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Redfall Developer Has Already Started Work on Its Next Game

Arkane Studios is thinking ahead and focusing on its next AAA game, which might add to the controversy surrounding Redfall's disappointing launch.

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Vengeance1138389d ago

Will any lessons be learned at all from their last colossal failure? Probably not. Arkane may as well be a brand new developer as they now must prove their worth all over again from scratch. What reason does anyone have to hype your next title?

Sciurus_vulgaris388d ago

Arkane is actually two Studios, Arkane Lyon and Arkane Austin. Arkane Lyon developed Dishonoured and Deathloop. Arkane Austin is the developer of Prey (2017) and Redfall. I very much enjoyed Prey (2017) despite it technical issues the level design was great, so it sad to see the studio drop off so much from game-to-game.

Vengeance1138388d ago

Yes, i'm aware it's 2 studios, but unlike before, just having the name Arkane won't instantly instill confidence in whatever project they may be making. Now it will be shrouded in heavy doubt and uncertainty that they are capable of producing a solid product so they may as well be a brand new studio out to prove themselves.

-Foxtrot388d ago

The issue is this game has hurt Arkane as a whole. Even though like you’ve said we have Arkane Austin and Lyon people will still generalise them as “Arkane”.

I mean we know, but people outside of the gaming knowledge bubble won’t and I bet you any money when Arkane Lyon announce their next game people will refer to Redfall as their last failure even though they didn’t do it

Mr Pumblechook388d ago

Hopefully it's full into development of Redfall 2.

The first Assassin's Creed game had a great concept but was a little underwhelming to play, but Assassin's Creed II took those ideas and turned them into a brilliant sequel. So RF2 could capitalise on the great ideas of the original Redfall and truly become the Last of Us Factions alternative that the Xbox community has been secretly needing.

Concertoine387d ago (Edited 387d ago )

@Mr Pumblechook

You’d be crazy to think that’s what they should do. This game and IP are DOA, no one wants to play a crappy loot shooter in 2023. This is the first Series X exclusive game aside from Flight Sim, and it looks and runs (30 fps) like a game from 10 years ago. Arkane should be making the games that have made them a name. Not trying to make all the unappealing aspects of this game appealing in another multimillion dollar gamble on Redfall 2…

C4rnos387d ago

Also important to note the key creatives involved in Prey, you had a soundtrack composed by Mick Gordon, and writing assisted by the likes of Chris Avellone- and since Prey, the founder of Arkane; Raphael Colantonio had left too. these are all variables that could have a lot to do with how Redfall turned out overall, most games are only good as the *team* of talent behind them and i get the idea Arkane Austin is all at sea with that reality currently.

This news just shows they have to adapt on the fly, game development never really stops and Microsoft certainly won't be slowing things down for them.

FinalFantasyFanatic387d ago (Edited 387d ago )

I guess I like Arkane Lyon best then, I really didn't like Prey and Redfall came out half-baked, not a fan of Arkane Austin.

@mr Pumblechook,
Who would ask for a Redfall 2 after the disaster we just got?

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TreMillz388d ago

Prove their worth? So they released A bad game amongst their excellent portfolio and they have to start from scratch 😂

Vengeance1138388d ago

Excellent portfolio? You mean Prey in 2017 and Redfall? 1 mediocre game with a ton of technical issues and 1 massive disaster with design issues? Yeah they really do need to prove themselves.

TreMillz388d ago

Yea excellent portfolio, dishonored 89, D2 88, Prey 80, D2: Doto 84, deathloop 88, and now redfall with 56...so yea 1 bad game

SullysCigar388d ago

You're only as good as your last piece of work. Ability and reliability aren't constants, they're highly variable.

If a developer makes 10 crap games in a row, but then puts out GOTY, did they just get lucky? No, they grew their ability. If a developer puts out good games, but then a dud, you have to question what went wrong - how did they 'unlearn' their trade?

Look at Rare. One of the best developers back in the day, but key talent left, leaving it Rare in name only. Talent can fluctuate up AND down, especially for a company. That's why we should take each game on it's own merit and avoid too much hype or negativity until we see the finished product.

Christopher388d ago

How about we just stop hyping games in general?

Vengeance1138388d ago

Stop getting excited for upcoming games? May as well just stop gaming altogether. Lets all be robots with no emotion.

TheEnigma313388d ago

nah. How about they stop making trash and expecting to bamboozle the fans.

Christopher388d ago

Being ecited and hyping a game are two different things. I'm excited about plenty of games, but you don't see me calling anything GotY contender or taking about how much it's going to sell or how well it will review.

bunt-custardly388d ago

How about gaming media/publishers stop hyping games in general?

FTFY.

Christopher387d ago

Everyone. Let's not act like it's only the journalists doing it.

FinalFantasyFanatic387d ago

I haven't been able to get hyped for a video game in years, these days, I just excited wait until after a game is released to see if it's worth my time/money.

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thesoftware730388d ago

So a company makes a bunch of significant renowned games and then makes one bad one, and the logic is, "They have to start from scratch"...

Right before Redfall they released a game that got 9-10s.

Vengeance1138388d ago

Falling into the trap like others thinking that this is the same Deathloop and Dishonored team? Its not. Entirely different studio that just happens to share the name of Arkane, a studio that doesn't look to have much talent.

Moegooner388d ago (Edited 388d ago )

There's a difference between a bad game and an incomplete one.

FinalFantasyFanatic387d ago

@Vengeance1138,
Looking at each team's games, yeah, one of those teams is clearly not as talented as the other.

343_Guilty_Spark388d ago

Yeah the same lessons they learned from all their previous hits. How do you jump all the way to they must prove themselves all over when they have had nothing but hits. Redfall is the only miss I can think of.

Vengeance1138388d ago

Nothing but hits when they only made 2 games? Prey and Redfall? Huh?

Asplundh387d ago

He says "Arkane" in his first comment and now he's playing like he meant Arkane Austin after someone pointed out it's two studios.

AmUnRa387d ago

So they not commited to fix (kind off) Redfall first? And then start a new project?
Cause when they only bring the game to 60fps it will have an impact on the rest of the game, they must fix that problem to...Ore have they give it up to fix Redfall?

Christopher387d ago

Very rarely is the full development team used to continue support and fix a post-release title, especially one without any DLC plans.

Your writers, artists, and most designers aren't going to work on fixes, they'll move on to the next game.

FinalFantasyFanatic387d ago

I can't think of many games where the developers have committed themselves to fixing major issues with their games over a long time, it's more common for developers to dump their games after release, even if they only have minor issues. So many games with minor issues that could have gone from good to great with a bit more aftercare.

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closed_account389d ago

Churn 'em out, that's the Gamepass way!

-Foxtrot389d ago

Good

Leave Redfall behind

Take the loss and move on

Christopher387d ago

I mean, I wouldn't mind an update that allowed us to mix and match skill trees for SP. It can be improved to be more enjoyable at least before left in the dust.

VersusDMC387d ago

They can't leave it behind. They sold season passes. And deluxe editions that included season pass.

And since the game is still 70...i doubt they are about to start handing out refunds.

isarai388d ago

There's really nothing worth saving here. Even if you get rid of all bugs the game itself just isn't very good. Overhaul the AI and allow co-op progress and you'll at least have.... something but it just doesn't seem worth the effort.

jznrpg388d ago

They said they would continue to work on Redfall and create content for it like a live service game right before launch but now will they ditch it and basically go back on what they said? That could get ugly.

phoenixwing388d ago

I feel bad for anyone who bought it which is probably very few people considering it's on gamepass. However if I were a dev I'd want to focus on the next project asap instead of polishing something that won't get much better in the end.

jznrpg388d ago

I get that but they made promises and if they don’t deliver 60fps and some more content they probably get some lawsuits if not already.

Christopher387d ago

It's not a live service game. They said they would support it, which typically means patches and ensuring the network works properly.

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Every PlayStation Studios game available now on Windows PC

Windows Central writes: "Many PlayStation Studios games that are ported to PC get dedicated PS5 DualSense support, which allows users to experience haptic feedback and adaptive trigger support without actually having to own a PS5.

According to Hermen Hulst, head of PlayStation Studios, it's still the company's intent to launch the bigger single-player games on PS5 first, before later bringing the games to PC. This might not be the case for multiplayer games however, which are considered okay to launch simultaneously on console and PC."

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ocelot071d 10h ago

My guess is after god of war. Probably last of us 2 that's a almost 4 year old game now and by the time it's released on pc it will be more than 4 years old or close to 5.

Elda1d 4h ago

Every old Playstation game that is now on PC.

shinoff218318h ago

Right. I definitely see what a headlined from a website named windows central was trying to do though. It's cute little wordplay to help out the green box

Flewid63817h ago

Are PlayStation games no longer good or worth playing once they are old?

Elda16h ago

I'm guessing my comment went over your head.

XiNatsuDragnel1d 2h ago

Good at least they can sell hardware

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Former Activision studio Toys for Bob partners with Xbox to publish its first game as an indie

Former Activision studio Toys for Bob partners with Xbox to publish its first game as an indie. This is something of a homecoming, as Microsoft owns Activision.

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Obscure_Observer1d 20h ago

Very very early in development. Still, fantastic news!

Let´s GO!!!

Lightning771d 18h ago

I guess.

How come they didnt either let them go or sell Tango and others to another publisher? Not saying Ubisoft, EA would be any better. (Capcome would of treated them right )

At least it wouldn't be MS of all ppl destroying them.

MS really should let go Tango go like they did TFB here.

darthv721d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

one was under Bethesda (Tango) the other under Activision (TFB). Clearly each one handled the separations of their subordinates differently.

Obscure_Observer1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

"How come they didnt either let them go or sell Tango and others to another publisher? Not saying Ubisoft, EA would be any better. (Capcome would of treated them right )"

Perhaps because Zenimax and ABK handles such matters differently based on their own internal policies as "independent" publishers.

Whoever, chances are it´s simply because MS didn´t wanted Tango or Austin to be acquired by competitors and develop new bangers for them, giving MS a bad rep in a possible future. Which could also be the reason why they ensured an exclusive partnership with TFB and its new game, before anyone else.

Sad and disgusting. But it is what it is.

Lightning771d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

"Whoever, chances are it´s simply because MS didn´t wanted Tango or Austin to be acquired by competitors and develop new bangers for them, giving MS a bad rep in a possible future."

MS has a bad rep now because those studios are no more. I rather them sell the studio continue to make multiplatform releases, while MS continues to focus on whatever they're doing. If they didn't want Tango around they should separated from them or sell them to, like they did TFB.

It's inexcusable, they have options on how to handle studios they don't want anymore with killing jobs. Not just MS but the rest of the industry also.

Sad and disgusting sure how many will get shut down next year or this year even?

I don't trust MS decisions and motivations at this point. You have to admit they make one dumb move after another.

Obscure_Observer1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

"MS has a bad rep now because those studios are no more. I rather them sell the studio continue to make multiplatform releases, while MS continues to focus on whatever they're doing. If they didn't want Tango around they should separated from them or sell them to, like they did TFB."

Imo, MS separated from TFB because they didn´t had a game associated with Xbox yet, unlike Tango.

"I don't trust MS decisions and motivations at this point. You have to admit they make one dumb move after another."

Fair enough. It was indeed an epic dumb move from them to close Tango.

Still, all to be forgotten, like always have. This is not the first time a big publisher shuts down a beloved and/or successful studio out of nowhere and certainly won´t be the last. Do you remember Lionhead? Do you remember Evolution Studios? Yeah... both were beloved studios and yet, those companies kill those studios in q blink of an eye and got away with it.

anast1d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

The studio boss made some money from this transaction. Once the game releases, the studio will get chopped up.

-Foxtrot1d 20h ago

Manages to buy their freedom especially after all the shit Microsoft has been doing with its studios lately

...

Goes right back to them as partners.

Okaaaaaay...

darthv721d 18h ago

Id venture a guess that TFB working directly with MS was a better outcome than working through Activision to get to MS.

VersusDMC1d 16h ago

From the article...

"Toys for Bob spun out as an indie back in February after Microsoft instituted sweeping layoffs that impacted 86 employees, which was more than half of the staff"

I doubt those 86 employees enjoyed the Microsoft experience over Activisions.

Inverno1d 16h ago

MS shuts down studios because of lack of resources and then helps these guys by giving em resources. Also MS is what forced them to buy their freedom in the first place? What kind of logic 😂

Chevalier1d 12h ago

The best thing is that the company that is worth $3 trillion and owns the company instead of Xbox lacks resources. How the hell does a company worth $3 trillion making a measly $70 billion purchase they 'can't' support. Lol

BlindMango18h ago

The reason they would need to "partner with Microsoft" is simply to make a game that's part of a franchise that Microsoft owns. Meaning they're probably going to make a new Spyro game - they're still an independent studio, but are making a game in a franchise that Microsoft owns. It's kind of like Remedy partnering with Rockstar to be able to make the Max Payne remakes.

shinoff218318h ago

It was probably the deal to get released from Ms

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Sciurus_vulgaris1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

Xbox’s gaming division seems to still function as 3 semi-autonomous sub-divisions, Xbox Studios, Bethesda and ABK. The three main sub-divisions can seemingly shut down or build studios and set up partnerships independently. This would explain why Bethesda can recently shutdown studios, while ABK spins off one studio, while building a new one. Plus, Toys for Bob could be spun off by ABK, only to immediately re-partner with Microsoft.

Chevalier1d 12h ago

That's absolutely 💯 BS. Any sane 'autonomous' company would NOT put their games on Gamepass day 1 like COD will lose probably billions.

Also they're all under Xbox game studios so any autonomy is an illusion.

PhillyDonJawn1d ago

No, I'm sure MS can and does step in when they want something done specifically but I'm also sure they let them also work independently

shinoff218318h ago

I highly highly doubt this. Ms controls all. The guys aren't gonna be allowed to just shut something down like that without approval. No way

Elda1d 12h ago

Either a kiddie game or something uninteresting.

Obscure_Observer1d 6h ago

Don´t worry. You won´t be playing it anyway since their next game will possible be a next gen Xbox console game.

Elda1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

Don't worry about my comments.

PhillyDonJawn1d ago

Right probably something like astrobot

romulus231d ago

Nah he said "uninteresting", lots of people are interested in Astro Bot.

Elda22h ago

Never Astro Bot. Astro Bot looks better than any exclusive released on XB this entire generation & believe there hasn't been much.

Asplundh21h ago

Crash 4 was good, so I'm hopeful.

PhillyDonJawn20h ago

Hey you said that about SOT and looks like many ppl on PS is playing it. You also found bugsnax interesting ffs your opinion hold no weight lol.

Elda19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Bugsnax is BS, tried it & quickly deleted it. It's a game that fits right on Gamepass. PS5 owners that are probably playing the boring SOT you could count on one hand. LMAO!!...don't try to come for me.

PhillyDonJawn17h ago

So you admit bugsnax interested you enough to try? 😂 someone gotta call you out on the foolishness.

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What Happens to Your Steam Account When You Die?

The Outerhaven writes: While Steam has come out recently, stating that Steam accounts can't be transferred, we need to think about it since we all will eventually kick the bucket. But if Valve is denying transferring accounts, what can be done? Plenty, actually.

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thorstein2d ago

It goes to my kids because I gave them the passwords.

To Steam: Missio has a song that conveys my feelings about you stealing my purchase after I die. It's called "Middle Fingers"

shinoff21832d ago

Pretty much. My son knows my info.

Abear212d ago

Yeah worrying about digital ownership when you’re on the other side of the grass seems a little strange, but also on brand for these millennial journalists to worry about.

qalpha1d 11h ago

I'm sure Keith will be happy to hear he's a millennial journalist.

Goodguy012d ago

I suppose if I have kids, I'd just give em my account details by retirement age. If I die young then...idk lol.

CrimsonWing692d ago

Yea, I mean just give someone the password to your account. Is that difficult to do or something? Like, I’m legit asking because I don’t know.

anast2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

It's not difficult but It's against the policy. If they find out, they will lock the account permanently.

CrimsonWing692d ago

Ah ok, I had a feeling there was something like that. It seems kind of weird that you can’t just hand your account over to a family member or friend and let them take over the account.

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