ideas everyone else realizes is a bad idea?"
What are these "options" that you're parroting I'm defending from MS? Would be nice to get some context on this.
"And other people have explained to you already how hypocritical you're being, so I won't go over that again"
Actually no one has, you all are just getting upset and telling me how fun VR is but I never argued against that or said it wasn't.
The only thing you and others in these replies have actually talked about is how I "defend" MS options, whatever that means and how there's a bunch of games for VR when I never said there weren't.
Of course MS providing more games for their console has now turned into a bad thing which is the true hypocrisy that should be getting discussed.
Their focus is on GP, smartphones and xcloud next gen. Matt Booty and other MS execs have intimated this many times. They want a billion consumers. No console will ever have a 1/5th of that as an install base. Lumping in PC doesn't approach that number. GP isn't a sustainable service without hundreds of millions of subscribers. Netflix is losing boatloads of cash each quarter and that's with 60 million subs! Have you not seen the latest MS commercials? Laptops and phones alongside console featuring GP titles. Focus on the core? They haven't done that since the 360 days. Accessibility will be the new buzzword next gen.
You have no idea what your talking talking about I really hope Sony is paying you good
Ahhh, the old trick of trying to smatter a falsehood with a few true facts in order to mislead one's audience. Microsoft is a huge company, they focus on many different things at once, one of them is the cloud , one of them is gamespass, but they are not focused on smartphones at all, in fact they left that market completely and only have a couple of mobile games. They are also focused on core titles via their new acquisitions and current studios. Nice try though.
Good. Focus on the content from the first party studios, not VR. Didn't psvr sell like around 5mil out of 100mil? Staying away from gimmicks like kinect or vr for now is the best they can and should do.
That's only 5% of the entire PS4's sold, but it's about 12% of how many Xbox's sold.
I dunno know what MS feels about it, but I'm sure they'd probably want to cater to those 5 million potential customers that may want VR. The market is only growing.
I don't think MS should focus on it though. I really doubt they'd do anything worthwhile in the market, and for the past 2 years they've been making their DirectX VR API's which are still crap and far behind the companies API's that are actually making the hardware.
MS can focus on games, then limp into the market when they see it as worth buying their way in, then quietly leave the market when they fail in it miserably, after spending a couple years saying how innovative they are to market their wares for VR, despite doing nothing of worth. Kind of how they did the cell phone market.
You know what makes even less sense? When it comes to all these new studios they own and game pass the constant is wow look at all the OPTIONS! Ironically one of their new studios makes VR games they could literally port over. Then when VR is brought up, only 5% use it, no one needs that expensive peripheral. Okay then do these people criticize that only a handful of people use those $200 Elite controllers? How about those adaptive controllers how many people use those? Would they complain if someone bought a $1000 driving rig for Forza?
No they wouldn't it's just more gaming options that bring more excitement to gaming. Also for the idiots that consider the percentages when they argue for not having VR, did they take into account those percentage when they bought the system that sold the least?!
The argument about how few it sold makes no sense. That would be like me saying they should stop making so many horror movies because they don't make billions like Marvel movies. Its ridiculous. Different things cater to different people and as long as the companies make a profit then who cares?! More options are bad now guys.
PSVR has had a huge attach rate of games to the PSVR platform. Sony said from the start that this was to be looked at like the PS1 launch or the start of smart phones like the blackberry. It's far from a gimmick, and is going into full BC support with PS5. This is not going to replace flat screen viewing, but make no mistake, VR is here to stay and run in addition to (not replace) flat screen viewing. Not anything like kinect.
Project Scarlett not a focus of mine.
Actually not involved or interested in any MS "project".
Good dont let VR be a main focus that’s what PS5 is for I plan on having both systems as I do every gen
VR isn't exactly selling out everywhere and the companies are not having problems manufacturing it. I have Oculus for PC and it is one of the many dust collecting technologies in my home.
This is a good thing. Xbox chiefs might want to focus on making console sellers.
It's so funny watching Xbox fans squirm to excuse Xbox and Phil again.
"We want games."
VR games **ARE GAMES.** They don't have to not make regular games. They can make both. Microsoft even has VR developers under their belt now to make some as they have made games already for other platforms. All we hear from the other side is "it's just OPTIONS."
Then, VR should be an OPTION too. To say that there are no fans for it on the platform is naive. It's why some fans left to PlayStation and PC because they're weren't any VR options on Xbox.
And, even though there are games on multiple headsets that prove VR is great and viable, they ignore them and say "what games?" When you already know what those games are.
It had better be a secondary OPTION, or Microsoft is looking at more gamers leaving the platform for other OPTIONS.
If they weren't so keen on VR, then why partner with 7-10 hardware manufactures to create Windows Mixed Reality if *no one is asking for it?*
Obviously they were asking. Microsoft just didn't make any games to back up WMR which is why they failed on PC and are discounted to next to nothing. As usual, Microsoft waits for others to succeed so that they can piggyback off of them. This is why they are less supported than other platforms. They don't take risks.
VR games are games does not kale it a valuable option and statistics prove that the new half life game is the most exciting thing that has come to VR in a long time and has nothing to do with Sony your clearly not a Xbox fan hate xbox and dont own or play one cause Xbox fans do not want any VR right now maybe very distant future but now? No way the rest is just you stupidly ranting about stuff you have no idea about and assuming no enjoy your Sony box stop worrying about a console and company you hate please
"Xbox fans do not want any VR right no"
Why do you think you can speak for everyone? So you want VR but not "right now". Sure Buddy.
And also at this point very distant future is not about wanting or not, on Xbox you only get distant future and nothing else. Have fun waiting.
If ms had of supported vr on xbox this gen I would have 100% bought the headset, racing and first person games really are not the same once you take that headset off, I cant wait to see what the psvr2 is like with the ps5 powering it, I think it's a missed opportunity of Ms's part🤷♂️
@LordJamar
Nah I own an Xbox 360 with a great collection and an Xbox One with a bunch of games too, so you're making baseless assumptions just like how you assume no one wants a peripheral that adds more option's. Do you also complain about $200 Xbox Elite controller's? $1000 driving rigs? $300 headsets? There's a place for peripherals that expand gaming experiences. It's the lack of foresight and the over reliance of MS on their main franchises that I will never own only an Xbox system however. PS4 and Switch offer me far more new gaming experiences over my Xbox One.
As for studio purchases. Been asking for those for awhile. Its year 18. It's no ones fault, but, Xbox for being so behind. By the time the bigger games came out it will be passed year 20 before we see the fruits of those purchases. Do you think any other company could afford to wait that long? If it weren't for MS pockets they never would even make it to year 20.
Their own studio Inxile makes VR games too. They made A Mages Tale for Oculus and PSVR. Not sure why those low percentages make a difference? Does anyone say I won't buy a $200 Elite controller, expensive adaptive controllers or driving rig for Forza and say man those percentages are low? I'm sure NO ONE has bought say a $300 headset for gaming right? $1000-2000 driving rig for say Forza? $200 Elite controller's? Oh right no one frowns on those peripheral options, but, yeah more game options on a system seriously lacking games?! Who wants more game options though?!
For the idiots that think percentages matter. Uncharted 1 did 50,000 units when it launched, can you imagine if Sony just up and gave up on that franchise? Uncharted 4 only sold 2.7 million units day one because Sony had the foresight to keep building the franchise up. Same for all Sony and Nintendo studios which now sell millions they don't start at the top, they work uphill till they get to the summit. It's why 18 years into Xbox life people still ask where are the games.
Jamar, you just embarrassed yourself. Inxile with Mage's Tale and Ninja Theory with Hellblade and the awards they got before Microsoft bought them proves your ignorance about VR. One game was built for VR. The other was a flat game made into VR and they both work.
The dummy is you for now defending less options and less features for those that want it on Xbox. Go on Reddit, Eurogamer or any site talking about this and you'll see how foolish your comment is.
On Reddit, type in Xbox VR if you're not a scared little girl. You'll see gamers are looking for VR. Phil is just sending them directly to PC and Sony. Sucks to be you. But you'll say Phil can do no wrong or Phil is always right and gamer friendly. He's got you fooled.
A Sony girl through and through but this is a bit disappointing.
Minecraft VR and Halo VR would make me invest in their VR... Hopefully, this isn't completely true and they throw out surprises at their next event because.VR is the future... Period (not saying flat gaming is going anywhere).
Get me regular games first, and then worry about it later.
After all, Sony has still only really toed the line In many ways still (Vita had more and better first party support), and they’re one of the biggest VR supporters to date. So it’s probably just not quite “ready” for the masses yet.
By time this coming generation is at its prime, or is nearing its “typical completion” though, it might be time to really think about it imo. You can find VR entertainment stands at malls, popular vacation spots, etc more and more often so we are getting there though.
As a fan of both Xbox and PlayStation this is a mistake, because I want to see what Microsoft can do with VR and with both companies pushing VR it would be better for every one, but instead Microsoft is letter Sony get ahead. I can easily see a Halo game in VR being a hit, but I guess that won't be happening, sadly.
Just make the PC VR compatible with the console and you wont have to invest in it, duhhhhh.
Not only does the competition have more games they even have a VR solution. Why are ppl still hanging onto Microsoft?
They have no choice, they are way too invest. I see it like Stockholm syndrome.
For now, it's because MS is offering cheap games. That's gonna be good for them until it's not so cheap anymore, or the quality of the content goes down. OTOH, Xbox fans seem to not be that into big AAA games anymore, so maybe it's fine for them. Maybe Xbox fans are moving to be more casual, which is quite surprising given that last gen, it was all about the big megaton releases which would kill the competition.
I think they are just following them like a cult. If they declared tomorrow that games are now on sd cards you will find xbox fans following that and defending them.... I guess there's no hope now I wish I could help them
Microsoft is not aligned with making games in the way consumers want to consume them.
It's good for them to not put all their eggs in one basket *coughkinekt
And yes, Kinekt is Kinekt and VR is VR...
But if you were making big business decisions, I think you would do the same thing after the abortion of motion controls. They just need good, "normal" games right now. Because they sure don't have them currently HEY OH
They can't focus on VR. They're having a hard enough time providing games to their console. How are they going to be able to dedicated development to a peripheral?
Phil needs to be replaced. As soon as he took over Xbox division xbox started doing like shit. They need somebody else to lead the division now, he failed to deliver and he is most likely will fail the xbox brand again next gen.
These new consoles supposedly have more power then or at least as much as some of the lower level current vr ready pc's why not just have it available as an option??
It's hard to blame them. VR may be an exciting technology but it almost seems like a vanity project for the foreseeable future.
There was a report that came out about how something like 1% of Steam users are VR capable. Imagine selling a big new game for a system that only has 1% or gamers using it.
Obviously the hope is that the number grows over time but still, that seems like a big ask.
Ultimately I think Microsoft is smart in waiting.
MS isn't going to jump on anything that won't give them a profit or a foothold from day one. I do know when all of the hard work is done, and MS eventually does jump into VR, they will say they have the best and most advanced out of all of the VR ever created.
Focus more on the games and exclusives and you’ll do better. VR should be explored only when your console gets back on its feet
Umm... They can do both.
Look up Mage's Tale or Hellblade. Inxile and Ninja Theory are now Microsoft developers. Even Minecraft can be played in VR.
Yeah. They can do both. Don't give them excuses.
They can't focus on VR. They have trouble making regular gaming so it would be disastrous for then to even think of VR.
PlayStation is a more mature console and they have proven they can handle VR as they are currently dominating that market.
See comment above. They can do it. While third parties fill in the blanks just like on PSVR. Phil is just making excuses.
Ok there's a few things to unpack in his statements. But let's also ignore that ms made everyone believe VR was coming to the X when they announced fallout 4 VR alongside the X in the same presentation and had them state they are happy to finally see a console powerful enough to play it.
"nobody’s selling millions and millions” of VR units."
Psvr units alone were publicly announced at 4 million that's enough to quantify millions of sales. Not to mention vive and occulus sales.
"I have some issues with VR — it’s isolating and I think of games as a communal, kind of together experience" some of the biggest games on VR are multiplayer titles like firewall.
"nobody’s asking for VR" based on what 4 million sales of psvr units alone not to mention other headsets or based on just your opinion.
Look I own a headset I love it but I'm not ignorant if the fact that it's very early days for the tech and it's not mainstream and won't be for a long time but these steps are required to get there you have to build a new before you can build a switch
communal as in multiple people in the same room enjoying the game. As of now you cant do that with VR. it is still a singular experience while the other person uses the tv (or messes with the person wearing the headset).
If MS is working on something for next gen, i have a feeling it will allow for multiple users to each have their own HMD on the same system. I know its possible but very taxing on the hardware, not to mention the amount of space needed so you dont bump into each other.
Good, cloud gaming like Stadia and project Xcloud is the future of gaming, NOT VR
When VR hit $100 we'll talk. Halo 1 in VR would be sweet. Be is and will grow but it's not something they should focus on right now. Come back mid next gen to start talks and the gen after the upcoming next gen is when I think would be a good time to launch a VR device (no more than. $200) Xbox V: halo 7 VR bundle for $600 that's something I can see ppl buying
So, Phil, you don't want for your Xbox community to have different experience.
Thank you Sony for Astro Bot, Thumper, RE7, Tetris Effect and so on...
If you own literally any other platform (PS4, PC, Switch), there are very few reasons to buy Xbox hardware at all, let alone right at the end of the generation when next gen machines will be fully backwards compatible with current gen.
I always owned all 3 platforms (Sony, Ms, Nintendo) when I could afford it because they all had something to offer in previous generations, so I want to be clear I'm not just bashing MS here, but through their decisions software wise this gen they have gone out of their way to make Xbox hardware redundant this generation.
I can access literally everything Xbox has to offer on my Switch, PC or PS4. That may be their plan in the long run to eventually phase into being more of a publisher, but it's just objectively nothing but bad news for their hardware division when you design your own consoles redundancy.
There was no reason for me to buy an XBO at the beginning of the current gen & there's definitely no reason for me to adopt one now.
I brought an Xbox one shortly after halo 5 dropped abd the only game I'd highly recommend playing would be sunset overdrive which is now on PC anyway
I wouldn’t get ether
Earth defence force 5 needs to be on Xbox one